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How Cyborg Tech Could Link the Minds of the World

An anonymous reader writes "Science writer Michael Chorost has written a book that suggests that mankind may one day be able to link individual minds to share thoughts, feelings and perceptions by genetically modifying individuals brains and implanting computers based on neural networks in the body. Here he talks about the implications for human relationships, our sense of self and phenomenon like telempathy and dream brainstorming that this so-called World Wide Mind would make possible."

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  1. Oh Crap! by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great, now Facebook will be modifying my brain's privacy settings with little or no notice.

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    1. Re:Oh Crap! by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      I don't care. I still want a gigabit ethernet port on the back of my skull.

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    2. Re:Oh Crap! by decipher_saint · · Score: 1

      All I'm saying is...

      Goatse... IN YOUR BRAIN

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    3. Re:Oh Crap! by Local+ID10T · · Score: 1

      Once you see it, you can't unsee it...

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    4. Re:Oh Crap! by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Oh Crap! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Not if you don't have a facebook account, genius.

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    6. Re:Oh Crap! by Lundse · · Score: 1

      Sadly, this is more insightful than funny.

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  2. On the one hand by NEDHead · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had a thought, but I am not sure it is mine

    1. Re:On the one hand by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, if one links your mind to another, we're only hours away from there no longer being anything that could be called "I". Link 2 neural networks together, even with but a few nerves, and they become one single network, single mind. Re-separation will cripple both parts. Literally. Once there is no longer any for the 2 individual networks to remember how to walk, they won't do it anymore. Detach the networks and one body is in for a fast and thorough encounter with the ground.

    2. Re:On the one hand by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYwZO7rxQeI

      Do you really want to be linked with the guy (yes, this is one person, minus the music and some art help) who made this?

    3. Re:On the one hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." -Oscar Wilde, De Profundis, 1905

      Maybe this technology will accelerate what already exists.

    4. Re:On the one hand by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      I fear the RIAA will go crazy if each movie only sells 1 ticket

    5. Re:On the one hand by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      No.

      Even with direct eye feed, people's eyes can't focus in one spot if they are actually enjoying a movie. It's going to jump around, and to an external viewer will be annoying and disorientating.

      Now, if you get their memory say 10 minutes after the film, it's going to be whatever arouses them that sticks in their memory. And I mean that in the classical definition and the dirty definition. Also whatever that person thinks/understands of the plot of the movie.

      It may be fun the first few times to see another POV, but for actually watching a movie it would be at best a cliffnotes version.

    6. Re:On the one hand by c0lo · · Score: 1

      I fear the RIAA will go crazy if each movie only sells 1 ticket

      Good... they drove us crazy already, so it will be only fair.

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    7. Re:On the one hand by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Not true. You can very nearly divide a human brain in two by cutting the corpus callosum, and it still works. Sort of. Function is greatly impaired, but it's not fatal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-brain

    8. Re:On the one hand by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      If you record the eye movements too, you can compensate. But the resolution would suck outside of the fovea.

    9. Re:On the one hand by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 1

      That's not the same. Both hemispheres are still linked up to the same body in your split-brain case. If you were to sever all connections (not just the interlink, but the central nervous system connection to that hemisphere too), that person would not be able to walk at all, even though his nerves (well, most of them) are really linked up to both hemispheres, so there is still a path to each muscle, and so he might be able to -very long term- make a recovery. But even minimal re-routing in the brain involves massive function losses.

      So once you link 2 brains directly (with a signal delay that is not much greater than, say 1/10th of a second), splitting them will be like a callosotomy, only a lot worse.

      There are lots of experiments that merely involve effects of unidirectional links (ie : only input to the brain from the exterior). Once you get used to that input, losing it *will* impair function. Even if it's just a rhythmic pulse that conveys no useful information whatsoever (try this for fun : go into an office building and find a nice office with no windows, lit by CFL light (which has a strong 50hz pulse in it). Stay inside the room for 8 hours, then try some stairs in sunlight. Warning : you will stumble, or fall, so please pick a stair in a somewhat intelligent fashion. Some people fall down merely when they see the sun (because sunlight easily drowns out the 50Hz pulse of the building lighting, making it undetectable for your brain, and your brain has learned to transform the 50Hz pulse into neural commands to make your body walk. So once you walk like this, removing the 50Hz pulse causes you to fall down)).

      If one links up a resource to a brain that allows you to use 100 billion additional neurons, odds are severing that connection will create a huge loss of function, maybe huge enough to kill you (callosotomies can also lead to death, and they're tiny little ants compared to the elephant herd being proposed here).

  3. Box my Brain by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 1

    I don't want to die, so box my brain and let me live on the net. I'll even let you use all the wonderful subconscious processing power that is usually dealing with my autonomous functions.

    HEX

    1. Re:Box my Brain by olsmeister · · Score: 2

      We might have to sandbox you instead...

    2. Re:Box my Brain by trollertron3000 · · Score: 1

      I'll buy your brain image for $500! I want to be the first kid on my block with a confirmed brain map.

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    3. Re:Box my Brain by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      We would have a copy of part of you but you would still be dead.

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    4. Re:Box my Brain by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 1

      You misunderstand: I mean take my brain, still alive, and put it in a container capable of keeping it alive and connecting it to the 'net. Eventually I'd expect to be able to rent a cyborg body for those times when I need a physical presence in the world.

      As some commentators have mentioned Ghost in the Shell, I will point to that as a reference work.

      HEX

  4. As soon as this is invented by mrnobo1024 · · Score: 3

    we'll have an executive order giving the government the authority to wiretap your brain and read your thoughts at any time. Without needing a warrant. They'll say it's justified by the threat of terrorism, as usual.

    1. Re:As soon as this is invented by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      Just reading off the sense data would be terrifying enough.

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    2. Re:As soon as this is invented by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      We'll have an executive order giving the government the authority to wiretap your brain and read your thoughts at any time. Without needing a warrant.

      ...Well we are always saying the government should fear its people. I can't think of a quicker way to make that happen....

