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Egypt Coming Back On the 'net

An anonymous reader wrote in with the good news that after 5 days of blackout, "Egypt is coming back on-line. Some sites that didn't used to be available and are now back include two telcos: Vodafone Egypt and Etisalat Egypt. Guess that we can't have those IPv4 addresses back after all then."

137 comments

  1. Wow by gcnaddict · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Guess that we can't have those IPv4 address back after all then."

    Okay, that was good.

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    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rally wood.

  2. Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Suki+I · · Score: 0

    Egyptians and their fans too, of course.

    1. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'll hold off cheering until AFTER they install a democ government.

      but for some reason, I suspect it will be a muslim-based one. in which case, we are now WORSE off.

      change - for change sake - does not always get us what we were hoping for.

      I'll hold off cheering until I see WHO is going to run that country.

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    2. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Suki+I · · Score: 1

      I'll hold off cheering until AFTER they install a democ government.

      but for some reason, I suspect it will be a muslim-based one. in which case, we are now WORSE off.

      change - for change sake - does not always get us what we were hoping for.

      I'll hold off cheering until I see WHO is going to run that country.

      I am cheering this event and only this event thankyouverymuch.

    3. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by commodore6502 · · Score: 0

      I actually had a classmate tell me, "Internet is not an essential liberty" in response to my facebook post about Egypt's censorship. And he calls himself a Republican and quotes Benjamin Franklin's essential liberty phrase on his page.

      He then unfriended me. Jackass. Why are people so foolish that they think they don't have the right to free speech? (Or travel, or privacy in their homes, et cetera.)

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    4. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Haedrian · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Benjamin Franklin didn't know about the internet.

    5. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what about these egyptians?

    6. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by commodore6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But he was a Newspaper man. Had he lived in today's world, he would have been publishing Blogs and News articles online, and objected to the concept that he is not allowed to do so. Internet == freedom of the press. And speech.

      No government has a right to stick a muzzle in your mouth & prevent you from exercising your Nature-given right to express yourself (or share the thoughts running through your brain).

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    7. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by ToadProphet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll hold off cheering until AFTER they install a democ government.

      but for some reason, I suspect it will be a muslim-based one. in which case, we are now WORSE off.

      change - for change sake - does not always get us what we were hoping for.

      I'll hold off cheering until I see WHO is going to run that country.

      Assuming you are not from Egypt...

      Why would that be worse for you? Why is this about what you are looking for? Shouldn't it be about want Egyptians want?

      If you deny those people the right to live under a government of their choosing, which may not be a western Liberal Democracy (which is what you really mean), you've created a whole new problem.

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    8. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by dave420 · · Score: 0

      Surely that's guesswork, as Franklin isn't alive today, and will never be alive today, so you have no way of knowing that. Maybe you should rephrase your certainty.

    9. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by outsider007 · · Score: 1

      Dude... it's not about you.

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    10. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Nadaka · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      America is not a western liberal democracy. It is western, absolutely not liberal, and a democracy in name only. The following statements are true:

      The Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East seek to establish a global caliphate, convert or execute all infidels, overthrow reason and science, rescind the last thousand years of social and ethical progress, and have all people submit to the absolute authority of a few wealthy imam.

      The Christian fundamentalists in the US seek to establish a global church, convert or execute all heathens, overthrow reason and science, rescind the last thousand years of social and ethical progress, and have all people submit to the absolute authority of a few wealthy preachers.

    11. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      So... if I fall off a building, I should not worry about the impact and cheer the fact that I am flying?

    12. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      Right. Given what we actually know about B. Franklin. The only thing we can say for sure is that he would be into hookers and blow.

    13. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by commodore6502 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You think Franklin would be In Favor of shutting-down the internet, having women's breasts & men's penises fondled at airports, and other anti-freedom measures that make people feel like Slaves instead of free human beings?

      If so, you know nothing of the man.
      All it requires is some READING (old concept but still valid) to realize where Franklin stood on these issues - "Anybody who would give us *essential* liberty for *temporary* security, deserve neither." He was also the one who went to Britain to broker a peace, had insults hurled at him by the parliament, and came back and said, "Revolt," in order to regain the British Rights that had been taken-away from the colonists. i.e. He loved liberty so much, he advised civil war.

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    14. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      Well, you would be falling... likely not flying. So yes, if falling excites you, then run with it... no need to worry about the inevitable, it will be quick and rather painless anyways.

      Assuming the building, or the height at which you began falling is tall enough that it would kill you... if you are sort of falling/stumbling down the side of a pyramid, it would probably be a good idea to attempt to prevent yourself from falling further, since there's the possibility you will live, but not be happy that you did if you just "go with the flow" in that case.

    15. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by HaZardman27 · · Score: 1

      Well worrying won't stop gravity, so what do you really have to lose?

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    16. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do I vote for him?

    17. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Why would a muslim-based one be worse than the current dictator based one or our christian-based one? The muslims in Egypt are very moderate compared to others in that region. The whole muslim world wants to be more moderate, that's one of the reason you see the young uprising in those regions that and it's unemployment and poverty rates since you could say extremism and poverty seems to be closely linked. The current favorite if Egypt will have it's government prematurely ended is a liberal muslim a lot like Ron Paul a couple of years ago (Republican yet liberal).

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    18. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Duradin · · Score: 1

      Fondled != frisked.

      (Also, you forgot a "think of the children". Every rant like yours needs a "think of the children" to be truly effective.)

    19. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Dr.+Hellno · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't it be about want Egyptians want?

