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Sony Closing 18M CD/Month Plant

coondoggie writes "Sony this week said it was shuttering one of its largest CD manufacturing plants — citing the impact of digital downloads and other economic issues. The plant, which has been in operation for some 50 years, first producing vinyl records, will close on March 31 and about 300 people will lose their jobs. The 500,000-square-foot warehouse began producing vinyl LPs in 1960 and moved to CD manufacturing in 1988. At its capacity, the plant was making 18 million CDs per month, according to its website."

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  1. The eco-friendliness of downloads. by couchslug · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's a stunning amount of plastic waste and manufacturing process waste no longer being generated.

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  2. obligatory by Pojut · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of rootkits suddenly cried out in terror."

  3. Availability has decreased drastically by olsmeister · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was in Walmart a month ago looking for two CD's that I wanted to purchase. Neither was particularly obscure, and both were recent (released within the last year). They had neither, and actually I couldn't believe how small their selection was compared to what it used to be. I understand the convenience of downloading via Walmart or Amazon, but what I can't understand is why people wouldn't actually want to have a bit-perfect digital copy on physical medium as a back up.

    1. Re:Availability has decreased drastically by Pojut · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I don't understand is why people are surprised when shelf-space in a retail store is no longer given to a product that doesn't sell well. I know it seems weird ordering a physical CD online, but at this point, that's the best place to go from both an availability and price standpoint...depending on shipping, of course.

    2. Re:Availability has decreased drastically by memojuez · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I too prefer to order CDs and rip my own MP3

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    3. Re:Availability has decreased drastically by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2

      That makes me wonder about a lot of things. I always see furniture at Wal Mart, but I've never seen anyone purchase it. Does that sell nearly as well - or is there just enough markup to make the profits reasonable when it does?

    4. Re:Availability has decreased drastically by Moryath · · Score: 2

      Where do you think all the broken crap furniture on the side of highways comes from, if not yokels buying it at wally-mart and poorly strapping it to the back of their truck before driving off?

    5. Re:Availability has decreased drastically by spxero · · Score: 2

      I've seen it purchased, but I live in a college town. Twice a year Mommy and Daddy come in to decorate junior's dorm room on the cheap, and the rest of the year it sits.

    6. Re:Availability has decreased drastically by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's why I rip my CDs and store them in other people's houses. Amazon has a great system for this - you put your CD up and someone gives you $1.99 and you ship it to them and they store it for you.

      Then someday, maybe years down the road, if you ever need that CD back (though it hasn't happened yet) you can just send someone on amazon $1.99 and they'll send you your CD back (or one just like it).

      That's a fair storage fee for several years of maintaining your hard copy backup.

      To double the safety of this backup system, you can also make a bit-perfect backup copy on a 15 cent blank CD. That way you have on-site and off-site backup, and you never pay for the storage fee unless you need it back - more like a recovery fee.

      I store my hardcopies in the cloud! :P

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    7. Re:Availability has decreased drastically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stop beating around the bush and just come out and say you pirate your music. Continuing to use your license after you've sold it to someone else is no different than not getting a license in the first place.

    8. Re:Availability has decreased drastically by daithesong · · Score: 2

      that's a neat system, though why someone would pay you to store something that they have no rights to play (you apparently retained those), is unclear to me. oh, are you not clear that in this deal, one of you is a pirate??

    9. Re:Availability has decreased drastically by bws111 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The default position on a copyrighted work is that you do not have permission to make copies. Fair use may give you license to make copies for your own use (backup, play on different devices, etc). If you sell the original copy, you no longer have any fair use rights, thus no license at all (since, as you pointed out, you get no other license).

  4. Re:The eco-friendliness of downloads. by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't be fooled. The summary says nothing of the sort.