    3. Re:As soon as this is invented by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      don't worry, it will take a loooooooooooooooooooong time.

      this is just a normal example of some idiot making up fantasy tech and then trying to be a visionary about how it will affect the world.
      he's just invented telepathy mind merging and used gene modifying and non-invented chips to justify it's possibility. he could just as well have used magic pixie dust for it.

      silent "telepathic" communications I could see happening pretty fast through trickery(an observer would think that they can hear what each other is thinking, but it would be more just like replacing the keyboard with some nerve controlled thing, possibly your vocal chord nerves), but that's _totally_ different thing than sharing consciousness(which, still being pretty much undefined, is pretty hard to move around).

      and anyhow, didn't he see st:ng and the borg?

      and WHO CARES ABOUT REAL THOUGHTS? the same system could be used for simulating _anything_ about _anything_, even fake stimulations of being high on coke. so he's kind of invented simstims too! so what's the end result from this? I'll avoid buying his book, it's the kind of shit peddled usually on oprah.

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    4. Re:As soon as this is invented by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I would like to make a prediction, too! In a hundred years, computers will commonly be either implanted or so compact as to be effectively hidden (Think projectors in glasses with an EEG or subvocal input). This isn't going to lead to much in the way of telepathic revolutions, but it will result in the arrival of continuous intensive multitasking - people who are checking facebook, playing Farmville 2111 and looking at porn constantly even at work or during conversation. Their apparent inattentiveness in reality may earn them an insulting name like 'network zombie.'

    5. Re:As soon as this is invented by lwsimon · · Score: 1

      On a serious note, much like every other technology of value that comes to mind, this will be funded and distributed first by the porn industry. I mean, come on - imagine being able to experience sex with your favorite star.

      Hell, imagine experiencing sex *as* your favorite star.

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  5. It's been done. by lwsimon · · Score: 2

    I read this book in high school - it was called "The Light of Other Days" back then.

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    1. Re:It's been done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, that was about a device that allowed you to look into the past. I have a copy sitting on my shelf.

    2. Re:It's been done. by timeOday · · Score: 2
      Assuming you went to highschool more than 5-10 years ago, the main difference is we're now much of the way there already.

      True, the coupling is through monitors and optic nerves, instead of some other slightly more direct route. But how much does that really change things?

      Right now, you can sit at your desk, monitor slashdot (or foxnews, whatever), and define your self image and get an emotional rise 20 times per day about issues which (to you) are nothing more than electromagnetic disturbances. You can empathize with loved ones (or rail against politicians) over events that occurred half a world away 5 minutes ago, via twitter, email, or other means.

      I don't think we fully appreciate how much of our thoughts are already dictated by the "hive mind" - by events we wouldn't even *know about* by our direct senses alone. The 9/11 terrorist attacks, for example (NYC residents excepted).

    3. Re:It's been done. by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      Yes, but that's just empathy. It's not the same as actually transferring the experience and thoughts from one person to another.

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    4. Re:It's been done. by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      There is a rather large difference between writing a story about something being done and something actually being done.

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    5. Re:It's been done. by timeOday · · Score: 1
      That's what empathy is. The very same neurons are activated as if you were experiencing it yourself.

      Of course, not to the degree that you lose self-awareness. But to that degree, you're not even "one" with your own self of two minutes ago, since you normally distinguish memories from present tense. (Whereas we are not nearly as reliable in differentiating our own memories from things we've been told about that could plausibly have happened to us).

      To the extent that sci-fi authors are anticipating a borg-like experience of persistently losing self-awareness, I agree with all the other posts here it's a pretty useless idea, and for the most part not possible. Hooking up to ten brains won't give you ten times the perceptive power, simply because you don't have the cognitive capacity to handle it. It would be more like the experience you get right now listening to 10 different discussions at once - not informative.

    6. Re:It's been done. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I think 1984 was off in one detail though. The oppressors of the looming future will be largely corporate, not governmental. The government will be involved, but even it may well end up merely doing the bidding of corporate rulers, passing and enforcing laws written by lobbyists.

    7. Re:It's been done. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The military-industrial concept is already an unholy amalgamation of government and private companies.

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    8. Re:It's been done. by lwsimon · · Score: 1

      So call me when they do it?

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    9. Re:It's been done. by phrank · · Score: 1

      Andreas Eschbachs "Black Out" is based on a similar idea: Individuals try to connect their brains to the internet and soon find out, that they can link their brains directly without the need to use obscure protocols.

    10. Re:It's been done. by RDW · · Score: 1

      When I read it, the book was Michael Swanwick's excellent 'Vacuum Flowers':

      http://tenser.typepad.com/tenser_said_the_tensor/2005/02/earthless.html

      http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/nonfiction/vacuum.htm

      "What you have to understand is the extreme speed with which the technology blossomed," Bors said. "When Earth first became conscious, it used all its resources to spread the technology as efficiently as possible. The first transceiver was implanted in March, let's say, and all Earth was integrated by Christmas. The first clear notion anybody off-planet had of what had actually happened was when the warcraft were launched."

      This was written in 1987, 6 years before Vinge's essay on the Singularity, which references it. And here, before anyone had heard of the Cylon Hybrids or even the Borg, is Swanwick's sample of a 'Comprise' brain at work:

      "Rotate grating six raise two and rotate again reroute quote the Comprise agree in principle but with reservations unquote raise the vial of eagle's blood reroute using Allen wrench adjust the potentiometer to the red mark reroute ship to Sanfrisco marked green code green reroute injecting kerosene between vascular stations seventeen and twelve reroute bedding excavation-"

    11. Re:It's been done. by lwsimon · · Score: 1

      I'd read Oath of Fealty, but the communication mechanism didn't stick with me, nearly as much as the culture of the city-state, and the resulting backlash caused by the media against a wholly unprepared element of society.

      It's sitting on my bookshelf at home, I should read it again. Come to think of it, I don't think I've picked up a book in a year or so - too busy absorbing information at a much faster rate over the Internet.

      My God, what would my childhood have been like if I had had 'Net access when I was younger? Moreso, will broad literacy be the "well-read" of the future, due to the immense bandwidth of knowledge available to the nerds of today?

      I'm 27, and I feel old now :(

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  6. Cut to the chase! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    What are the implications of this technology when applied to porn?

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    1. Re:Cut to the chase! by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      Virtual reality casual sex with no chances of catching an STD.

      Of course, you might get ANOTHER kind of virus ...