      Egyptians are probably going to get what they want, or at least what they want at the instant of transition. That doesn't mean it won't be bad for us, them, and the rest of the world as well. I haven't read up on the Iranian revolution, but superficially the protests in Egypt seem similar- they're not really about anything, except the removal of Mubarak; a large proportion of the population is Muslim; and there's no obvious candidate to fill the leadership vacuum.
      It's easy to imagine Egypt voting for a new government not unlike Iran's, and that's the last thing anybody needs- including the Egyptians.

    20. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Buelldozer · · Score: 1

      Okay, first off why is a "Muslim" government necessarily a bad one?

      Second, why can a "Muslim" government inherently not be Democratic?

      Third, how is the rest of the world worse off if Egyptians choose a Muslim government for their country?

    21. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      I think most of us pretty much hear this and go..."Who cares?"

      I mean...it really doesn't affect me and my life much at this point. Hope they work it out over there in Egypt, but not really a concern for most people in their daily lives.

      On positive aspect of all this...the Egyptian riots did knock the Charlie Sheen story off the headlines...I guess that is worth something.

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    22. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      "The Christian fundamentalists in the US seek to establish a global church, convert or execute all heathens, overthrow reason and science, rescind the last thousand years of social and ethical progress, and have all people submit to the absolute authority of a few wealthy preachers."

      Wow..mind telling me which church you went to that actually spouted this kind of dogma?

      I mean, sure, they do like to convert people, but I've never seen or heard of a christian church that wanted to do everything you said. On the other hand...I HAVE heard the muslims say they wanted to do much of that. I've yet to hear any christians say they wanted to kill any non-believers and have the church rule the world....

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    23. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      "I actually had a classmate tell me, "Internet is not an essential liberty"

      While I understand the importance of the internet today...I would still have a hard time defining it as an essential liberty?!?!

      It is an aid...a luxury, and make communication easier, but so did the telephone in its day, yet, I don't regard that as an essential liberty either.

      I guess I don't see technology as an essential liberty. Sure, if they are available, they are an aid to defending and re-acquiring your essential liberties...but I don't consider them liberties in and of themselves.

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    24. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      The last thing you want is the pervy TSA thinking of the children while they grope people in the airports.

    25. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Facebeast · · Score: 0

      Fondled != frisked.

      Don't be facetious. You know damn well he was pointing out an example the massive invasion of privacy that follows from the removal of personal freedoms. This is just one example of governments treating us like criminals (CCTV, keeping fingerprint and DNA data of people question but not charged by police, US government monitoring our internet traffic) without justification. We aren't even guilty until proven innocent any more; we have to keep on proving ourselves innocent over and over again.

      (Also, you forgot a "think of the children". Every rant like yours needs a "think of the children" to be truly effective.)

      I think you got this somewhat the wrong way round. It's the "think of the children" line that is wheeled out to justify sacrificing liberty time and time again, not defending it.

    26. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Lumbre · · Score: 1

      Why are people so foolish that they think they don't have the right to free speech? (Or travel, or privacy in their homes, et cetera.)

      People do have a right to free speech (I'm assuming you were going towards US constitutional rights). However, they may not have a right to using the medium. Things don't construct and maintain themselves magically. You need manpower, which converts to money, to do it. If you want the Internet, you A) pay a private company for your usage of the medium, or B) pay a public company (aka government) to give access to the Internet.

      You're welcome to go ahead and dig trenches connecting cities, states, and countries.

      Eventually, whether I agree with it or not, I believe Internet companies are going to be regulated and managed like the essentials: electricity, gas, and water.

    27. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Nadaka · · Score: 0

      An Islamic government abdicates all authority to Islamic religious leaders. Leaders (and followers) who believe that their words are the words of god and are therefore absolute law. When you have a tiny cabal of wealthy religious people making all decisions for a nation because it is the will of their god, you don't have a real democracy even if voting is allowed because the only opinions that matter are those of the religious leaders.

    28. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      I'd say they should elect a new pharaoh, but the whole thing would probably just turn into a big pyramid scheme.

    29. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      I grew up in a christian fundamentalist church. And that is what they preached (except the wealthy part, the guy who got 10% of several hundred peoples income kept that on the down low). This is far, far more common than you think. A lot of these groups don't preach the hardcore stuff publicly or use euphemisms and innuendo to set a tone without explicitly calling for the inquisition to start burning heretics at the stake. But its there, you just have to know what to look for.

    30. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't it be about want Egyptians want?

      Only so long as they want a democratic form of governance. Statistically speaking, there is a very clear causation that democracy translates to peace and prosperity with the likelihood of war being dramatically reduced - especially with another democratic government.

      So basically, factually, statistically speaking, its better for the Egyptian people and the rest of the world if they have some form of a democratic government. Period.

      And as the middle east's long history proves, any other form of government is well established to create instability and stomp of human rights. So regardless of what they want, everyone is worse off if they don't get a democracy.

      You seem to forget that not everyone's opinion is of equal weight. The simple fact is, if they want anything short of a democracy or republic, its because they are ignorant and brain washed. History is full of tales of the ignorant and brainwashed getting what they wished for only to find out they and the rest of the world will suffer for their stupidity and ignorance, arrogance. Unfortunately, that's the basic tale of the whole of the middle east as well as many other parts of the world.

      Sometimes when you're completely ignorant, you have no clue as to what you need. And what you want, frequently has absolutely nothing to do with what you need.

      Besides, the global population has very clearly spoken. Anyone who isn't brainwashed, absolutely prefers some form of governance which allows for a voice of the people; which largely means a democracy or republic. Likewise, those who tend to not like that form of governance are almost universally brainwashed with some form of theocracy.

      So yes, regardless of what they want - I absolutely hope they are plagued with the burdens of freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which can almost only be provided by democracy or a republic.

