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Facebook Opens Up Home Addresses and Phone Numbers

An anonymous reader writes "Do you really want third-party app developers on Facebook to be able to access your mobile phone number and home address? Facebook has announced that developers of Facebook apps can now gather the personal contact information from their users. Security firm Sophos describes it as 'a move that could herald a new level of danger for Facebook users' and advises users to remove their home address and phone numbers from the network immediately."

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  1. Message from Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear users:

    Fuck you.

    Cordially,
    Mark Zuckerberg

    1. Re:Message from Facebook by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dear Mark,

      Fuck you.

      I wonder if this is a tactic to see just how much bullshit people will put up with.

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    2. Re:Message from Facebook by bfree · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder if this is a tactic to see just how much bullshit people will put up with.

      With each successful push by Facebook they can re-evaluate their company upwards and until they have reached the point where such a move threatens the perceived value of the company they will push further. Once they find the point at which the value is threatened they will revert the last change and sell up.

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    3. Re:Message from Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It always is. Every time Facebook introduces something, they just do it and see where it gets them... hoping some things people won't notice or care. Zuckerberg's own emails/texts have elucidated that he thinks Facebook's users are all suckers and idiots. He has no sense of ethics... every step is just to see what kind of privacy-violating crap they can push because their entire model is predicated upon out-of-sight/out-of-mind selling of information to third parties in lieu of in your face advertising.

    4. Re:Message from Facebook by madprof · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's OK. I'm on Facebook but only for social purposes. So arguably even less important than LinkedIn.

    5. Re:Message from Facebook by madprof · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yup, that spelling is about the level of quality you'll find on Facebook. ;)

    6. Re:Message from Facebook by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The tactic is "monetize, monetize, monetize!" Their advertisers demand more and more personal data. Now that FB is this defacto monopoly on all things social media, they'll keep handing it over for further profits. FB is a corporation, the sole reason for its existence is to make money. I don't know why people can't accept that. Its why I don't like to use it. I know that to FB we're datamining goldmines.

    7. Re:Message from Facebook by lewko · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Amen.

      I never set one up in the first place. Besides the huge amount of time it wastes, frankly, there's a reason I wasn't friends with people I went to school with and I have no desire to be online friends with them now.

      Privacy is like virginity. It's tempting to give it away, but you never ever get it back.

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    8. Re:Message from Facebook by mjwx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wonder if this is a tactic to see just how much bullshit people will put up with.

      By my experience, the answer to that is quite a bit.

      Just recently I decided to test just how much trolling it would take to get one of my "friends" to unfriendly me. He wasn't really a friend, I added him back in the heady days of 2007 when we added everyone and their dog. Lets just call him Frank, Frank's a bit childish and petty to start off with so I thought he'd be a perfect target. Better yet he just started to use his facebook page as an amateur marketing tool for some "artists" he was "managing" (meaning local performers he kind of hung around with). So Frank is also a bit of a pillock.

      Frank had already blocked me because I own an Android phone and Frank didn't like posts about the latest thing I was doing with it so I had to post under Franks posts. I began with intellectual trolling, countering his arguments with logical discussion, this normally ended up with "you don't know what you're talking about" being the height of his counter arguments but nothing else. After a while I moved onto Grammar Nazism, and the responses elevated to ad-hominem.

      After about a week I elevated to obvious trolling, First Post and popular memes, most of these just got deleted. After about a week he disappeared from Facebook. He still logged on but stopped posting. Finally 2 weeks later he launched one of his bad attempts to market some band, I could of kept going with conventional trolling but instead I took the nuclear option and hit him with a two girls and one cup link. 20 minutes later I received a phone call from Frank, literally in tears asking me to stop and I simply asked him why didn't he just unfriendly me. Still sobbing he said he doesn't want his friend count to go down. I was already in the process of un-friending Frank. Frank took a lot of abuse for a tiny bit of social status, I think many Facebook users would be the same.