      "Attention! Your cerebral cortex is infected with a virus! Upgrade to the premium version of Brainsecure immediately for the low price of 1,999 credits!"

    2. Re:Cut to the chase! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      What are the implications of this technology when applied to porn?

      The human race will die out in a couple of generations as people become sick of physical sex after being bombarded constantly with images of sex with hideous strangers?

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  7. Stand Alone Complex? by jimmerz28 · · Score: 1

    Soon we'll be having a real world Individual Eleven

    1. Re:Stand Alone Complex? by Truekaiser · · Score: 1

      A lot of things in real life are copies without original's. from works of art to so called terrorists..

  8. Wow, you mean a scifi writer... by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2

    You mean a scifi writer wrote a book about some scifi concepts? Amazing!

    1. Re:Wow, you mean a scifi writer... by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      Except that their mind sharing worked basically via magic. No detectable emissions, jamming, blocking, or interception possible. Of course, in universe... well, let's just say that if you combine in equal parts elements of sci-fi, historical fiction, and zombie apocalypse pretty much anything becomes explainable in universe.

    2. Re:Wow, you mean a scifi writer... by Rectal+Prolapse · · Score: 1

      Heh also sounds like the gaia field introduced in the Dreaming Void series - and I think the gaia field is even better than in the Reality Dysfunction. :)

    3. Re:Wow, you mean a scifi writer... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Exactly how it worked was never explained, but it was introduced through genetic manipulation and was entirely biological in nature. That was the reason for the split: One part of humanity embraced advanced genetic manipulation and artificial life, while the other part rejected it and focused on more traditional technology. The Edenists got living superstructure colonies and biological spacecraft, and were in general more advanced in all things space, but the Adamists had superior cybernetics by far. Edenists couldn't learn by downloading a book into their minds in a few seconds, as Adamists did. The Edenist biological link, essentially a form of telepathy, might very well have worked through radio communcations. The books never said it did, and never said it didn't.

    4. Re:Wow, you mean a scifi writer... by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      Actually the Kiint could listen in, IIRC. It's only mentioned somewhere in the first book I think.

  9. BrainPal by brs165 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like how a BrainPal from John Scalzi book Old Man's War universe as used by the Ghost Brigades.

  10. Re:we are by mikael_j · · Score: 2

    Yes, and I'm actually looking forward to it, at least in a way. Hopefully it will help people understand each other and cooperate on a level previously not seen.

    Of course, there are obvious possible downsides, but let's just stay positive here...

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  11. hawt Na'vi luvin by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    "hey, that's not the same pony-tale you were just riding that flying lizard with, is it?!!!"

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  12. Been there, done that in SF. by Animats · · Score: 1

    A huge number of science fiction and fantasy stories have explored this subject. It's not exactly a new idea.

    If we discover enough information about brains work to hook into them at that level, we'll be able to build brains. Probably ones that clock a lot faster and definitely have more storage than biological ones.

  13. Glorious spam, wonderful spam by return+42 · · Score: 1

    Never mind Facebook, never mind warrantless wiretapping. The first and worst exploit will be SPAM.

  14. Obvious problem by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

    We are the cyborgs. Prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

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  15. PA foresaw this day ... by xleeko · · Score: 1
  16. Do Not Want by Grapplebeam · · Score: 1

    And I can't imagine why anyone would want this. Convergence is a terrifying concept, moreso than the general Christian idea of effectively being lobotomized once you reach heaven.

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    1. Re:Do Not Want by QuantumLeaper · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the new age of knowledge, Luddite...
      Christianity will do what it has always done, it will adapt and change with the times, you think your religion is the same one as it was 2000 years ago?

    2. Re:Do Not Want by tehpuppet · · Score: 1

      It's an alien concept for us apes, but there could be a bunch of species-level benefits to the loss of individualism. No more violent or dishonest crime, huge efficiencies in scientific research, decentralised planetary government... we might even stand a chance of getting off Earth before we render it uninhabitable.

      I suspect it could be too large an adaption for humanity to make though. I'd bet on something along the lines of Alastair Reynolds' war between the 'conjoined' and the regular humans, wherein the regular humans realise the conjoiners have vastly superior and ever-improving technology, so try to stamp them out before it's too late.

    3. Re:Do Not Want by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      No more violent or dishonest crime, huge efficiencies in scientific research, decentralised planetary government.

      LOL.

      Back in the real world, the groups which have come closest to eliminating invididualism have generally been the most violent on the planet, and generally scientifically and technologically backward.

    4. Re:Do Not Want by gknoy · · Score: 1

      If we stopped being individuals, would we still be us? Would they be human? Their cultural values sound like they might be totally alien.

    5. Re:Do Not Want by icebike · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. I believe the downfall of humans lies with this one single trait......

      We are the only swarm, of individuals. No other swarm has members acting solely on their own interests

      You can't have it both ways.

      1) Swarms don't act on self interest, or even know what their self interest actually is at any instant.
      2) Individuals cant act as a swarm and remain individuals.

      You are attempting to have your cake and choke on it too.

      That people some times act in concert, and sometimes act in their own self interest, lends no credibility to your doom-sayer outlook. People are capable of doing both at the same time, act in concert AND in their own self interest. In fact, this is the norm. The net result is civilization. Civilization is probably best defined as the alignment of the self interest of individuals with the welfare of the whole. The methods of alignment in this case is not the pheromone trails of ants, but rather the reasoned path to well being, via shared defense, food production, rearing of the young, etc.

      You take the two most prized distinctions of human beings, those features that allowed a weak, slow, furless, fangless creature to dominate the earth, namely intelligence, and self awareness, and some how twist that into the destruction of the species.

      Unbelievable.

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    6. Re:Do Not Want by tehpuppet · · Score: 1

      No group of humans has ever had anything like what we are talking about here. We've seen various political and religious movements implode because they're in some way fundamentally contrary to human nature, but a hive mind would mean changing human nature itself. Ants and bees get shit done without corruption, choking bureaucracy, uninformed dissent...

    7. Re:Do Not Want by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      Hah, no, you're right, it isn't.

      Back then it was about one man trying to do the best for his people.

      These days it's about forcing others into what you think is right, regardless of what they think about that.

      A major difference, indeed.