    31. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trolls, dont feed them. Best thing to do is let mods take care of it.

    32. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by peragrin · · Score: 0

      All christain church's believe that to one extant or another. Most of them won't admit it, But leave them in power long enough and it will happen. Look at the catholic church's response to pedophile priests. Priests were automatically assumed to be innocent because they were priests.

      I personally have witnessed church politics and as such I now no longer attend. I stopped dating someone and the entire church turned their backs on me,

      That was from one of the more liberal churches too.

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    33. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Omestes · · Score: 1

      but for some reason, I suspect it will be a muslim-based one. in which case, we are now WORSE off.

      Assuming your not Egyptian; who cares if WE are worse off? Its their country, they should be able to pick their own damn government, no matter how much we dislike it. Our government is, in a way, a Christian based one, something about 90% of our population being Christian. Much of the world would probably doesn't like this.

      Reading about this revolution, and the parties involved, no one comes off as a Muslim extremist. Reading what the Muslim Brotherhood (who last I checked wasn't that much involved in the current issue) wants... none of it is terribly "extremist". As long as they get some flavor of actual democracy, and toss out their corrupt dictator I don't much care what happens there. I'd be happy for them no matter what, as long as a Taliban type theocracy/tyranny doesn't erupt (which doesn't seem terribly likely in this case).

      America's desires mean jack shit to the rest of the world. As an American I'm perfectly okay with this, we don't give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about us, so why the hell should anyone care what we think about them?

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    34. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Some of them, on the other hand, want to bring about the second coming of Jesus, and thus the end of the world. Meaning death and damnation to billions of people.

      Sure, they are killing people now, but its the thought that counts.

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    35. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      the guy who got 10% of several hundred peoples income kept that on the down low

      Probably less than 1% unless your church met in alleys or parks and had no charitable giving programs. There are a lot of legitimate expenditures whenever you get a lot of people together on a regular basis on land that their group owns, to sing songs that they probably have to pay performance licensing fees for.
      Also, Jesus didn't teach "Death to the Pharasees!" or "Death to the Pagans!". The closest he got was telling his followers to buy swords before he was crucified (a caution that they'll need to defend themselves, not attack others).

      its there, you just have to know what to look for.

      It's not there at all, and my guess is you're reading your own beliefs into their comments.

    36. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      You think Franklin would be In Favor of [..] having women's breasts & men's penises fondled

      You're talking about Benjamin Franklin, right? Founding father? Notorious lecher?

    37. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmmm, open your eyes every once in a while, will you? And watch or read some news, preferably not american mainstream.

      Protip: Intelligent design, rejecting evolution, etc. America is going down the crapper because those motherfucking churchies are do damn powerful. They might be a minority, yes, but they're extremely vocal and seemingly have lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of money, and they're buying Washington wholesale.

    38. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by screwzloos · · Score: 1

      Extremists will be extremists wherever you go.

      As an Atheist living in one of the most right-wing Bible thumping states in the US, I have not been cast out or stoned or burned at the stake for my heresy lately, so I still feel pretty safe (at least in that sense) living here. I am not sure it would be the same if I chose to move to one of the more fundamentalist parts of the Middle East.

      Opinions may vary, but at least from what I understand, the idea of separation of church and state holds a little stronger here than there.

      You're probably just trolling anyways, though.

    39. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Nadaka · · Score: 0

      the guy who got 10% of several hundred peoples income kept that on the down low

      Probably less than 1% unless your church met in alleys or parks and had no charitable giving programs. There are a lot of legitimate expenditures whenever you get a lot of people together on a regular basis on land that their group owns, to sing songs that they probably have to pay performance licensing fees for.

      Also, Jesus didn't teach "Death to the Pharasees!" or "Death to the Pagans!". The closest he got was telling his followers to buy swords before he was crucified (a caution that they'll need to defend themselves, not attack others).

      its there, you just have to know what to look for.

      It's not there at all, and my guess is you're reading your own beliefs into their comments.

      I am not talking about what Jesus taught. I am talking about what christian fundamentalists teach. I was an insider, I was one of them. I know first hand how evil, corrupt and two faced they are. If you are a "compassionate christian" you likely have no idea what is happening on the other side of your faith, both through inexperience and willful ignorance.

      It is hard to tell if Jesus was a good hearted crazy guy who thought he was the son of god, or if he was a manipulator pushing his political agenda (however benign it may or may not have been) by taking advantage of peoples faith and superstitions. If you can't see a major divergence between christian dogma and the handful good things that Jesus had to say, you need to open your eyes.

    40. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by commodore6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>Fondled != frisked.

      Multiple passengers have been fondled, with the Brownshirt SA sticking their hands down men's pants or up women's blouses. One woman, who is filing a lawsuit, had her breast exposed and groped. Later an SA agent commented, "You have nice ones - wish I had been the one touching you."

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    41. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      As atheists, You and I are mostly physically safe, for now.

      If things keep going the way they are, the US could be as bad of an oppressive theocracy as the worst parts of the middle east within our lifetime.

    42. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      While I understand the importance of the internet today...I would still have a hard time defining it as an essential liberty?!?!

      It is an aid...a luxury, and make communication easier, but so did the telephone in its day, yet, I don't regard that as an essential liberty either.

      Maybe it should be...then everyone can get internet to their homes as a government subsidy. Just sayin. :P

    43. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by sjames · · Score: 1

      You might as well! It's not like worry is going to generate any lift.

    44. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 1

      I suspect it will be a muslim-based one. in which case, we are now WORSE off.

