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BitTorrent and Khan Academy To Distribute Education

drDugan writes "BitTorrent, Inc. announced this morning that they have launched a partnership with the Khan Academy to distribute open education videos. They launched with more than 2,000 videos, covering high school and college level curriculum, across science, math, history, finance and test prep. All of the videos are free to download and open licensed with Creative Commons."

139 comments

  1. FIRST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    KHAAAAAAN!

    1. Re:FIRST! by fishexe · · Score: 2

      KHAAAAAAN!

      From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For trolling, not for all that other stuff.

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    2. Re:FIRST! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      KHAAAAAAN!

      Or, for people under 30, there's Two Kirks, a Khan, and a Pizza Place.

      (Note: being way, WAY over 30 myself - my first thought was "KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!" as well.)

      (Note 2: No, actually I'm lying. My first thought was of Ghengis Khan, since he was my contemporary)

      (Note 3: Sorry, that wasn't quite true. I hung out with his kids, though. They got me in a lot of trouble! Ah, the memories....)

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    3. Re:FIRST! by Ghengis+Khak · · Score: 1

      (Note 2: No, actually I'm lying. My first thought was of Ghengis Khan, since he was my contemporary)

      Same here.

  2. Proof... by mswhippingboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that bittorrent can be used for legit purposes. Hopefully as a side benifit, this will make it harder for the MPAA crowd to villify these types of file sharing networks.

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    1. Re:Proof... by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      It's all a ploy by the superhumans to undermine the US economy. The *AAs are our only remaining hope. Let's hope Congress will do the right thing and empower them to put an end to the BT villainy that has persisted for too long.

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    2. Re:Proof... by skids · · Score: 1

      OK, that's great and I highly encourage it. But just for my own edification -- why would I choose to download this stuff from bittorrent when I can just go get it on-demand from a unicast stream?

      I'm sure there will be corner cases where this proves very useful, and should free providers decide to cut services and make it difficult for Kahn to publish, then it will definitely come in handy, but... I'm failing to see the "big deal" here.

    3. Re:Proof... by rainmouse · · Score: 3, Insightful

      that bittorrent can be used for legit purposes. Hopefully as a side benifit, this will make it harder for the MPAA crowd to villify these types of file sharing networks.

      Though the threat to private Colleges and Universities that free learning poses could actually further fund and empower the MPAA.

    4. Re:Proof... by thomst · · Score: 1

      that bittorrent IS used for legit purposes.

      FTFY

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    5. Re:Proof... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Khan Academy is distributing a large number of moderately large files (short videos, so not huge) to a lot of users, which means they probably have rather high bandwidth costs. Downloading from them costs them money. Downloading from BitTorrent doesn't, and should not be much, if at all, slower if there are enough seeds.

    6. Re:Proof... by mr100percent · · Score: 2

      Places like rural Pakistani schools (where the Khan academy is aiming for etc.) don't really have broadband. If you can torrent it from a cybercafe and then bring it with you to a classroom on a USB stick, that's great.

    7. Re:Proof... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is to enable non-profit organizations to download the source videos, put them on CDs/DVDs or what have you, and then distribute them to parts of the world that don't have internet access. You have to remember that there are about 1.5 billion people with internet access, which means you're excluding more than 3/4 of the world's population when you only offer online streaming. It also gives you the ability to convert them to DVD video, which means you don't even need a computer to view them.

      For people like you and me, this isn't really news... but as far as furthering Khan's goal of becoming "the free classroom for the World," it's an important step.

    8. Re:Proof... by turgid · · Score: 1

      Proof that bittorrent can be used for legit purposes. Hopefully as a side benifit, this will make it harder for the MPAA crowd to villify these types of file sharing networks.

      Yes, we know.

      The MPAA/RIAA/BPI etc. have chosen to ignore the established legitimate uses for BitTorrent and other P2P technologies. They would also prefer to pretend the Free Software, Open Source, Creative Commons and all of those other free-as-in-speech, free-as-in-freedom, independent, do-it-for-ourselves-thank-you-very-much stuff does not exist.

      They think that by not mentioning any of this that "normal people" will remain ignorant.

    9. Re:Proof... by gknoy · · Score: 1

      This is the first time I've thought, "wow, I could set up BitTorrent for a week/month and fill up a drive of stuff that will have lasting value to my family". Why stream it on demand, if you can download it ahead of time, effectively having a local cache that will not lose its educational value in five or likely even ten years?

    10. Re:Proof... by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      They think that by not mentioning any of this that "normal people" will remain ignorant.

      And it seems to work, too. I've come across quite a few people on random websites that believed that bittorrent is used entirely by 'pirates' (technologically illiterate people, of course). Not only were they ignorant, but they were stubborn in holding onto this belief.

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    11. Re:Proof... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Offline use.......

    12. Re:Proof... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My top tier private university has, for years, been funding free (as in both), online, and written by top professors textbooks. MIT and Stanford regularly post semester long videos of courses for free. I don't think they're as worried as you think they are... Maybe University of Phoenix?

    13. Re:Proof... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...why would I choose to download this stuff from bittorrent when I can just go get it on-demand from a unicast stream?...

      Pervasive, resilient file retention works better with a distributed system. Many copies distributed across many networks make it far more difficult to lose the information due to catastrophic hardware failure, or exertion of economic/political will, on a centralized system.

    14. Re:Proof... by mrbcs · · Score: 1
      I have 3 kids using his stuff now. All different ages and levels, so each kid has to download (stream) as they need it. If my internet goes flaky, we have issues. If it's on my server, I'm laughing.

      Khan rocks. He has helped my kids advance their mathematics skills considerably in the 2 months that we have been using his academy.

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    15. Re:Proof... by Dabido · · Score: 1

      There was already proof of it being used for legit purposes with many Linux distros being available via Bit Torrent.

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    16. Re:Proof... by shikaisi · · Score: 1

      Well I'm hoping I can download it from bittorrent because, for reasons I cannot fathom, khanacademy.org is blocked in China.

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    17. Re:Proof... by h00manist · · Score: 1

      Torrents will be more successful when our home connections have the same upload and download speeds. I don't quite see why ISP's always limit your upload speeds.

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    18. Re:Proof... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      College has become a bigger business than music or tv, I couldn't agree with you more!

    19. Re:Proof... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though the threat to private Colleges and Universities that free learning poses could actually further fund and empower the MPAA.

      Only ones that aren't accredited. It's more of a link at the bottom of a wikipedia page for additional information than choose-your-curriculum academics.

    20. Re:Proof... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Because what 95% of home users do is download. The people that want to upload are rare... of course, I'm happy since my 1.5mb down DSL service has a 384k up, much better than the local cable co with 3 down and 128k up

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    21. Re:Proof... by Piranhaa · · Score: 1

      It's quite nice to see more and more things switching to torrents..