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  17. That's Ghost in the Shell. by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 1

    That's Ghost in the Shell. In the world of Ghost in the Shell, most people have a cybernetic implant in the back of the neck that allows them to communicate and browse the Internet.

    Of course I fully expect Christians to lose their shit over this.

    1. Re:That's Ghost in the Shell. by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      Actually, true mind sharing in GITS is probably only happening during "Ghost Hacking", which is presumably why so few people are able to do it. Think the scene with Motoko and the Laughing Man in the medical clinic in SAC. What's more used is "External Memory", which together with replaceable cyborg bodies can make people lose their identity (but not their selves, their ghosts/souls), which is illustrated by the fact that Motoko who is shown to use remote-control bodies and presumably has a huge external memory/net-data-as-memory always wears that watch on her real body as a reminder.

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    2. Re:That's Ghost in the Shell. by hitmark · · Score: 1

      My impression, given SAC and SAC2 was that there was multiple layers. Each layer was covered by "firewalls", and only the innermost allowed full access to all memories. Usually one only went for the outermost where one could exchange active thought (unless the person engaged "autistic mode" and disconnected from the net fully), lower levels would give access to sensory channels (seeing and hearing what the other person was experiencing, likely playing havoc with copyright laws in the process. tho given the first episode of SAC it seems there was some encoded barcodes to counteract that to some extent) and then control over motor functions (walking, talking, operating hardware of various kinds).

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    3. Re:That's Ghost in the Shell. by BenJaminus · · Score: 1

      Already been to the toilet thanks ;)

      I'd love to have the instant recall being cyberised would bring. I think the whole world wide mind idea is less realistic though as people in general like to have their own individuality... hence I guess that issue being discussed in GITS

  18. I thought what I'd do..... by hinchles · · Score: 1

    was pretend i was one of those deaf-mutes

  19. Great... antivirus for the brain... by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

    C'mon, we've all seen the damage that it can do (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_of_Consciousness_%28The_Outer_Limits%29 ) - do we really want to rely on someone who can't use this to shut down the network before a botnet or virus attack kills us all?

    1. Re:Great... antivirus for the brain... by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      Or, a DDOS. DROMEDAR GAYNIGGER BICYCLE BEAVER TRIPLETS! PRAISE BOB!
      People with ADHD would be considered assault weapons, at least until someone invented a filter. Which, as it would turn out, *does* fit into 30-40 bytes. But maybe we'll find out how to transfer memory or thoughts/sensations before figuring out how to automatically process it? That would be a real problem, and would probably limit the technology to only receiving input from trusted sources. Or maybe the processing would require you to tote around a full cyberdeck/commlink, like in Shadowrun.

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    2. Re:Great... antivirus for the brain... by hitmark · · Score: 1

      Hell, consider something like a meme/advertisement "bomb". I do wonder if one illegal digital drug would be "god" based.

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  20. Too late man.. by Weezul · · Score: 1

    ..it's already there.

    I'm doubtful any "world wide mind" will arise anytime soon, but we absolutely could begin experiment with parallelizing rats today, i.e. raise two rats with a high bandwidth link, after one rat learns the maze, the other knows it. And we'd eventually developed massively paralleled humans, literally Beowulf. ;)

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  21. Recordings! by Amyntas · · Score: 1

    I've always wanted the ability to record my dreams. There is some pretty freaky stuff in there, but there's also some stuff I'd like to keep, and review. ;)
    Perhaps.. some day..

    On the same subject, at the speed this stuff happens in our little minds, we'd probably need some pretty fast storage devices, or a large array of them to keep up.

    As for the sharing of thoughts, it would be nice, but no doubt we'd be bombarded with advertising right off the bat. Better be a good way to turn it off or keep things private.

  22. Re:Oh Crap! Forbidden Planet replaces 1984 model by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

    SciFic Movie [1954] Forbidden Planet where the highly advanced species murderously seeks the final solution of extinction.

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  23. We are the Borg by Zappy · · Score: 1

    Resistance is futile you will be assimilated

  24. Re:we are by khallow · · Score: 1

    but let's just stay positive here...

    Why? Our experience with technology is that it gets used for both good and bad. For example, we have stories all the time about governments that wish to control the flow of information. Controlling minds directly is even more effective. And if someone creates a common crackable interface for minds, a simple virus might be sufficient to co-opt most of humanity.

  25. Obligatory Matrix reference by si3n4 · · Score: 1

    or the obligatory Star Trek Next Generation reference(s) - someone got a book out of this ?

  26. Re:Meh I'll pass by khallow · · Score: 1

    Plugging into some hive mind so I can share my thoughts with 7 billion fucking idiots? No thank you. I'll take the mortal route and hopefully check out with the average 75 years behind me. If I live to 100 I'm jumping off a bridge. Shit just roll me into the pool if I go limp. If I go demented then just tell me there's ice cream on the train tracks. Do whatever is needed to rid the world of my weakness.

    How about sharing your thoughts with a badass 100k ton fusion tank? Who's weak now?

  27. Another way to ruin the world or spy on us. by elucido · · Score: 1

    What do we expect? Now our bosses will be able to read our minds.

    1. Re:Another way to ruin the world or spy on us. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      Not just read. Write!

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    2. Re:Another way to ruin the world or spy on us. by dakameleon · · Score: 1

      Let's not even mention what they'd do with execute permission.

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      Man who leaps off cliff jumps to conclusion.
    3. Re:Another way to ruin the world or spy on us. by c0lo · · Score: 1

      What do we expect? Now our bosses will be able to read our minds.

      And you would be able to read theirs.

      --
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    4. Re:Another way to ruin the world or spy on us. by mywhitewolf · · Score: 1

      you'd only be given user rights to your brain, a boss is admin and has access to all aspects. I'm lucky cause my boss is sexy..

    5. Re:Another way to ruin the world or spy on us. by c0lo · · Score: 1

      you'd only be given user rights to your brain, a boss is admin and has access to all aspects.
      I'm lucky cause my boss is sexy..

      Circumstances offer a new perspective to "penetration testing", isn't it?

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      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
    6. Re:Another way to ruin the world or spy on us. by Zenaku · · Score: 1

      I'd love to have direct write access to my own brain -- I'd be able to modify a few lines of code and recompile to change habits or behaviors without all that pesky willpower involved.

