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Reverse Engineering Doctor Who Into Color

Lanxon writes "In 1967, the BBC set about junking its Doctor Who archive: a moment sci-fi fans wish they could travel back in time to prevent. There are 108 vintage episodes missing, but since 1978 a number have been rediscovered as 16mm black-and-white films. The BBC shot many of these series in color, but made monochrome copies for countries such as Australia, where many TV companies were still broadcasting in greyscale. The reels had sat in archives since. Now, the Doctor Who Restoration Team, an independent group contracted by the BBC, is using a new technique to regenerate The Doctor in color."

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  1. color by slash.dt · · Score: 5, Funny
    The BBC shot many of these series in color

    Since this is the BBC, they shot *none* of them in color but many of them in *colour*....

    1. Re:color by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm from North America. Canada to be precise. And I would like you yanks to learn to spell as well. =)

    2. Re:color by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, there are more English speakers in the USA than in England... So? We Win!

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    3. Re:color by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 2

      Have you been to India recently? Pretty much everybody there speaks English - it's one of their two national languages (along with Hindi) and it's taught in schools. As they have so many local languages, English is often used between two Indians if one of them doesn't speak Hindi.

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    4. Re:color by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The point being that 'the BBC' didn't destroy these tapes, at most, ONE or TWO idiots who worked for the BBC destroyed these tapes - and you can bet your bottom dollar that they were managers, arrogant tossers with an overblown sense of their own importance, who destroyed forever all the hard work of scores of people, which can never be replicated.

      Thanks for that, BBC!

      I notice we are never given the NAMES of the idiots behind these decisions. Somebody must know who they are.

    5. Re:color by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      I believe the term you are searching for is "accent", not "dialect". Especially in the US. Outside of a few slang words there is no difference between the language spoken in Boston, Miami, or Austin. The same goes for most other English speaking countries. You have different pronunciation, but the words and grammar are the same.

    6. Re:color by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Informative

      And given that the rest of you guys can't settle on a particular dialect, I think it's a bit arrogant to suggest that our version isn't the dominant dialect

      We can't settle on a particular dialect here, either. I can barely understand someone from the NE seaboard; they seem incapable of pronouncing the letter R unless it starts a word. "Da dyam dwag is unda da cah!"

      Folks in the south have too many Rs. "Warsh thayut thar winder!"

      Then there's jive, ebonics, tex-mex, board-room, 133t5p33k, txt, and those are ones I can think of off the top of my head.

    7. Re:color by xaxa · · Score: 2

      "System Essentially Contrary to the American Method"

    8. Re:color by mikael · · Score: 2

      There is an article on the history of video recording in the production industry. The tapes (Ampex VRX-1000) weren't destroyed as in thrown out, crushed or incinerated. They were re-used to record new programming until the iron oxide was worn out. Given the relative costs of storage and purchase of each cassette, limited budgets, tight deadlines, the fact that copies were made for distribution, no producer or accountant would have given a second thought to overwriting the tapes for new programming. The same happens with server disk space for rendering these days. Once you've got the final reel out to the client, all that space is free for the next project. Someone with decades of experience might have seen the importance of saving all those clips for re-use, or using scraps for experimenting with, but then there would not have been the space to store them, or even the funding for archival.

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  2. And now for the nerdery. by thechao · · Score: 5, Informative

    So the article was devoid of anything of particular interest other than some jargon. The jargon, on the other hand, led to fascinating little technique about reconstructing the color of the grayscale image from "chroma dots". The actual method was discovered by a BBC engineer, and you can read more about it here: colour-recovery.wikispaces.com.

    1. Re:And now for the nerdery. by e9th · · Score: 5, Informative

      Complementing TFA is the restoration team's FAQ, which covers some of the non-technical details involved.

    2. Re:And now for the nerdery. by KingAlanI · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://www.iwillvoice.com/faqpage.html#q3.6
      Question 3.6 from that FAQ seems to be that which specifically refers to this issue.

