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Ruby Dropped In Netbeans 7

An anonymous reader writes "Ruby/RoR in NetBeans made headlines three years ago, but after Sun was acquired by Oracle there where fears that support for dynamic languages would suffer, as this IDE would be downsized. This has become a reality, since as of version 7, NetBeans will no longer support Ruby."

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  1. Re:Ruby by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a dead language I'd always say.

    Can you cite the Netcraft story?

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  2. Oracle Software by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I used to like NetBeans at least as much as Eclipse, but with Oracle in charge, I'm not sure I can trust the future of anything from them that's free.

    1. Re:Oracle Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Meh, Eclipse is just...meh.. it'll take awhile for even Oracle's black-thumb to wilt NetBeans until it's worse than Eclipse. Though it's probably a matter of when and not if.

    2. Re:Oracle Software by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      I used to like NetBeans at least as much as Eclipse, but with Oracle in charge, I'm not sure I can trust the future of anything from them that's free.

      I would not trust them with the non-free stuff either. I have a bunch of Sun servers running Solaris 10. They work great but I'm not counting on ever buying new ones or using Solaris 11 should it ever turn up. Oracle are gutting sun, wrecking everything it was good at. By the time they finish they will realize they have nothing of value left because they destroyed it all. Sun customers now have the choice between expensive pain with oracle or cheap freedom with open source.

    3. Re:Oracle Software by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      I've always preferred NetBeans to Eclipse (in the same way that I'd prefer to be beaten with a baseball bat around the knees rather than the head), but those of us who prefer the environment have always been in a minority - the mindshare is with Eclipse and generally if you start to develop in any technology, there's normally an official Eclipse plug-in for it but only some blog posts and half finished third party plug-in projects to support Netbeans development - the exception being most Sun/Oracle Java technologies.

      The problem with that is that unlike, say, OpenOffice.org, there's very little chance that there'll be a successful fork to pull NetBeans away from Oracle. There aren't enough non-Oracle people who depend on the environment and can't switch away if they have to.

      What one has to hope for is that there'll be a reaction to Eclipse in the longer term strong enough to encourage the development of a sane, simpler, alternative.

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    4. Re:Oracle Software by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Really? I thought Oracle is trying to emulate SPECTRE...

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  3. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Depends on your deployment environment. If your environment is Glassfish with JRuby as your runtime, Netbeans is a wonderful, logical choice as it has one-click deployment to Glassfish instances.

  4. Re:Who cares? by julioody · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once again showing that using the demographic you're in as sample leads to bad conclusions more often than not.

  5. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anybody who can get emacs running on a contemporary machine is clearly a hero.

    user@host$ sudo $PKG_TOOL $INSTALL_OPTS emacs && emacs
    ?

  6. Well, it's... not a bad idea by rubypossum · · Score: 2

    I support Eclipse dropping Ruby. It's a waste of time for them to support my favorite language. Eclipse is the peak of the Java wave. Nay, it is the very pinnacle of Gosling's genius. Anyone who looks at the incredible elegance of the system will quickly realize how unsuited it is to Ruby development. Ruby is just not ready for the brilliance of the Eclipse Development System. It was too shoddy, too tainted with the foul fumes of scripting languages. Practically reeks of Perl.

    Until Ruby is worthy we'll just have to settle for Textmate and Vim.

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    1. Re:Well, it's... not a bad idea by Kagetsuki · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic and I'm just not getting it, but first off as far as scripting languages go Ruby is possibly the cleanest I've ever seen - not to mention the functionality of the language is fantastic without having any of the weird quirks of say ECMA based languages. Eclipse on the other hand is a train wreck. I don't think I've ever gotten eclipse set up "properly" and every time I've used it it has managed to break itself or screw up packages or libraries or something. Honestly I've never had a good experience with eclipse. For Java development NetBeans was pretty clean and nice when I used it back in... the late 90's I think. It was slow as mud and used those awful Java display widgets but it was simple.

      Now I just said all that in response to what was probably not a serious comment to begin with. I say this because anyone using VIM is unlikely to be dealing with a bulky and messy free IDE designed around a language nobody really knows why they are using. While we're at it let me just drop another one: ANT is an awful build system and I hate it.

  7. Re:Who cares? by Lanteran · · Score: 2

    I use slackware you insensitive clod! I'm guessing its a poke at the *ubermassive* memory requirements of *16* MB RAM. To GP, It's OK, you can crawl out from under the rock. The war is over and we all use cat now, as men once did.

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  8. Re:Who cares? by tsm_sf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if your idea of programming is "editing" a couple of "scripts", then you're not a programmer.

    This little religious war gets trotted out every few months, and it always devolves into one final comment to the effect that if you're not using a sewing needle and a lodestone to flip the ones and zeroes manually then you're an effete momma's boy.

    Wanting something to be harder than it needs to be doesn't make you a professional or a "true" anything, it makes you a masochist.

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  9. Re:continue the support yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, considering he's not going to be making any money for the product that he's giving away for free, pardon him for not wanting to spend money to pay people to work on it. Sorry, but it's a business decision and Ruby support doesn't actually make them any money, especially if they're more interested in trying to sell Java-based solutions now that they own that.

    Part of the reason Sun was bought out was because they spent money on utterly pointless crap like adding Ruby support to Netbeans in the first place. A lot of developer effort that in no way helped them to stay in business. Whoever pulled the trigger on this did so because it was a waste of money for the company. The only possible thing it could do is get them a little good will from people who are unlikely to buy Oracle products anyways.

    Well that and most of the industry is past the Ruby phase anyhow. It really didn't pan out and even the diehards will have moved on in another decade. It's not like the language is going places.

  10. Re:Who cares? by pmontra · · Score: 2

    Exactly. I'm fine as long as emacs doesn't drop support for Ruby :-) I tried to use Netbeans and other IDEs but I never liked all the clutter around the code window. I use them only for Java when the customer forces me to.

  11. Re:Who cares? by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    32 transactions a second... wow. Impressive.

    I am only required to be able to support 60 thousand simultaneous transactions in the software I develop.

  12. Re:Who cares? by wzzzzrd · · Score: 2

    Pretty clueless you are. 32 TX/s ? That's nothing. I think I can guess what your "financial industry" is. And throwing JSP/ Spring/ WhateverFrontEndStuff in the same pot with EJB makes you even more clueless. Ever heard of separation of concerns? Frontend - Middleware - Backend? An EJB3 middleware app connected to a cobol backend (that's the setup most banks and insurance companies use) can easily handle thousands of asynchronous TX per second on common server hardware.

    RoR has it's place, even in the financial world, but that place is the front end, delivering HTML or whatever. But it never touches a backend system without going through middleware, you would be crazy to do that.

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  13. Re:Who cares? by hirnfurz · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does she like it?

  14. Re:Who cares? by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 2

    Wanting something to be harder than it needs to be doesn't make you a professional or a "true" anything, it makes you a masochist.

    Indeed, but people usually don't want things to be harder than it needs to be, they just don't want change.

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  15. Re:Who cares? by jdoss · · Score: 2

    My hatred was already maxed out for the null/empty-string screwup.

    It has been so long since I've been bitten by that particular "feature", I forgot about it entirely. Now that I remember: DAMN THEM. GOD DAMN THEM.