      --
      If fate makes you a motorcycle, you become a motorcycle.
  28. Resistance is NOT futile by istartedi · · Score: 1

    IMHO, those who can resist will ultimately triumph.

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    1. Re:Resistance is NOT futile by intellitech · · Score: 1

      We are Borg. You will be assimilated.

      --
      vos nescitis quicquam, nec cogitatis quia expedit nobis ut unus moriatur homo pro populo et non tota gens pereat.
    2. Re:Resistance is NOT futile by IrquiM · · Score: 1

      Why not implement hosts.deny and hosts.allow?

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      This is blinging
  29. Re:I think he read Peter F. Hamilton.. by bhcompy · · Score: 1

    If not that, he read Altered Carbon

  30. Teilhard de Chardin has him beat by about 90 years by EnsilZah · · Score: 4, Interesting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere

    For Teilhard, the noosphere emerges through and is constituted by the interaction of human minds. The noosphere has grown in step with the organization of the human mass in relation to itself as it populates the earth. As mankind organizes itself in more complex social networks, the higher the noosphere will grow in awareness. This concept is an extension of Teilhard's Law of Complexity/Consciousness, the law describing the nature of evolution in the universe. Teilhard argued the noosphere is growing towards an even greater integration and unification, culminating in the Omega Point, which he saw as the goal of history. The goal of history, then, is an apex of thought/consciousness.

  31. Shared happiness by ddrueding80 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What would happen if you made everyone feel as happy as the global average? What affect would that have on global policy and philanthropy if acting in the common good was in fact also acting selfishly?

    1. Re:Shared happiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you feel everyone's pain, and they do the same, you'd deal with the problems instead of shifting the blame.

      -Rig

    2. Re:Shared happiness by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      you'd be the borg.

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    3. Re:Shared happiness by krnpimpsta · · Score: 1

      I like your idea, but here's my cynical take:
      What if individuals could feel the benefits of other's happiness without doing anything to contribute on their own? (I.e., sitting around all day, while enjoying the happiness earned by other's who are living happy and successful lives?)

      What if we could feel the joy of being a billionaire, winning the lottery, earning a promotion, having sex with hot girls, and etc., while not having to do any of it? Would anyone really strive to do it?

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  32. Violent thoughts by Caerdwyn · · Score: 3, Informative

    So with the ability to directly convey hostility, anger, fear, and an overwhelming desire for upskirt shots, the concept of "thought crime" will become reality. "Mental assault" will be criminalized since your WOULD be able to cause distress in others with just a thought. People who were truly upset with a government would be easily detected and "dealt with".

    Personally, I doubt that the tech would work as described. But if it did... consider what a surveillance-based government would do with it.

    By amendment to the Constitution, any use of the aforesaid "telempathy" should be limited to online pornography.

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    Everybody gets what the majority deserves.
    1. Re:Violent thoughts by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      And why shouldn't it be? If I'd link with someone and transfer thoughts or memories intended only to harm that person, that would be assault. It would at least presumably be very distressing to the receiving party, more so than a punch to the face probably.

      --
      Emotions! In your brain!
  33. I bid by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 2

    I bid 3 quatloos for your brain.

  34. Oh great by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    I can't wait to have my brain hooked up to the hive-mind equivalent of 4chan... Why on earth would anyone think that this is a good idea?

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    Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
  35. And you don't seem to understand... by Securityemo · · Score: 1

    A shame, you seemed an honest man
    And all the fears you hold so dear
    Will turn to whisper in your ear...

    And you know what they say might hurt you
    And you know that it means so much
    But you don't even feel a thing...

    --
    Emotions! In your brain!
  36. Extroversion-introversion by FridayBob · · Score: 1

    It sounds like the extroverts among us would have more fun with this than the introverted types, which includes me. The idea of constantly being hooked up to a hive-mind sounds exhausting. I suspect that if this concept ever becomes a reality and they wanted more nerds on board, then they'd have to include a switch so that individuals would have the choice to take themselves off-line every once in a while (or only join in when they felt like it).

    1. Re:Extroversion-introversion by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      Actually, introverts would probably be "stronger" than extroverts, for the reason that they have more experience with their own minds and would be better at thought-control and reading their own internal state/"being in themselves". Also, yay for "normal" people being exposed to the mind of someone with Autism or Asperger. Or, horrifyingly, psychopathy.

      --
      Emotions! In your brain!
    2. Re:Extroversion-introversion by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Not really. Extroverted people love interacting with external stimuli in which they can be judged by other minds. These people tend to have a much higher sense of self-esteem and can be quite vain when taken to the extreme. Introverted people are the exact opposite. So while a hive-mind would appeal to the extroverted; solitude, meditation, and deep introspective thinking are activities most enjoyed by the introverted.

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  37. Re:Oh Crap! Forbidden Planet replaces 1984 model by spun · · Score: 1

    When was the last time you watched that movie? The highly advanced species were victims of their own "Monsters from the Id." They created a machine that could literally make thoughts into reality, then they went to sleep and their dreams killed them all. They weren't murderously seeking anything. It's not so much a dystopian fable, as it is a direct copy of Shakespeare's "The Tempest."

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  38. Pie in the sky by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    Time recently had a cover story on Kurzweil and his prediction of a singularity by 2045. The only problem for all these pipe dreamers is that nobody has a clue about how the brain works. The knowledge needed to interface directly with electronics in a meaningful way is not going to arrive anytime before the end of this century. Crude prosthetics for disabled people, yes, but nothing that would be of value to a normal person (enhanced memory, computation, seamless mind/machine interfacing) will be around in anyone's lifetime.

    This is much like the hype in the lead up to completing the Human Genome Project. Grand predictions were made about what it would provide for us and then when it was done, everyone realized that it was a blueprint that nobody could understand in anything but the most rudimentary way.

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    I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
  39. Turn in your geek card... NOW. by sconeu · · Score: 1

    "We are the cyborgs"???????

    "We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

    --
    General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
  40. zardoz by bugi · · Score: 1

    Please watch the movie Zardoz before pursuing this further.

  41. The idea makes me nervous by Reteo+Varala · · Score: 1
    Perhaps I'm just paranoid, but there are three things the mind allows us to do, think, act, and stay alive (involuntary reflexes maintaining the body).