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    3. Re:And now for the nerdery. by dugeen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What you won't find in the FAQ is a list of all the changes the 'Restoration' Team have made to the stories - not only have they painted out boom shadows, camera reflections etc, but they've also messed up these changes on numerous occasions, resulting in missing sound effects, actors being left out of credits, credit backgrounds being the wrong colour, and everyone in Black Orchid looking like they're wearing bright red lipstick. But you can find a list here: http://tinypaste.com/c5441e

    4. Re:And now for the nerdery. by jimicus · · Score: 2

      As long as they haven't made the oh-so-painful mistake of interspersing shots of a cheap, flimsy set which looks like something straight out of the 1960's with modern FX shots - they did that with the Red Dwarf remasters (though that was 1980's set) and my God, it was appalling.

    5. Re:And now for the nerdery. by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      There is a good argument to be made that they SHOULD FIX NOTHING.

      Just cleanup the black & white prints they have and stop there.

      People who are even interested in some 40 year old TV show will likely suffer the black & white versions.

      "Fixing" works primarily has the effect of annoying those that care about the work the most.

      Colorizing is a generally bad idea because of this.

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  3. Rev the wrong thing by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can they reverse engineer the scripts instead? Color or black and white, those old episodes are damn unwatchable. We'd be better off giving Wikipedia descriptions of the episodes to the writing staff of Golden Girls. Those old droning 5-part episodes would be turned into 22.5 minutes of tightly scripted comedy starring Bea Arthur as the Doctor. And any of the other old hags as K-9.

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    1. Re:Rev the wrong thing by tuffy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Color or black and white, those old episodes are damn unwatchable.

      108 of them are, at least.

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    2. Re:Rev the wrong thing by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3

      To be honest, I have not been able to really get into old Doctor Who at all. I've tried watching City of Death (I think that was it) multiple times, as I heard it was one of the better Fourth Doctor adventures, but when I watch it, the acting is too poor to really be able to enjoy it. I really want to experience the history of the series, as I love the revival to death. I guess it's just not for me. :/

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    3. Re:Rev the wrong thing by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Informative

      You might consult the Doctor who ratings guide. Look under "Televised Adventures".
      Many people like Pyramids of Mars, and the Talons of Weng Chiang, though the latter isn't particularly culturally sensitive. Genesis of the Daleks is another keeper.

      Personally, I started with The Power of Kroll.

    4. Re:Rev the wrong thing by Sulphur · · Score: 4, Funny

      When they started rerunning the old episodes in Australia a few years back I really enjoyed them. The acting wasn't real good, the fight scenes (fist fights etc) were so bad they were funny, and the strings holding up the dalek's spaceship were visible and it rocked side to side, but I still really enjoyed them.

      They had not mastered String Theory at the time.

    5. Re:Rev the wrong thing by heironymous · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Many people like Pyramids of Mars, and the Talons of Weng Chiang, though the latter isn't particularly culturally sensitive.

      I agree, but there's a wonderful moment when Tom Baker exclaims something like, "Wait a minute, you're Chinese," as if that visually obvious fact had eluded him up to that point. Made quite an impression on my young mind, that an alien -- even a super intelligent one -- would be less capable of seeing our trivial differences. To be truly unprejudiced, we must see through better eyes.

    6. Re:Rev the wrong thing by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      I've been rewatching the original Star Treks, and their quality is all over the board. Some episodes have great writing from great writers (the episode I watched last night was written by Theodore Sturgeon), great directing, and great acting, but others are painfully bad.

      TNG and Voyager had some episodes that were so scientifically wrong they were painful to watch (like when Paris hits warp ten and evolves... whoever wrote that episode knew absolutely nothing about evolution, and I think there's an equally stupid TNG episode that misunderstands evolution as well, pulling the same stupid stunt.

    7. Re:Rev the wrong thing by O-Deka-K · · Score: 2

      So you're saying that it's better not to see color?

