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Sony Lawyers Expand Dragnet, Targeting Anybody Posting PS3 Hack
markass530 writes with this excerpt from Wired:
"Sony is threatening to sue anybody posting or 'distributing' the first full-fledged jailbreak code for the 4-year-old PlayStation 3 gaming console. What's more, the company is demanding that a federal judge order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information (PDF) of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page. The game maker is also demanding that Twitter provide the identities of a host of hackers who first unveiled a limited version of the hack in December."
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I still have mine, sounds like we need someone to post code snippets on the back of a T-Shirt, with "only Sony wants Root" on the front, and the proceeds can go to legal defense.
Well, If we are making outlandish requests... I demand that a federal judge order Sony to turn over a detailed list of all financial transactions for the company and its 150,000+ staff. I just want to make sure that they are not doing anything illegal with their property (their money).
Fair's fair.
Sony is going to run into a full Streisand Effect backlash with this new attempt to expunge the net of any trace of the very mention of this hack existing. And what is it about asking for the IP address of those who VIEWED it? Are they planning to go the RIAA route and send blackmail letters to those people, threatening to sue them for millions unless they pay several thousands of dollars?
The only Playstation I ever had got sold 3 years ago, and now I have absolutely no interesting in purchasing ANY whatsoever Sony product.
Don't need to bother with my IP address, if I still had a sony product, I would throw it into the garbage right now.
Did something like this go down when the HD-DVD key was found? Didn't it just cause MORE publicity, or something that's now know as the Streisand Effect? Good luck with that Sony, really.
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For years I have been planning to get a PS3, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna give a penny to a company that is going to use the money to sue me and my peers... Guess I'll just have to buy used.
Sony is also demanding "A bajillion kajillion dollars, all the chocolate in the world, and a pony."
Sony claims the hacks will eat into game sales for the 41 million PS3 units sold.
Dear Sony,
You know what will really cut into sales? Being total douchebags towards your customers. That's what is really going to cut into sales.
thxkbye
'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
What's more, the company is demanding that a federal judge order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information (PDF) of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page.
The INTERESTING bit here is in finding out how much, and what, Google actually logs and stores.
So does Google actually log visits by IP adress to a private YouTube page?
I think it's even crazier they want IP's from people who only viewed the video though for all I know I could have seen it embeded somewhere or other and never even took it in.
However, if they can get law to say you are responsible for what you view, regardless of how... Think of the CP e-mail bomb the CEO would get! Ooops... :)
If I paid $1000 for rent this past month, who owns the house I live in? THE LANDLORD. I still can't do major changes to the house or property, can't burn it down, can't use it as security for a loan... and I have to abide by all the terms I agreed to in the lease, which is a legally-binding contract just like the software license you agreed to. You did read it, didn't you?
Interesting analogy. To make it a bit more correct though, we need to add the following things.
'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
I have all the software and code to hack the PS3. I will also make it available to anyone that asks for it, by emailing me at montezumamd@gmail.com. Seeing as everyone that wants it can get it, Sony will have a hard fucking time suing me, or anyone else. There is also the fact that I am dirty-fucking-poor, and have no money to my name. Also, seeing how I cannot be put in jail for providing what is already publicly available, Sony can do nothing to me.
I was going to try and comment on that YouTube video(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkLSXsCKDkg), but alas, it is private. So, I will just comment here and say that, if that video is pertaining to hacking the PS3, then good job.
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That's the key information for the console, not the program to actually jailbreak it.
Anyone have a link for GeoHot's jailbreak.zip?
Absolutely!
Don't go signing any contracts saying you agree to such things.
Stop and think before you put pen to paper! Once it's down in ink on paper it's serious!
On a related note now that you've read my post please retroactively agree to my conditions that you must send me all your Christmas presents next December.
If you don't agree to this you are required to delete all copies of the data from your computer, from your ISP's buffers, from your own mind, from the fabric of space if you read this with your curtains open thus violating my copyright by creating a copy of the text moving through space at the speed of light and immediately relinquish all original thoughts you've had since reading my post.
Exact same thing.
Wikileaks had been out for awhile and no one cared. Suddenly the government got it's knickers in a twist and tried to shut it down. Suddenly everyone started paying attention.