    Now, in terms of thinking, this could allow other people to intentionally, uncontrollably interrupt my thoughts without first having direct physical access to me. I don't know about you guys, but I rely heavily on continuous thought, and can't do squat with discrete thought (think long-term focus vs. multitasking). Having an interface that can interrupt my thought process by another would be a bad thing. It might not be so bad if the wire could be pulled, but if the work being done needs information pulled from remote locations, it can be a very risky proposition.

    Additionally, even now, people can operate with incorrect thoughts, but they are acquired through the normal inputs and outputs, and must pass through a reason filter in order to be integrated into the mind. The idea of there being a way to bypass that filter scares me to no end; imagine someone being able to plant a suggestion, telling you to do anything they want you to do. Maybe you'd still have the presence of mind to resist stuff you wouldn't normally do, but I've done enough technical work to know that not everybody has this presence of mind, especially when threats or enticements are used ("your computer is infected, download a security upgrade to fix," vs. "You have won $1,000,000, please provide your bank information to have it transferred to your account"). Believe me, it's not just the savvy that would want such an implant.

    Next, action. Our minds determine what actions we will take, even if most of the steps are handled by nerve-based autonomous processes known as reflex (you don't have to consciously think about how to walk, you just walk). If I were to be rendered unconcious, so that an attacker could make use of my body, there's no telling how law would apply; I was unconscious at the time, I performed the action, but someone else is responsible. And that's not taking into account...

    The health aspects of such a thing is probably the most frightening thing about having such a device in the mind. Every part of the human body has some basic activity that can be harmful if it stopped, even for a short time. A healthy nervous system allows the proper timing signals to be received by the involuntary muscles in the body including heart, lungs, and digestive tract. Without these, neither nutrients nor oxygen would make it to the cellular tissue, especially the muscles themselves. The body would break down, eventually dying as a result.

    We do have diseases, but right now, they are limited to physical infections which are localized, and usually contained and expelled by a healthy immune system (autoimmune diseases notwithstanding). Having a direct access to the brain, however, opens up the risk for a much more dangerous form of infection; imagine some really antisocial people coming up with a virus program that can alter the signals going to the heart muscles, such as, say stopping the heart, or maybe increasing the rate to even more dangerous levels. Imagine something that can force the adrenal glands to keep producing. Or perhaps stop the pancreas, inducing a state of diabetes in anyone. Or perhaps disable dopamine production, leading to a number of frightening diseases.

    The point is this, if you set your brain up to be affected by computers, then it'll be just as well-protected as any computer is against attack. And unlike a computer, this cannot easily be reformatted, nor can an alternative OS be installed... at least, not without you no longer being you.

    1. Re:The idea makes me nervous by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      No worries. This sort of neural interface will never exist outside of a tech fetishist's wet dream. I wouldn't spend a lot of time worrying about it.

      I do hope some people, try, though, because that will be really, really funny.

    2. Re:The idea makes me nervous by ChucktheMan · · Score: 1

      This gives a whole new level of meaning to the "Blue Screen of Death"

  42. You know what I'm thinking by LittleBigScript · · Score: 1

    Meow, meow, meow, meow.

    1. Re:You know what I'm thinking by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      PUSSY---cat.

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      Life is not for the lazy.
  43. Re:we are by Kelbear · · Score: 1

    As cynical as I am, a hive mind would bring the understanding needed for previously unreachable levels of sympathy and social order.

    Stepping on people becomes harder when you feel the consequences of your actions.

    I don't know what it's like to live in poverty. I have some vague sense that it sucks, but I don't understand the hardship in a meaningful way (i.e, in a way that I'd modify my own lifestyle to attempt to relieve the poverty).

    In business, there is no room for trust. Everyone is against you, unless your goals happen to temporarily align. But if I could link with someone, and see that he really does plan on keeping his word, I don't have to draw up a huge contract written in legalese.

    A hive mind could grease the gears of society in interesting ways.

  44. Re:we are by khallow · · Score: 1

    Yes, and I'm actually looking forward to it, at least in a way. Hopefully it will help people understand each other and cooperate on a level previously not seen.

    While there is some value (a group mind might be able to control a complex machine, say like a factory, far better than a single person or a group of normal humans), for me the real value is a deep connection to my tools. It might be nice for a lark to interface with other minds for a little while, but in the end, I like my privacy.

    For example, I find that a paper pad is among my best tools for thinking, even though I now use a laptop quite frequently. A mental tool that allows me to directly put my thoughts to a computing environment would be far more powerful than my current tools of choice.

  45. Childhood's End by Knee+Socks · · Score: 1

    I couldn't help but think of the Arthur C Clark novel when reading this. It's not the first time the concept of a collective mind has been explored, nor will it be the last. But comparing it to Childhood's End brings up other pertinent questions as well - what effects would a technology like this have on our evolution as a species? What effects might it have on us even within our lifespan? We simply cannot know. We're still completely clueless when it comes to the human brain and, as Animats and others have already pointed out, by the time we have the technology to implant chips in our brain that allow us to receive a stream of other's thoughts or emotions, filter that stream out at any time, detect when emotions we're feeling are not our own and identify whose they are, we'll have done plenty of other things with the technology first.

    Furthermore, it seems the general reaction from the /. crowd overwhelming focuses on the potential dangers and downfalls of such technology. Then again, when has anyone on /. ever argued for anything that would make them be (gasp) social?

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  46. Re:Oh Crap! Forbidden Planet replaces 1984 model by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

    Yes, their murderous "Monsters from the Id." provided extinction as a final solution for all their greatness was humanly flawed. Let's not make this a tempest in a teapot.... Like good archeologist/anthropologist we both see the same results, but not the same fictitious path.

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  47. Re:On the one hand - a telepath's perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had a thought, but I am not sure it is mine

    Loss of self is exactly the problem. Most people probably won't believe me when I say this, but I am a telepath - a reader, not a sender. I read other people's thoughts, usually without meaning to do so. Unlike in the movies, those thoughts don't "sound" any different in my head than my own thoughts. Sometimes they "feel" different, sometimes not. But unless a thought is something completely out of normal range for me ("I'm going to be late picking up the kids," etc.), I often don't have positive confirmation that it is someone else's thought until they verbalize it or act it out.