    It says it's "Shuttering" the plant - a clever mind game to make you think they mean "Shutting Down" but they are actually just installing new blinds for the windows. It says that on March 31 it will "Close" - they probably just mean locking up for the night. On April 1 they might "ReOpen". 300 people will lose their jobs? They didn't say who, when, or where, it was only implied at the plant, but its not really specific enough to be sure. They could mean just 300 people in general will lose their job. A very low-ball estimate, if you ask me.

  5. Silly title by Haedrian · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Sony Closing Plant 18M/CD/Month Plant"

    Aside from two Plants...

    18 Million Per Cd Per Month?

  6. Or is it ... by PPH · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... because nobody trusts Sony CDs?

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    1. Re:Or is it ... by PPH · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Reputation is difficult to build but easy to destroy. I hope that others think long and hard before trying a stunt like this.

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  7. Bigger news by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    300 people are responsible for making 18 million CDs/month. I saw another story about a sleeping bag factory cranking out 20 million bags a year with 500 empoloyees for the whole company. I read somewhere that American manufacturing capacity is the highest it's ever been. What are we going to do with all these people. I keep hearing 'Well, the world needs ditch diggers too'. No, no it doesn not... I guess we can let them starve to death in the streets.

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    1. Re:Bigger news by vlm · · Score: 2

      300 people are responsible for making 18 million CDs/month. I saw another story about a sleeping bag factory cranking out 20 million bags a year with 500 empoloyees for the whole company.

      Its entertaining to try and figure out how I'd do it... Thats a CD every 1/10 second 24 hours/day. I'm assuming this place is a stamp plant. None the less, going burners, I'd get 100 cd burners per person and give a person a 100 cdr blank tower stack and tell them to fill the burners. You need about twenty lines to keep up. That gives you about 5 minutes to burn, verify, and load. To staff a single 24/7 position for very long term in the military we always assumed about 6 people. So thats about 120 personnel. Add another 120 for general warehouse tasks, stacking, wrapping, unwrapping, boxing... leaves about 60 for overhead, repair work, etc.

      I do believe I could do it with CD-r. Harder if they print and stuff jewel boxes.

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    2. Re:Bigger news by nibbles2004 · · Score: 2

      All relates to the future economic world is gonna be like no one expected, China , India are really gonna suffer in terms of development, you need less and less people to do more and more stuff, the days of production lines with 10 of 1000's are coming to an end. There will not be the numbers of employment in manufacturing need, not just for the US, Europe but for the 800 million strong workforces of China and India, interesting times ahead.

    3. Re:Bigger news by GSPride · · Score: 2

      I can't speak directly to their machines, but I worked in a similar CD/DVD plant nearby to the one that closed, and our injection molding machines took a bit over 4 seconds per disc for CD's (a bit longer for DVD's).

      It's interesting that you bring up CD-R's as an alternative to replicated disc's. The company I used to work for had started to do that for smaller runs (under 300 discs). Anything more then 500 discs or so, and it becomes uneconomical. You have to realize that it's not just the time it takes, but the cost per unit. An injection molded CD takes maybe few cents worth of plastic and aluminum. What's the cheapest you can get a CD-R for, even in bulk? I'm guessing more then $.05. Add to that the fact that the error rate for burning CD-R's is much higher, and it's just not worth it.

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    4. Re:Bigger news by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2

      Wasn't life supposed to get better? Our parents fondly hoped we wouldn't have to work as hard. But somehow, all these massive increases in productivity haven't enabled us to cut the work week back. There is a back door way of cutting the work week. Increase unemployment.

      Affluence seems to be controlling overpopulation quite well. Which is exactly the opposite of expectations. How is it that kids have become such huge liabilities? All this wealth, but we don't want to afford children.