      I've got two facebook accounts, one is my real friends (now excluding Frank and most people like Frank who I couldn't give a rats clacker about) which is a very small list. The second is an account not under my real name which has everybody added including a lot of Thai and Philippino girls (I live in OZ, it's easy to pop over to the phils for some cheap, no strings attached action, they get de-friended when they start to ask for a lot of money).

      BTW, I'm not that much of a sociopath, this is not a normal experiment for me and I was just curious as to how much abuse it would take. It kind of spiralled out of control towards the end.

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    9. Re:Message from Facebook by headLITE · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm on Facebook for Farmville purposes. I'm in real life for social and professional purposes.

    10. Re:Message from Facebook by wcrowe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...I could of kept going...

      As a grammar Nazi you are an amateur. It's "could have" or perhaps "could've", not "could of".

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  2. Another option by Ariastis · · Score: 5, Informative

    Easier option :

    Account - Privacy Settings - Apps and Websites (Bottom) - Turn off platform apps

    Bye bye Farmville / Cafe World / Fortune cookie notifications.

    Bye bye info sharing with ueseless apps.

    I have yet to find anything I miss from that pile of junk.

    1. Re:Another option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And you trust FB to honor your choice of options?

    2. Re:Another option by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And you trust FB to honor your choice of options?

      Which is the real problem.

      Facebook is no longer just a website run by a couple of college kids. It is a business - a big business - and like any business their number one priority is making as much money as possible. This is especially true now that Goldman-Sachs has invested $500 million and is trying to get others to invest another Billion or so. No matter how much lip service is given to "privacy" it is no accident that their privacy settings are hard to figure out, don't really do anything and completely deleting a profile is difficult, assuming that they actually delete anything at all. This is by deliberate design because Facebook's business model demands that they must be able to sell your personal information to advertisers.

    3. Re:Another option by fishexe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And you trust FB to honor your choice of options?

      Which is the real problem.

      Facebook is no longer just a website run by a couple of college kids. It is a business - a big business - and like any business their number one priority is making as much money as possible.

      Sadly, this is one big business that was probably creepier when it was just a website run by a couple of college kids, one of whom once said about people's Facebook data, 'People just submitted it. I don't know why. They "trust me". Dumb fucks.' At least now he has investors to sometimes keep him in check, a little bit, maybe.

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  3. This is a seriously bad idea! by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Giving any App developer access to peoples contact details is just an insane move if FB is meant to be making things more secure for their users.

    Having someone's address and phone number makes identity theft so much easier.

    1. Re:This is a seriously bad idea! by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 5, Informative

      It seem not jut your information, but also you friends.

      I noticed this for some apps:

      Access my friends' information
      Birthdays, Religious and political views, Family members and relationship statuses, Significant others and relationship details, Home towns, Current locations, Likes, music, TV, movies, books, quotes, Activities, Interests, Education history, Work history, Online presence, Websites, Groups, Events, Notes, Photos, Videos, Photos and videos of them, 'About me' details and Facebook statuses

      Why on earth would Facebook want to give this information to third parties, and worse to ones you have not given permission to, but your friend has.

    2. Re:This is a seriously bad idea! by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 5, Informative

      It really is a gold mine for identity theft in the wrong hands.

      Most phone support for companies only need Phone number, address and DOB for an identity confirmation and all it takes is for someone to get access to someone's credit card account for them to be able to completely steal their identity for dodgy bankloans or being able to get drivers licenses/passports.

    3. Re:This is a seriously bad idea! by paeanblack · · Score: 4, Interesting

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_directory

      I grew up when phone numbers were public information. Everybody had a book where you could look up the phone number and address of anyone in the area. A few people were unlisted at their own request, but this was the exception.

      Phone numbers and addresses were treated as public knowledge.

      When cell phones first arrived, receiving calls cost money, so cell phone numbers were kept private. Now that the cost of incoming calls is much, much lower, there's little need to keep treating these things as private, especially with people replacing land lines with cell phones.

