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What Would You Do With Open.org?

itwbennett writes "The Linux Fund recently bought the open.org domain at auction for an undisclosed sum. Now begins the challenge of doing something with it — something that generates enough revenue to be self-sustaining."

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  1. I know! by loftwyr · · Score: 5, Funny

    A repository of knock spells? Sure to be a winner!

    1. Re:I know! by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 5, Funny

      How about a single page with a large graphic saying:
      CLOSED

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  2. Goatse host by BumbaCLot · · Score: 5, Funny

    What is more open than goatse?

    1. Re:Goatse host by pandrijeczko · · Score: 3, Funny

      A fanboi's mouth when Steve Jobs asks to shit in it?

      Oh, sorry, didn't realise it was a rhetorical one...

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  3. Step... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. Buy domain
    2. ??
    3. Profit!!

    1. Re:Step... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Exactly!

      Why did pepsi get pepsi.com when http://www.geocities.com/9843PepsiCo32 was good enough?

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    2. Re:Step... by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, they've been having technical problems since October 26, 2009!

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  4. Make money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Porn. no better option.

    1. Re:Make money? by Goaway · · Score: 2, Funny

      Big beards.

    2. Re:Make money? by MrEricSir · · Score: 2

      Neckbeard porn?

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  5. Open Source but not necessarily free app store. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Something like the Mac App Store, but cross platform and accepting only open source submissions. Take a 30% cut of paid downloads.

    1. Re:Open Source but not necessarily free app store. by BiggoronSword · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apart from the commission, this sounds like Freshmeat, Tucows, or Sourceforge.

      They probably make money off of ad revenue

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    2. Re:Open Source but not necessarily free app store. by SpeZek · · Score: 2

      Good idea, except that the people most likely to use such open-source apps are the same people who are likely to just download the source and compile if binaries aren't available. Where's the profit?
      Plus, we already have sourceforge.

    3. Re:Open Source but not necessarily free app store. by Foofoobar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Better. Supply open source support for sourceforge/open source projects.

      Allow people to signup (with valid paypal account) and they go into a support pool for open source projects. People who answer questions correctly (or get most points) get most pay while fewer points get a smaller percentage of pay for that question.

      People who wish to pay for support can sign up for an unlimited number of questions or pay per question asked. The amount would be based on each project and the popularity and number of downloads of said project (or something like that). Percentage of pay could also go to maintainers of project.

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    4. Re:Open Source but not necessarily free app store. by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe I'm not the only one, but while sourceforge/freshmeant/whatever is a good place to find good open source apps, you also have to wade through a pile of garbage to get to them. Maybe open.org could be a place where only the elite apps get shown off, to get across to people that open source software really is amazing, if you ignore all the terrible or half done projects. Sure it's not very "open" but would go a long way to getting the average Joe to using open source software.

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    5. Re:Open Source but not necessarily free app store. by OakDragon · · Score: 2

      And I may be in the minority, but I would pay X amount of money for open source and free apps that were compiled and packaged. (X being reasonably small.)

    6. Re:Open Source but not necessarily free app store. by darkpixel2k · · Score: 2

      Apart from the commission, this sounds like Freshmeat, Tucows, or Sourceforge.

      They probably make money off of ad revenue

      Uuh...how many 'open source' users do you know that have AdBlock turned off?

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    7. Re:Open Source but not necessarily free app store. by vlm · · Score: 2

      And I may be in the minority, but I would pay X amount of money for open source and free apps that were compiled and packaged. (X being reasonably small.)

      We have had this for decades. No kidding.

      You could hire one of these guys to produce the exact free app that you want, to the exact packaging specs you want, with the exact compile time options you want. You can't lose, and everyone wins. Kind of the opposite of the banking system where heads they win or tails you lose.

      http://www.debian.org/consultants

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    8. Re:Open Source but not necessarily free app store. by Americano · · Score: 2

      And meanwhile, a bunch of FOSS pedants will debate whether "open.org" is truly "open," with half concluding that it's fine, and the other half declaring holy war on open.org because it's not a 100% completely free and open. And then we could fully expect GPLv4 to require that all distribution services be ideologically pure in letter and spirit.

      Either that, or it'll be started in a rush of enthusiasm, and then the maintainers will realize "Gee, this writing and updating stuff is boring and hard. Let's just go write code," and so open.org will turn into abandonware with no updates or improvements for years -- just like the bulk of Sourceforge.