      There's a DVD that a well respected individual made on the subject of bodybuilding - Over 11 hours of material. I can only imagine how much time he actually spent on it.

      It was first only put up on a single website and youtube for download/streaming (he isn't charging anything for it). After finding out about this, I immediately threw it up on piratebay (with his permission) using DHT and an open bittorent tracker. It's a Win Win. Way more reliable to distribute (hash checking), downloads can easily resume, and his site uses boatloads less bandwidth.

      There's not really a more efficient/faster way than P2P to deploy material.

    22. Re:Proof... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I downloaded Eclipse via BitTorrent. It too is free. It was much faster to download it that way than to download it from the main server.

  3. Human video projectors by mrcaseyj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So why do we have all these highly intelligent expensive professors wasting their time standing in front of hundreds of students in a lecture hall reciting their teaching script like a human video projector? Let the best lecturers in the country make videos and let the students send in questions and assemble a frequently asked questions list and then put those professors to work doing research for the benefit of humanity.

    1. Re:Human video projectors by Lazareth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because teaching itself both builds character and strengthen your knowledge in your field. Because that human "video projector" is a human, readily able to take questions at any given time during the lecture.

      I'm not saying anything against video lectures. These things are great and it helps to open up and spread information around for the benefit of all. But they're not the same thing. They can be a substitute, but they're not for everybody. Some of use need those human video projectors to get through our education. Some of use need a mix of both.

    2. Re:Human video projectors by Decessus · · Score: 2

      I think you are suggesting that we should do away with colleges and universities. If that's the case, then I'm going to have to disagree with you. I'm currently a college student and while I think it's overly expensive, I do think it is valuable nonetheless. What I get from college is more than just listening to lectures and doing homework. I get the opportunity to interact with highly intelligent people who specialize in the kind of work that I would someday like to do. I also get to interact with a wide variety of people who share the same interests that I do through student organizations. These opportunities would be lost, for the worse in my opinion, if college were to be completely eliminated.

    3. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you are suggesting that we should do away with colleges and universities. If that's the case, then I'm going to have to disagree with you. I'm currently a college student and while I think it's overly expensive, I do think it is valuable nonetheless. What I get from college is more than just listening to lectures and doing homework. I get the opportunity to interact with highly intelligent people who specialize in the kind of work that I would someday like to do. I also get to interact with a wide variety of people who share the same interests that I do through student organizations. These opportunities would be lost, for the worse in my opinion, if college were to be completely eliminated.

      Exactly. Where would all those 18 year old coeds go to get drunk and have threesomes with random strangers?

    4. Re:Human video projectors by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      And some of US need english teachers.

      Sorry, just had to. Just ignore.

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    5. Re:Human video projectors by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because when they do that, they cease to be expensive.

      Let's face it, most classes could be taught by lecture with a live human audience for the first recording (those people will get most of the obvious questions that the professor answers over and over and over and over) and teaching assistants.

      But, then you wouldn't need the professor again.

      It's like newspaper columnists. When we had local papers you needed them.

      But with national news media available, you really only need a dozen or so columnists in each area. Every one else is mostly redundant.

      You could literally have a dozen college calculus teachers in the entire world.

      Lowering the cost of providing calculus by 90%.

      Same for most other undergraduate courses.

      Only courses where the students actually need to talk interactively with the professor (very few) need human professors.

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    6. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you are suggesting that we should do away with colleges and universities. If that's the case, then I'm going to have to disagree with you. I'm currently a college student and while I think it's overly expensive, I do think it is valuable nonetheless. What I get from college is more than just listening to lectures and doing homework. I get the opportunity to interact with highly intelligent people who specialize in the kind of work that I would someday like to do. I also get to interact with a wide variety of people who share the same interests that I do through student organizations. These opportunities would be lost, for the worse in my opinion, if college were to be completely eliminated.

      Human interaction? You're interacting with humans right now. The internet is filled with people who are intelligent and open to conversation (and vice versa, as in college).

      Your tuition for college essentially pays for an evaluation/validation of your knowledge (your degree) and a presentation of information (professor lectures + powerpoints) if you wanted to get down to it. Office hours are wholly dependent on institute police. I'm also a college student as well.

    7. Re:Human video projectors by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Below university level (Up to eighteen years old) the majority of the cost of schooling isn't really in education. It's in keeping the little brats under control. Enough staff to watch them, break up the fights, keep them paying attention to learning rather than playing games, chatting or stareing into space. Then the cost of assessment, testing and such - because it's not enough to understand a subject. The pupils also need to be able to prove their understanding in the easily-demonstrated and consistant form of exam results, in order to win jobs.

    8. Re:Human video projectors by Minthos · · Score: 1

      I'm a cs student and I've watched video lectures as well as attended live lectures. Just like live music and recorded music, there's a place for both to coexist. From a student's perspective: Pro-live: I can ask questions I'm more inclined to pay attention I have to get out of bed I meet other students I meet professors the audio and video quality is (usually) better Pro-recorded: I can schedule lectures according to my life, instead of the opposite I have a wider selection of professors and lectures to choose from (let's admit it, some professors just suck at teaching) I can pause when I want I can skip the boring parts I can repeat the confusing parts To sum it up, I think recorded lectures are a good supplement to live ones, but far inferior as a replacement.

    9. Re:Human video projectors by hedwards · · Score: 1

      That's more a problem with the model than the practice. A good instructor is well worth attending. The problem is that there's a lot of ones which aren't qualified and or are not doing their jobs properly.

      The Khan Academy has its strengths, but ultimately if you're not the type of learner that they're focusing on it's a complete waste. Which is the point, some people really do need to have an instructor in the room to learn.

    10. Re:Human video projectors by Zerth · · Score: 2

      . I get the opportunity to interact with highly intelligent people who specialize in the kind of work that I would someday like to do. I also get to interact with a wide variety of people who share the same interests that I do through student organizations. These opportunities would be lost, for the worse in my opinion, if college were to be completely eliminated.

      Join a professional organization(IEEE or similar), a hackerspace, or something like FIRST. Go to cons.

      Even if you're in the middle of nowhere, you can livestream your workbench and dedicate a monitor to other people's streams to create a virtual hackerspace. You can't share tools as easily, but you can get live advice and encouragement. At the very least, find a forum more directly related to your interests than slashdot, post your projects and ask for comments.

    11. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well there is also a question of what to prioritize in a curriculum. We aren't going to encapsulate the sum of all human knowledge relevant for a particular major(s) in four years, thus different professors at different institutes are given some level of esteem by their respective institutes that they would teach what is "relevant". So assuming a professor constantly works to improve their curriculum to teach effectively and efficiently, I'd say that there is some benefit to lecturing to students.