  4. There's Good News and Bad News... by Lev13than · · Score: 4, Funny

    The good news is that they've figured out how to restore colour to the B&W negatives. The bad news is that it requires Kodachrome processing...

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    1. Re:There's Good News and Bad News... by Lev13than · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, the process by which they're recovering the colour data is very interesting:
      http://www.insell.co.uk/colourisation/Recovery_of_Colour_Information_0-2.htm

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    2. Re:There's Good News and Bad News... by Phoobarnvaz · · Score: 2

      The good news is that they've figured out how to restore colour to the B&W negatives. The bad news is that it requires Kodachrome processing...

      No problem there at all. Just use the Tardis and go back to the heyday of Kodachrome processing. For this...it really helps to use a Time Lords trick of thinking inside the box.

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    3. Re:There's Good News and Bad News... by heironymous · · Score: 2

      That's silly, if you're going to go to that trouble, you may as well go back to 1967 and stop the films from being destroyed. Or better yet, take them out of the bin and bring them back to the 21st century.

      Sorry, can't. Since they were actually destroyed, messing up the timeline is a no-no.

      Oh, but wait! We could copy them and put the originals back. Argh, can't do that either. Curses, RIAA.

    4. Re:There's Good News and Bad News... by NoMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, but what if someone convinced the BBC to knock off 6 more copies, then sealed them up in a wall so they could be picked up later and sold to collectors?

      Yeah, sure, they'd have "This is a fake" scrawled all over them, but since a copy by the original producer can't really be a fake...

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  5. Re:technique by camperslo · · Score: 5, Informative

    It almost is reverse engineering. The chroma subcarrier in a video signal has a center frequency picked to allow the sidebands to fall between those of the main lumanance (black and white) video. The spectrum of those extends out from the main visual carrier frequency (or up from D.C. for the baseband signal) at multiple of the horizontal scan rate. The goal was to add color broadcast information to an existing greyscale system while introducing a minimal amount of interference. Here people are figuring out what is going on from the visual interference.

    The added signal amplitude represents the amount of color added/subtracted from the greyscale white, and the phase represents the hue. The phase of the signal is compared with a short burst (a minimum of eight cycles) sent just after the horizontal sync pulse prior to the start of video on each scan line. PAL, as used by the BBC, is very similar to NTSC, except the scan rates differ, the phase of the reference signal is inverted on every other line to help cancel out the effect of small phase errors on tint.

    Basically, those trying to recover color from the back and white films of on-air video have to use a comb filter to pick off the frequency (precisely related to the inverse of the spacing) of the resulting dots that are there from the color signal. The position of the dots from left to right carries the phase information. Considering that the dot pattern is probably quite weak, the resulting color would be noisy. Depending on the filtering used, the bandwidth (detail) may also suffer. But it is still a good starting point to know what the colors were.

    The dots aren't on/off like pixels. It's actually a sinusoidal intensity variation. I recall some older Zenith B&W sets had particularly good detail (and maybe some video peaking - enhancement) making it easy to see which programs were broadcast in color, and what parts of the picture were deeply saturated. In addition to a notch in the video response at 4.5 MHz to filter out patterns from the sound, some sets rolled-off or notched centered at 3.58 MHz (3.579545 actually) video response to reduce the interference. Better later sets (and color generally) used "comb" filters to separate the interleaved spectral components without those loss of detail seen with more primitive methods. Failure to filter color signals could cause wild colors/patterns on things like striped neck-ties when a shot zoomed in/out.

    It's pleasing to see that there are still a few around that understand the old analog technology well enough to realize there were visual color cues remaining. Even those that understand the electronics well often don't associate a particular visual characteristic with the responsible signal attributes.

    Although partial signal recovery is easy to envision with analog electronics, something along the lines of a GIMP/Photoshop plugin could work as well. Some might think of it as being similar to watermark detection.

