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Proposed Standard Would Address Video Buffering

Lucas123 writes "Sony, SanDisk and several other technology providers have formed a group and proposed a standard that would use predictive software to pre-load content onto mobile devices in order to preempt buffering issues due to bandwidth bottlenecks, which industry experts say will only worsen over time. 'Intelligently coordinating content delivery in advance to local device storage lets consumers enjoy their video, games, periodicals, books and music when they're ready,' said Susan Kevorkian, a research director at IDC. The proposed standard also raises the question: do we really want Amazon downloading everything it thinks you want to your tablet?"

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  1. Sony? Standard? by sltd · · Score: 2

    If it's coming from Sony, I'm not sure it would be particularly suitable for a standard. There's probably half a dozen potential patents there.

    1. Re:Sony? Standard? by Shikaku · · Score: 2

      Better than RealPlayer.

    2. Re:Sony? Standard? by pinkishpunk · · Score: 2
      Sony's autoupdater they install on vaio laptop, downloads video ads in the 100mb once in a while to show off new products.

      Sounds great, push ads over a metered slow mobil connection.

    3. Re:Sony? Standard? by naz404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So the solution to not having enough bandwidth is to chew up more bandwidth by pre-loading content which you might not need?

    4. Re:Sony? Standard? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cost and availability of bandwidth varies extremely much depending on where you are and by what way you're connected. I recently bought Fifa 11 for my iPhone (1$ sale on valentine's day, massive bang for the buck) and it was 800 MB+, way more than my 500 MB/month quota. There is an unlimited plan but it costs hellishly much and the phone doesn't let you download apps over 20 MB via 3G anyway. Was that a problem? No, because i downloaded it over my wifi which is hooked up to a 25 Mbit line with no quota.

      While it is in range of my wifi, I wouldn't mind if it loaded up on content I'd want to watch. I just don't think there's any automated system intelligent enough - or rather clairvoyant enough - to actually be useful. I could see it for stuff I was subscribed to, like "When there's a new episode of the Simpsons and I'm on wifi then automatically predownload" sort of thing but not in general. That is, if such a service existed.

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    5. Re:Sony? Standard? by somersault · · Score: 2

      When there's a new episode of the Simpsons and I'm on wifi then automatically predownload" sort of thing but not in general. That is, if such a service existed.

      I thought iTunes did that? My flatmate made it sound like that's what happens on his iTunes/iPad combo anyway..

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  2. This may be a crazy idea by sjames · · Score: 2

    Howsabout this: Provide more bandwidth than a Dixie cup on a string and then buffer a bit for safety when the user actually selects content.

    1. Re:This may be a crazy idea by Junkyboy55 · · Score: 2

      I think that would be too fast for anyone's comfort. They won't settle until they max out the bandwidth the string can handle forcing you to upgrade. It's just how the system works...

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    2. Re:This may be a crazy idea by clang_jangle · · Score: 2

      Howsabout this: Provide more bandwidth than a Dixie cup on a string

      See, now that's just insul;ting and uncalled for. They reached the level of Pringle's-can-with-piano-wire, far surpassing the old Dixie-cup-on-a-string model nearly 18 months ago. Credit where credit is due, please...

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  3. Intelligent delivery in advance lets consumers... by c0lo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... eat their data quota in no time. Consequently, telcos will get enough money to pay us royalty for our patented technologies.

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  4. Bandwidth caps & charges by werdnapk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are these providers going to cover the charges associated with downloading unneeded data to consumers devices?

    1. Re:Bandwidth caps & charges by alostpacket · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do you work for Sony or SanDisk? Because I was gonna come and post the same question only to find my post has already been preloaded on to Slashdot. :\

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  5. Download the damn thing by saibot834 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Back in those days when I had a crappy internet connection, I downloaded all video files. Sure, I had to wait some time until it was done, but at least I didn't have to wait every 10 seconds while watching the video. It's much cleaner, you can fast-forward, go backwards, watch the whole thing a second time, with no delay whatsoever. And no Flash.

    I never really understood why video sites don't have a download option. It would make watching videos over a small internet connection so much better. (Then again I guess they don't want us to leave their site and watch videos without their annoying ads)

    1. Re:Download the damn thing by Cinder6 · · Score: 2

      You could always just wait for the video to buffer all the way, which is like downloading (only it's nonpersistent, so you have to download it again if you want to watch it some other session).

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    2. Re:Download the damn thing by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      "never really understood why video sites don't have a download option"

      That's obvious. If you download the video, you see the adverts once. If you stream it, you see new adverts every time you watch.

  6. Have a seat over there by JumperCable · · Score: 5, Insightful

    do we really want Amazon downloading everything it thinks you want to your tablet?"

    It's all fun and games until you visit 4chan and get something preloaded you don't want.

    1. Re:Have a seat over there by TheLink · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then they'll just preload you into jails because of your precrime with preadults :).

      After you prepay for that privilege of course.

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  7. More like by Issarlk · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sony has formed a group and proposed a standard that would use predictive software to pre-load rootkits and spyware onto mobile devices in order to preempt content piracy issues due to increasing bandwidth, which industry experts say will only get larger. 'Intelligently coordinating rootkit delivery in advance to local device storage lets consumers enjoy their legitimate video, games, periodicals, books and music without fear of piracy,' said Susan Kevorkian, a research director at IDC.

