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TSA Investigates Pilot Who Exposed Security Flaws

stewart_maximus writes "The TSA is investigating a TSA deputized pilot who posted videos to YouTube pointing out security flaws. Flaws exposed include ground crew clearing security with just a card swipe while pilots have to go through metal detectors, and a 'medieval-looking rescue ax' being available on the flight deck. Three days after posting the video, 6 government officials arrived at his door to question him and confiscated his federal firearm (and his concealed weapon permit)."

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  1. What I don't understand... by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Granted, I haven't seen all the videos this pilot made, but from what I have seen and read so far it sounds like what this pilot was pointing out was things that were already publicly known. Things like airport ground crews having access to restricted areas without themselves having to go through screening, no TSA agents searching them or anything they carry prior to having access to aircraft, etc. Anybody with an ounce of intelligence could have figured out what this pilot documented by just sitting at an airport and watching for a little while, or by getting chummy with airport employees at a nearby bar and asking a few basic questions.

    And I certainly don't think this pilot was the first one to point out these flaws. It just sounds to me like the TSA is trying to make a scapegoat out of him.

    1. Re:What I don't understand... by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I read an article on this about six months ago. It's public knowledge, yes.

      The guy with the controls in his hands and a locked cabin door behind him needs to be searched to see if he's carrying a weapon. Makes sense, right?

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    2. Re:What I don't understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The persecution of this pilot isn't for giving away security secrets. It is for making a popular video on YouTube that exposes the security theater. The purpose of the TSA is to make the public feel like they are protected. Pointing out real security issues breaks the illusion.

    3. Re:What I don't understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You forgot your sarcasm tag. The guy flying the plane doesn't need any weapons to destroy it, he's controlling the biggest weapon, the plane itself.

    4. Re:What I don't understand... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, like Patrick Smith (aka 'Ask the Pilot), a professional pilot and writer who has been complaining, and writing, about these exact things for years.

      Maybe he will get a lump of coal in his stocking tomorrow.

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    5. Re:What I don't understand... by microbox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... trying to make a scapegoat out of him.

      It is how the authoritarian minds works. You are either with us, or against us. Basic intelligence doesn't play a role.

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  2. I shot the messenger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    but I did not catch the terroriiists.

    (c) 2010, the TSA.

  3. more leaks by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Nazi government of US of A has turned completely bat-shit insane. All it does is taking away personal freedoms from people:

    Freedoms to speak (wikileaks), freedoms to think (public schools funded and guided by the dep't of education), freedoms to fair trial (Irwin Schiff, Guantanamo, private Manning...), freedoms to do business without harassment (Patriot Act, IRS, CIA, all the regulations and rules and subsidies and taxes), freedoms to deal in real money (Fed printing, 0% interest setting, destruction of currency).

    The entire thing is rotten to the core, whether you agree with me on every point or not, but I am not interested in any consensus. My consensus is simple: gov't is cancer and it's killing the society through killing the economy and taking away people's freedoms.

    Some justify the US federal gov't in what it does by bringing up the commerce clause, the general welfare clause etc., but since the gov't can justify anything it wants with those clauses right now it's time to ask yourself a question:

    Is there a PURPOSE to the Constitution and what IS the purpose? Isn't the purpose of the Constitution to LIMIT the gov't in what it can do? If the commerce/welfare clauses allow the gov't to do whatever it wants, what is then the real purpose of the Constitution and why not just say: gov't can do whatever the fuck it wants and be done with the pretenses?

    1. Re:more leaks by thijsh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being realistic never meant you should just accept everything that is wrong. Compromising with evil makes you an accessory to evil. And even the impossible is worth fighting for, especially since sometimes taking on this impossible fight makes previously impossible things possible. People who fight an impossible fight like Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela or even Thich Quang Duc are heroes because they refuse to compromise with injustice even in the face of prosecution, imprisonment and death.

    2. Re:more leaks by t2t10 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being realistic never meant you should just accept everything that is wrong. Compromising with evil makes you an accessory to evil.

      All true, but that doesn't apply here. Laws like the US Patriot Act, organizations like the TSA, and wars like Iraq are ill-conceived and ineffective; they are not part of an evil master plan to subjugate Americans or take over the world. And if you treat them like that, you can't effectively work against them.

      Educate yourself and others about politics and history, participate in the political process, donate, volunteer, write, expose, leak, whatever: that's the way things get better in a democracy. Dividing the world into "good" and "evil" is empty demagoguery.

    3. Re:more leaks by Cwix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, fuck dignity, it's in the name of security. If you can't stand a single ball grab then you don't deserve to ride in a plane.

      Every time I see someone say that I remember someone who is beloved by a large number of republicans. John Wayne. Would he let some smelly fat man give his coin purse a jingle?

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    4. Re:more leaks by jbengt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sorry to break it to you, but the Constitution doesn't give anyone rights, on US soil or not. It enumerates certain rights, it lists certain limitations and powers of the government, but, as the Declaration of Independence states, people are ". . . endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government . . . "
      If you still don't believe it, see Amendment 9 : "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

  4. Re:Take Note by nettdata · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has nothing to do with terrorists winning, and everything to do with people who are friends and associates of those that are in power, taking advantage of a fictitious threat scenario, and cashing in on it. It's greed, plain and simple.

    Idiots are getting more and more power granted to them, and making more and more cash in the process, all for dealing with this "threat" that they've manufactured. They will do anything and everything they can to perpetuate it, as long as they retain and grow that power base and make more and more money.