      We will be worse off? I am sorry to burst your bubble but it is not about us, it is about the Egyptians. We (I assume you are from the US) were doing fine before this all happened, Egyptians were getting tortured and murdered by the police on a routine basis, not to mention living in poverty for the most part. I don't think they care what it means for us, and I don't blame them for not caring. It was the US that supported the current government so they will probably be glad that the end of torture and murder for them means a small difference in the pockets of the richest westerners.

      I also don't see what religion has to do with it, it is a muslim country, the current government is predominantly muslim, the population is predominantly muslim. The fact that you would even imagine the possibility of a non muslim government betrays embarrassing ignorance on your part. Perhaps you would prefer they all convert to catholicism and pledge allegiance to the pope. I suppose you think that would result in a wonderful new peace loving democracy and profits for all patriotic Americans. Sometimes I am ashamed for even reading this website.

    45. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      Franklin was a sufficiently successful ladies' man that he never needed to purchase their affections. Blow maybe, but not hookers.

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    46. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Okay, first off why is a "Muslim" government necessarily a bad one?

      Because all theocracies are implicitly corrupt and evil, and a muslim one would also be disciminatory.

      Second, why can a "Muslim" government inherently not be Democratic?

      Because it's a theocracy.

      Third, how is the rest of the world worse off if Egyptians choose a Muslim government for their country?

      Because Islamic theocracies cause trouble. See Afghanistan and Iran.

      Note that it's possible to have a democratic government whose members happen to be Muslim. That's not the same as a Muslim government.

    47. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, thank you for taking your own personal experiences and chalking it up to how the majority of the (Christian) world works.

      Any large groups are going to have their wingnuts. I know people who call themselves fundamentalists and have absolutly ZERO interest in what you said. Guess what - Fundamentalist is a label, and people choose to use that label to mean different things.

      Unfortuantly spouting such hate filled retoric as what you do basically labels all people who call themselves fundamentalist with the same brush stroke.

      I do believe you were a part of that inner circle you mentioned - hell you sound just like this group you were a part of, just now batting for the other team.

    48. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Funny - I hear religious people say the same thing. "If things keep going the way they are..."

      Maybe your both, i don't know, a little paranoid? Yes there's people that want to join the church and state again. There's also people that want to ban allowing all religions. And there's a third group that believes that jam will evolve into a higher life form and wipe us all out.

      Stop living in fear of the boogyman and get on with your life already. Yesh.

    49. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      How is what I am saying "hate filled retoric"? It isn't hate filled rhetoric to call an evil, corrupt and two faced person/group/system evil corrupt and two faced. It is called being honest. I have not said one hateful thing, not made one personal attack.

      And what is this "other team" am I batting for? Rationality? Awareness? Freedom? Justice? Good? DAMN RIGHT I AM.

      I have an ethical responsibility to speak out against irrationality, evil, corruption, deception and hate when I see it. I may not be able to defeat them, but I will make damn sure that everyone sees them for what they really are. You can cry and spit and scream about how horrible I am for confronting your bullshit all you want. I will not be silent. I will not submit. I will not relent. It won't change my defiance, my righteous indignation.

      "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." – Edmund Burke

    50. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    51. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Duradin · · Score: 1

      Just how many sock puppet accounts do you have commodore64_love? Are you (the new) Westlake?

    52. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll-o-lo-lo-lo-lo-lol-lol-lol-lol-lol, troll-o-lol-o-lol!

    53. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      I am not talking about what Jesus taught. I am talking about what christian fundamentalists teach. I was an insider, I was one of them. I know first hand how evil, corrupt and two faced they are. If you are a "compassionate christian" you likely have no idea what is happening on the other side of your faith, both through inexperience and willful ignorance.

      I am a Christian fundamentalist. The point of fundamentalism is getting back to the fundamentals of Christianity, i.e. what Jesus taught. Fundamentalist churches are a lot more extreme in their forgiveness, charity, and outreach than more established churches. They're also less structured, so you can end up with a church hiring the wrong preacher more often (maybe what happened at your church).

    54. Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      Any large enough group of people will have politics, cliques, mob mentality and an us versus them attitude towards outsiders. These attitudes are by no means the exclusive property of religious groups.

      It sucks that you were on the receiving end of it.

  3. Right to Bear Internet Arms by Tokolosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Access to the internet and other forms of communication are one of our arms we have in defense of our liberties. The internet should therefore fall under the protection of the 2nd Amendment. Resist the kill-switch!

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    1. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by commodore6502 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually the internet falls under Amendment 10: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution..... are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." In other words neither the Union Congress, the President, nor the Supreme Court were ever delegated the power to turn-off the internet.

      That power is reserved to the Member States in perpetuity, until such time as they amend the Constitution to give that power to the central government. Which has not happened.

      The power to turn-off the net remains in the hands of your Local Legislature, which is where it should be - close to the people. (My legislator lives on the same street as me - if he ever turned off my internet, I and my neighbors would probably toilet paper the house.)

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    2. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that the constitution of the USA is limited to, well, the USA, and the Egypt is not the USA, right? Besides, I can't see how guns and rifles that can kill or injure people are comparable to the Internet.

    3. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Well, i agree with the fact that Egypt isn't a state, however the constitution of the united states says nowhere, "gun".
      It says 'arms', which means anything that can protect with offensive force as well as defensive.

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    4. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      No, it means "an instrument used with the aim of causing harm or death".

    5. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by arkane1234 · · Score: 2

      Getting a little tinfoil hat'ish?