    FTFY

  8. Bad idea. by atari2600a · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's been done before & it sucks, especially on low-end devices (this is why whenever I find a Windows rig that has & will never have more than 1GB of RAM, I disable the Superfetch & readyboost services!) What they REALLY need is an intelligent distributed proxy system at every call tower where hits are tallied by region/state/nation, in that order, & pre-distributed accordingly-- pushing it to every device is just fucking retarded.

    1. Re:Bad idea. by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Informative

      Uhhh...you DO realize you have fallen for a classic Windows urban legend, yes? Superfetch will automatically hand memory over to programs if they request it, so all you are doing is making sure you have a pile of empty RAM for...what exactly? Just to say you have it?

      And Readyboost uses a flash drive for a cache and is completely optional so A.-You won't even have it if you don't specifically choose to use it, and B.-a flash drive has faster random reads than any HDD so you are just making sure your random reads take longer again...why?

      I would suggest you read about SuperFetch and ReadyBoost rather than act like it is still 1998 and the only thing that matters is how much free RAM task manager says it has. Unless of course you just WANT your PC to be slow for some reason, and if that is the case carry on!

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    2. Re:Bad idea. by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 2

      Well, maybe Microsoft should update their task manager to distinguish between
      -in use by programs
      -in use as cache or superfetch (which is similar in purpose, only superfetch tries to guess in advance what you want).
      -unused
      That would clear up the confusion. For a company that is otherwise so good at marketing, not showing this distinction seems a big fail. I could go on about other shortcomings in Task Manager, but that would be offtopic...

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    3. Re:Bad idea. by jedwidz · · Score: 2

      What you're missing is that Superfetch doesn't just 'hand memory over to programs', it has to actually load data from disk. That ties up your disk, which slows down the entire machine for anything else you might happen to be using for at the time, provided that involves at least some disk access (i.e., pretty much anything).

      I don't mind having to wait a short time for an application to launch when I (first) ask for it to launch. I definitely do mind having to wait for the application to load while I'm in the middle of doing something else, especially when I wasn't going to use it anyway.

      When Superfetch is combined with various other processes that also use disk at random times, in particular search indexing and virus checking, the net result is a frustratingly sluggish machine that sits there with its disk buzzing constantly.

      To be clear, I think the boot-time enhancing functionality of Superfetch is great, but the application pre-loading is a disaster.

  9. Re:Intelligent delivery in advance lets consumers. by c0lo · · Score: 2

    You have a 'data quota'? What kind of a 3rd world country still has those...

    "Data plan for 3 or 4G mobile networks" sounds better to you?
    Even on the tubez, do you think is better to have unlimited but QoS-es traffic or a limited traffic quota with no QoS?

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  10. Re:Download Accelerator!!! HD. by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually some of those download accellerators were pretty clever. They downloaded the HTML for all the sites that a site linked to. So for instance while I'm reading a story on the NYT all of the linked stories start downloading. It isn't perpetual motion, it's just anticipation.

    Similarly if Netflix wanted to start downloading all of the episodes to a Miniseries that I start watching while I sleep so that I can watch them in HD even with a slower connection... all the more power to them.

    In fact my two 2TB HDDs are mostly unused. If they want to download all of my recommended Netflix movies but dynamically delete them when I need more space.. again all the more power to them if it doesn't interfere with my normal browsing.

    There is a lot of time while I'm at work where my internet connection could be going full tilt caching my potential entertainment. In fact it doesn't even have to cache all of it--just enough so that there is no buffering.

  11. Re:Download Accelerator!!! HD. by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

    Yeah but my phone isn't busy while I sleep, it's plugged in and I bet Cell Phone companies aren't worried about tower overload since everyone is more spread out in their individual homes (hopefully on wifi nonetheless).

    I only just finished filling up my 32GB Zune player with music from Zunepass. It took me about 3 years of selecting songs I wanted to listen to. With a subscription service like Zune it really makes sense to just fill the device to the brim and then delete unlistened to music.

    If it takes what I have chosen and creates a playlist it's usually very good with SmartDJ. I could see that working perfectly for music.

    Honestly though based on my Netflix behavior I imagine they could make a very well educated guess as to what I might stream next. Most people have about 4-5 shows they watch. Once TV shifts almost exclusively to TCP/IP then every week you'll probably download the same 4-5 shows.

    What I would really like to see is to shift more service databases to local ISPs. Why should Netflix have a server in everybody's hometown? How large is their h264 library? 100TB? Instance a copy of likely films to the ISP so that they can stream it directly to their customers.

  12. You can't wait a few seconds? by trawg · · Score: 2

    I don't get this. People can't wait a few seconds for buffering? A few seconds for some data from some computer that is probably hidden in a data centre somewhere, thousands of kilometers away to get turned magically into a signal that is then transported to you over the biggest computer network ever created by humanity, then it is beamed somehow to you no matter where you are - walking down the street, sitting in your car at traffic lights, or lying in bed.

    I can wait a few seconds; I spend them thinking "...how the fuck!@? This is awesome!@#"

  13. Low Bandwidth by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

    Never underestimate the bandwidth of a US Postal Service delivery truck full of Bluray Discs.

    My wife and I occasionally watch Netflix streaming, but the quality is terrible, so we usually just plan ahead and get the Blurays delivered.

    We get 3 at a time, and it takes a day for the movies to get to us. So, if a BRD is 50GB, that's 150GB/24 hours, which is well beyond the point where our ISP would say we've exceeded our "unlimited" usage plan and turn us off anyway.