  6. derp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shouldnt they have a clue what they will do with the domain before blowing money into the wind?

  7. self-sustaining ? by BisexualPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    something that generates enough revenue to be self-sustaining

    Like capable of generating $30 per month ? Seems hard.

  8. Not just software by Chuckles08 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It would be great if open.org was a place to find not just software but other types of open source content and resources that could be used creatively with open software. I'm thinking of sites like the Encyclopedia of Life (eol.org), freesound.org, and the like.

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    1. Re:Not just software by peterhil · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I second this idea, I would like to see it become a useful resource for both users and developers/artists. There could be a directory and a customized search engine pointing to good resources about open source and creative commons materials.

      For developers it could help find libraries with selected license (BSD and MIT like licenses in addition to GPL like), links to free tutorials, books, documentation and interesting projects to collaborate by language, information about different licenses. Also a message board or news section for finding collaborators for and announcing new projects might be useful.

      Wiki works too for a dictionary claryifying some terms about open source, but I think it should just be a part of the site. I see a collectively edited Dmoz or Yahoo style link directory equally useful. For inspiration on making new users for open source software: http://www.opensourcemac.org/

      On the software side, there is already Github, Sourceforge and many more, but open.org could provide some visual statistics about most used open source software, most active projects, most liked projects the information being collected from different sites and repository hosts. Github and ohloh.net do a good work of being useful for both developers and users. In my opinion Sourceforge has gone much worse in this respect in the last two versions, unvisionarily mixing the two sides and not catering to either.

      As for the self-sustaining revenue: On the web there's generally four ways to make money:
      Donations, ads, selling some useful items or services and porn.

  9. To hell with revenue by DoktorSeven · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Start something that promotes open software, open ideas, and open standards. Take on Microsoft and other companies head on. Show people what quality software and open standards do for everyone.

    That's what I'd do.

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    1. Re:To hell with revenue by JoeCommodore · · Score: 2

      Don't forget also open source advocacy and marketing materials.

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    2. Re:To hell with revenue by NevarMore · · Score: 2

      Show people what quality software and open standards do for everyone.

      That's what I'd do.

      Who ensures quality? Part of the supposed value in iTunes and Androids marketplace is that the applications are submitted, reviewed, and only added if they are up to snuff. Even with something like Canonicals Ubuntu repositories there is still a bit of junk in there that is easy to install, but hard to make it work and do what it was supposed to do. Theres no easy feedback. A nag screen isn't quite right, but if I remove a package I should be able to say "this was crap" or "didnt meet my needs" and give some feedback about the app.

      So having yet another open source repo where anyone can submit and make available anything won't fly. Something thats too reviewed and restricted won't work either. I think the middle ground is something with an aggressive ranking, rating, and feedback mechanism that will show off the good stuff, and let the crap sink.

  10. linux and windows app store by louic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A free, open source "app store", of course! A database with open source programs (similar to the Ubuntu Software Centre), but including windows programs. With systems to search for, rate and review open source applications, with screen shots, installation instructions and everything. I cannot think of anything more useful than that. This is easily self-sustaining if they did not spend more than $1000 on the domain. If they did, the best option is to sell it and buy a cheaper domain name.

  11. It's obvious by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Funny

    I would immediately counter by selling close.org.

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  12. I suffer from a similar quandary by stox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I own neutrality.org. If any readers would be interested in assisting me in fighting the good fight, please drop me a note at ideas@neutrality.org. My intent is to use this to promote network neutrality, and not to make a quick buck.

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    1. Re:I suffer from a similar quandary by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2

      I own newtrally.org. If any readers would be interested in assisting me in all-terrain amphibian racing, please drop me a note at ideas@newtrally.org. My intent is to use this to promote newts rallying, and not to make a quick buck.
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  13. A new marketing campaign for open source by suso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think there needs to be a fresh new marketing campaign that reintroduces the concept of open source software to people (including the geeks) because it seems that a lot of the efforts have fizzled out or become misunderstood by the latest generation.

  14. Re:revenue by snookerhog · · Score: 2

    you forgot about the "undisclosed sum" that they had to pay up front...