      Besides, if this happened in the United States, before you blinked an eye most of the major internet providers would be down due to "national security". The infrastructure is very fragile in the US, as the 'net is mostly corporate run and with a little phone calling and martial law put into effect, you'd see no packets. Cell phone transmissions would be severed as well, or at least governed.
      The constitution is not a shield in that "worst case" scenario of a civil uprising, unfortunately. It's only something to use as legal ammo after everything happens for lawsuits.

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    6. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by Nadaka · · Score: 0

      obligatory: http://xkcd.com/504/

    7. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Interstate Commerce clause.

      Look it up.

    8. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by fahlesr1 · · Score: 1
    9. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by Buelldozer · · Score: 1

      Many of the things that Congress does fall under Amendment 10. Unfortunately they've used the Interstate Commerce Clause to short-circuit the 10th and somehow they got the Supreme Court to go along with it.

      Here's a fun thought exercise. With the Constitution in mind think about specific things that the Federal Government does, either through agencies or law making.

      Now try and find justification for those things according to a black letter reading of the Constitution.

      Here is an example to get you started. Most of the agencies involved in the "War on Drugs" owe their existence to the torturing of the I.C.C., as does the legal status of the drugs themselves.

      There's about 1 million more examples I could give but it would grow tiresome and the point is better served if the reader does their own work.

    10. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      2 words: Commerce clause

    11. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by commodore6502 · · Score: 1

      2 words:

      "INTRAstate commerce" aka Commerce INSIDE the states. It is reserved, by amendment 10, to the Member State Legislatures/parliaments. The Union government has no business to interfere with local businesses that only transfer money from in-state customers.

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    12. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by kubernet3s · · Score: 1

      True dat. High school social studies: pretty much everything congress does, they do through the ICC. That is, or course, as long as that thing crosses state lines, which seems fair to me. I'm pretty for federalism, myself.

    13. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by WWWWolf · · Score: 1

      Access to the internet and other forms of communication are one of our arms we have in defense of our liberties. The internet should therefore fall under the protection of the 2nd Amendment. Resist the kill-switch!

      Oh, those Americans and their explosive solutions! I keep thinking of the old publication from pirate radio folks called "Radio Is My Bomb". The more nefarious sort of governments might make case that the Internet is exactly like unregulated radio broadcasting (normal people who are talking about stuff that might offend some other people, while playing some music with naughty words and luscious rhythms!), and as such it's not governed by laws guaranteeing free ownership of guns, but rather the laws guaranteeing not-so-free ownership of bombs. ...the kind of laws that recently put people in Gitmo, see.

      OK, seriously, though: here in Finland, we have legislators talking about the "right to broadband". Which isn't exactly a constitutional right, and it just practically means that ISPs must provide fairly priced and affordable broadband Internet connections to every household. But it sure sounds grandiose, doesn't it? The legislators say that the Internet is necessary for people getting through their day-to-day life and using government services, but why can't we just go out and say that it's nowadays starting to be a necessity for communications in general? Why couldn't access to the Internet be a basic human right, in that government shouldn't stop people from doing that? Isn't it high time that the legislators should specifically guarantee freedom of online communications and the right to access global communications infrastructure?

    14. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Internet. Look it up. Does it say "Network of computers with the sole and express purpose of facilitating commerce?"

      If the Commerce clause gives the federal government the right to regulate commerce on the Internet (which I think is obvious), then fine, but it does not grant the government the right to turn the whole damn thing off under the guise of "regulating commerce" because commerce is not the only thing which happens on the Internet.

    15. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until you learn how to address the criticisms of others instead of repeating your own copypasta, everything you say will be regarded as a troll.

      Have a nice day. :)

    16. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, well, if Congress stuck strictly to the letter of what the Constitution says it's supposed to do, it would never have financed the building of the Internet in the first place.

      Careful what you wish for.

    17. Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      I understand that state governments and lower have the right develop their own kill switches for their portion of the internet.

      However, I don't think any government should have the power to turn off their section of the internet. Can you imagine the chaos if state governments had kill switches and used them during perceived emergencies?

  4. Dirty tactics by Zoolander · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It doesn't take much of a conspiracy theorist to see what's probably happening here: first make a speech to the people talking a lot about stability and warning of chaos, then bring the net back up, send in paid thugs - confirmed as poiice in plain clothes - to attack the protesters, letting the world see the 'chaos the protests have caused' Mubarack: certified asshole, but a smart one.

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    1. Re:Dirty tactics by Deefburger · · Score: 1

      He's doing what DC has told him is the contingency plan. Same plan for the US when the Fed collapses....

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  5. Cannot load english.aljazeera.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else having trouble reaching english.aljazeera.net in the U.S.? It stopped coming up for me yesterday, and is going on 24 hours since I've been able to access it. I don't see anything in the news about why it might be down. Just wondering if anyone else is having problems.

    1. Re:Cannot load english.aljazeera.net by Meneth · · Score: 2
    2. Re:Cannot load english.aljazeera.net by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Anyone else having trouble reaching english.aljazeera.net in the U.S.? It stopped coming up for me yesterday, and is going on 24 hours since I've been able to access it. I don't see anything in the news about why it might be down. Just wondering if anyone else is having problems.

      Yes, it is "unofficially" censored in the US - that is, censored due to political pressure in the same way that Paypal/Amazon/Visa/Mastercard/BOA were "encouraged" by the administration to censor Wikileaks. At least they have not bombed their offices (yet) as Bush Jr wanted.

    3. Re:Cannot load english.aljazeera.net by kevinNCSU · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you're talking about as far as the US censoring Al Jazeera, I live in the US and both the site and the satellite channel work just fine.

    4. Re:Cannot load english.aljazeera.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try reading the linked articles.

