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Canadian Firm Plans 78-Satellite Net Service

matty619 writes "A CNET article is reporting on another try at low earth orbit satellites for internet access, reminiscent of Teledesic, an ill fated $9 billion Bill Gates/Paul Allen et al venture originally consisting of 840 low earth orbit satellites (LEO-SAT). From the article: 'MSCI, which stands for Microsat Systems Canada Inc., is trying to be a bit of a maverick with its project, called CommStellation. The company said today that its approach of using small, inexpensive satellites in low orbit — about 620 miles above the Earth — means better coverage of the world's population, quicker launch, and better network capacity.' Each MSCI satellite has a data-transfer capacity of 12 gigabits per second. The expected lifespan of each is 10 years, and they can be sent back into the atmosphere at the end of their lives to avoid more orbital clutter."

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  1. Re:This will be great! by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 5, Funny

    But then, the alternative is Rogers or Bell, so...

  2. Re:This will be great! by Galestar · · Score: 4, Funny

    I personally still vote for IP-over-avian-carriers. Think of how many pigeons you can buy for $9 Billion.

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  3. Re:This will be great! by DirtyCanuck · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is Canada bud, we have the most land per person with gaps in population not seen in most places in the world.

    Even in Northern Ontario where cell service and broadband exists, there are still consistent areas that have access only to dial up.

    I have seen customers first hand, who had no service while their neighbor across the road had High Speed Bell or Cogeco.

    When we start to take into consideration people that can't even access dial up it becomes apparent that there is a glaring gap in equal access to internet up here in the proper North.

    With Bell and Rogers running the show it becomes very evident that an ideal way to harness these customers is to offer some sort of over the air service not already in place.

  4. Re:This will be great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Think of how many pigeons you can buy for $9 Billion.

    Think of the "packet drops" from $9 billion worth of pigeons.

  5. Re:I'm not a rocket scientist by evanbd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Satellites naturally end up with modest densities, not super tightly packed (usually). Weight tends to be at more of a premium than space, especially when you have bulky things like solar panels and antennas involved. A few small, dense pieces might reach the ground, but that's not normally an issue. They'll be deorbited over the ocean, for starters, and the total mass reaching the ground is small.

  6. Re:This will be great! by emt377 · · Score: 4, Informative

    High ping, high jitter, low bandwidth once you factor in number of users and high cost, what could be better?

    622 miles is really quite low and would only add about 10-12ms to the roundtrip. It's only a little more than the distance from San Francisco to Los Angeles. Jitter and bandwidth is a matter of pricing, and presumably there will be service tiers. Oversell it enough and it will be crap. Price it to manage demand and it could be excellent. If they can make this work anywhere in the world (why else 78 nodes) with an access device resembling a small book or hockey puck, then I predict monumental success.

  7. What happens with China? by DeltaQH · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Such a service, flying over the GFW, would theoretically give access to uncensored internet.

    Will the company filter traffic from China in exchange to get into that market.

    Will China shoot the satellites down?

  8. Re:Self-destruct satellites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, because then it might blow up on accident and there goes your very expensive satellite. Second, it might blow up at a bad time (launch) which would be very bad for the rest of the satellites on your launch. Third, if you blow it up you're going to create a lot of debris you can't track. Most satellites are in GEO and have their orbits raised at the end of life to open up there orbital slots. There's no point to blow those up since the debris wouldn't enter the atmosphere. If you're in LEO then you'd still have to make sure there aren't any satellites below you before you blow up since you'll lose control of all of the pieces, and if you can control the descent of one spacecraft into the atmosphere to burn up you may as well not blow it up. Space junk is actually a huge problem for satellites and it's likely only to get worse.

  9. Re:This will be great! by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would think that the 10-12 msec estimate already took all of that into account. If the bird is right above you, a 1244 mile round trip is a little over 6 msec. at the speed of light. Also, bear in mind that LEO satellites don't use a dish---they use a normal antenna---so no alignment is involved. You can't realistically track a bird whose twenty minute ground path is the size of North America using a directional aerial. The whole point of LEO constellations is that there are always multiple birds overhead, so you talk to the one that provides the strongest signal or whatever.

    But you're right about load balancing and cities. The flip side of that coin is that these can cover areas that can't feasibly be covered by cellular coverage due to low population density. You know, like most of Canada, where this company is based. It's a tradeoff.

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  10. Re:"sent back into the atmosphere"? by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Funny

    In other news, Canadian forces is expecting to introduce their new kinetic planetary bombardment weapon in 2021.

    We've been doing that for years - they're called paratroopers. Unfortunately they've recently acquired better parachutes, so their effectiveness has been greatly decreased.