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AMBER Alert Partners With Facebook

wiredmikey writes "The AMBER Alert program, credited with the safe recovery of 525 children across the country, has a new ally today: Facebook. Facebook users are able to sign up to receive AMBER Alert bulletins for their state which will be sent to them through the Facebook 'News Feed' feature. An estimated 800,000 children are reported missing every year. AMBER Alert is a voluntary partnership involving law-enforcement agencies and broadcasters. The new Facebook AMBER Alert pages represent an important expansion of the secondary distribution system and will enable AMBER Alerts to dramatically increase the reach of and impact of these life-saving bulletins."

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  1. Low success rate? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    525 children in total...when 800000 are reported missing each year? I think this program is going to need more than Facebook...

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    1. Re:Low success rate? by devxo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's still 525 children, and they're exactly doing what they should - increase their exposure, currently via Facebook. But since you seem to have better ideas, do suggest them.

    2. Re:Low success rate? by orphiuchus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, only about 30% of amber alerts are actually strangers, most are custody disputes, and according to wikipedia in 2004 there were only 233 alerts issued. I would write a bunch more stuff about this, but its all straight from wikipedia and you should all just read it yourselves anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMBER_Alert#Retrieval_rate

    3. Re:Low success rate? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I did not say that I had better ideas; however, I am not the only person to point out that the AMBER Alert system is not highly effective:

      http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/07/20/abducted/

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    4. Re:Low success rate? by characterZer0 · · Score: 2

      The latest alert in this area was for a woman who told a guy to take her child with him when she let him borrow her car (assuming he would return the car with child instead of stealing it). She did not admit this to police until the next day. The incident was held up as an AMBER Alert success.

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    5. Re:Low success rate? by Alrescha · · Score: 2

      "It amazes me how people can manage to find something to criticize even in the most altruistic actions of others"

      It's only altruistic if those 'others' are paying for it.

      A.

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    6. Re:Low success rate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      betterunixthanunix seems to have no human compassion. I'm a father of two and do you think I would care about their success rates if they could save my kid? I don't think the other parents do either.

    7. Re:Low success rate? by icebike · · Score: 5, Informative

      800000 "children reported missing" includes anyone under the age of 18 who runs away. (This is about 1% of the Children in the US in the 0 thru 17 age group).

      Amber Alerts are specifically for kidnapped or abducted children usually less than 16.

      An Amber alert will not be issued for your 14 yro daughter when she runs off with that creep she met on line.

      Its not the same thing.

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    8. Re:Low success rate? by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Children include anyone under 18. About 73 million in the US fall into that category.

      Every sullen teenager that runs off and is reported "missing" is not abducted.

      Most of those 800000 come slinking home (or at least report in) months or years later.

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    9. Re:Low success rate? by ae1294 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That really doesn't sound like human compassion to me...

    10. Re:Low success rate? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

      A child predator appears.

      "AMBER, I choose you!"

      AMBER issues an alert.

      It's not very effective.

      What? Poor taste? Oh well.

      What we need is to know how many AMBER alerts were issued to find 525 kids. I'm assuming all 800K cases didn't have alerts.

    11. Re:Low success rate? by bws111 · · Score: 2

      According to http://www.amberalert.gov/pdfs/09_amber_report.pdf there were 207 Amber alerts issued in 2009. 166 of those resulted in a recovery. 45 of the recoveries were a direct result of the alert (someone saw the alert and called it in).

    12. Re:Low success rate? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Informative

      800000 "children reported missing" includes anyone under the age of 18 who runs away. (This is about 1% of the Children in the US in the 0 thru 17 age group).

      Amber Alerts are specifically for kidnapped or abducted children usually less than 16.

      An Amber alert will not be issued for your 14 yro daughter when she runs off with that creep she met on line.

      Its not the same thing.

      Nicely said, I just wanted to add one more little detail that whittles the numbers down a little more: The point of the Amber Alert is "this just happened, they're out and about right now, do you see them?" It's about getting the general public, mostly people on highways, to look around and see if they see the suspect vehicle.

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    13. Re:Low success rate? by bws111 · · Score: 2

      You are correct. One of the tests for an Amber Alert being issued is that "The law enforcement agency believes that the child is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death".

    14. Re:Low success rate? by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait... so more than 1% of American children are reported missing each year? Why haven't I heard of a single incident of any of the hundreds of kids I know of being reported missing? Your child stands a much higher chance of getting injured riding in the car with it's parents than of being abducted.

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    15. Re:Low success rate? by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being inefficient with tax payers money for a system that barely works, is not compassion. Could the money used used be put into an other program that could retrieve even more children. Like say 500,000 a year. I could buy an iPad to keep my face dry when it is raining. or I can get an umbrella for a lot less and it will do a better job.

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    16. Re:Low success rate? by NevarMore · · Score: 2

      it's not like I'm going to start patrolling the streets looking for kids.