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  8. not that surprising by grapeape · · Score: 2

    I had the aversion to non-physical media for quite a while..but like most I have found digital to be acceptable in quality (for me music is mostly for background noise and even with headphones a higher bit-rate sounds "good enough" for me). With a little redundancy in the home network the "collection" is assured to last. The biggest hurdle for me was will an MP3 be playable 20 years from now...but after thinking about it, the likelihood of being able to play a digital based format is probably much higher than being able to play a physical one, how many 8-track, turntable or cassette players do you see these days? I'm more willing to bet on the longevity of the digital copies. As for album artwork and liner notes...there really hasn't been much effort put in to those in years so the labels have managed to reduce the desire for those on their own. I still buy the occasional CD but the first thing I do is rip them and then put the original on a shelf to collect dust.

  9. Re:expensive CDs by cptdondo · · Score: 2

    That's the RIAA estimate....

  10. where do you think computers come from? by hildi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a CD manufacturing plant in a country with an actual working EPA is far, far better for the environment than the toxic waste dump that we are creating in China right now,where environmental activists get thrown in prison as 'enemies of the state'. . Thats what we do to make all of these iphones, ipads, iwhatever, which seem to get thrown out every 2 years for the 'new generation'. Close your eyes, stick your head in the sand, pretend that magic fairys give you printed circuit boards. also, where do you think the energy comes from to power the servers for downloads? it ain't some wind farm. i don't see any "renewable offset purchasing" logo on the apple istore. that 'clean tech' is powered by dirty, dirty coal dug out from the innards of a mountain and burned in a giant plant that pours smoke into the air

    1. Re:where do you think computers come from? by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damnit, don't tell me that now even plants are bad for the environment?! We just can't win!

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    2. Re:where do you think computers come from? by Pharmboy · · Score: 2

      "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." -- Ronald Reagan, 1981

      We've know about this for decades. ;)

      (and apologies for this accurate but out of context quote. I liked Reagan.)

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    3. Re:where do you think computers come from? by paiute · · Score: 3, Funny

      (I liked Reagan.)

      I liked my greatgrandfather, too, but it didn't mean I would want him drooling on a desk in the Oval Office.

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  11. Re:The eco-friendliness of downloads. by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's a staggering amount for a single factory - enough to supply AOL for about three days!

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  12. Crappy article. by msauve · · Score: 4, Informative

    The plant which is closing is in Pitman, NJ. The article never bothered to mention which plant. Whatever happened to the basics of reporting - who/what/where/why/when?

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  13. It's in South Jersey. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hey Slashdot, why do you let these schills come here to make money from you?

    Submitted by... Coondoggie. The blog this links to is run by Michael Cooney. Hmmmm.

    Well Mr. Cooney, just as the comments on your ad-revenue blog say, you have failed to mention the location of the plant. Then instead of providing us with the link to your "source", you link us to your site to generate hits.

    You sir, are a hack.

    Here's the actual news story:
    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/business/homepage/20110112_Sony_will_close_South_Jersey_CD_plant.html

    1. Re:It's in South Jersey. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In fact, every single one of Coondoggie's Slashdot submissions are links to Michael Cooney's Network World blog.

  14. Re:The eco-friendliness of downloads. by Phreakiture · · Score: 4, Insightful

    required to play these "digital" downloads

    I'm not sure this is the most effective use of condescending quote marks. Usually when you use those, it is to imply that the thing in quotes is false, not that the thing in quotes is true elsewhere also.

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  15. Lossless Compression? by ScientiaPotentiaEst · · Score: 3

    Is it possible to buy music online without lossy compression? On the basis of my admittedly limited search, on-line music all seems to be compressed using lossy algorithms. CDs (jazz, classical, fine recordings, etc.) provide such uncompressed/lossless source.

    I'd like to have archival quality for the source music. Also, when playing discretely instrumented classical music on a good hi-fi, compression artifacts are sometimes noticeable.

  16. Lossless DRM-free by SirMasterboy · · Score: 2

    I'm only 22 and I prefer CDs at this point because they are Lossless and DRM-free. Though if digital distribution can provide me with lossless and DRM-free tracks I would not have a problem using that method.