  15. Create a brand by neokushan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Part of the "problem" with open source is that only us geek types give a damn about it. Average joe doesn't care about how "open" what he's buying is, which is why people continue to buy closed systems without a second thought.

    Open.org could be the face of open platforms. Get a nice logo and some sort of catchy slogan "Approved by Open.org - your software, how you want it" or something. So when Microsoft releases a new "open" standard that isn't actually that open, open.org could be the ones fighting to make it as open as possible, supporting a truly open alternative, keeping things that are supposed to be open, but aren't, in check (I'm looking at you, Oracle) and generally educating the masses on why being open is "cool" and why they should care, as well as encouraging companies to open up their products more.

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    1. Re:Create a brand by trollertron3000 · · Score: 2

      Today's Open Source programmers seem to be really smart at marketing, making nice sites and logos and selling the idea. I wrote, and still write, GPL'd software but never really tried to hard to market it having just a CVS database and a page on source forge. All info was in a README.

      Honestly I'm very impressed. Some of the projects look very professional. You go guys, you're making it happen.

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    2. Re:Create a brand by CannonballHead · · Score: 2

      That'd be cool, except that slogans are annoying. Especially bad slogans. They just sound hokey. From Where do you want to go today? to the Burger King or McDonald's or whatever I like it my way things ... if anything, they make me want to laugh. A trustworthy brand is pretty cool, helpful, and nice to be able to rely on; slogans are something I've never figured out the point of. :)

  16. Social Network + Freshmeat by Dharkfiber · · Score: 2

    Isn't that what it is all about? Trying to find a community that is dedicated to open source projects and finding out about the projects they are working on? Make it easy to get on their CSV and contribute.

  17. copyleft repository by WiglyWorm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are so many OSS/FOSS repositories out there. I'd love to see them help foster the copyleft movement and get a directory of creative commons art, audio, video, and ui elements. It would both benefit Linux itself, and attract high traffic for people looking for stock photos etc. thus, ad revenue.

  18. Re:New business model by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Informative
    Considering that it was already being used for something better than "OGM I can get open.org - what can I do with it?"

    The domain name was recently acquired by Linux Fund from the City of Salem, Oregon for an undisclosed amount. Salem's public library was using the domain for a kids-to-Internet program entitled the Oregon Public Education Network. The Linux Fund purchased the domain at public auction.

    ... maybe they can return it to its original use - but it wasn't just for kids, as you can see if you look at the archives.

    snapshot index from wayback machine, from a few years ago, the shutting down notification page.

    So, why not the Open Public Education Network? It's self-referential, same as Linux Is Not Unix, or Gnu's Not Unux.

  19. Solutions Database by Anonymous+Showered · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For individuals or for business, the site could offer alternatives and/or solutions to common problems. It can also promote open standards for others to follow.

    e.g. replacement Office suite = Libre Office, ProTools = Audacity, SAP ERP = OpenTaps, OpenBravo, etc.

    You can setup case studies to advocate the use of open source software and solutions.

    This wouldn't just apply to software. You can also throw in hardware designs too (I'm thinking Arduino stuff).

    A source of income could be companies that advertise on the site, offering their expertise in setting up open source business systems.

  20. Open Philosophy by mfh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Construct the Open Manifesto.

    Open government, open code -- open philosophy.

    Open honesty between all humans. Truth: you are all bags of carbon and mostly water.

    Reality: We need to become completely open if we hope to achieve a successful deep space program with multigenerational stability, and save our species from extinction, which will happen unless we all work together towards a multigenerational goal of continuing the species.

    Governments are corrupt. Politicians lie to get votes, even good ones. That can't be allowed anywhere for the open philosophy to prevail.

    We must hunt down and expose all those who wish to hide secrets. Off with their heads! (I mean: revoke their parking pass for a week).

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  21. Employment Agency by lymond01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A single site to register open source software developers. It would work like a temp agency -- you pay the developer $30/hour, the hiring company pays you $45/hour. There may be something else out there but it would be nice to have a central community for hiring experts on Plone, Python, Drupal, Graphic Design, MySQL, Postgres, etc. Something that showcases their resumes, portfolio, photos of their mom's basement, etc.

  22. advocacy... and blame. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A list of all the companies that support open standards and are heros of freedom and democracy.

    and a list of all the closed and abusive standards and the companies that force them upon society, exposing them as the terrorists and haters of humanity they are.