As someone who's been a sony customer for quite some time and i've never held interest in hacking or jailbreaking or whatever consoles, I just ignored this whole key fiasco when it first started. Then over and over again you're getting your getting all butthurt about it, pushing everyone into lawsuits over it. Guess what I'm doing when I get home now? If you said "go home and jailbreak my ps3", you're right!
A big giant "screw you Sony" from a previously loyal customer.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
Am I the only one who finds it a little creepy that a foreign company can come into the U.S. and just wantonly try to violate the 1st and 4th amendment rights of our citizens (and presumably, many other citizens around the world)? p>
Its just you.
The rest of understand that freedom of speech doesn't mean consequence free speech. If Sony suffers damages from your speech, they can sue for those damages. Then, you get the opportunity to defend your actions in a court of law.
There is absolutely no unreasonable search and seizure when you post something on youtube.and Sony sees it. In fact, the posting of something on youtube creates probably cause to search the poster's property provided that a judge issues a warrant. Sony has done nothing wrong in acting in its own best interests. They simply asked a judge to create a warrant so that they can legally search for those whom Sony believes has actually harmed them.
I assume you lock your door at night, and even if you leave your door unlocked one night, it doesn't excuse theft. However, if someone were to post a youtube video showing specifically how your brand of door lock can be picked, it could be judicially warranted to extract the information of people who subsequently linked to schematics showing where you store valuables in your home, posted when you left for vacation, or otherwise recorded a method of breaking into your house.
As big a bunch of tools as Google are, I would hope they would at least tell Sony to go to hell on the identities of commenters and viewers of a web video. And, if they do hand these over, I think the FBI should be investigating THEM.
Obviously youtube has already refused to turn over user information, which is why Sony is asking a judge to overrule them. No need for the FBI here.
And what is it about asking for the IP address of those who VIEWED it?
"Gee, this Tor guy is really active!"
And you see no problem with the fact that you would have to sue to get rid of those other terms?
my post was essentially what most EULAs are.
A wishlist of things that the company would love with no reference at all to whether it's even vaguely legal.
And they all essentially say the same thing: "we can do anything at all we want, we have no obligation to you at all, you should be happy we allowed you to give us money ,you can't do anything though we may not enforce our right to stop you from doing stuff if we feel like it" and plastered all over it because they know very well that most of what they write isn't even vaguely legal: something along the lines of "if any part or parts of this agreement are invalidated or illegal all the rest still binds you but not us"
I absolutely agree to abide by any contract I sign but the thing is that I've never in my life signed a contract for software.
All I've ever done is click "OK" to company wishlists after I've already bought my property from them and our business is done.
I personally wouldn't ever buy a console, I hate them, but my 7 year old recently expressed an interest in the PS3 because he wants Little Big Planet. I considered giving in to him until I read this article. Occasionally some people make decisions based on morals or ethics.
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In light of the iPhone decision (that allowed "jailbreaking"), I wonder if they really have a leg on which to stand. Or is it that the iPhone decision only pertains to opening it up to additional software choicese (does the PS3 break imply more)?
I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
There's exageration and then there's just plain lying through your teeth.
You can't have it both ways.
either you buy both the hardware and the software as a *system* or you buy one and the other is a completely seperate thing which you get free and which the company may withold if they feel like it.
I was already done with Sony. They don't even make high quality stuff anymore, it's all disposable junk they charge a premium to put their name on. The last straw was a BluRay movie, a $10 one, refusing to play on my PS3 without a firmware upgrade. WTF?!?!?! It's a PAID FOR MOVIE. Fuck you. Not only that, I think I'm going to start pirating all my media. I don't have to deal with this shit on pirated movies/games.
Instead of rick-rolling we need to start ps3 hack-rolling and give them some real numbers to try suing. I want to see them sending out millions of lawsuit letters to everyone who thought they were gonna see the new Beiber video.
No, he bought a copy. The fact that it might be accompanied by a license is another matter, open to discussion as Sarten-X pointed out. But when you go into a store, pick up a dvd, a game or a cd, you're BUYING a copy. It doesn't matter what papers the company puts in the box, it's your copy, and as long as you don't violate copyright law (or any other law, like the DMCA), you can do anything you want with it.