      I agree that a lot of the stuff is set in stone and ought to be available in a standardized format ready to digest. As for responses to answer questions, a lot of this could be handled without the need to occupy professors' valuable time (no matter how willing they are) if it has been answered time and time again in forums/comments/etc.

      The trick though is to avoid becoming every university's worst nightmare: University of Pheonix online. In this case, it seems that human video projectors are at least a step above.

    12. Re:Human video projectors by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      My calculus class in college wasn't a lecture class, thank goodness. We were able to interact with the prof, ask questions during the lesson, and learned much more (and quicker) for all that.

      A video lecture class on calculus would be helpful, but not nearly as helpful as having the professor interact right there to the 20 or so students in the room.

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    13. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Face to face interaction is different than digital interaction. College is not about the validation of your knowledge, but a stepping stone to things you want to do in the future. If you use your time in college properly, you will come away with a base network of contacts that will help in your future endeavors. The education you receive is not particularly unique, but if you've made the right choice in university you can get plugged in to groups you otherwise would not be able to. College, like life, is about networking.

      And yes, even with your fellow students. Today they are just like you, ten years from now they could open doors.

    14. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Face to face interaction is different than digital interaction. College is not about the validation of your knowledge, but a stepping stone to things you want to do in the future. If you use your time in college properly, you will come away with a base network of contacts that will help in your future endeavors. The education you receive is not particularly unique, but if you've made the right choice in university you can get plugged in to groups you otherwise would not be able to. College, like life, is about networking.

      And yes, even with your fellow students. Today they are just like you, ten years from now they could open doors.

      That's not right, people shouldn't be going college for all the friends they can be making that could raise their social status. They shouldn't wholly rely on a system where they look try to get friends in high places. People ought to earn their careers by their merits and deeds. Their knowledge and resume.

      Of course face to face interaction is nice and has differences from digital interaction, and making friends in college is a great thing, but we do it for the people not the places they can take us. And again, we don't need to be face-to-face to make lasting connections. Plenty of people have made great friendships/relationships online without having met up front intially or possibly at all.

    15. Re:Human video projectors by Decessus · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm interacting with humans right now, but you would agree that social interaction over the internet is different than social interaction in person, right?

    16. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Different does not mean better. Your original argument implied that interaction fully justified the existence of colleges. I was simply saying that this interaction isn't as precious as I take it you mean to be. Chance meetings aside, I think the merit of college is the context. Everyone is there for a reason, a purpose, and a drive. And we are all willing to plunge ourselves in debt to get what we want.

      That's what I value as a college student. My interactions are great, but I can find it online. What I cannot find online is a dedicated community of people I know who will follow through my path until the end.

    17. Re:Human video projectors by mrcaseyj · · Score: 2

      I think the professor's knowledge would be strengthened more by studying deeper or more broadly or by research, rather than designing or delivering lectures. And professors could be made available to answer questions at any given time that students are watching the videos as well. Many questions should not distract and waste the time of many other students anyway. If the question is a good question, it should be included in the FAQ or incorporated into the video lecture. Why do you need a live lecturer to get through your education?

      Some say that meeting people is a main benefit of college. That is surely a major benefit. But isn't there plenty of less expensive ways that don't waste the lives of talented professors and the money of poor students and parents? Clubs, internet forums, professional societies, etc.

      I suspect one of the main purposes of regularly scheduled classes is just to get people to do the learning that they might otherwise never get around to. An externally imposed discipline. I haven't thought of any obvious alternative solution to that, but maybe with some kind of formal structure and time limits, it wouldn't be too big a problem.

    18. Re:Human video projectors by corbettw · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but I couldn't learn calculus by just picking up a book or watching a video. I needed interaction with a teacher to hammer out the fine points.

      Also, there's nothing more boring in the world than watching a canned lecture. There are students out there who need the interaction with a teacher just to stay engaged in the class in the first place.

      Not to mention, if there isn't a teacher present, who's going to stop all the spit balls from flying?

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    19. Re:Human video projectors by scamper_22 · · Score: 1

      You really want such an answer?

      1. Everything is an industry. Education is no different. The people in those fields protect their jobs, maximize their pay.

      2. It's good to know your professor. You talk to them. You interact with them.

    20. Re:Human video projectors by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I'm talking college, not high school.

      99% of students never ask the professor a question.

      The 1% who do basically ask the exact same questions.

      For an example of the concept done well, check out the following.

      http://www.justiceharvard.org/

      I found it compelling and watched every episode, did some of the side reading, and I'm not even in college any more.

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    21. Re:Human video projectors by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      Thats nice. In the real world knowing someone who works in the same field as you do can mean the difference between walking into your new office/cubicle 3 weeks after graduation or spending 18 months flipping burgers while you send out your resume to couple thousands of shops all over the US.

    22. Re:Human video projectors by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Self refresher: I could probably learn enough Controls to teach a course on it, but after a year my Control skills probably wouldn't be up to where they were.
      If I taught a course on controlls every semester, varying between 200 level courses and 500 level courses. My controls knowledge would be very sharp and I'd be able to do research.

      I've seen professors get stumped by questions in all ranges of classes, figure out the answer and come back. Now everyone in the class knows and the next time that it comes up the professor knows.

    23. Re:Human video projectors by icebraining · · Score: 1

      English is a proper noun and should be capitalized accordingly.

    24. Re:Human video projectors by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Professors would continue to mentor graduate students and wouldn't be forbidden to give open lectures about topics that really interest them. TAs working in shifts could respond through online chats about recorded material. Then professors might have time to teach English-style tutorials with one or a few intermediate students.

    25. Re:Human video projectors by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree that teaching makes professors stronger. But at the same time, we could lower the cost of education while educating far more people if we had more holograms like Alfred Lanning from I, Robot.

    26. Re:Human video projectors by Decessus · · Score: 1

      I agree that different does not necessarily mean better. It wasn't my intention to imply otherwise. My original argument was meant to be against the idea that college is a waste of time because it's just a bunch of professors standing in front of a lecture hall full of students. I was merely using the social interactions that one experiences as an example of something else that can be gained by attending college. There are certainly other benefits to going to college that I think justify their existence.

    27. Re:Human video projectors by corbettw · · Score: 1

      So am I.

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    28. Re:Human video projectors by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2

      Yes, interactions online aren't the same as social interactions. Online interactions are more valuable because it's easier and more convenient for me to interact with those at my intelligence level and with the same goals than those I might find in my own geographic area. In-person interactions are limited by geography, time constraints, etc. Online interactions have no such issues.