    Security Theatre relies on keeping the public ignorant of what the real threats are, and of the proper ways to deal with them.

    And the morons in charge are making laws to protect themselves and keep it all going.

    The real terrorists are running the show.

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  5. Question Authority... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet another example of that old saying:

    Question authority and Authority will question you!

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  6. The Emperor has no clothes on by jenningsthecat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow. Airport 'security' is a joke, and almost everyone knows it; a Google search for "security theater" turns up over a half-million results. Yet this guy tells us something that we're all aware of already, and gets put throught the mill because of it. It's bad enough when people get crucified for revealing some hidden truth, but when it happens to someone who is simply stating the obvious, that's just sad.

    Just what ARE we paying these clowns for anyway? They should go back to allowing knitting needles on planes; pissed off Grandmas would probably deal with terrorists a whole lot more effectively than these clueless idiots.

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  7. Re:Doh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except the pilot is not working for the TSA, he is working for an airline.

    And let's put it in another perspective: TSA is not a company (correct me if I am wrong), it is public: which means he is informing the owners of the company (the public)
    about a problem with the management (the TSA policy makers).

  8. Solved with dogs by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How much of this security theater can be solved with a bomb-sniffing dog? Instead of checking each new thing for a bomb and still not being able to find them, a dog can just smell the explosive wherever it happens to be hidden. But no, we don't want to do that, that's too obvious, cheap, and easy. We'd much rather have a 1000x more expensive, incomplete and cumbersome solution.

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    1. Re:Solved with dogs by thijsh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Real reason: Dog's are unpatentable.

      So you hit the nail on the head, exactly *because* these measures are 1000x more expensive is why they are being pushed... The smell of fear smells like profit to some.

  9. Re:Take Note by Elbereth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know. bin Laden knows what he's doing, and his greatest weapon is fear. Fear drives people to act irrationally. What he wants is for the United States to become so fascist that the people outright rebel against it, causing civil war and the destruction of the USA. Were I in his place, I wouldn't be so optimistic. I doubt that people will engage in outright rebellion until it gets so bad, they can't even watch their television in peace. Also, even *if* the USA (as we know it) is destroyed, something very similar will probably take its place. It's not like we're suddenly going to become a feminist, socialist technocracy or an Islamic republic. We'll probably just rewrite the Constitution slightly and abolish a few of the worst aspects of today's government, then go on doing whatever it is that we were doing previously. Meet the new boss... same as the old boss.

    Anyways, even if bin Laden is a bogeyman and our own government was behind 9/11 (or they consciously hijacked the tragedy for their own ends), it doesn't really change anything. The end result is the same. Fear, pseudo-change, and a new boss. Note that I'm not anti-Obama. I like Obama as much as the next guy who's apathetic about politicians and their promises. I just don't think that anyone who runs for political office can/will have much ability/desire to change the status quo, despite promises made. I meant "pseudo-change" in more of a grand sense, like how the French keep rewriting their Constitution and instituting new Republics. It's just the same old crap, under a different name.

  10. Re:So i love the sarcastic comments by panda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm going to do the same thing about it that we do about the 40,000 odd traffic fatalities every year: Nearly nothing.

    We don't invade privacy and remove freedoms because so many people die in traffic accidents. Why should we because of some vague "terrorist" threat? Honestly, airport security never has and never will stop a determined terrorist. We need to simply have an adult conversation with the American people and perhaps increase the educational investment in mathematics education. Perhaps, if they understood statistics a bit better, then they wouldn't run around like idiots demanding that something be DONE about what amounts to a non-threat.

    Yeah, I know....

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  11. Not to make them feel protected at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The purpose of the theater is to make the public fearful, not protected. Our government needs a fearful public to enable the erosion of public rights. We gave up a bunch of rights with the Patriot Act that we would never have tolerated the loss of without the "it's for your protection" lie. TSA is part of the cover for this lie and others.

    1. Re:Not to make them feel protected at all by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It does both. It gives those that didn't consider it a problem the idea that there is one (else, why would they search everyone like crazy) while at the same time calming those that are already properly hysteric (and make them feel protected by their wonderful government).

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    2. Re:Not to make them feel protected at all by joebagodonuts · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a CYA move "Look! We are doing everything we can to protect American lives." As far as any negative consequences? Well, as an elected official I would rather cover my ass from criticism than actually do the hard things. Hard things take time and I'm forced to focus most of my time on getting re-elected these days.

      Security Theater is a good compromise. /sarcasm

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  12. Re:Pretty sure... by JustOK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the TSA wasn't aware of this flaw prior to this, we are even in more danger.

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  13. Re:Take Note by corbettw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If we do get to the point where we rewrite the Constitution, we need to put some teeth in that sucker. For instance, establish a points-based system for unconstitutional laws. If a law is overturned as being unconstitutional, every member of congress (both the House and the Senate) gets one "point". Get to 10 points, and you are automatically barred from reelection or holding any kind of elective office, ever again. Get to 15 points and you're kicked out of office before the expiration of your current term. As it is now, Congress can pass all the fucked up laws they want with no danger of being called to account for it.

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  14. Re:Classic TSA by blind+monkey+3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The TSA is clearly a firm believer in security through stupidity.
    Fixed.

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  15. Re:Pretty sure... by jimrthy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The TSA already knows all about this. Harassing this guy is just more proof that the TSA has absolutely nothing to do with keeping people safe.

  16. Re:Makes no difference by jimrthy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, I think the point is to condition us to get used to intrusive "security" measures. Then turn it up another notch and take away a little more freedom.

    Rinse and repeat.