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Intel Plans Windows 8 Phones
Barence writes "Intel boss Paul Otellini says his company plans to offer Windows 8 on smartphones — putting the chipmaker on a collision course with Microsoft. Speaking during Intel's earnings call, Otellini said Microsoft's decision to port Windows to system-on-a-chip platforms had advantages for his company. 'We have the ability to put our lowest-power Intel processors running Windows 8 – or "next-generation Windows" – into phones, because it's the same OS stack.' That would appear to run contrary to Microsoft's plans for its OSes. Speaking at CES last week, Windows chief Steven Sinofsky said Windows Phone 7 was 'uniquely focused on small form factor' while Windows was designed for tablets and above."
I don't know why exactly, but the way this summary is worded just makes me chuckle. Especially that first line.
Intel boss Paul Otellini says his company plans to offer Windows 8 on smartphones — putting the chipmaker on a collision course with Microsoft.
It makes it sound like he has decided to do this without consulting Microsoft at all. It's like
Intel: HEY. We're gonna put Windows 8 on our smartphones, kk?
Microsoft: Actually we skipped 8 we're going straight to Windows 9.
Intel: Hmmm. Well are you still going to -
Microsoft: No.
Intel: But can we -
Microsoft: NO
Intel: We just want to -
Microsoft: Look, just leave us alone, okay?
Isn't it wiser to make a Windowz theme for Android?
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*crickets*
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I haven't read the article, let alone the summary, but surely it should say "Intel plans 8 Windows phones". That should be enough. One for Ballmer, one for Gates and six handsets for changing the dud ones while under warranty...
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Seems to me it would make more sense for Intel to pursue supporting the port of Android to x86 hardware.
http://www.android-x86.org/
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Windows in various forms runs on the Xbox and the Xbox 360, so it can clearly be stripped down to the point where it is reliable enough for an "appliance"-type device. (Microsoft's hardware problems with both platforms notwithstanding... that's a whole separate argument.) Windows CE is a pathetic POS and basically just a reinvention of Windows from an apparently totally retarded standpoint anyway. Handhelds are becoming more powerful and Android proves the point (OK, the N900 proved the point and Android really just hammers it home) that a "desktop" operating system can run on a handheld. And if Android and MeeGo weren't enough evidence, there's always iOS, which is just OSX with some stuff taken out, some stuff renamed, and some minor stuff added in. Most of what people think of as an iOS feature is right there in OSX, lurking, waiting to be turned on. Most of what we think of as a desktop feature of Windows is just a service waiting to be turned off, or part of the ever-more-baroque Windows Explorer.
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Despite the summary this doesn't sound very Machiavellian. One could almost imagine Microsoft liking the thought of having their core product used on the next billion devices without having to make any investment themselves.
Part of the massive failure of Windows Mobile is that it tried to be Windows scaled down to 3" screens. Small devices need customized OSs, a square peg with the corners shaved off to fit into a round hole.
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Will these smartphones have enough RAM (2-3 gig) to run Windows 8?
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Sinofsky was talking about Windows 7, Otellini is talking about Windows 8.
Ballmer said at CES that Windows 8 will expand the platform and include lower-powered devices. E.g. do a search of recent news regarding the plans for Windows 8 to run on ARM.
Collision course? Really?
I wonder how often I'll need to run Windows Update on my phone to keep the creepy-crawlies away?
Those commercials say that if your battery lasts for 4 hours, you should call your doctor.
And the battery last only 4 hours on standby, tops.
And that was exactly my thought unless the phones are a return to the bricks of the 80s!
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Eric Raymond presents a noteworthy analysis of the smartphone wars, here, in which he predicts Microsoft will fail in that market. Proceeding from the observation that the wireless broadband market has had negative profitably for the previous ten years:
Of course the same logic applies to a Windows 8 phone.
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... putting the chipmaker on a collision course with Microsoft...
How? Last I heard, Microsoft controlled the licensing of Windows. If Microsoft doesn't want a particular version of Windows on a device, they can revoke licensing for it. And, frankly, Intel would be stupid to ship their products with unlicensed software. They're not that dumb.
That is all.
