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Xbox Live Labels Autistic Boy "Cheater"

Jellis55 writes "Jennifer Zdenek, the mother of an 11-year-old boy who lives with autism, is outraged at Microsoft Xbox Live for labeling her son a 'cheater' and taking away everything he's earned online. She says her son, Julias Jackson, is so good at playing X-Box games, Xbox LIVE thought he cheated. She says her son got online last week to play Xbox LIVE and saw that he was labeled a cheater and had zero achievements. Microsoft continues to ignore her requests to take 'cheater' off of his account."

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  1. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe he actually cheated... LOL. Naturally, the mother is biased in favor of her son.

    1. Re:lol by EasyTarget · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Slashdotted...... but I gotta wonder at a site called 'gamingtruth'; who's truth exactly?

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    2. Re:lol by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft sends a Twitter message "he did cheat, we checked", and everyone says "O, that's OK then, carry on". I must be in a parallel universe.

      I'm afraid we're all living in a parallel universe where 'tweets' pass for what's supposed to be actual press releases. There's no proving who actually did it, no problem denying or retracting it, and no accountability. I'd like to petition all major dictionaries to add 'see plausible deniability' to any entries for Twitter or 'tweets'.

    3. Re:lol by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The twitter comment seems legit, it's logical and makes more sense than "My son is so good he got labeled a cheat" when we know there are achievement farmers who are miles ahead of this kid and didn't get labeled cheaters. Slashdot may have Microsoft, but it's users are generally able to accept basic logic over someone saying "Well I'm a parent, so I know...".

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    4. Re:lol by michelcolman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, a local TV station did bring this as news, and it's on slashdot, and it will be in lots of other places very soon, so yes, this might warrant slightly more info than a Twitter message.

  2. Re:To the prior responders... by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since about 2008 MS has had measures in place to establish whether an achievement unlock happened during gameplay, and they consequently delete the relevant achievements and apply the "Cheater" flag. I don't think anyone, autistic, dyslexic, or neurotic, is good enough at Xbox to unlock achievements without actually playing.

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  3. Common accusation case by kangsterizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While we may debate if he really cheated or not,, really has true autism or not and so on, I think there's something else that is worth discussing.

    Online games are played by millions nowadays and want it or not, this shapes the society a little bit in it's own ways.

    In my experience, anyone losing to the superior minded in any game involving strategy (they almost all do, including FPS and "dumb" RPGs) will eventually call it cheating. I think everyone has experienced that. Eventually, if enough people get pissed and do not understand how it is possible to lose so bad to a legitimate player, they will label him cheater.
    Admins and game masters are no different - usually they also play the game. They will find any so-called proof to dismiss the person and have it banned for breaking the rules, even if no rule was broken.
    Examples:
    - it's statistically impossible to have 60% accuracy, it's a proof of cheating
    - it's statistically impossible to win 1v10, it's obvious cheating
    - he's going too much damage
    - he can't click that fast
    and so on - mostly based on lose "stats" and no real reference

    Sadly (well - this is human), people also tend to play such games so many hours a day that such reactions are seen also in their day to day offline life.

  4. Re:Microsoft ignores her requests... by lostmongoose · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So we're just supposed to believe the person who banned him without any details. Is twitter now a reliable source?

    He sent the details to the parents. Those are the only people he has to convince. Whiny mouth breathers on /. demanding that MS provide proof are not on his list of people he has to convince or impress.

  5. Re:Microsoft ignores her requests... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your logic doesn't hold water. The kid has an obvious motivation to lie -- he doesn't want to admit to mom he cheated but still wants his achievements back. Mom on the other hand wouldn't want to admit that his child could be a bad apple -- everyone has heard a parent say "my son would _never_ do something like that"...

  6. Re:Also red-haired? by Kiraxa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No you're not an "aspie" if you're going to call yourself anything its an Autistic Psychopath. Yes thats its proper name. And being an antisocial narcissist who can pay attention to detail doesn't make you special. And its completely "fixable." giving it a special label and saying LOL MENTAL DEFECT IT MAKES ME SPECIAL just pisses off the people who work with people who have real autism and see you cocks diluting the term and drawing negative attention with your narcissism.

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  7. A better question by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the reporter to ask: "What's your autistic 11 year old doing spending all his time playing Mature rated games that revolve around killing people?"

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  8. Speaking of Prejudice... by CrazyDuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who says autistic children can't cheat? Where is the evidence that supports that assumption?

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  9. Ideally by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Ideally you wouldn't do it like that at all, but have enough data transmitted and processed by the server to actually know WTH happened there.

    E.g., if you have an MMO and do any money or item transfers in an atomic transaction on the server, then you just eliminated duping. And if you keep a log of who bought or transferred what, and suddenly an item appears that doesn't have such records, then you know some cheat was involved.

    2. If someone did go with such statistical methods, they have the added disadvantage that

    A) they don't account for flukes. As you probably know, having, say, 55% accuracy only means 55% in the very long run. Getting even 10 or 20 hits in a row is improbable but not impossible. When you have a million players shooting millions of rounds each, and more deaths per minute than at Kursk, one in a million odds will actually happen very often. You'll have several deaths a day which are the 20'th hit without a miss in a row.

    B) being "that good" is actually a relative thing.

    Someone who thinks they're that good against random newbies in random matches, may be completely pwned when they stumble on a major clan's server. I had exactly that nasty surprise myself in UT. You'd think I'd manage at least one frag there, but it was like skeet shooting with me being the clay pigeon ;)

    Conversely, someone who isn't even playing that good may stumble upon a bunch of complete noobs, and rake up a ridiculous score by simple virtue that accuracy against stationary targets is really that much better. I've had that kind of experience too.

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  10. Re:Microsoft ignores her requests... by Obyron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, his undeniable skill at video gaming and the sheer force of his savantism reached out to his Xbox's hard drive and altered checksums in such a way that his account would be flagged as having cheated. You think Microsoft's anti-cheat enforcement is entirely qualitative? They were able to ban one of my consoles for having modified firmware even though I never took it on Live, downloaded DLC, &c. You think they can't spot someone artificially inflating their Gamerscore?

    Take a second, breathe deeply, be intellectually honest with yourself, and apply Occam's Razor. What's more likely: that Microsoft is engaging in an unfair and oppressive campaign against gaming savants (never mind that that's not how autism actually works) at the highest levels of their company, or that an 11 year old cheated at a video game? I find it actually more offensive that everyone's first reaction to this story is that the kid is being oppressed for having autism, which must clearly make him an unstoppable video game ninja, and that we should all be so lucky as to be autistic too.

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  11. Re:Microsoft ignores her requests... by The+Moof · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whiny mouth breathers on /. that are paying XBox live customers such as myself damn sure better be on his list of people that he has to convince or impress!

    As a paying Xbox Live customer myself, I sure as hell don't want my private information publicly distributed if I'm the subject of an investigation. If I did want it public, I'll be the one distributing the info, not MS. I'm actually really surprised to see people here up in arms that MS isn't distributing the details. If they did, everyone would be up in arms about the "obvious privacy violation."