  6. Why couldn't they have lost the right ones? by linguizic · · Score: 2

    Like everything from Colin Baker. Seriously, aside from Peri's chest, there was nothing of interest in those episodes.

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    1. Re:Why couldn't they have lost the right ones? by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 2

      What about Peri's ass?

    2. Re:Why couldn't they have lost the right ones? by Spacelem · · Score: 3, Informative

      I did enjoy some of the Colin Baker episodes. Seriously, the guy did an amazing job considering the crap they were putting it through, and it's the producer John Nathan-Turner who would have been better lost, as he seemed determined to make the series die a slow death. Being forced to retake scenes requiring strong emotions multiple times just because "that prop in the background still isn't quite right" must have been soul destroying for the actors.

      The good news is that Colin Baker is still doing Doctor Who via the Big Finish Productions, where he is given good scripts and is well liked among fans. Nicola Bryant seems to have settled into the role well too, and no longer sounds like she's about to burst into tears after every sentence.

    3. Re:Why couldn't they have lost the right ones? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

      I love the sixth doctor in the Big Finish episodes. BF has really allowed him to dig into the dark side of the character and do some complex stories that JNT would of never allowed. Colin Baker showed up at a really bad time at the franchise when they made some really bad decisions about the direction of the show (i.e... giving the Doctor too many unlikeable properties at once, too much domestic fighting in the Tardis, a horrible costume idea, etc..)

  7. Re:colour by Samurai+Tony · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the clue is in the name, you are speaking English not American.

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  8. Much more technical information by deblau · · Score: 2

    On the restoration processes used in the past can be found on the RT's website, if you dig around a bit: http://restoration-team.co.uk/

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  9. Facts by BigBadBus · · Score: 4, Informative
    The article is a bit dubious on facts. While it is true that the videotapes of the series were being wiped in the 1960s, the film telerecordings/kinescopes were not being junked until 1972, and went on for about 6 years. Also, Steve Roberts is not 35! I knew him for a while; I'm currently 39 and he is at least a few years older than me!

    The politics behind the Chroma Dot story is intriguing and in some places unpleasant. The instigator of the team was James Insell, and a method was created to perform the chroma dot extraction by a man named Richard Russell. Insell became a bit proprietorial over it all, and he and Russell parted ways, and now Russell it doing it alone. The original Colour extraction blog is here but they don't seem to have made any huge advances since Russell left. There is some more info, plus a link to Russell's own work (including software download) on my own Dr.Who webpage here

  10. Re:technique by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My mom told me once she was watching a black and white TV with her family, and someone walked on the screen with green hair. Everyone watching the TV instantly started laughing because the guy had green hair. I don't entirely understand your post, but it does verify that my mom was not crazy, and average people watching in those days could distinguish even if they didn't know what was going on.

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  11. Re:dumb question but why doesn't it just work? by kanto · · Score: 2

    If the colour subcarrier is there then why doesn't it just show in colour when displayed on a colour TV?

    I think the point is that the color subcarrier isn't there; all you have are the errors from the color subcarrier bleeding into the luminance part and now those errors are being used to extrapolate and restore color to the film.

  12. more proof by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

    This along with the MGM fire that destroyed the original Tom and Jerry prints, is more proof of how piracy can help us. If this stuff had been pirated all over the net like it would be today, it wouldn't have been lost in the first place. Hopefully they would have used a loss less format though... :-)

    1. Re:more proof by Grumbleduke · · Score: 2

      It goes even deeper than that - from what I recall the episodes were destroyed (rather than lost) by the BBC as the TV production unions were charging huge royalties simply for storing the episodes, during the "home taping is killing the television industry" craze of the 70s. It is excessive copyrights "protection" that caused the destruction in the first place - and being so popular, DW is one of the few shows from that time that survived in any form (mainly thanks to piracy and actual theft as all official copies were ordered to be destroyed). Fortunately it seems that none of the new DW episodes will ever be lost (or possibly unfortunately in the case of Midnight).

