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Apple Hints At Near-Field Payments System In Next-Gen iPhone, iPad

An anonymous reader writes "The smartphone seems to be well on its way to becoming the next wallet; and Apple could be pushing that movement along. Reports from several outlets suggest the Cupertino, Calif.-based electronics giant has plans to put a near-field communications chip in the next versions of the iPhone and iPad for contactless payments technology. The latest report, from blog Apple Insider, says Apple has put up two job postings for two global payment platforms managers."

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  1. TFSite by SpeedyDX · · Score: 4, Informative

    The site is incredibly obnoxious. Ads pop up over the content from time to time. Avoid if possible. Hope someone can find an article on this on another site.

    1. Re:TFSite by commodore6502 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I installed adblock but then extricated it again, because I felt guilty. Ads are what pay for my free internet, free movies/dramas (TV), and free music (radio). I'd sooner deal with them than deal with a monthly subscription.

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    2. Re:TFSite by Squeeonline · · Score: 4, Funny

      There are ads on the internet? * temporarily turns off adblock* MY EYES!!!

    3. Re:TFSite by Andy+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not odd. Honest.

    4. Re:TFSite by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I installed adblock but then extricated it again, because I felt guilty. Ads are what pay for my free internet, free movies/dramas (TV), and free music (radio). I'd sooner deal with them than deal with a monthly subscription.

      I understand and share your dilemma. What I decided to do was install AdBlock, but not subscribe to any of the filter sets. When I come across obnoxious ads, I define a filter rule to block ads from that source.

      It took a little while, but generally I don't see the obnoxious ads anymore. The ones that aren't obnoxious don't bother me - I glance at them, then go on with my reading.

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    5. Re:TFSite by EvilIdler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not odd. Honest.

      Which IS odd these days!

    6. Re:TFSite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I installed adblock but then extricated it again, because I felt guilty. Ads are what pay for my free internet, free movies/dramas (TV), and free music (radio). I'd sooner deal with them than deal with a monthly subscription.

      Thank you! Your watching of annoying ads is what gets me free access to internet sites without viewing the ads. If it wasn't for the nice folks like you, those sites would either shutdown or paywall themselves. So, here's to you and others like you who view ads for me. Please know that you are much appreciated for this.

  2. different article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Several people commented on the ads and tracking cookies and whatnot on that site. Here's an alternate article on the same topic.

  3. I'll bite by laffer1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why do I want this? I'm more than willing to get a piece of plastic out of my wallet or on my keychain to pay for something. I can't wait for the hack that lets people walk by you and get you to pay for things. It's bad enough credit cards have RFID tags in them now. I don't need my phone doing it too.

    1. Re:I'll bite by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's bad enough credit cards have RFID tags in them now. I don't need my phone doing it too.

      I disagree, although I think we share some common ground. I just received my first credit card with an RFID embedded. I don't like it because in order to "turn it off" I have to wrap it in tinfoil. Thus, I do want NFP. With my phone, I can actually run an app and (assuming a reasonable interface) only turn on its ability to do payments when I want to use it. It removes a security risk (or at least changes it from a risk from anyone who is near me to a risk from anyone who can remotely hack into my device and extract and decrypt info.

  4. Why all the fuss by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've seen a lot of stories pop up around this, but I'm not quite sure why - for one thing, doesn't the most recent Google Android phone already include an NFC chip and support in the OS? So it's not like Apple is the first here, they haven't even confirmed they are doing it!

    Also, in more general terms, I don't know why people get freaked out about this. It's just another way to pay for things.

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  5. Re:Can the chip be removed or disabled? by oliverthered · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .can this chip be disabled, or even better, removed or not added as an option?

    Yes don't buy an iphone etc...

    I'm trying to go more cash as it is...keep CC spending down..

    and you wonder why they are doing this?

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  6. Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    First Steve Jobs invents the computer. Then he invents the GUI. Then he invents the MP3 player. Then he invent the cell phone. Then he invents the tablet computer. Now he invents NFC. The man is single-handedly inventing everything!

  7. cost? by green1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My carrier recently rolled out a phone based payment system, I was asked to be part of the trial. I declined.

    They want me to spend $1.50 per transaction to use it. I can use my debit card for free, I can use cash for free, and my visa card actually pays me to use it, why on earth would I want to give my carrier $1.50 for each transaction? I don't pay bank fees, they already get the privilege of using my money while it's in their care, I refuse to pay money to get access to it.

  8. Apple as a bank by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Near-field" isn't the issue. It's that Apple wants to be a payment processor, handling payments through iTunes and skimming off part of the transaction.

    We need a crackdown on payment systems run by non-banks. PayPal is generally agreed to be terrible at handling problems and acts irresponsibly with the money of others. Most of PayPal's competitors are worse. Payment systems need to be run only by companies subject to regulation as banks.

    1. Re:Apple as a bank by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cause banks have a long history of honesty and stability!

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  9. Re:Taxation Without Representation by Hebbinator · · Score: 4, Informative

    I also think they should give out free puppies because one if by day, two if by night! Or Four Score and Seven Years Ago or something.

    Co-opting historically patriotic catchphrases does not prove your point, it only underlines your lack of understanding about free economy and government. The fact that you dont like paying surcharges does not make this a constitutional matter.

    Paypal is a value-added service (many would argue against this, though), and it costs money to run it. If you dont like it, mail a check, or fly over to sweden or wherever wikileaks is now and pay them cash. By the way, checks cost you money. As do plane tickets. And ATM charges.

  10. Re:Can the chip be removed or disabled? by icebike · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sorry, its too late tow worry about it being only an Apple thing.

    The Nexus S phone already has NFC already. Apple is definitely behind on NFC. Google already has a processing consortium set up with Barclay's and credit card clearing houses to handle the payments.

    You can always turn it off and carry your less secure credit cards, or vastly less secure cash.

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  11. Re:Can the chip be removed or disabled? by node+3 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Less secure? Neither cash nor credit cards can be scanned without removing them from my pocket.

    Both can be removed from your pocket. Once removed, cash is 100% insecure, and credit cards can be easily used until fraud/theft is discovered and the card is disabled.

    And neither of them can be hacked into without my knowledge.

    Cash has no need to be hacked (though it actually can, and sometimes is). And every time you hand over your credit card, you open it up to exploit.

    Sure I still have to look out for skimmers and be mindful who I allow to handle them, but all in all they're a lot more secure than NFC is. Remember NFC is just an extension to RFID which is known to be riddled with security problems.

    Such as? It uses public key encryption. You can't just "clone" someone's NFC phone, and start making purchases. As a phone owner, you can enable further security mechanisms, which make it far more secure than either cash or traditional credit cards.