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Bomb Detecting Plants To Root Out Terrorists

Hugh Pickens writes writes "The Denver Post Reports that a biologist at Colorado State University has re-engineered plants so that they can detect explosives, air pollution and toxic chemicals, signaling the presence of potentially deadly vapors by turning from green to white. 'If you take something into Denver International Airport, like an explosive for a plane, my plants are going to turn white,' says June Medford, who developed the system. 'That's going to get the security guys on you.' Military and Homeland Security research directors say they envision wide applications for the genetically modified plants positioned in buildings, war zones and cities where terrorists could set up covert bomb-making factories and add that strategic placement of the plants could help reach a goal of deploying a decentralized, nationwide system for detecting explosives. 'Our hope is if these plants could be located ubiquitously, we might be able to detect explosives at the point they are being assembled,' says Doug Bauer, the Homeland Security explosives research program manager. 'You would have a much greater opportunity for first-responders to interdict and disrupt that activity.'"

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  1. This or a DNA test by alphatel · · Score: 2

    Works great as long as you can wait a few hours for the plant to change color.

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    1. Re:This or a DNA test by Defenestrar · · Score: 1

      You're quite right. There's a lot of applications where you have plenty of time - such as locating areas where bomb building activities may be in progress, or searching out land mines. You could also (possibly) tell when a bag run through security contained explosives - I know people aren't usually checking bags three hours early, but you could still isolate the likely flights/destinations if in the realm of airport security.

      Also, depending on the biological/kinetic pathways - that three hours may be very shorten-able. Use the easy plant for development, but then splice it into a venus fly-trap (ok - so that's not what would really happen, but it's an easy way for people to remember that sometimes plants do move fast).

      The color fade may take three hours for a human to notice, but if you tag the process with a fluorescent or have an optical detector (electronics) check for a spectroscopic change (a clip on leaf spectrometer could probably be done for a few dollars), then the electronics could trigger an alarm much more quickly (and less publicly).

    2. Re:This or a DNA test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How quickly have you seen a plant do anything?

    3. Re:This or a DNA test by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1, Informative

      Venus flytraps close in less than a second, and mimosa pudica will fold in on themselves very quickly after being touched. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0LFBM3hOLs)

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    4. Re:This or a DNA test by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

      So the peer reviewed article claims it takes 24-48 hours for plants to detect these changes. It's not as easy as just saying that chemistry happens fast. Binding TNT to the receptor on the plant sets of a chain of interactions which cause certain DNA sequences to be expressed, leading to production of enzymes which destroy pigments in the plant. There's a lot of membrane crossing and diffusion involved, and that all takes time.

      The mammalian sense of smell takes about 0.2 seconds to register a response electrochemically. It's completely different, there's no genetic signaling involved. Electronic sensors using mammalian proteins can respond at a similar speed. (Those proteins would not function the same way in a plant, in case you're wondering.)

      Of course, sensors which use something other than proteins respond even faster, don't fall apart after a few days, and can be used in all kinds of weather.

    5. Re:This or a DNA test by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      There's a lot of applications where you have plenty of time - such as locating areas where bomb building activities may be in progress,

      Like ... pretty-much anywhere within a couple of days travel time of an airport (not necessarily the closest airport.

      You could also (possibly) tell when a bag run through security contained explosives

      Sorry, didn't you take class Terrorism 1.0.1 when you first got a mobile phone? It was obvious then (mid-1990s) that these devices gave remote (as in "distance from detonator") energisation (approx. equivalent to "detonate") capabilities. So, from that time, being within physical reach of your bomb has been unnecessary.

      That's most of a generation now. Didn't your daddy tell you?

      Just to make it plain (as if you hadn't thought this through for yourself ; obviously if you had thought it through, you'd already be sweating in a torture camp in the USA state in Cuba) : Being able to detect a bomb when it goes onto a plane is only one tiny part of securing against un-planned explosions at airports.

      Hell, what is this thing about airports? Before Monday it was utterly obvious that any place where a significant gathering of people happens is a target. Oh, sorry, Spanish commuter-train bombs of 2006, or thereabouts.

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  2. fp by jefe7777 · · Score: 1

    petrifried np and all that stuff....

    1. Re:fp by jefe7777 · · Score: 1

      i failed.
      i'm gonna go get drunk now.

    2. Re:fp by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

      I'm way ahead of you there, friend!

      You go have a virtual one on me.