      The problem lies not with facebook making this data available; the problem lies with everyone who pretends this is secret information to begin with. Some companies consider your phone number to be a unique identifier. Other (idiotic) companies treat it as an authenticator...something nobody else knows. Mix those two and BAD SHIT HAPPENS.

      SSNs are treated the same way. Some places use them for identification and others use them as a freaking password. Frequently an individual bank or credit provider will be using a SSN as both a username and password simultaneously. THAT is the heart of the problem.

      Would knowing the address for the White House help you steal Obama's identity. No, because everybody knows that is public knowledge. The problem is the people who think "wow, this guy knows his own address, so he obviously must be who he claims to be, because nobody else would know that"

  4. why stop at addresses and phone numbers? by sakura+the+mc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about you remove all of your posts, pictures and delete your account immediately?
    If this doesn't wake people up, absolutely nothing will.

    1. Re:why stop at addresses and phone numbers? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why is this modded funny?

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    2. Re:why stop at addresses and phone numbers? by Chucky_M · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why is this modded funny?

      Because you are asking addicts to give up their crack and expecting them to say "oh ok sorry about that".

    3. Re:why stop at addresses and phone numbers? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe the moderator considered it funny that someone thinks if he removes all his data from Facebook, it is no longer stored there?

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    4. Re:why stop at addresses and phone numbers? by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Reduction to the absurd is itself absurd. By shooting any woman who gets pregnant of course we can eliminate all of society's problems, including facebook "privacy", within 100 years. But exactly how useful is that as an argument?

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    5. Re:why stop at addresses and phone numbers? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about you remove all of your posts, pictures and delete your account immediately?.

      You're assuming that closing your account actually deletes all your information and Facebook no longer sells it to advertisers. This is not necessarily a valid assumption.

  5. Never had them there in the first place by coolmadsi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I never put information that detailed up there in the first place. Partially for this sort of reason, but also partially because not everyone on my friends list needs to know all of it (or would care if it was there). Anyone who would want to know, already does.

  6. Sophos: "New level of danger for Facebook users" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

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  7. Closing the barn door too late by mauriceh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quote:
    "advises users to remove their home address and phone numbers from the network immediately"

    I think it may a bit too late for that..
    If FB will share that data, then I suspect they will share their backup data as well..

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  8. Who didn't see this one coming? by waddgodd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, really, did anybody actually expect facebook to not sell your information to the highest bidder? If you put up real information, expect it to be used. The solution: LIE like a rug! Tell them your home address is 1060 W Addison, Chicago, IL (yeah, that one's kinda lame, copying SNL is good only for laughs). Tell them your phone number is 555-1212. Whatever, be creative.

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    1. Re:Who didn't see this one coming? by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I suspect that even poisoning the database with garbage data won't stop the demand for said data because the marketing people who buy it are far to lazy to actually CHECK said data; and so long as a reasonable percentage of the data is legitimate and they make their numbers, who cares? The cost of buying the data is insignificant when compared to other costs.

      Sad but true.

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  9. Forest Gump was a wise man ... by tgd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stupid is as stupid does.

    If you a) put your address and phone number online and b) click to specifically allow an application to access them, too fucking bad if something bad happens.

    I'm so tired of the complete lack of personal responsibility these days.

  10. How far do you go? by Haedrian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I image facebook development to be like a gameshow. They place bets on what changes they need to make to ruin privacy, until an amount of people actually leave.

    I'm sure the next step will be medical records, legal records or naked pictures.

  11. An even better option... by mfearby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...delete your account! Well, at least do your best to delete as much of it as you can. As soon as I learnt years ago that you could never delete your Facebook account I knew never to sign up to that rubbish. And Facebook have vindicated my decision every step of the way ever since.

    You'd be a complete nutjob to be using Facebook. I hope that Diaspora is made available to the public in some form this year, though I'm reasonably content with Twitter.