    29. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally agreed, lets get all of the greatest professors in the world to provide lecture series on absolutely everything knowable, and get that shit up on the web for free as soon as is humanly possible. The spread of knowledge would be so ridiculously fast, social mobility would skyrocket (slightly), and the world would be a better place. Lets do it.

    30. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not what he's suggesting at all but nice strawman.

      He's suggesting we increase the market share of movie theaters to supplement live performances of Shakespeare.

      Welcome to the 20th Century. It's much less disruptive to the class for the teacher to be skyping/google talking with individual students from the projector booth than it is to have them stop their lecture to answer questions.

      The teacher can multi-screen with a second monitor and drag chat windows on to the projector display if the question would be valuable to other students.

      Assuming 60% lecture, 40% Q/A ratios with teachers, this is essentially a 40% productivity increase.

      As time goes on, the expense of school facilities can be greatly reduced as a result. No more Chalk/Dry Erase Markers. No more paper.

      In the long run, schools won't need to expand their campus' nearly as frequently as most students who value their time will elect to participate in class from their home computer. The students who want to learn can be effectively segregated from the disruptive students who are there to socialize and screw off(being in college you can appreciate how much nicer this is in contrast to K-12 compulsory education).

      Eventually, K-12 can be replaced entirely as daycare centers with minimum wage babysitters. Classes will be conducted 100% via internet eliminating facilities costs and greatly reducing administrative costs.

      As a result, Teacher's salaries can be increased, and you'll eventually see a free market develop where the best teachers get the most attendance to their lectures, and all other "classrooms" will function more as 1 on 1 instruction with tutors.

      It would look a lot like online poker with statistics about those in attendance(IQ, GPA, Questions Per Minute, Average Answer Delay/Length etc.). Mobility of students would greatly increase and you'd see steady increases in GPA. Even the slow students would be careful to fully understand the basics by moving at a slower pace before moving on to the next subject.

      In this way, no student would fall through the cracks. Rather than initial misunderstandings snowballing as they continue to hamstring their future ability to learn exacerbated by a pace which is faster than they can keep up with, they can simply put in an extra half hour a day to stay competitive.

      Meanwhile, the duration of attendance and length of lectures would be proportional to understanding. A highly intelligent student would be able to take the competency exam at the very beginning of a lecture on a subject that they had already studied on Wikipedia.

      Statistics could be gathered constantly on student performance allowing quantitative data to shape and improve curriculum.
      Text books would never be out of date as the cost of publishing would be non-existent.
      The cost? Every student gets a $300 netbook.

      You'd have middle school-ers studying statistics and using matlab in such an environment.

      As for the problem students at daycare? Lock them in a dark broom closet with the netbook until they can pass the competency exam.

    31. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is silly.

      Knowledge is not linear, and while the material in your textbook may be neatly numbered in sequential chapters the reality is that research and discovery are profoundly random. Teaching and presentation are just as useful to me as they are to students for a number of reasons:
      (1) I have to organize and justify my thoughts. Teaching established concepts helps keep the material fresh in my mind, and further helps me to organize our new findings in a way that can be better understood and utilized.
      (2) It provides a starting point to tie new discoveries in to old information. Our body of knowledge, even at its dryest, is constantly being reshuffled. One might recycle 80% of lecture on Newton's laws, but that timely 20% lets us bring in news of the day to help students relate, or to work in new discoveries that the text and 'that lecture recorded a while back' simply can't address.
      (3) Students ask the best questions. Questions that are well grounded, eager, intelligent, and earnest. The best days are when your mind is on fire because someone asked you a question that really made you hash out an idea and those days invariably drive you ask more questions yourself.

      Now I won't discount the value of these recordings, Feynman's lectures from NZ are a prime example of knowledge that can be appreciated and learned from years later. But we should consider these as another tool, suited for some more than others depending on learning style, and likewise suited for some topics more than others. Like most on Slashdot I learned the bulk of my knowledge by RTFM, but the insights from reviewing that material with my professors have proven invaluable.

    32. Re:Human video projectors by GofG · · Score: 1

      Actually, in this instance, it's an adjective modifying "teachers".

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    33. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you tried explaining upper-level concepts to lower-level students? It is very hard, and requires you to really think about the relationships between things. I would argue it is actually a benefit to teach in the exact subject area you are researching, as it would help clarify concepts to yourself as you go along. And it does actually happen that a student asks a question that you've never considered before (either a completely new idea, or something you personally glossed over but the student caught), and thus both student and teacher learn simultaneously. I think its absolutely a good idea to have researchers come down from their towers and think about the foundations of their work. It's too easy to get wrapped up in upper-level concepts and forget what you set out to do and how it ties in with everything else.

    34. Re:Human video projectors by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      maybe, but then you have trolls, people online who fake having knowledge and credibility, etc. Forums are a terrible place to learn and youtube is definitely not the peer-reviewed science that journals and actual college work can put out.

    35. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Internet interaction is not the same as real person interaction, especially in science and engineering disciplines. You need to be able to work in a lab-type environment and bounce ideas off of an instructor, and if nothing else, OBSERVE an instructor solving problems to learn a method of attack on problems in science and engineering. Basic calculus, sure, we can learn in a video set of examples for the most part. Higher math? There's an art to designing proofs that you need to work real time with professors to learn how to do. Physics and chemistry and engineering? Working in a lab under the direction of a professor/post-doc and shadowing that person teaches you proper laboratory protocols, and seeing how a professional deals with random problems as they occur real-time is invaluable, as it really taps into their experience and gives you ideas of what to expect.

      Now granted not all majors might need this but if you are in these types of majors, I highly recommend you take advantage of being on campus and go intern with someone in your field of interest, and soak up their real-world experience.

    36. Re:Human video projectors by Decessus · · Score: 2

      Those are some of the advantages that online interactions have over face to face interactions, although I disagree with a couple of the ones you listed which I'll get to shortly. However, face to face interactions also have advantages that online interactions do not have. Face to face interactions allow instant feedback. When I post something on Slashdot or a similar forum, at the very least I have to wait a few minutes for a response and often times I have to wait longer or I simply don't get a response back at all. This instant feedback leads to an overall flow of back and forth conversation which is also an advantage that face to face interactions have over online interactions.

      One of the advantages that you listed for online interactions is that it is easier and more convenient to interact with those of similar intelligence levels. I would argue that unless a person is uncommonly gifted, they should not have trouble finding people who are their intellectual equals in a college environment. At a larger university that has thousands of students, I also don't see how time would be that much of an advantage. My university has 50,000 students and I can go on campus at any time of the day or night and find people who are studying or otherwise involved in academic work.