      If you get the urge to, theres an article a few posts down about sex offenders.

    17. Re:Low success rate? by bws111 · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. In 2009 37% of the Amber Alerts were for white children. 29% were black, and 27% were Hispanic.

    18. Re:Low success rate? by characterZer0 · · Score: 2

      Probably because the same stupid lady reports her stupid kid missing 3 times a week from age 13 to 17 because he comes late, and those 750+ reports show up the same as 750 different children.

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    19. Re:Low success rate? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2
      I don't know about the money, but the "men are evil" stranger-danger attitude endangers children too. Most strangers are nice people. Most kidnappers and molestors are not strangers.

      In England in 2006, BBC News reported the story of a bricklayer who spotted a toddler at the side of the road. As he later testified at a hearing, he didn't stop to help for fear he'd be accused of trying to abduct her. You know: A man driving around with a little girl in his car? She ended up at a pond and drowned.

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    20. Re:Low success rate? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, it is not a result of poisoning the data; AMBER alerts almost always fail in cases of children being abducted by people who plan to harm or kill them. The authors basically say that the success rate of AMBER is inflated by the inclusion of custodial cases, and that if those cases are excluded AMBER has a success rate that is nearly 0. AMBER has not actually augmented traditional police techniques in any meaningful way; in cases where traditional investigative methods fail, AMBER fails as well.

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    21. Re:Low success rate? by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, I get that, but....

      But clearly excluding custodial cases the rate is not zero, (Groene) and it only looks like zero because the system has been swamped with custodial cases.

      Because Amber currently includes all (or a great deal) of the traditional cases, Police end up treating it that way, as do the citizens. So the police response is the same. No augmentation. No checkpoints. No vehicle searches. Its just another Custodial case 98% of the time, and that is exactly how it is treated.

      When these guys did their study, I sincerely doubt they weeded out BUT the cases where Amber Alerts were issued in a timely manner, given the originally intended response, escalated in a logical way, and in response to a prove threat level. (Like Groene, Sarah Maynard, etc).

      They just did a statistical abstraction of cases where police acted in the normal way using the normal assumptions.

      If we dialed it back to original intent, the rate might be better yet.

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    22. Re:Low success rate? by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly, we have turned childhood into a siege mentality. When I was a kid once school let out you would walk across the street to the little food mart, not having to worry about traffic because somebody's mom or grandma was crossing guard that week, grab a coke or a bag of chips and laugh and talk for awhile. Then those that were within walking distance did so while those of us that weren't got picked up in the parking lot by a relative after they inevitably went into the store for some little something they forgot.

      Now at both the elementary and middle school they have had to add another lane in both directions at great expense because the lines of cars were literally going back for miles, you have armed police with cruisers at BOTH exits at BOTH schools acting as security and crossing guards, again at great expense I'm sure. And finally the kids can't even interact with each other because they have to be kept single file to speed up delivery in order to keep the traffic flowing, and of course the number of kids being fat is getting nuts because the parents would rather have them playing the X360 than going outside where the bogeyman might snatch them.

      Now it is pretty obvious to anyone with eyes the paranoia is doing more harm than good. The kids don't get enough time to socially interact anymore which sure isn't good for them mentally or emotionally, they don't get enough exercise because the constantly "Look out! They are after you!" atmosphere created by things like Amber alerts keeps the parents edgy enough they'd rather just let the kid sit at home in front of the TV or console, which in turn makes for a whole lot of fat kids which at that age is horrible for your health. It is any wonder things like juvenile diabetes and obesity is through the roof? Kids aren't even allowed outside anymore!

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    23. Re:Low success rate? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      betterunixthanunix seems to have no human compassion. I'm a father of two and do you think I would care about their success rates if they could save my kid? I don't think the other parents do either.

      It is not a question of compassion, it is a question of whether or not the program has accomplished anything, and there is literally no evidence that AMBER alerts actually save children from harm. You say you do not care about success rates? Why not sacrifice small animals when children go missing? Why not cast stones? There is about as much empirical evidence for AMBER as there is for voodoo.

      You can look it up yourself -- AMBER alerts almost always failed in cases where standard investigative techniques failed.

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    24. Re:Low success rate? by cusco · · Score: 2

      Putting "abducted" in quotes is right. My brother's nasty ex-wife reported that he had abducted their three kids because they got stuck in traffic and he got them to her house an hour late. Since the cop, who taking the report when they arrived, threatened to arrest the bitch if she filed a false report again it put an end to that particular bit of foolishness, but I'm sure those three were part of that year's 800,000.

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  2. And this is just the first step by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny

    Once phase one is complete and AMBER alert bulletins are being sent via facebook they will be able to move on to phase two, where every bulletin will trigger the creation of a "Bring Back (name here)" group and send an invitation to everyone else in the world to join it.

    1. Re:And this is just the first step by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      "Your friend James found a child wandering onto his farm!"