    5. Re:Cannot load english.aljazeera.net by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 1

      See this very recent coverage of the effective US cable and satellite carriers blackout of Al Jazeera, apart from "a handful of homes in the United States". (Your obviously one of the lucky few - care to name who your provider is?)

      Historically this blackout has been due to pressure from the US Government on cable providers. From Washington Embraces Al Jazeera linked earlier:

      "On April 11 senior [US] military spokesperson Mark Kimmitt declared, “The stations that are showing Americans intentionally killing women and children are not legitimate news sources. That is propaganda, and that is lies.” On April 15 Donald Rumsfeld echoed those remarks in distinctly undiplomatic terms, calling Al Jazeera’s reporting “vicious, inaccurate and inexcusable. It’s disgraceful what that station is doing.” It was the very next day, according to the Daily Mirror, that Bush told Blair of his plan. “He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere,” a source told the Mirror. “There’s no doubt what Bush wanted to do"

  6. Vodafone Egypt by Cimexus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well if Vodafone Egypt is anything like Vodafone Australia, the distinction between the network being 'on' or 'off' will be difficult to spot! :P

    1. Re:Vodafone Egypt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      +5 insightful is more accurate than funny. Vodafone Italia has always been virtually unusable.

    2. Re:Vodafone Egypt by mibus · · Score: 1

      ...and on a day I don't have mod-points, too :)

  7. Rolling back? by cloude-pottier · · Score: 4, Funny

    I imagine that Egypt's ISPs tried cutting over to IPv6-only infrastructure. This is all just a coincidence, nothing to do with the protests. I'm glad they've rolled back to IPv4 though, we can't be depriving people of access to Twitter and Facebook.

    1. Re:Rolling back? by arkane1234 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think we should put Twitter and Facebook on the IPv4 network and move everything else over to IPv6.
      It'll be Darwinian Theory at it's finest.

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  8. Check Mate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Internet is back up after Mubarak knew his deceiving speech will create a divide among the youth. No they'll give them the internet back to fight and spread fear. A massacre is currently taking place in egypt and bullets are being fired and the army has withdrawn its troops to allow the secret police to attack the few that will stand their ground. Democracy lost and the whole world is watching its slow death.

  9. I'm Egyptian by mhh91 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they only brought back the internet to make people go home without internet,more people joined the protests because they had nothing better to do anyway now,people are urging others to join the protests via social networking sites I don't think the Egyptian government can do anything about these protests really,other than stepping down,that is

    1. Re:I'm Egyptian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      These protests are incredible!

      And about time.

      I went to school with a few Egyptians and they were constantly telling me that they wanted a Democracy. Unfortunately, the US government, my Government, was giving that asshole Mubarak billions of dollars a year in "aid" so that we could have an Arab "friend" in the region - of course pissing off the Arab peoples and giving them yet more reasons to hate me and my country (justified).

      I really hope you and your people get what you wish for and I really really hope my Government doesn't fuck things up for you folks.

      --May Allah be with you and your people.

    2. Re:I'm Egyptian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some Muslims are terrorists, so I have to hate all Muslims (justified). Or were you referring to formatting (justified)?

    3. Re:I'm Egyptian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's far more complicated than that. Mubarek is a bad guy, but what's the alternative? The Muslim Brotherhood assasinated Sadat (Mubarek's predecessor) and attempted to assasinate Nasser (Sadat's predecessor) and wants to restart the Arab-Israeli wars and they seem like a likely candidate for take-over. I have hope for ElBaradei, but he seems to have Muslim Brotherhood ties.

      There is an assumption in the US that a democratic revolution will bring about a peaceful, friendly regime. The reality is that throughout history quick democratic revolutions are usually violent, and more often than not lead to some new despot taking power and things going back to the way they were. Just look at the history of Africa and Southeast Asia for the latter half of the 20th century. The US was lucky that our revolution from British rule did not turn out that way; that kind of change historically is the exception, not the norm.

      Mubarek is not the best, but since Egypt is the most powerful Arab country he was very useful in calming the region down, which is why the US supported him. Historically the major events in the Middle East involved Egypt leading or at least participating; Mubarek kept Egypt out of the conflicts which quelled most of the other Arab nations. Personally, I prefer options in this order:

      1) a friendly, democratic, peaceful government
      2) Mubarek, a PITA dictator who while restricting civil liberties and having rampant corruption, was not expansionist or anti-semetic and generally didn't start any wars
      3) a militant Islamic, anti-semitic government

      I think most people might agree with the order of those options, I just don't see option 1 being a likely outcome of this situation. So if 2 goes away, we're left with 3. That's not a good thing for anyone.

    4. Re:I'm Egyptian by tobiah · · Score: 1

      I was wondering about that. In the US there's always a mini baby boom nine months after a major power outage knocks out the TVs. 'Cause, you know, we were "protesting".

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    5. Re:I'm Egyptian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a room.

    6. Re:I'm Egyptian by Deefburger · · Score: 1

      I second that! The people everywhere are under the same thumb of "Print money and power whenever they want" tyranny, including US! God bless the Egyptians and I wish them all and their loved ones happiness and prosperity for their future.

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  10. There was a joke circulating around ... by kubis · · Score: 5, Funny

    What are eGyptians without Internet? Gyptians! ;)

  11. Battle in the main square: Not looking good... by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 2

    Not looking good on the live stream: Plain clothes government paid thugs are attacking the demonstrating Egyptian public, trying to make them all go home.

    Al Jazeera media network is by far the best coverage, but unfortunately it is more or less censored in the US apart from the above live stream (Censored in the same way that Paypal/Visa/MCard "censored" wikileaks, that is).