      Again though, I would like to reiterate that I do not think online interactions are worthless or even less valuable than face to face interactions. I simply think they are different and each one is valuable for different reasons. And in relation to my original post, I think face to face interactions as well as other reasons justify the existence of colleges and universities.

    37. Re:Human video projectors by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Because nobody would pay for that (in any useful number)

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    38. Re:Human video projectors by icebraining · · Score: 1

      It's still a noun, although functioning as an adjective, not a formal adjective. Specifically, they don't have its major characteristic: the ability to be compared.

      (...) traditional grammars recognize as adjectives other forms which are not formally adjectives but may modify nouns.

      -- The English Language: From Sound to Sense

    39. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MIT is working on exactly that, at least at the high school level. And they're distributing the videos for free.

    40. Re:Human video projectors by mrcaseyj · · Score: 2

      You're concentrating on the benefits of lecturing but not fairly balancing the costs. If you're doing a good job for your students, then you're spending a huge number of hours designing and reciting lectures. One of the things that is highly beneficial for research is for researchers to expand their knowledge into quite different fields, e.g. a physicist studying sociology for a change. Such expansion of knowledge would likely be of greater benefit than reviewing and explaining what you already know to some students who can get it explained from somewhere else. There are also lots of journal articles and other writings in your own field that would be useful to read and would expand your mind, but nobody has time to read all the good ones. Researchers in every field could benefit greatly from increased mastery of the tools of their field such as a physicist studying more computer science, math, or electrical engineering. Questions from students and discussion with professors can be stimulating and educational, but I didn't suggest that communication stop, I just suggest that lectures are an inefficient way to facilitate such communication. Sure lecturing and teaching has considerable benefits, but those benefits are small compared to the alternatives.

    41. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. In my view, we are handling education backwards.

      Right now, we have the lectures take place in the classroom, and assign homework to do at home. Really, we should be assigning the lectures to view at home (since they don't really require interactivity), then doing the homework in class. This way, students will be able to ask questions to the teacher when they need it and interact with each other on the actual work.

      Of course, the central flaw of this is that most students probably won't view the lectures at all, so the entire class time would be spent reviewing the lecture, which would pretty much return us to the state we are currently in.

    42. Re:Human video projectors by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree that teaching makes professors stronger. But at the same time, we could lower the cost of education while educating far more people if we had more holograms like Alfred Lanning from I, Robot.

      You forget the part where quality is also decreased. The vast majority of my professors have been far better than the best khan academy videos. Oddly enough, my most helpful professors were actually the best researchers as well... top names in the field who took the time to interact with students, even in large lecture halls.

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    43. Re:Human video projectors by jensen404 · · Score: 1

      Khan actually agrees with you. He encourages using the information gathered by the exercises to pair those who are doing well on a concept with those who are struggling. This tutoring lets everyone build character and strengthen knowledge, not just the instructor. If any students are still struggling, the instructor can focus their instruction to just those students and just those topics. They have more time to answer questions because they aren't spending a majority of their time giving passive lectures.

      Khan isn't trying to get rid of classrooms, he's trying to improve how they function.

      I'm not sure how well this will translate into subjects not related to math, though.

    44. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never heard of anyone who confused "us" and "use". He may need a typing teacher, sure, but I'm so fucking sick of seeing typos categorized as an English problem.

    45. Re:Human video projectors by CalcuttaWala · · Score: 1

      Believe me, as a not-so-expensive teacher in India, who has been unsuccessfully experimenting with Distance Education for quite some time, I can tell you that a watching a video is only one part of the story. The ability to feel the pulse of the audience, to take a difficult question and change the pace and style of the delivery are very important. Canned video is certainly better when nothing else is available but a human teacher cannot be replaced with a recording.

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    46. Re:Human video projectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get your point. But why should I have to pay for you to do that? If you are clearly benefiting from the feedback, then why doesn't your school make it more approachable financially? We would all win in the end, no?

      Also, why it is assumed that physical presence is required for these types of feedback? Clearly, it has been proven that it is possible to engage in thought provoking conversation through other mediums, no? (Looks at URL...slightly tongue in cheek...)

    47. Re:Human video projectors by rmcd · · Score: 1

      I'm a professor. I tell my students about Khan Academy and provide links to it. I'm teaching a relatively advanced course for which there's no good online substitute that I'm aware of. But someday there may be. And when there is, I'll hopefully be able to delegate to online learning the part that fits the online learning model, and concentrate on the part that doesn't.

      And if everything is someday subsumed by online learning or its successor, well, things change. It's very hard on the people and institutions that get steamrollered. But the world changes.

    48. Re:Human video projectors by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's a complete waste if you're not the A/V type of learner - I don't see Kahn Academy as a replacement for teachers and schools, I see it as a supplement / tool for learning ahead (parents can use K-A to teach their kids math and science over the summer between school years, students can use it as refreshers on old topics or ways to clarify topics they're currently studying).

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    49. Re:Human video projectors by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      3. A professor who knows you and sees that you are bright and a hard worker will recommend you for internships, grad school, and job openings.

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  4. Awsome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awsome I can get Music, Porn , games and online classes all from thepiratebay now!! MY IQ is going on the up and up now. lol

  5. Already made it months ago by Zurd3 · · Score: 0

    I already made a torrent file of 29 gigs of all the videos, it can be found in "Other Video Sources" here.

    1. Re:Already made it months ago by lorax · · Score: 1

      what format are the video files in the torrent? Also, what resolution, bitrate, and codec?

    2. Re:Already made it months ago by failedlogic · · Score: 2

      Glad you asked! Nothing else but the absolute minimum for a teaching videos. The torrent was made to be as small as possible (29 GB) using only the most efficient and smallest video and audio formats possible.

      Format: Blu-ray video only. You will need a burner to play the video.

      Resolution: 1080p video, 7.1 Dolby DTS audio.

      Bitrate: video at 40 Mbit/s and audio at 24.5 Mbit/s.

      Codecs are MPEG-4 AVC for video and DTS-HD (Lossless) for audio.

      This should answer your specific questions. I must say its spectacular. Its like being in the classroom!

      Note: I *might* stand to be corrected. In which case, please direct me to the appropriate Khan academy file(s) in the Torrent.

    3. Re:Already made it months ago by Zurd3 · · Score: 1

      Some in .flv, some in .mp4, they're the same as the original ones hosted on youtube.

    4. Re:Already made it months ago by shikaisi · · Score: 1

      Could you make this torrent source available any where else? My interest in using torrents is to avoid the block that my country puts on khanacademy.org, but if you torrent is on there too, I can't get to that either.