  13. Re:The old doctors by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 2

    Ah, memories of watching Tom Baker followed by an episode of 'The Tripods' then to be lulled to sleep by 'The Star Hustler'.... On Fridays and Saturdays I could stay up WAY past 9:00...

    I seem to remember that episodes starring his immediate predecessor weren't bad either.

    Before that it was black and white. I think I only ever saw Dr #1 discover the daleks, and Dr #2 probably wasn't bad, but he did look like one of the Three Stooges...

    I also remember not liking to watch Doctor Who anymore starting with the Fifth Doctor there may have been more doctors? I stopped caring.

    Then as an adult, starting with Christopher E. , I've been a fan again. I've really enjoyed every one of the new Doctors since then.

    It's been long enough since watching the old Tom Baker episodes that I don't remember the plots anymore, but having gone back and watched a few on Netflix, I don't see myself watching any more of them.

    The special effects are very dated of course. I mean, green slime covered green lightbulbs wrapped in bubble wrap skin are obviously just what I described. But that's not the real reason. I just don't think the old episodes have much to offer someone who can/has viewed the new ones. The best of the old is part of the new character and plotwise, with HOUR long episodes to flesh things out more deeply.

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  14. Re:technique by rufty_tufty · · Score: 2

    The colour distortions NTSC and PAL suffer from on high frequency luminance changes are interesting and a fascinating insight into the world before digital. Every geek should IMO understand this because it's interesting and cool and easy to understand. I'll try and simplify the explanation...

    The artefact in question results from a colour (analogue) TV trying to display a picture where the luminance (brightness to you and I) changes rapidly, i.e. with a high frequency. Viewers of old will be used to people with stripy shirts suddenly and stragely developing psychedelic colour patterns. Why do you get them? That's the interesting part:

    When NTSC was devised they had to design a system that was backwards compatible i.e. used the same bandwidth to transmit a colour signal. Worse than that they had to have the signal such that the colour signal would be interpreted by a B&W receiver as a B&W image correctly.
    So what they did was look at the signal and realise that although the bandwidth allocated allowed for rapid luminance changes, no set at the time (in domestic usage anyway) was capable of displaying them. Therefore they could transmit a high frequency signal on top of the luminance signal that existing sets would filter out, they would act like a low pass filter, and average it out back to the original signal. They could therefore superimpose a high frequency signal on top of the old luminance only signal. Now, how to carry information with this signal?
    Well you kept the frequency of this superimposition constant but you could vary both its amplitude and its phase* relative to a reference signal. This combined with some maths behind luminance and chrominance processing (wikipedia is your friend here) meant that you had good old luminance information for old sets, and two colour components that could be extracted by a compliant set, but would be ignored by older sets.
    Now where the artefact in question comes from should now be obvious, a high frequency luminance change looks indistinguishable from no intensity change with a certain colour information. The system was designed to minimise these, but they had to happen at least slightly. As TV sets and studio cameras have improved over the years there have become more of these artefacts as we have got better at displaying fine detail, so what wasn't a problem now shows the limits of the system.

    If you want information about how the colour reference signal was sent or to explain more please do ask, PAL and NTSC are one of my favourite geeky subjects. It's engineering from an almost forgotten era and a sign of just how clever some engineers are/were.

    *The difference between phase modulation and frequency modulation are somewhat academic for the purposes of this discussion, let's just say that phase modulation makes more sense because we have a reference waveform to compare it to.

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  15. Re:dumb question but why doesn't it just work? by hattig · · Score: 2

    Because the film is distorted, and includes both interlaced frames in each image. So you scan it at a high resolution first (2k lines, for example).

    So they need to de-distort. And as you will remember from your old CRT monitors and TVs, the image distorts according to the image displayed, so each frame needs to be de-distorted individually.

    Then de-interlace. Then extract the information required. Then re-construct.

  16. It was Red Dwarf by wiredog · · Score: 2

    It was supposed to be appalling.