    1. Re:Battle in the main square: Not looking good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not looking good on the live stream: Plain clothes government paid thugs are attacking the demonstrating Egyptian public, trying to make them all go home.

      Al Jazeera media network is by far the best coverage, but unfortunately it is more or less censored in the US apart from the above live stream (Censored in the same way that Paypal/Visa/MCard "censored" wikileaks, that is).

      Ah, the paid thugs must be government and not Muslim Brotherhood. I see where you are coming from. You saw the receipts, right?

    2. Re:Battle in the main square: Not looking good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better that a receipt: The links they gave show that the pro government "supporters" (i.e. "paid thugs") that have been captured and turned over to the army, all just happen to have police ID's...

    3. Re:Battle in the main square: Not looking good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe it's actually censored in the U.S. It's just not carried by the major U.S. cable companies. If the cable companies really wanted to they could carry al jazeera english.

      I wish they would actually as i'm intrigued to see their take on world issues in general as the U.S. media always reports things from a very self-obsessed point of view.

    4. Re:Battle in the main square: Not looking good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe it's actually censored in the U.S. Wikileaks is just not allowed to use Paypal, Visa, Mastercard, Amazon or Bank Of America. As the GP pointed out: If that's not politically motivated censorship, then I guess this isn't either.

    5. Re:Battle in the main square: Not looking good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you have BBC World News?

      Here in my corner of the world I can pick up Al Jazeera with a small (90cm) dish from 3 or 4 different satellites. Also BBC World News, Sky News, France 24, etc. All in english, all quite good.

    6. Re:Battle in the main square: Not looking good... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I'm in the UK and have Al Jazeera via my UK TV subscription.

      Although, comically, I turned in and lost my satellite feed - switched to another channel and it's back. Switched back to Al Jazeera and it's gone again. Hmm. Time to reboot the decoder box.

      Ok. I lied. I'm meant to have Al Jazeera but its coming through so slow and fragmented that it's unwatchable. Its headline banner is "The battle for Egypt. Fresh clashes at Liberation Square" but I get that as a still picture (with the square in the background) and then lose signal again.

      I'll check again in the morning, then ring my TV provider and yell at them..

    7. Re:Battle in the main square: Not looking good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know where you are, but here in Edinburgh, the weather's bad enough that I can believe it's not your provider's fault...

  12. Hmmm by eshbums · · Score: 0

    Ironically, Chatroulette's hairy wang ratio returned to normal right around the same time.

  13. More links by h00manist · · Score: 2
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  14. Calm transition to democracy is best by h00manist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An orderly transitional government, to setup fair and open elections, would likely lead to more debate of the issues, and a government reflecting the people, which are mixed, secular and religious. If it turns messy and confrontational, more emotional and less rational, radical groups get better chances, be they right, left, military, religious, corporate or whatever.

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  15. Citizens being removed from mailing lists? by JRHelgeson · · Score: 1

    I subscribe to the "Fun Security" mailing list where one member posted the following:

    From: funsec-bounces@linuxbox.org on behalf of Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor,
    Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:11 PM
    To: funsec@linuxbox.org
    Subject: [funsec] Things that make you go "hmmmmm ..."

    I'm a co-moderator on the CISSP-Discuss mailing list (for people who are studying for their CISSP exam).

    We've had a lurking member called "noor_here4u" on the list.

    Today the last Egyptian ISP went offline. It was Noor.

    Today noor_here4u left the CISSP-Discuss list.

    They got cut off, then they got systematically removed from mailing lists?

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    1. Re:Citizens being removed from mailing lists? by realxmp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They got cut off, then they got systematically removed from mailing lists?

      I don't think it's a conspiracy. They've probably just been automatically removed by the mailing list's bounce handler. They were down for long enough for most SMTP servers to give up and do a return to sender which causes most mailer software to remove you.

    2. Re:Citizens being removed from mailing lists? by JRHelgeson · · Score: 1

      I like that answer a lot better. The curious bit being that it did happen rather quickly (the removal).

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  16. Well.. by xMrFishx · · Score: 3, Funny

    It does take ages to re-aim the pyramids to pick up signal again. They also take a good while to reboot.

    1. Re:Well.. by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

      Not anymore...they hired these guys

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    2. Re:Well.. by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

      They also needed to reinstall the eyes, as they'd been damaged by having to see priceless treasures wrecked by the tiny minority of asshats in the crowds.

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  17. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vodafone Egypt and Etisalat Egypt are both taken offline due to the Slashdot effect.

  18. Great! by audunr · · Score: 1

    I'm sure they appreciate a link on ./ so everyone here can check that their hosts are reachable.

  19. Progress by TiZon · · Score: 2
  20. Didn't used to be? by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

    Am I off here, or should that have been: "Some sites that were previously unavailable..."?

    Grammar Nazis, help me out here....

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    1. Re:Didn't used to be? by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      The current phrasing is awkward, but I don't believe there's anything ungrammatical about it--but then again, I'm not one of the idiots who believes that Strunk & White is a book on grammar. :)

    2. Re:Didn't used to be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, sounds like what a child would say...

  21. Let's help by cdp0 · · Score: 1

    Now that this finally happened, I think it's time we give them a helping hand: the least that we, the /. crowd, can do is donate some bandwidth to the Tor network by adding relay/bridge nodes and for those who can afford it exit nodes, too. This way we offer them a safer way to communicate among themselves and with the rest of the world.

    For those yet unfamiliar with Tor, you can find out more here: Tor Project

  22. What the heck happened? by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Their 'president' of 29 years stepped down & now they get their Internet back? On the surface at least it looks like a victory for the lower classes, but I can't imagine that happening in this day and age. Maybe the businesses were just losing too much money on not having internet.