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    5. Re:Already made it months ago by Zurd3 · · Score: 1

      I create a new torrent torrent from time to time to include the newest videos and stop seeding the last torrent at the same time, that's why I don't add the torrent anywhere else, you can find the latest torrent in the link in my above comments and talks about it here. If you can't get to it, I'd suggest asking your ISP or your governments why they block it and try to change their decision, or use a proxy to get to it or ask a friend from another country to e-mail you the torrent.

    6. Re:Already made it months ago by tabrnaker · · Score: 1

      I think he was already asking somebody from another country to help him (in fact he asked the source directly) and that person just blew him off with some naive response about changing his government.

  6. Take that, filtering ISPs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Block BT traffic and be branded as anti-education!

  7. I work at a school. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    I am only a lowly IT technician. But I think I may be able to put a word in with the science faculty. Teachers like to show the occasional video in class to shut the children up while they get some marking done.

  8. *This* is the type of thing that makes me smile by StuartHankins · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At a time when so many things are wrong in this world, Khan Academy is helping countless people improve their lives through education. The help of BitTorrent brings this to even more people. Truly awesome and many thanks!

    1. Re:*This* is the type of thing that makes me smile by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I feel the need to point out that while it is great, you're somewhat exaggerating the benefit. It's not useful if you haven't gotten a basic education and if you don't have broadband, which pretty much shuts out the people that are most in need right there.

      I do support what they're doing because free or affordable education is a good thing for everybody. Except perhaps for educators, but since this really doesn't hit everybody I'm not too worried going into education.

    2. Re:*This* is the type of thing that makes me smile by StuartHankins · · Score: 2

      I would argue that torrent distribution is even more important for those without broadband... because eventually you will receive the data. With more conventional methods, auto-resuming is more complicated. With torrents it's automatic.

    3. Re:*This* is the type of thing that makes me smile by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Places like Pakistan are where the Khan academy is targeted. According to Wikipedia's statistics, the majority have finished primary school and thus are receptive enough to understand the material being laid out in the basic Khan academy lectures. I'd hope the academy expands its video base to help the millions who haven't passed the equivalent of 5th grade, but I don't know if distance learning works at such a basic level.

  9. Khan Academy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This guy is really good at explaining complex subjects. I've watched quite a few of his videos.

    1. Re:Khan Academy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh. I've only watched KA's history videos, not the math or whatever that it's known for, and found them to bereally brief and incomplete summaries. Could just read Wikipedia summaries and get more information, and faster.

      I love the concept, but I've had a lot more enjoyable learning from iTunesU.

  10. TTC Is not amused by markass530 · · Score: 1

    . Seriously, even though I personally Torrent the shit outta every copyrighted work I can get my hands on, I'm glad it is developing legitimate uses to shut up the **AA's.

    1. Re:TTC Is not amused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear you. A neat thing you can do, to take this a step further, is to take a useless old computer (486, Pentium-100, etc), setup a CLI bittorrent client with all the "legit" material you want to promote, throttle it in a way that consumes the excess monthly bandwidth you've already purchased from your ISP. Maybe set it to 20kbps max, or something, just to burn off those last 10G you never get around to using.

    2. Re:TTC Is not amused by markass530 · · Score: 1

      hmmmm very good idea. although I'm pretty f'n suprised clearwire hasn't throttled me yet, I guess they really need customers. I just passed 1 TB over the last 3 months

  11. Smart move, BT by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

    With all the scrutiny that file sharing providers are under these days, it's a good idea for someone like BT to immerse themselves and become associated with something legitimate like this. Hopefully it will make some judge later down the line think twice before having them shut down for illegal sharing.

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    1. Re:Smart move, BT by jnpcl · · Score: 0

      Bittorrent, Inc. has been doing legitimate media distribution for several years now.

  12. KHAAAANNNN!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couldn't pass up the opportunity. Maybe I should watch these videos, be enlightened, and not inclined to such pedantry...

    Anyway,I'm pleased that this kind of thing is happening openly and over a torrent network. Apple's tried to engage this kind of thing with iTunes Edu (or whatever it is) but I found the execution to be lousy, as you never know when that video's going to be yanked/expire/work on your device.
    The open-ness of this is going to be useful.I hope anyway.

  13. When you have trouble learning this stuff... by Stregano · · Score: 0

    KHAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN!

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  14. Really? by jokermatt999 · · Score: 1

    As of posting, there are 45 comments. 5 of them are "KHAAAN" jokes. 11% of the comments are literally the same lazy joke. FFS Slashdot, get some originality.

    1. Re:Really? by xmason · · Score: 0

      Chaka Khan
      Chaka Khan
      Chaka Khan let me love you let me rock you Chaka Khan

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    2. Re:Really? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but they KHAAANNN'T.

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  15. Khan as inspiration by datavirtue · · Score: 2

    I was inspired by Khan Academy to launch my first ever open source project. It replicates a little math tool Khan used to demonstrate slope-intercept in his videos, it's called eGraph. It also allows people to design, print, or project graphs in a classroom and it has a nice demo featuring the slope-intercept equation. When I saw the equation "animated" while changing the variables it instantly sunk in. During that time I was already building eGraph to design and print custom graph sheets, so I added the slope demo and released it for free. Its also a great little project for someone to learn the "meat" of several important java libraries (including Java2D - printing) and Netbeans (the source comes as a Netbeans project). http://www.datavirtue.com/egraph.html

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  16. Khan academy is great...but by PenquinCoder · · Score: 1

    I don't have a lot of spare free time to sit down and watch the videos. I would LOVE it if Khan Academy would release the lessons as understandable lecture/ audio podcasts as well. This way one could just listen to the material instead of needing the visual cues as well. I understand a lot of the subject matter can't be easily explained without visual cues, but right now if you where to just take the audio from the videos...you'd be lost as to what's going on. Podcasts please, not just a release of the youtube videos.

  17. Because I'm looking at faces... by jeko · · Score: 2

    No teacher worth a damn is just reading a script, even when they're teaching a class of 1000,,,

    When I give a lecture, the students are feeding me information at the same time I'm feeding them. When I see a class filled with gray hair, I know I can get away with a Jerry Garcia reference. That won't work if I'm looking at kids wearing t-shirts from the latest Disney TV show. Am I getting silence because I have the class in rapt attention, or is it just the lull before the snoring starts? Are the frowns and forehead creases because they have no idea what I'm talking about or because I just tried to reference Charles Darwin in Dallas?

    The difference between watching a video of a class and actually being in a classroom is the difference between watching porn and actually having sex.

       

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    1. Re:Because I'm looking at faces... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being a person who has attained almost all the advanced knowledge I have through self-study and personal discovery--and I have kept perfect pace with the numerous M.S./PhDs in the various fields I have worked in--, I have to completely disagree with you on this one.