    While the idea of being a telepath may sound cool - and to be honest it has at times in my life proven quite a useful talent - in practice it's also a little disturbing. I'm never really sure if my thoughts are my own, or someone else's leaking into my brain. And even when I am sure they are someone else's, sometimes it's crap you don't really want to hear. Like trying to listen to your own music in your car, but hearing someone else's music in the car next to you.

    I have coping mechanisms, though. I can't hear everyone's thoughts, automatically. It's like I have to share "resonance" with someone for me to pick it up, be on frequency, etc. If I'm around someone a lot, I tend to tune in to them. With strangers, it's hit or miss. But the more people I'm around in close proximity, the greater the chances of coincidentally being in tune with someone. Big crowds like in busy malls or airports give me bad headaches (imagine listening to 15-20 radios, at low volume, but all tuned to different stations). So, to avoid the noise, I avoid crowds as much as possible.

    To me, the thought of being permanently plugged into a World Wide Mind is comparable to living my entire life in a crowded airport. The idea makes me nauseous. Hearing the crap inside people's heads once in a while is inconvenient, but hearing it from everyone all the time? And where would my thoughts and emotions end, and others' begin?

    Remember also, that very few people know I can hear thoughts (only my wife and a couple of very close friends). My wife is used to it, and we're very open and honest with each other, but it sometimes makes my friends a little uncomfortable knowing that I *could* be listening in. How about if you *knew* that *everyone* is listening in? Would you still think the same thoughts, or would you filter your own thoughts the way (some) people self-censor what they post on their Facebook page. And if you would filter your thoughts, would the hypothetical World Wide Mind be expanding our horizons - or limiting them?

  48. He's a fuuuuuuuturist! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Wow, but that's a lot of buzzword bullshit!

    I really have to get in on this futurist book scam.

    1. Re:He's a fuuuuuuuturist! by ChucktheMan · · Score: 1

      My favorite is "The Millennial Project Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps" by Marshall T. Savage. I pull mine out every once in a while to remind myself of the difference between real engineering and what passes for 'serious' writing by academia. This idea would fit right in.

  49. Wha? by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    What, no Cyberiad reference? Maybe it's folded into a reply or under my threshold...

  50. Re:we are by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    As cynical as I am, a hive mind would bring the understanding needed for previously unreachable levels of sympathy and social order.

    Ha ha ha ha ha! Dude, you are *not* cynical enough if you can say that.

    Stepping on people becomes harder when you feel the consequences of your actions.

    How do you know the sociopath (say, a politician) would learn to feel? Maybe processing algorithm of the sociopath would overwhelm *you*, and your conscience would suddenly seem like a quaint relic.

    Or even, how do you know that "the sociopath is wrong" isn't just some lie you have taught yourself, and seeing things from the sociopath's POV won't reveal the lie?

    Maybe your conscience is an optical illusion.

    I don't know what it's like to live in poverty. I have some vague sense that it sucks, but I don't understand the hardship in a meaningful way (i.e, in a way that I'd modify my own lifestyle to attempt to relieve the poverty).

    And yet many of those who *do* live in poverty *don't* modify their lifestyles to relive the poverty. I did five years of volunteer work back in my undergrad years, and saw people who had an overwhelming amount of information directly available to them on a daily basis that certain bad choices lead to endless misery, and yet they still made those bad choices over and over again. It's what triggered my long slide into hardcore misanthropy.

    But anyway, if this flight of fantasy ever saw the light of day, it would be the end of civilization.

    Or it would average us all out, and it would be the last invention.

  51. Re:we are by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Many people here don't realize how valuable our secret, inner selves are in terms of just maintaining sanity.

    I think it's why some people seem to go a bit nuts after they become famous. Imagine having no privacy whatsoever, even in your own mind.

    I can think of few better descriptions for Hell.

  52. What was he smoking? by joesteeve · · Score: 1

    No.. seriously... :P

  53. Who the hell would want.... by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 1

    ....my 3am Taco craving? Or the number of amusing insecurities that I harbour?

    Seriously, my idle thoughts are like a 16 year old girl's Twitter.

  54. Re:we are by jakartus · · Score: 1

    As cynical as I am, a hive mind would bring the understanding needed for previously unreachable levels of sympathy and social order.

    Sure, and when some don't want to join the hive mind, then what? Social order must prevail of course!

  55. Re:we are by Brad1138 · · Score: 1

    The HUGE problem I see is giving someone access to your thoughts. You can't help random thoughts popping up. Everyone has skeletons in their closet. If you see the phase, "sex with a 3 year old", even though you (hopefully) don't want to think about that, you can't help it, and that vision could randomly come up while sharing thoughts. Would anyone want to risk that?

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  56. Imagine by $0.02 · · Score: 1

    Beowulf cluster of human brains.

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    If enithin kan gow rong it whil. (Murfey)
  57. there was a EP of SG1 with some called the link th by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    There was a EP of SG1 with some called the link that was like this.
    http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Revisions

    and there was a The Outer Limits EP with some that was like the SG1 link.called

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_of_Consciousness_(The_Outer_Limits)

  58. But wait by mywhitewolf · · Score: 1

    Don't we already have a wonderfully diverse way of interfacing with each others brains?

    and thanks to how wonderfully and unique each brain is, its impossible to get significantly more direct access to it..

    For example. when i think "flower" i'm thinking something compleatly different in every concieveable way than whne you think flower. different groups of neurons are firing compaired to you.. the very way i think about "flower" is compleatly unique to myself. the best they could do is interface with the input routs your ears / eyes use to transmit information into your brain, so they could plant a chip, sync it up to your auditory system, and then when they triggered it you would hear a noise as if you were wearing earphones.

    this may however allow for intergration into computer systems, so instead of looking at a monitor you could enter a dream state where images would be directly fed to your visual & auditory cortex. this is less about communicating with other minds and more about "entering the matrix". pretty cool none the less.

  59. Re:Gaia ? by dmbasso · · Score: 1

    Yep, that's the first thing I thought too. I browsed the comments just to see if anybody else realised that. :) [this made me want to read the series again... too bad I don't have infinite time... but I would be satisfied with Daneel's lifespan ;) ]

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  60. Re:we are by lessthan · · Score: 1

    The computer has an on/off switch, why wouldn't a brain implant?

