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How Gaming Can Save the World

An anonymous reader writes "Game designer and all-around interesting person Jane McGonigal just published a book arguing that playing games will help solve the urgent problems of the real world. To mark the publication, Discover Magazine has a Q&A with McGonigal on several topics, such as: exactly how much gaming is too much? 'There was a really significant study that tracked 1,100 soldiers for a year, and looked at how they were spending their free time with things they considered coping mechanisms—using Facebook, listening to music, reading, working out, or playing video games. They correlated this with incidences of post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression, suicide attempts, and domestic violence. The found that by a very wide margin, the most psychologically protected individuals—who had the lowest rates of any of these negative experiences—were people who were playing video games 3 to 4 hours a day. ... That was fascinating—it was more beneficial than anything but working out 7 hours a day.' She also talks about how relationships forged in games can change the world, and which world problems exactly is she trying to solve via games. (Hint: think big.)"

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  1. Time to.. by Ventriloquate · · Score: 2

    workout for 7 hours and game for 3-4 hours after that!

    1. Re:Time to.. by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Interestingly, PTSD is highly correlated with "having actual experiences in the real world". Gaming more than 3 hours a day is, by and large, negatively correlated with "having experiences in the real world", and as such, must be negatively correlated with PTSD.

      You obviously missed the part where TFS stated "tracked 1,100 soldiers for a year". These test subjects were outside and although not explicitly stated were presumably in a combat zone when these tests occured.

    2. Re:Time to.. by tverbeek · · Score: 2

      But the question is how meaningful these results are when discussing people who are not soldiers. Soldiers (especially deployed in combat or active peacekeeping situations) face some rather unique emotional challenges. What's good for them isn't necessarily going to be good for people in general. I'm just hypothesizing here, but someone whose day job involves seeing people killed violently and having to do the same to other people might benefit from spending his down time experiencing similar visuals and activities in a virtual environment in which he knows he is safe from harm, thereby making it less traumatic. But for someone whose day job is running a deep fryer or driving a truck or fixing computers or trading stocks, that might not have any therapeutic value and could possibly have a negative effect. I'm not saying that it does, just that a study of soldiers doesn't say that it doesn't.

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  2. Matches up to some previous research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    There was a study a decade or so ago where, if you can believe it, patients with severe burns were asked to rate how much they "enjoyed" having their dressings changed on a scale of one to ten. Changing the dressings on a burns victim is generally regarded as one of the most traumatic procedures a patient can undergo outside of surgery, and answers generally ranged from "crying" to "What kind of inhuman monster would even ask me that?" to "minus fifty".

    The patients were then asked to play a videogame (I think it was Tetris) while their dressings were changed, for a few days/weeks/whatever.

    When asked again how much they enjoyed having their burns changed, the same set of patients would reply with answers averaging around 6 and 7.

    No citations, no nothing, but I think I remember reading about it back around the Xth anniversary of Tetris, when everyone kept going on about what a cognitive miracle Tetris is...

  3. Correlation / Causation by HaeMaker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here we go again! Did game playing really prevent PTSD or are people who play games less susceptible to PTSD?

    1. Re:Correlation / Causation by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2

      Or, um, are people with PTSD less likely to play games? That seems to be the most likely scenario to me.

    2. Re:Correlation / Causation by Onuma · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've had PTSD (combat-related). Glad to say that I haven't had a real problem with it in about 5 years, but even to this day I hear the right kind of *BANG* and have momentary flashbacks of the sh!t I've been through. A door slamming with a loud thud can sound like a mortar exploding in the distance. Seeing a flaming car on the side of the road might remind me of a time when that was a blown-up Humvee.

      You know why it didn't develop into a debilitating problem for me? Diversions, and talking with other soldiers/marines/airmen/sailors who've been in similar situations, if not the same time & place where I nearly got blown up on more than one occasion. No one who hasn't been in a combat zone can comprehend the reality of things; "99% boredom, 1% chaos" is the tip of the iceberg.