      First of all, your likening of the interaction level found in a classroom to that of sex is inaccurate. Especially in undergrad courses (I have attended many), the level of interaction during lectures is minimal--which is why they are commonly called lectures. This may differ at an Ivy League, but I sincerely doubt it. A more proper object of analogy would have been "a live sex show"--which are often audience engaging. ;-)

      Second of all, if a student requires the level of handholding that you suggest, then I would posit that they will most likely never go on to contribute anything of importance to the field or even forget what they learned years later as it loses relevance; in the worst case, you have wasted both yours and their time (and money). Just how many taxonomies do you actually remember from your Botany/Biology courses?

      The reality is, tertiary educational institutes the world over are going to face a serious crisis, as they are most unwilling to adapt to the "new society" for fear of lost revenue. The antiquated "classroom education" at the undergrad level will be phased out in favor of institutionally sponsored "socialized education:" think Khan + Wikipedia + Social Forum. Gone will be the days that people must saddle themselves with 10s of thousands of dollars of debt to gain a basic eduction of acceptable utility. A good indicator as to the resistance that universities naturally harbor against "self-study" is the fact that one is severely limited in the extent to which they can "place out" of college courses, and the few credits that are available through these means are still heavily levied against, as it were.

      Now, admittedly, there are inherent limitations to this new paradigm: namely, the impracticability of labs, etc.--however, even many of these can be simulated.

      There are forward thinking universities, like MIT, that are embracing the new era of education to some degree by offering minimal course work online, but even these are lacking in many regards--I assume purposefully!

    2. Re:Because I'm looking at faces... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're teaching to the average guy in your class. Anyone who's not average won't get such a great experience from you. Perhaps those guys will wish they could just fast forward or rewind you to better meet their own learning requirements. Just like a recording. Oh wait ...
      BTW, you seen any movies recently, or do you only ever go to live theater?

    3. Re:Because I'm looking at faces... by panoplos · · Score: 1

      This was my comment. Didn't realize that I was not logged in. My apologies.

    4. Re:Because I'm looking at faces... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a University student, Khan academy taught me more about Calculus that my Calculus professor did. Khan academy taught me more about statistics than my statistics teacher did. I'm sorry, but whatever a professor brings the table "in person", no matter how brilliant, they cannot compete with videos that, 1.can be viewed at my leisure 2. videos that I can rewind and go at my own pace 3. Videos that are edited by their producers to correct mistakes or better explain topics. I've seen many, many so called "Doctors." that have little to no aptitude for teaching... let me stick with the videos and self-education please.

      I sincerely hope that the profession of teaching dies in almost all of its forms today.

    5. Re:Because I'm looking at faces... by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      I'm in grad school at the same university where I got my bachelors. They've set it up now so that professors just need to click a button on the computer in the classroom and it records all audio and anything projected onto the board (powerpoint, overhead, video, etc) - these are then automatically posted online. It's great because it allows an easy review of the lecture, to see the professor work out examples again, and if you miss class you can still get every last bit of the lecture. However, it's not a worthy replacement for going to class at all, merely a supplement. If you never interact with a professor, you never get to ask questions related to their research and side projects as well as they never get to see what kind of a person you are and thus be able to recommend you for jobs.

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    6. Re:Because I'm looking at faces... by idle12 · · Score: 1

      A professor is there to teach, not recommend you for jobs.

      A college isn't a trade's school. You got there to maximize your education, knowledge and understanding. Not to network or kiss ass to your teachers so they'll get you some crappy internship job.

    7. Re:Because I'm looking at faces... by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      A professor who's good in his field is well known in the area (potentially the country / global industry) and thus, if they see you are a good student, will recommend you for a job (as in an ACTUAL job, not an internship). Your bitterness implies that you're a poor student and thus no one would recommend you for jobs.

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  18. Missing the Point by gpmanrpi · · Score: 1

    I feel like some comments are missing the point. I think Khan Academy works best in conjunction with some kind of normal curriculum. Repetitio Est Mater Studiorum as the saying goes. Khan Academy provides a way to hear the same thing in a voice different from one's instructor. It also solves the general problem of losing concentration during a lecture, and not being able to adequately replay the concept in a derivative way as opposed to the way many textbooks explain concepts that build on other concepts.
    While it can also be the basis for independent learning, there is something to be said for having a source textbook of problems with an index for easy look-up. Perhaps this is an opportunity for textbook marketers to link up with Khan Academy as well as a way to develop their teacher's manuals for lesson planning, or maybe one of the many open/free science textbooks out there to really make a positive push in these budget limited times. The bittorrent angle just gives an official torrent distribution methodology that does not depend or get limited by YouTube, and therefore really allows for penetration to areas that may not have reliable internet, but want some high quality instructional videos (read poor areas with spotty internet and low budgets)
    Quick Bias Disclaimer: The site has been invaluable to me as I have recently decided to take a bunch of pre-med classes and take the MCAT. I am an attorney with BS in CompSci, but I had not taken any science courses in 6 years. It helps to reacquaint yourself with old mathematical friends you haven't had to use in a while, and it is easy to cherry pick cross product and dot product videos, or review how to use matrices to solve multi-variable problems without a calculator.

  19. Phone-home DRM by tepples · · Score: 0

    Why stream it on demand, if you can download it ahead of time, effectively having a local cache that will not lose its educational value in five or likely even ten years?

    When the subject is art appreciation, a Free textbook can teach only about works whose authors died before January 1, 1941. Anything newer, and the copyright owners of the works discussed in the textbook will demand phone-home DRM.

  20. Put english on the ball by tepples · · Score: 1

    English is a proper noun and should be capitalized accordingly.

    Usually, yes. But "english" is lowercase when you're teaching someone how to play billiards.

    1. Re:Put english on the ball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but that's a different word, even though it has the same spelling.

      The prior comment stands. [strikes gavel] Next case... will the next pedant please rise?

  21. Similar program at MIT by Xeth · · Score: 1

    At MIT, there is a similar project called BLOSSOMS. One would hope that these types of programs would be able to find common ground to get positive network effects.

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  22. Claim that TV is boring by tepples · · Score: 1

    Also, there's nothing more boring in the world than watching a canned lecture.

    That sounds to me like you're claiming that noninteractive TV is boring. Yet in fact, it isn't boring to the majority, or it wouldn't draw advertisers. It's all in the presentation: see Beakman, Bill Nye, or anything on Discovery Networks.

  23. Khan Academy - New American Education Revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Khan Academy has produced the FINEST Academic Courses on line for HIgh School and College Curriculums that are FREE. There is no reason why students of All Ages, young and older can not get a REAL Education Superior to the Junk taught in most seondary schools and many Colleges. This is going to be a NEW AMERICAN EDUCATION REVOLUTION.