    Though I usually buy used CDs off places like Amazon for about $5 a disk so I also believe digital distribution needs to be cheaper as well as better quality if I am to start using it.

    The plastic really is a waste seeing as I generally rip that CD to my server once and then never use the physical disk again.

  17. Re:Anonymous Coward by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 2

    CDs were said to lose quality as well. Especially from the classics recorded in analog, and digital mastering to make the sound clear. If you want the real bang, you could stick to Vinyl.

  18. Re:Anonymous Coward by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then you dont buy CD's as well. All CD's are compressed hard (audio compression, not data compression) so all the life is sucked out of it. When CD's first came out most were incredible as the engineers tried to make them fantastic. Companies like Mobile Fidelity sound Lab released albums that stunned people. I have several Ultradiscs of old analog recordings that blew away the best turntable setup I could find. I have a all digital mastering of Information Society's first album that was released as an MFSL Ultradisc that used the full dynamic range that CD had in it and it is incredible even on a cheap $99.00 CD player.

    Today, ALL CD's are mastered to sound good on a $2.99 piece of crap car stereo. The Audio compression is cranked up to make it "louder" and all the soul is sucked out and discarded. I cant find a CD today that is sold by a major label that does not suck in sound quality.

    Honestly, if you ever heard a very well done CD, you'd be pissed at the utter crap they are releasing on CD now.

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  19. Laser Rot by Megane · · Score: 2

    So is this the infamous Sony DADC plant that was a prime source of laserdiscs with Laser Rot problems?

    If so, then good riddance.

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  20. AOL was responsible by EvolvedHumanoid · · Score: 2

    I'm surprised no on has connected the dots yet, but ever since the downfall of AOL this plants ultimate demise has been as predictable as the tides.

  21. Re:The eco-friendliness of downloads. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's actually awesome. 300 workers have been displaced to go send their resumés around and find a better job, making more money or taking a senior position in manufacturing or management with their decade of experience.

  22. Re:The eco-friendliness of downloads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yah, that is so cool! I'm sure every one of them has credentials for senior positions. And with the current economy and competing with their fired coworkers I bet there are 300 great jobs just waiting for them.

    "Hi, I operated a cd making machine for 10 years."
    "Ummm, no one is making cds anymore. Next."

    If they could make more many just switching by jobs don't you think they would have before this? When I got laid off it took a year to find a job after intense effort and then it was only with a substantial pay cut.

    I'm not saying they should keep the plant open just to keep paying them but don't make it sound so pollyannaish, like it's a good thing.

  23. Re:The eco-friendliness of downloads. by Pharmboy · · Score: 2

    Yes, instead we've replaced it with the 6 month cycle of ever increasing CPU transistor count, more memory, "smart" phones, LCD TV, hard drives, etc that are required to play these "digital" downloads. (CDs are digital too).

    So let me get this right, you replaced your 6 month old computer...hell, let's say you replaced your 5 YEAR old computer, solely because it wouldn't play the "new music"? I'm pretty sure that any Pentium 4 CPU is already many times the power needed to play music. (I played music on a 486 w/4mb ram, and had power to spare). Even allowing for decoding MP3s, any Pentium 4 would still be overkill for the purpose.

    Maybe, just maybe, people are upgrading their computers for reasons other than solely to play music.

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  24. Re:Anonymous Coward by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    Oh stop. That's true if you're listening to Madonna or Lady Gompa or whatever. There are large numbers of modern (typically Classical) CDs that are mastered quite well.

    However, if you're tastes run to Country / Western then not so much. But at that point, you're your own worst enemy.

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  25. One of the best jobs... by braindrainbahrain · · Score: 2

    ... at that plant (I used to live nearby) was in Quality Control. They would hire people to listen to the Golden Master CDs for defects before mass producing the CDs from the master. People would line up around the block when they had those openings. The pay wasn't great, but where else could you listen to unreleased music all day and get paid for it?