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  3. Any relation to Jack? by gfreeman · · Score: 1

    Doug Bauer, the Homeland Security explosives research program manager

    Really?

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    1. Re:Any relation to Jack? by c0d3g33k · · Score: 2

      It's a common enough name for those of germanic origin. It means "Farmer".

      Your joke falls flat, because reality is much more mundane than fiction.

    2. Re:Any relation to Jack? by jc42 · · Score: 1

      It means "Farmer".

      Really?

      Yeah, really. You'd think that "Bauer" would be derived from "bauen" (build), and it might well be, but it's an illustration of the fact that German is no more logical than any other human-developed language. There are a number of German-English dictionaries online; go look it up.

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    3. Re:Any relation to Jack? by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      It's a common enough name for those of germanic origin. It means "Farmer".

      So, very familiar with fertilizer, ammonium nitrate, things of that nature?

      And plants too. Well, he seems to be the right man for the job.

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    4. Re:Any relation to Jack? by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, really. You'd think that "Bauer" would be derived from "bauen" (build), and it might well be, but it's an illustration of the fact that German is no more logical than any other human-developed language. There are a number of German-English dictionaries online; go look it up.

      No more logical, perhaps, but there's something about the word Handschuh in particular that I find beautifully elegant.

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  4. So the bomb detects the plants? by Steve+van+der+Burg · · Score: 2

    That should be

          Bomb-detecting Plants To Root Out Terrorists

  5. Ammonium Nitrate by coolmoose25 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Read a different story on this and my favorite quote was that it would probably never be able to pick up on a bomb made with Ammonium Nitrate, because, well, that's fertilizer...

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    1. Re:Ammonium Nitrate by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Not true at all, I have several plants that will detect fertilizer. In the presence of sun and water, it makes them grow like crazy.

      Now, where is my TSA money? I am pretty sure that come late spring I will be able to outfit half their facilities with fertilizer detecting vines. I would happily do it for... $20 million. A bargain really.

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  6. Mine detection by The+Iconoclast · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is something they've been kicking around for minefield detection for a while. Seed a purported minefield with grass that behaves differently in the presence of explosive, then wait and you can see where to avoid and send the demolition crews.

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    1. Re:Mine detection by quixote9 · · Score: 1

      Seeding a minefield with indicator grass, I could see that working. Potted plants at airports catching passing terrorists? No.

      I can hear them now: Ground crew to Terminal Control: "We need another delay on Flight 36983. The aspidistra at Gate 9 next to the guy with the briefcase may be kinda light green. We need more time!"

  7. Root out by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    Groan.

    1. Re:Root out by hellkyng · · Score: 1

      Hey as long as it weeds out a few bad apples

  8. or i can by nimbius · · Score: 1

    continue building my covert explosives factory but before i head back to it after lunch, buy a box of salt or a bottle of weed killer. terrorists: 1, magic rainbow plant: 0.

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  9. Don't forget by slapout · · Score: 1

    We have to remember to water them.

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  10. That will get the homeland security guys on you?? by djlemma · · Score: 1

    Obviously this whole concept is a bit silly, but how exactly would these plants be able to isolate WHICH passenger was carrying bomb materials, if they happened to turn white?

    And as somebody else mentioned, I'm sure it takes a while for the plants to change color..

    And I'm sure there are MANY explosives (fertilizer based?) that these things probably wouldn't detect, and probably many things that would cause false positives..

    I suppose it might be usefult to plant these things around suspected bomb-making locations, but I'd think that people would get savvy really quick and take a lawnmower to their property....

  11. Obvious video game reference by Captain+Spam · · Score: 1

    I was wondering what Popcap was going to do for the sequel to Plants vs. Zombies. I guess Plants vs. Terrorists would work well enough.

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  12. From the TSA, where delay == security! by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2

    This makes sense. When you walk into the airport, you're given a flower pot with soil in it and a seed inside. By the time you get to the security gate, the seed will have grown to a flower. The TSA officers will then let you in based on the color of the flower.

    This won't take any more time than usual, because waiting in line at the airport is already like watching plants grow.

    - RG>

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    1. Re:From the TSA, where delay == security! by Archtech · · Score: 1

      The best part of it is that the TSA is actually setting up the terrorists' next big target for them: the huge queues waiting to go through "security".