    1. Re:An even better option... by syousef · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You'd be a complete nutjob to be using Facebook.

      You'd be a "nutjob" to trust any vital information to Facebook. But I submit to you that there are millions of highly educated and/or computer savvy facebook users. Classifying them all as "nutjobs" is silly. I have a facebook account. I don't post anything on my profile or anywhere else that I consider to be important. I don't post pictures of my children on Facebook (and nor does my wife).

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    2. Re:An even better option... by wgoodman · · Score: 4, Funny

      My current city: Constantinople.
      But I'm from Istanbul.

      They can use all of my info they want to, it's all lies.

    3. Re:An even better option... by syousef · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you post nothing of importance, only useless shit? I guess that is a useful tactic to scare other users off facebook.

      I suspect that's flamebait but I'll bite. I don't post anything of importance from a security standpoint. I might post that I had fun at someone's event - I don't post about it ni avance. I might post that I'm feeling sick or tired, I don't post my doctor's report. I might post that a gadget I own is frustrating me but I don't post an inventory of what I own. I might say my child's done something amusing, but I don't post their whereabouts. I might post that something is going on in the area I live in, but I don't post street address or GPS co-ordinates or phone numbers.

      In other words I'm careful. If you don't care about what my frustrations are, what amusing things my kids did etc. sure you'll consider it "useless shit". That is BY DESIGN.

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  12. Just you wait by tiberiumx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah, delete all you want now. Next Facebook will open up the history for every field. Think of the cool 'dating/breakup timeline' an application could build.

  13. and? by mayberry42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Troll me if you want, but, while i do find this appalling, i cant feel sympathetic to people who post up their personal, private information for their "friends" to see and then later become victims. There's no valid reason for people to put it up and just leaves them vulnerable to exploitation (see previous facebook slashdot story), especially if you're not required to post it (and if you were, use fake data). Someone wants your address? let them ask it you for it.They want to call you? let them ask you for your phone number in person. Or by private email. At the very least you'll have control over who gets it and who does not, rather than people you randomly friended over time and have no idea who they are (yes, it happens).

    I've kept my profile (almost) empty for over a year now - believe me when i say you won't miss your data not being up there for the world to see...

    1. Re:and? by FuckingNickName · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's the old "then they came for me" thing. Even if Facebook users are insufferable cunts, they are the cool crowd and any legislation or standard corporate policy (but I repeat myself) concerning privacy will be determined by how they react to what might hitherto have been regarded as an offensive breach of privacy.

      IOW, if Facebook is allowed to continue behaving like this, people will just go, "oh you don't have any privacy anyway, get over it!" with your viewpoint being drowned out. In fact, I've heard a lot of younger people say this. (And a small subset of older guys who always end up having been involved in some way in their employment history with processing large amounts of personal data.)

  14. Re:Duh? by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Phone numbers and home addresses are public knowledge already — it's called a phone book.

    If you want to be ex-directory, then you wouldn't put this info on your Facebook profile in the first place.

  15. Re:Duh? by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you want to be ex-directory, then you wouldn't put this info on your Facebook profile in the first place.

    You might put it there for your friends, especially if you were promised that this info would remain private or shared only with people you authorize.

    To then suddenly have the rules change is just unconscionable.

    But as long as people like you jump in to defend every privacy violation facebook comes up with we can all pretty much expect it to continue.

    Or maybe it will just die when people finally realize the meat market isn't helping them or making them any happier.

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  16. Strike back and delete your account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Facebook is getting too invasive. Every website that has a "like this" button can find out some information about you. Facebook probably knows more about your online habits than Google. They WILL sell this information, too. Unlike Google, they have no other interest in collecting it than to resell it to data miners. They have a history of not respecting your privacy.