  24. Why not go with open-source implementation? by cyberzade · · Score: 1

    This is truly great news. But why not go with an open-source platform/project?

    1. Re:Why not go with open-source implementation? by EliotVU · · Score: 1
  25. No foreign lanugages yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I installed the application on my torrent client. But, aside from the 'History' category, I was disappointed at the lack of videos related to non-scientific subjects.

    I know that I stand apart from most of the Slashdot crowd on this one, but I would be interested in some language classes; I'm a linguist by trade.

    1. Re:No foreign lanugages yet? by B_SharpC · · Score: 0

      Pay for it. Rosetta Stone cost thousands of dollars because quality costs money.
      A 'free' foreign language will waste far more money in lost opportunity cost.
      It is better that the child get a job, earn money, buy Rosetta Stone, and learn quickly instead of wasting time on some knee jerk free language that is not free with your time.

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  26. Classroom Spectaculars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our kids could all have a world-class education if we'd only put Classroom Spectaculars in every K-12 school.
    Read topic #4 of www.ideasforourfuture.com
    Stop the boredom, get kids TURNED ON to learning.

  27. what khan videos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    give an example

    1. Re:what khan videos? by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      Instead of comparing a weak video, I'll cover one of the topics I feel Khan Academy covers very well: two-tailed vs. one-tailed tests in Stats. Khan Academy gives a great illustration of working through the problem, and tries to touch on the "why", but it doesn't compare to the in-person experience I had.

      My experience with it was in an ~300-person lecture hall class. Despite this, the professor took multiple questions, calling on students by name, and reconfigured his approach when he realized where people were having trouble with it. He offered multiple explanations, multiple examples, and then went on to discuss the application to various fields. In Political Science, for instance, there have been issues with cheating, where people realized their results were insignificant with a one-tailed test but could get significant results with two-tailed and subsequently changed their tests to get results. Because of this, two-tailed tests are generally frowned upon.

      Khan Academy can't gear the lecture towards a different audience (high school students vs. poli sci majors vs. pre-meds), and they can't adequately address field-specific concerns. By definition, videos can't re-tack and approach a problem in a different way based on feedback.

      The videos are an incredible supplement, and they're better than most textbooks, but they absolutely could not replace the professors in 95% of my classes.

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    2. Re:what khan videos? by idle12 · · Score: 1

      It's one guy though (Khan that is) but he reaches thousands if not millions.

      Your professor may be brilliant, but how many can he hope to reach in the same amount of time? 300 per class, 2 classes per semester and 2 semesters per year? 1.2K? ~2K per year?

      Why couldn't your professor post a guest video to Khan or youtube? Lesson titled "Professor XYZ from ABC University on two-tailed vs. one-tailed tests on in relation Political Science considerations"? Do the lesson then you could also have a supplementary "Q&A" video of students asking common questions.

      With technology these days he could probably hire a few ungrad film students to record, edit and post it for low or no cost.

      Education/knowledge is like art. It doesn't do much good locked away were no one can get at it.

  28. Here are the torrents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can use the same process for other 'utorrent apps'
    - Get the app from http://www.utorrent.com/apps
    - Unzip and have a look at libs/*.js
    - It seems that there's some of js/json work there, so playing around with the urls gives me:
    Playlists: http://bittorrent.cloudant.com/khan-academy/_design/playlists/_view/category?group_level=1
    video previews?: http://bittorrent.cloudant.com/khan-academy/_design//videos/_view/views?descending=true&limit=5
    torrents:) http://bittorrent.cloudant.com/khan-academy/_design//playlists/_view/title
    You may use a bit of python json to parse the torrents json page

    1. Re:Here are the torrents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1600-algebra.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1599-algebra-i-worked-examples.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1601-arithmetic.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1602-banking-and-money.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1603-biology.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1604-brain-teasers.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1605-cahsee-example-problems.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1606-calculus.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1608-california-standards-test_-algebra-i.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1607-california-standards-test_-algebra-ii.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1609-california-standards-test_-geometry.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1610-chemistry.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1611-ck12org-algebra-1-examples.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1612-cosmology-and-astronomy.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1613-credit-crisis.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1614-currency.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1615-current-economics.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1616-developmental-math.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1618-finance.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1619-geithner-plan.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1620-geometry.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1621-gmat-data-sufficiency.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1622-gmat_-problem-solving.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1623-history.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1624-iit-jee-questions.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1625-linear-algebra.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1626-ma-tests-for-education-licensure-_mtel_--pre-alg.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1627-organic-chemistry.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1628-paulson-bailout.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1629-physics.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1630-pre-algebra.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1631-precalculus.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1632-probability.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1633-related-talks-and-interviews.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1634-sat-preparation.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1636-statistics.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1637-trigonometry.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1638-valuation-and-investing.torrent
      http://www.clearbits.net/get/1639-venture-capital-and-capital-markets.torrent

  29. COPYRIGHT VIDEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or, for people under 30, there's Two Kirks, a Khan, and a Pizza Place.

    Since I can't see the video from outside the USA, my daughter said,"Oh, the video is just for dumb people."

  30. feedback by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's easier to learn when you have feedback, someone rewarding you for doing well and punishing you for doing bad. Would anyone get better at playing a game if they neither won nor lost? The Khan academy has a great advantage in the context of mass education: It removes the influence of negative peer pressure. It's great disadvantage is that it doesn't provide a reward system.

  31. Free equals Junk by B_SharpC · · Score: 0

    Stuff is free for a reason, it is poor quality junk.
    BitTorrent cannot guarantee integrity and authorship. Anybody can modify free content and re-upload it as trash and deception. Pity the children.
    Only paid content can guarantee quality. Nothing's free. * cough, Economics, cough *. Put that in your Education pipe and smoke it.

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  32. Video v. very large lecture halls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Under President Hutchins,(ABOUT 1932) the Univ Chicago had 4 reqired core courses, HUMANITIES, SOCIAL SCIENCE, BIOLOGICAL SCIENCE AND PHYSICAL SCIENCE. BRILLIANT LECTURERS LECTURED TO ABOUT 500-800 STUDENTS, 4 DAYS PER WEEK. COMPREHENSIVE EXAMS WERE GIVEN AT THE END OF THE ACADEMIC YEAR. ONE EXAM, THOSE CORE COURSES WERE ONE HELL OF AN EDUCATION

    NOW NEARLY 80 YEARS LATER YOU CAN HEAR BRILLIANT LECTURERS EDUCATE YOU AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE UNIV OF CHICAGO

    PS IN 1934 TUITION AT UNIV CHICAGO WAS $300/YEAR.

    HAPPY ALUNNUS OF UC