      Gaming helped me to put those times in the back of my mind, rather than constantly having to deal with them in the foreground.
      Are gamers more or less susceptible to PTSD? I don't believe so. I think it's just a coping mechanism which can prove to be quite useful in treatment. It's much better than trying to forget through drinking; the worst you'll get is atrophy, vs. a possibly life-threatening addiction and delirium tremens.

      TLDR: Gaming is a good outlet, regardless of what kind of gaming it is. CoD, solitaire, or WoW can all be potentially therapeutic to individuals who may have otherwise developed PTSD.

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  4. Gaming can save the world by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 3, Funny

    Gaming can save the world's food crisis by sending people on quests to collect 20 Talbuk ears, the carcass left over afterwards provides a sustainable supply of meat if the respawn rate is high enough.

  5. Well, now that you mention it... by Moraelin · · Score: 2

    Well, now that you mention it, ways of solving conflict other than having thousands of people splattering each other's guts all over the landscape, have existed for most of human history. E.g., deciding who's right by single combat is attested from primitive tribes to the late middle ages. And sometimes even there some kind of contest of ability could be substituted for actual combat.

    E.g., probably the funniest such case was when, if I remember that legend right, a minor dispute between Moldavia and Wallachia was settled by having one champion of each meet on a bridge on a border and try to best each other in a... wine drinking contest. So after a no doubt epic and thrilling match, eventually one of them slumped under the table and the other's country claimed victory. IIRC the winner got knighted or some such for his victory.

    I can't see why we can't do the same with video games :p

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    1. Re:Well, now that you mention it... by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or to give another example of a conflict solved by, shall we say, less than martial means, take an insvasion of Russia by the Mongols, where the armies met on the opposite edges of a river, and with obviously neither having enough superiority to charge across the river. So after shouting various slurs and insults to the other for a couple of days, the Mongols, obviously having lost to the superior cussword vocabulary of the brave defenders from Muskowy, turned tail and went home.

      Well, I guess the fact that the Russians had moved some kind of moving fort to threaten their flank may have also played a role, but that's not as funny ;)

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    2. Re:Well, now that you mention it... by Moraelin · · Score: 2

      Nope. Check out the great stand on the Ugra river. They really sat on the opposite banks while Ivan was negotiating for more support with his unruly boyars, while the Mongolians were hoping for some reinforcements that never arrived.

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  6. I'm not sure you understand the army by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure you understand the army. Actually judging by half the answers in the thread, lots of people seem to think it's like in their games.

    Some 3-4 hours a day are a lot when you spend 8 hour at your day job, 2 hours commuting so you can live in the right fashionable suburb, and have to balance everything from dealing with the kids to getting the roof fixed in the rest of the time. That's when 3-4 hours a day to spend on gaming starts to be more time than you actually have.

    When you're on some military base at the end of nowhere, and you live right there too, all those factors just don't apply. It's not like those guys spend 16 hours a day shooting at the enemy or standing in guard towers, because even all out war doesn't actually work that way. And also because nobody can resist such a program in the long term. Working 16 hour days is fine for a couple of weeks tops, then you start getting tired and making mistakes.

    Even when you pulled guard duty, actually it doesn't mean camping at that post all day, but pretty much time slicing if I'm allowed a computer metaphor. You spend your time slice at your post, then have the next two time slices free. Even between sleeping, eating, polishing your boots and whatnot, there's one hell of a lot of time free.

    And you're not supposed to check the kids' homework and get the dishwasher fixed and whatnot in that time either.

    Playing 3-4 hours a day isn't going to cut down on your time actually doing your duties.

    Also not the least because, well, your commanding officer isn't like the kind of permissive mommy who's totally not bothered if you skipped tidying your room to play games and expects the politicians to police her kids. Those guys _are_ those policing you there and seeing to it that you obey your orders to the letter.

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