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    1. Re:What the heck happened? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the thugs (1,5 million security and police) need internet and phones to organize their onslaught on the peaceful demonstrators. If they are forced to back down again, internet and telephony will be down again.

    2. Re:What the heck happened? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      er, Mubarak hasn't stepped down...

  23. Bengals reference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Surf like the Egyptians..."

  24. I'll see your stupid comment and raise you.... by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Romani are originally from India

    confused yet?

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  25. NANOG folks... by astern · · Score: 1

    Please post some graphs of BGP route advertisements as the Eqyptian AS's come back online

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  26. Use BGPlay to see it happen graphically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since BGPlay stores only the past week of Internet routing (BGP) changes you may want to try this today:

    http://bgplay.routeviews.org/

    Prefix: 82.129.223.0/24

    Starting Date: 27 / 1 / 2011
    Ending Date: 2 / 2 / 2011

    Let it run its query and click play > you can clearly see when the BGP route for 82.129.223.0/24 was removed (01/27/2011 22:33:17) and when it was re-announced (02/02/2011 09:29:31). Pretty cool to see the BGPlay animation of the past 7 days regarding world events happening in Egypt.

    ~Rm!

  27. Party over... by tsvk · · Score: 1

    Well, I guess their LAN party is over now.

  28. Re:I'm not Egyptian by dkleinsc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, these protests are absolutely incredible. And from those Americans who have a clue what's actually going on in Cairo, Alexandria, Suez, etc, you're seeing a lot of support for the protesters. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans don't have a clue what's actually going on, and many that do are getting nothing but misinformation about who the protesters are and what they want.

    There are a few major reasons for that:
    1. For far too many Americans, "Arab", "Muslim", "terrorist", and "scary guy" are basically indistinguishable concepts. For instance, those that find Barack Obama scary because he doesn't look like they do will say he's a Muslim, even though he's never said anything remotely similar to "There's no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet." So the idea that Muslims could be doing something good in the world runs straight into cognitive dissonance.
    2. The US government has close ties to the Israeli government, and the Israeli government is very scared that whatever comes after Mubarak won't be so keen on adhering to the Camp David Accords. As a result, the messages Americans have been getting from their government has been lukewarm at best about the protests.
    3. Establishment media outlets have mostly followed the Obama administration's lead. Many reports are taking advantage of my first point to state that these were organized by the Muslim Brotherhood (despite plenty of evidence to the contrary), and are describing "chaos" and "looting" more than "protests".
    4. Some have memories of the Iranian Revolution in 1979, and fear that what Egypt is going through will lead to the same result.

    A lot of Americans are ignoring their government, their media sources, and their fears, and supporting the protesters.

    Salaam.

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  29. What if it happened here? by mu22le · · Score: 1

    In case you havn't noticed Mubarak didn't need any special law or a big red button to shut off internat access state-wide, just a few well placed phone calls to the the major ISPs.

    I wonder if that could ever happen here in the 'civilized' west (in London they chirurgically shut off mobile comunication during the student riots, remember?) and what counter measures would we have.

    Could we use the good old phone network to cohordinate? How many of you still remember their home phone number? you mother's? your friends'? How many public phones are there in your city?

    So I started investigating the current status of mesh wireless network. There is a significant number of people walking around with a wifi enabled linux phone nowdays, are they enough to build an on-the-fly mesh network? We already have some of the software stack available (http://www.olsr.org/?q=node/30), what seems to be missing is a simple user interface and a messaging system.

    And then then what about pratical issues: battery life, interferencies... We should really be experimenting with this stuff now. It may prove to be quite a useful resource in other emergencies too.

    1. Re:What if it happened here? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The UK would be very interesting. You would be facing the GCHQ/NSA (US bases) at home. Would they suggest net/web 2.0 stays up to track everybody in realtime and offer locations of interest to ~Forward Intelligence Teams (FITs).
      Find and "remove" the leaders and the lone-wolf types who suddenly become very active.
      The "phone network" is the GCHQ so your data call to an ISP outside the UK would just add another number to be tracked back to you and then blocked/recoreded.
      Public phones, mobile phones may only allow a sub set of calls, eg a "white list" of local emergency services and the police tip line.
      Mesh wireless network is just more quality signals intelligence to act on. The US and UK are very very good at tracking any wifi, cell or sat phone.
      Look up and you will see the next gen Nimrod/Islander or drone collecting all the realtime voice prints on any "linux phone".
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1268535/Superspy-sky-soon-patrolling-British-cities-search-hidden-terror-cells.html
      Use any phone after the 'emergency' and your voice of interest will add some new billing/address/id or just location. CCTV can do the rest.
      Ham radio would be the same. They have learned from the French use of minitel (1980's French computer network) setting up protests.
      Whats left? U.S. military satellite transponders ie "The Great Brazilian Sat-Hack Crackdown" http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2009/04/fleetcom ?

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  30. One site stayed up. by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One site that stayed up through all this was the Library of Alexandria, which, among other things, hosts a copy of the Internet Archive. They now have photos up of their supporters surrounding the Library to protect it.

    They stayed up because they have a direct connection to the 10Gb/s FLAG, the Fiber Optic Around the Globe link. That has a cable landing at Alexandria, and the Library is tied in there, without going through a local ISP.

    1. Re:One site stayed up. by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      Interesting. With I had mod points. Some of those pictures:
      "Opponents and supporters join hands in protecting the library"
      http://www.bibalex.org/imagegallery/BA_Gallery_EN.aspx?ID=54&Name=Opponents%20and%20supporters%20join%20hands%20in%20protecting%20the%20library

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