(Jokes aside I would love an X86 phone with querty keyboard a-la motorola Droid, capable of running a game of nethack)
Have you seen nethack android?
I laughed at the weak who considered themselves good because they lacked claws.
And the battery last only 4 hours on standby, tops.
Well at least a phone with a dead battery stops eating up the monthly bandwidth quota
Honestly I find this more interesting than the article.
But I'm in the same boat, this conservation society my girlfriend works at is paying some guy to update their website twice a year and he is charging big bucks and they want to do more update but don't want to spend all the money that comes with that, so they'd like to bring it under their control.
How much you want for it depends on what exactly they want and how much of it they expect you to do. Does your company own the code or is that copyrighted material from another developer? How cooperative is the outside consulting firm going to be with helping you in the transition? Do you know enough of your stuff that you believe you can handle all this on your own? What are your time frame expectations?
Keep in mind, the actual shifting of architecture is going to be your biggest job, after that, things will be much easier. Administering a website once it's already up and running is about as easy as checking logs and doing some regular maintenance, like patches and updates. Setting it all up is the hard part.
I would ask for at least 45k if this is going to be an annual salary type job, with ~8k for the shift plus the salary on top.
One could almost imagine Microsoft liking the thought of having their core product used on the next billion devices
If it were a billion devices, sure.
But it's not. We already know from Windows Mobile how shrunken Windows fares against more modern mobile operating systems. Microsoft knows this too, which is why they actually did the right thing for once and started from scratch with Windows Phone 7.
So all this Intel announcement does, is make people wonder if Windows Phone 7 is a dead end. Microsoft aided that with the announcement of porting Windows to SOC platforms, but Intel isn't helping... I just can't think of it as a good thing for Microsoft to do anything that casts doubt on a nacent system meant to be the future of mobile computing for Microsoft. Unless they consider WP7 to be a stopgap until mobile hardware is so powerful it can run Windows OK??? Madness.
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They either really are getting close to ARM in power consumption, or they think x86/Wintel compatibility on a phone is more important than battery life....... If even Microsoft think power consumption is more important, then you have to wonder. Who wants to run a desktop app on a phone anyway? Be interesting to see, maybe they have something after their bluster about "bring it on". Personally, I don't think it matters even if they do, Wintel compatibility doesn't really matter, certainly not on a phone (or to some of us, at all), and there is no way it will be as cheap as ARM. Still, probably will help them (and Microsoft, because they can't escape x86) fight the ARM laptops coming after the tablets. If might also help them both against the ARM data centres. Anyway, nice to see a processor architecture fight, we all win with real competition. :-)
With homage to you, I submit:
Intel: Hiya!. We're gonna put Windows 8 on our smartphones, Okay?
Microsoft: No, we only allow Windows Phone to go on Phones.
Intel: Hmmm. But since Motorola showed we can run an entire workstation on a phone, let's use the workstation OS!
Microsoft: No.
Intel: But Windows Phone won't work on a workstation. It's still WinTel!
Microsoft: NO
Intel: Look, we're sorry that Windows Phone is once again obsolete the minute it came out, but we can do this!
Microsoft: Check Line 4. That's Counsel Calling.
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This is the exact road ballmer has tried to go for years. It does not sell. Making a specific version for small screens was the smartest thing MS has done for years. Intel can make it, but only a few real geeks will buy it.
Microsoft's business model spells certain disaster for any attempt they make in achieving a significant share of the smartphone market. Android has the volume of that market pretty much locked up at this point -- by offering the software stack for free, Google grabs everyone's interest; by offering a revenue split with the carriers on advertising revenue, they also guarantee that most carriers will go with the official build of Android too.
Microsoft's business model depends on a per-unit software licensing fee. That puts them in direct competition with Apple, not Google. And for consumers who are going to spend the big bucks on a high end phone, who's really going to choose a ZunePhone instead of an iPhone? (I mean other than Ballmer's family of course)
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Funny you should say that. Active Sync was one of the few things I liked about the WinMo 6.5 phone I had for a short while. Switched to Android and like it but now I just move files manually between PC and phone.
...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
Translation: "we at Intel anticipate Windows 8 to be a huge resource hog, so we start promoting it already, hoping that customers will have to buy our new ultra-fast processors."