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  23. Re:New business model by tomhudson · · Score: 2

    It doesn't have to be - MIT is doing nice stuff with their opencourseware. Of course, that's not as interesting to the masses as re-shooting the Harper Valley PTA TV series would be.

  24. Openstandards database by tsa · · Score: 2

    Make a database on it containing all open standards, like pdf, odf, HTML, etc. But not OOXML. I bet even MS will not ask to have it on there.

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  25. Promotion and information by MaWeiTao · · Score: 2

    Use it to market the value of open source. Perhaps feature a whole section with tips on switching and cover the basic challenges a user might face. A resource where new users aren't going to be judged for their ignorance about Linux.

    A domain like this shouldn't be wasted catering to a community already sold on the concept.

  26. Re:Self-sustaining? by 1s44c · · Score: 2

    What does "self-sustaining" mean? Obviously, there is the cost of hosting the site and maintaining the domain registration, but that isn't a lot of money. Is $20/month on the conservative side really that hard to get? Recouping the cost of purchasing the website is a different issue, but that money has already been spent.

    In this context "self-sustaining" means able to generate enough income to pay off the huge bank loan involved in buying the domain with enough left over to pay for a few 100K a year salaries for management staff who don't work more than an hour a week. It's a dot-com bubble concept.

  27. open source support by Foofoobar · · Score: 2

    Additionally, you could even charge people a nominal yearly fee for access as what you would be creating is an online knowledge base for support and trouble shooting of just about every open source project in the world. This would be WORTH a monthly/yearly fee and most companies would gladly pay a small 'per license fee' or one lump sum fee just for the support.

    Considering the route Canonical is going, you could easily work out an agreement with them more than likely (as long as they got THEIR cut) and eventually expand into phone support allowing those with most accurate records to be called via a voip number which would be routed through a web interface (thus allowing logging of times and handling of availability).

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  28. Pointers to all things Open by miruku · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Make a site that is a great resource to all things Open. Not just software or hardware, but open culture, architecture, design, access, etc. Be educational yet very handy so as to better inform and enthuse users as to what communities and resources are out there and how they can participate, either globally or locally. Be a hub site to help join the dots and frame how fantastic the idea of Open is.

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  29. What To Do With Open.org by meustrus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Before you read what I would do, I want to state that openness, to me, does not just mean open source. Openness is a moral value. Openness in its best form is absolute honesty, with your users and your administrators, with your friends and family. Openness in its worst form is Wikileaks (which I don't think is a bad thing), or in another word, controversial. When software is open, it is open to change, it is open to criticism, it is open to becoming better than it is, and it is open to others' differences. When a person is open, that person has the same qualities.

    The open source community is intelligent and idealistic. It is also fragmented and childish. A central domain like Open.org is the perfect place to bring people together in such a way as to establish openness as a strong moral value with a strong cultural backing. If I were to do something with Open.org, and I were a large organization that could pull this off, here's what I would do:

    1. Start with an open source website framework, like Rails, or a powerful CMS, like Drupal. The idea is to get something that's stable and can do anything and expand easily, so no Wordpress etc. Be careful that the software isn't going to cause bickering later on; it should perform so excellently that nobody can reasonably take issue with it.
    2. Make a gorgeous Web 3.0 - looking website template to be the face of the openness movement.
    3. Start out as a Digg/StackOverflow style content rating system. Rate lots of stuff, like news related to openness or open source software packages.
    4. Let users build up their credit. Users could have very visible blogs that can be rated and pushed to the front page.
    5. Build the community over time. Extend tendrils across the internet, with links everywhere a la Facebook.
    6. Create sub-communities of the larger community, like small villages that come together to form a province. Large communities are impersonal, and often showcase the worst of the internet, while smaller communities can be genuine fun to be a part of.
    7. Collaborate on a group culture, a la Wikipedia rules (early Wikipedia, not the elitist stuff I'm to understand they do lately)
    8. Extend this culture into the world. Get people to be open in their daily lives, and to show others what openness means. Show others why it's important to be open.

    I just hope that this comment isn't lost under 200 other comments on Slashdot. I am a web developer and I would be willing to help make this a reality.

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  30. Which is it? by naich · · Score: 2

    So was it purchased at a public auction or for an undisclosed amount? Unless you have some weird auctions in Oregon it would be difficult not to disclose the amount.