    Don't put up with FB any more. Delete your account. Log in and go to this URL:

    http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account

    Clear out your facebook cookies to make sure that the deletion sticks (it will be reverted if you log in within two weeks, including via those websites that have FB widgets on them). I have done this and I am happier: I know my friends better. I have a fuller social life and I spend much less time on meta-socializing (all the things that go into organizing a social life, like FB). It is great.

    1. Re:Strike back and delete your account by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you aren't even a facebook user, you might want to add the antisocial subscription to adblock,
      since those little facebook icons are just as useless as the social bookmarking buttons of yore, but more viral.

  17. OK... by WillyWanker · · Score: 4, Informative

    OK, do we need to go over this again? Any information that you wouldn't write on a giant poster and hang up in a public place should NOT be in Facebook. Period.

  18. Re:Actually get the info by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hi. This is 2 years from now. You gave us the missing piece of the puzzle to narrow down which Billy Smith you are. Now the game changes completely.

    Regards, Marketers in 2012

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  19. Re:Duh? by formfeed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No one will know if the Billy Smith they see on Facebook living "somewhere in Oregon" is B. Smith #36 in the phone book. If they can actually get that information off your profile the game changes completely.

    And that time will come eventually. And it will apply to all your old data as well.

    Companies are data mining like crazy. I never put personal information online, but since companies are scanning in public records and then connect that information, they do have my age, my address, two of my last three residences correctly identified, and got me linked correctly to my in-laws. The income bracket they guessed from the neighborhood.

    Within the next couple years some company will be able to come up with a probabilistic algorithm that links this information to your face book account. People will be able to buy a profile of you that includes your personal data, all old blog posts (analyzed for character flaws) and some old college pictures of you, some friend had on line years ago. And a few more years and picture recognition software will be able to start with known pictures and then find you on other pictures, pattern recognition will be able to determine the likely author of anonymous rants. And that all can be done on old data, that was never meant to come back 20 years later.

  20. Re:Duh? by 0xDEAD · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not magically but legally different: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2005/04/dnc.shtm. It is illegal to cold call mobile numbers and Facebook should be held liable for any crimes committed by the selling of this information.

  21. Re:Duh? by twidarkling · · Score: 4, Informative

    On my new phone, I put in my facebook account for shits 'n giggles, and my phone imported my friends list and all their contact data. I now have a couple dozen phone numbers for people that I was never given directly by the owner. When that happened, I just kinda shook my head in wonder. Now with this story, I'm damn glad I've got absolutely minimal information on my facebook account.

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  22. Re:I've raped my friends by buying new android by arkhan_jg · · Score: 4, Informative

    Android only grabs information your friends have already made available to you. You can go any view any of those phone numbers manually on facebook.com when you're logged in. You're correct to warn friends that they are publishing a phone number, if you know they wouldn't want it published. This isn't android's fault though, it's just collecting the information your friends have made available to you on facebook.

    Google 'knows' about your facebook account because you're presumably putting some information on your public profile; it looks at facebook account names, compares them to your google account name, and takes a guess at a match. It's trying to be helpful! I find adding facebook data to my phone quite handy, as there's contacts on there (with say, email addresses) that update their information when it changes, I don't have to update it manually my end. It also syncs with the calendar for birthdays, etc.

    Note - it's a one way sync. Android (and google) don't put any of your google contacts into facebook. They just pull information from your logged in account to combine with your phone contacts. It doesn't copy any of it to your google contacts or phone contacts, it keeps them separate. It does auto show facebook contacts and google/phone contacts together when they have the same name. You can turn *that* off under the contacts settings, and you'll see them as entirely separate lists.

    If you want to turn off the facebook integration, just goto settings/accounts and remove the facebook sync account you have there. That's what's linking your phone to facebook.

    I don't know about the HTC app, but the samsung one that came with my phone uses the underlying android facebook sync. So when you logged into the facebook app, you gave it permission to well, connect to your facebook profile. Facebook do have their own official app and widget in the android market - IIRC, it does also autosync with contacts and calendar, but you can turn that off and still use the app.

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