Some of those laws say that you can't perform publicly, redistribute, etc. but nowhere at all it says you can't privately use what you bought, or that they get to dictate how you can or cannot use your own stuff outside of what the law says. And yes, that copy is your own stuff.
Even if EULAs are considered a legal contract, no contract can strip away any of your legal rights. Law is above contracts, just as the Constitution is above Laws.
Licenses can give additional rights to the consumer, but they cannot take away any rights.
"A software license agreement is a contract between the "licensor" and purchaser of the right to use software. The license may define ways under which the copy can be used, in addition to the automatic rights of the buyer including the first sale doctrine and 17 U.S.C. 117 (freedom to use, archive, re-sale, and backup)."
(...)
"Some copyright owners use EULAs in an effort to circumvent limitations the applicable copyright law places on their copyrights (such as the limitations in sections 107-122 of the United States Copyright Act), or to expand the scope of control over the work into areas for which copyright protection is denied by law (such as attempting to charge for, regulate or prevent private performances of a work beyond a certain number of performances or beyond a certain period of time). Such EULAs are, in essence, efforts to gain control, by contract, over matters upon which copyright law precludes control.
In disputes of this nature, cases are often appealed and different circuit courts of appeal sometimes disagree about these clauses. This provides an opportunity for the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene, which it has usually done in a scope-limited and cautious manner, providing little in the way of precedent or settled law.[citation needed]"
I recommend reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license_agreement#Enforceability
Especially the part about Enforceability of EULAs in the United States, near the bottom.
I'd love it if Lawrence Lessig saw this thread and gave his opinion. He knows this stuff like the palm of his hand, plus he's good at explaining it :)
"Luck is my middle name," said Rincewind, indistinctly. "Mind you, my first name is Bad." -- Terry Pratchett
We here at sony have the right to make money. All you hacker, crackers, and slashdotters think you are all so smart. Remember we have to feed our families and put bread on the table. For every hack posted, more of our families are starving. So to all of you hacking, thinking of hacking, dreaming of hacking, watching others hack, or talking about hacking - we will find you and destroy you to keep food on our table. You may have purchased a PS3, but we still own it, every last one. We have the law on our side. We will hunt you down, your children and mothers. We will sue anyone in our way or in our line of sight. You are all guilty of grievous actions. We will make you pay for starving our families. You think you can do what you want, but we are in control. Thees are our game consoles. We are collecting your IP address and are sending subpeonas to slashdot and your service provider as we speak.
With that out of the way, please indicate below if you want to sign up for a %10 discount coupon for our new PS4 and be one of the first to receive this new and best playstation ever. ________________
Maybe not mirrors, but a slew of comments with the key. It isn't really hard to use a key in a home brew application for handshake authentication, so the most important snippet is the key.
Furethermore, owners of the PS3 didn't really care for hacking it themselves, but apparently do care when Sony takes the ability from their friends and neighbors who are willing to void their warranties and do cool things. I own a hacked wii and I constantly show off my ability to delete and backup the same game over and over to my friends and family. When they ask me if I download games off the net, I point them to the scratched DVDs from mishandling by the four year old and the file size of some of the games and let them know it's cheaper to simply buy the game used off ebay than it is spend the time and frustration necessary to download a wii game. After that discussion, I show them all the games I made for IOS compiled for the wii since it's not that hard to use the libraries. They generally seem impressed and we move on to another topic. At the end of the day, they have no more interest in hacking their wii than when we started the conversation. They do have an interest in me being sued for using a device in a way that extends the original manufacture's design for my own purposes.
That's what all the fuss is about. If my brother, a PS3 owner, was sued because he watched a video about hacking his hardware, my other brother that owns an xbox, our friends, and myself would be concerned that buying a console and watching what OTHERS do with their hardware can result in being sued, even though he didn't actually hack the device himself. This place a cost on us because if he can't afford to pay his bills, loses his job, or generally loses his wages for the rest of his life because he watched a video, then the harm is multiplied to those who have to help our loved ones. That's why this seems so atrocious in the first place.