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    2. Re:And this is just the first step by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      "Cops spot James alone with a child on his farm and arrest him!"

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  3. Re:Do those numbers make sense? by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some interesting stats from the FBI:

    As of December 31, 2007, there were 105,229 active missing person records in NCIC. Juveniles under the age of 18 accounted for 54,648 (51.93%) of the records, and 12,362 (11.75%) were for juveniles between the ages of 18 and 20.

    During 2007, 814,967 missing person records were entered into NCIC, a decrease of 2.53% from the 836,131 records entered in 2006. Missing person records cleared or canceled during the same period totaled 820,212. Reasons for these removals include: the subject was located by a law enforcement agency; the individual returned home; or the record had to be removed by the entering agency due to a determination that the record was invalid.

    In 2007, there were 518 records entered as Abducted by a Stranger; 299,787 entered as Runaway; and 2,919 entered as Abducted by Non-Custodial Parent. This only accounts for 303,224 entries of the 418,967 entered, or 72.4%, which is an increase from 297,632 entries of the 836,131 entered, or 35.6%, in 2006.

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  4. Re:Facebook should opt everyone in by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 2

    Except, if they do that, then hundreds of thousands of users will have new bulletins from this "weird Amber alert thingy" that they never signed up for and, rather than investigate, they will simply ignore it, opt out, or block it. I suppose the same end would probably be reached as an opt in program, eventually. But really, if you want people to actually notice this new facebook feature, it is better to advertise it and then have them consciously seek it out and pick it. At least, that would be my guess.

  5. Re:The "low" number is misleading. by Stradenko · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you can get by the terrible 3-D excel charts, the numbers are moderately interesting. 72% of the issued amber alerts in 2009 were for parental abductions (Table 9, pg 20), so your conclusion is wrong. See also table 15, pg 29.

    http://www.amberalert.gov/pdfs/09_amber_report.pdf

  6. Rather have SMS than have to login to FB by countSudoku() · · Score: 2

    You can get SMS messages Amber Alerts already from:
    https://www.wirelessamberalerts.org/index.jsp

    Having to login to facebook is a waste of time, when you can get the same info from roadside display systems, or via free SMS. It's nice the FB is participating, of course (good for them), but this info is already available in a better to digest system, without the FB GUI getting in the way.

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  7. Children are 'abducted' by their own parents by flyingfsck · · Score: 2

    Most of these 800,000 are children who move across state lines with a divorced parent. The root problem is that the courts award children to the wrong parent - almost always the mother. Frequently, the mother is the cause of the whole problem and the children do not want to live with her.

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  8. Amber Alerts: Corwin by aapold · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Corwin was last seen after the patternfall war heading for a social function in the Courts of Chaos. He was wearing his typical black and silver garb with a rose boorch, and his blade Grayswandir. If you have any information on his whereabouts please contact Random.

    Caine - Caine was last seen walking down a street in Kashfa, heading to a coffee shop. He was wearing black and green, with a rakish hat and feather, and had his jeweled daggers. Note - he has been known to fake dissappearances before.

    Fiona - Fiona was last seen in Amber the night Merlin returned, at the main dinner. There are unconfirmed reports that she was later seen at a nightclub in rural upstate New York, and stole a small sedan from a parking lot there. She was wearing a green and lavender dress.

    Bleys - Bleys has also been missing since the night Fiona vanished in Amber, they may have left together. Since there a man matching his description was seen on security camera footage selling several expensive rings in a pawn shop in Las Vegas. He was wearing a snazzy red and orange blazer.

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  9. Re:bad apostrophy by blueg3 · · Score: 2

    "Law-enforcement agency" is correct but uncommon. It's an agency for law enforcement, not a law "enforcement agency". "Law enforcement" is a compound modifier, so it gets a hyphen.

  10. 800000 is a totally bogus and irrelevant number by Omnifarious · · Score: 2

    If we were to take that number seriously, it would mean that at least 1 in 7 people experience a kidnapping during their childhood. When you're coming up with statistics to support a position, please make at least a vague attempt to use a relevant statistic instead of some random trumped up value that sounds good?

    I would like to know the actual number of children kidnapped per year in the US. It would be an interesting statistic and highly relevant to the announcement they made.

  11. Re:The "low" number is misleading. by PRMan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Or, in other words, 3/4 of the time there is a good degree of probability that the Amber Alert system is being used as a pawn in a custody dispute. I heard one situation where a scornful ex-wife asked the ex-husband to do her a favor by watching the kids and then reported him to Amber Alert, had him arrested and jailed awaiting trial, showing the officers the court order that he had taken them during "her time".

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  12. Abduction and the bystander effect by Krishnoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even when a kid is ostensibly being abducted by a stranger, a lot of people won't respond. So I wonder how AMBER could be made more effective to compensate for this effect (assuming it's real).