      That is assuming there are any terrorists (other than Americans) trying to blow things up in America, which seems extremely doubtful. The whole rationale for TSA's existence reminds me of a joke I heard at school when I was about 6: "Why do elephants have yellow feet?" "So they won't be seen when hiding upside down in bowls of custard". "That's ridiculous, I've never seen an elephant in a bowl of custard". (You can see where this is heading, can't you?). "That shows how well it works!" (boom boom).

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  13. Hermetically sealed explosives anyone? by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    Terrorist 1 builds bomb in remote location in a "clean room". Hermetically seals it and drops it off at location A.

    Terrorist 2 picks the bomb from location A and and chemically cleans/sterilizes the outside. Then drops it off at location B

    Terrorist 3 picks the bomb up at location B and then delivers it to the target.

    Oh and BTW Terrorist 3 detonates it in the crowd waiting to get to the security checkpoint before any testing for explosives will be done.

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  14. It never ends by Caerdwyn · · Score: 1

    Great, now my salad will be working for the TSA and giving me attitude.

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  15. In related news by monk · · Score: 1

    Researchers at the 32nd Street Regional University and Pub have announced a genetically engineered ficus that can detect disloyalty.

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    1. Re:In related news by snookerhog · · Score: 1

      beat me by one bloody post

  16. Day of the Triffids? by snookerhog · · Score: 1

    start stocking up on herbicides.

  17. False positives make this useless by Required+Snark · · Score: 2

    This system is too easy to defeat. All a troublemaker has to do is get a small amount of the target substance and spread it around to trigger a false alert. For example, just walk in the public areas in front of an airport and sprinkle some powder on the sidewalk and leave. All the people walk in the powder, walk inside and then chaos ensues. This can be done at any scale, so even planing over an entire city will not allow bomb making locations to be located. Although this could be very useful in a limited way, it is not a quick fix for everything.

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  18. "For TSA Use Only" by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

    Awesome idea, and I'd love for a minefield in the spring to look like beautiful-but-deadly Warhol painting.

    But I really don't like one aspect of the plants that my tax dollars are paying for. From TFA:

    Homeland Security agents are interested in adaptations so that only agents using infrared technology could see plant color changes, Bauer said.

    If the plants are going to detect things that blow up, wouldn't it be a Good Thing for us average citizens to be able to use them? Allowing civilians to become projectile-absorbing materials is something terrorists do... not letting us know that we're walking past a dangerous area seems hardly better.

    Oh, but the true purpose becomes clear:

    Another possibility: Police could use the plants to enforce drug prohibitions, Bauer said. "Such sentinels," he said, "could be very inexpensive."

    They're NOT developing this in order to make us safer. There are very few landmines on US soil, after all (though Civil War battlefields might resemble a game of Pac-Man). They're just trying to find a cheap way to put more potheads in prison, so they can learn how to be real criminals. (Damned if I can figure out how that makes me more secure... guess I should just let Big Brother do my thinking for me.)

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  19. Re:That will get the homeland security guys on you by hedwards · · Score: 1

    The same way that the check points prevent suicide bombers from hitting the line. This would enable them to stop planes from departing or people from boarding them and just ensure that the terrorists hit the people waiting to be screened.

    This is going to be about as helpful as those scanners are, but less likely to result in sexual assault charges being filed against TSA employees.

  20. Stemming the tide of terrorism? by /dev/zero · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry...

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  21. Hopefully. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

    They can get to the root of the problem.

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  22. Feasability? by meerling · · Score: 1

    How fast does the indicator work? How much trace is needed to cause indication? How many things can it detect? What explosives or other prohibited materials is it incapable of detecting that really should be that is detected by the other systems in place that can already detect what the plant does?

    There are a LOT of other questions in addition to these that would need to be answered before even contemplating the possibility of employing a detection system like these plants.

    You want fast detection from tiny traces and specific identification of both the source location and material. But I can imagine it being used for watchdogging an area for certain types of contamination, like detecting a dioxin leak from a chemical storage facility or something like that.

  23. Like a dog... by Goboxer · · Score: 1
    I have heard this described as working like how a dog sniffs explosives.

    ...

    Screw the plant, use a damned dog.

  24. You didn't RTFA by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    It says three hours.

  25. Just.. by Sumbius · · Score: 2

    Try not to fart around it.

  26. Re:That will get the homeland security guys on you by AnotherBrian · · Score: 1

    This is going to be about as helpful as those scanners are, but less likely to result in sexual assault charges being filed against TSA employees.

    Apparently you haven't seen the Japanese remake of 'Little Shop of Horrors'.