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  61. Re:we are by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    I meant more the part of us we *never* let anyone see. I'm a firm believer that's an essential part of us- the center that keeps us, well, centered. Yeah, I'm out in psychological esoterica at this point, but, well, it's fun here. :-)

  62. Re:we are by mikael_j · · Score: 1

    But anyway, if this flight of fantasy ever saw the light of day, it would be the end of civilization. Or it would average us all out, and it would be the last invention.

    How about some strong emergence? The whole is greater than the sum of its parts and all that. That is, imagine what would happen if a few hundred people linked together, almost immediately utilized their combined abilities to work out what needed to be accomplished and then set about performing those tasks without any needs for verbal or written explanations, instructions or agreements. John just knows what piece he should weld to what other piece, Dave knows exactly how the control software should work and so on. Yes, it would eerily borg-like but also amazing and quite possibly a huge leap forward for mankind. Not that there aren't possible major problems...

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  63. Re:we are by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    There is also the problem of consistancy. The hive mind awakens, and... is it a democrat? is it a republican? It must be a democrat, that's what the minds say... but no, the other half says democrats are traitorous scum, only republicans can lead the country, even though republicans are militaristic and oppressive religious nuts... AGH! Too much conflict! Just from a two-party political system. Then the mind turns it's throughts to religion - and suddenly has a million different beliefs, all contradictory, and all of which some of it's components believe to be absolutly true beyond debate... and a lot of those components belive anyone who disagrees is a heretic against God and the worst creature imaginable.
    Five minutes after activation, the Collective destroys itsself in a fit of self-loathing.

  64. ... and Asimov by at least 15 years by xded · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(Foundation_universe)#Galaxia

    However Gaia extends the concept to the whole planet, linking in the collective consciousness also inanimate matter. Due to it's size, Gaia has no written records and memories of individuals are stored forever in the global consciousness. Gaia is created to be the precursor of Galaxia, which will include also stars, unhabitated planets and any galactic object, enhancing the mentalic effects that are usually limited by speed of light.

  65. Re:On the one hand - a telepath's perspective by Maritz · · Score: 1

    There's an easy million for you to make, and world-reknown. If your ability is real please demonstrate it. I for one would be amazed and excited. JREF million dollar challenge

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  66. I can just see it now... by warGod3 · · Score: 1

    The US Government will require everyone to be "Hooked up" as part of a medical plan and then they'll require that the president have access to a button to "shut down the 'net" for the safety of all and to prevent terrorist activities...

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  67. Re:Oh Crap! Forbidden Planet replaces 1984 model by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Yes, their murderous "Monsters from the Id." provided extinction as a final solution for all their greatness was humanly flawed. Let's not make this a tempest in a teapot.... Like good archeologist/anthropologist we both see the same results, but not the same fictitious path.

    I see what you did there.

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    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  68. Re:On the one hand - a telepath's perspective by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Most people probably won't believe me when I say this, but I am a telepath

    Most people here would believe you if you had any evidence whatsoever other than a few anecdotes.

    Also, shouldn't you be helping out psychologists/neurosurgeons in explaining how the brain works rather than moaning about how annoying it is to you?

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    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  69. Re:we are by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    The hive mind wouldn't just be Americans, so you wouldn't have the artificial democrat/republican split, and hopefully you wouldn't have any fucking religion at all.

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  70. best reason this is interesting: collaboration by ruggard · · Score: 1

    Ever since I first saw Borg depicted in star trek, I've dreamed of some kind of mind-to-mind interaction being possible. Contrary to what many people fear, there is no need to be permanently jacked into such a system, although, like facebook, you might find yourself compelled to use it ceaselesly regardless of actual benefits - because we are social creatures of habit. Still, the ABILITY to commune mind-to-mind in no way prescribes the NECESSITY to be plugged in and enslaved. Advantages are countless - although I personally feel like communication with any degree of fidelity would have to be restricted to symbols - language, math, diagrams, what have you. More subjective things like complex combinations of feelings or stream of mental impressions are likely to have a unique code to represent them in every brain. For codes that we share, like math, natural language, etc., it would be great to be able to communicate these faster and more conveniently than we do today. For verbal communication, people being in different locations can't be on the phone all the time. Instant messaging is great but not for people who don't like typing or with imperfect vision. I can't wait to welcome our new robot overlords who are me!

  71. Re:we are by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Many people here don't realize how valuable our secret, inner selves are in terms of just maintaining sanity.

    I think it's why some people seem to go a bit nuts after they become famous. Imagine having no privacy whatsoever, even in your own mind.

    I can think of few better descriptions for Hell.

    The reason that a lot of people who become famous go nuts is exactly because they had no inner life to speak of beforehand, so there's nothing much to resist the external pressure. The desire to be famous for fame's sake is a sure sign of intellectual, spiritual and psychological emptiness.

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  72. Borg by RabidChipmunk · · Score: 1

    You will be Assimilated.

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  73. Bible Verse by aquabats · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of the Bible verse "My name is Legion: for we are many."- The Gospel of Luke, Luke 8:30

  74. Not so far off by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    I can get a whole computer chip to be a computer, almost....the size of a small capsule...so what if we used that tech that takes the power generated by our bodies to power this pc....and then let it have wifi/4g integrated, and let it be the same as an iphone...so you can dial out...to another such iphone chip installed inside someone's cranium or base of head....then we would all appear tobe telepathic, but really not, cuz the machine is doing the talking....the only thing yet to be invented is the thought to keyboard, ooops, no, that one is done also, you need a special helmet, but it works...so i guess we are almost there then.....cant wait to be able to call the president directly....!

  75. Re:On the one hand - a telepath's perspective by Zenaku · · Score: 1

    You may have schizophrenia, and you definitely have a bad case of confirmation bias, but you're not a telepath.

    Your account describes that you occasionally know what someone is thinking before they verbalize it, more often with people you know well than with strangers, and more often when there are a lot of people around than with just a few. The first part of that is called "knowing someone" and the second is just statistics. Your dislike of crowds is simply a dislike of crowds.

    I'm as much a telepath as you are, to the extent that you described, which is to say not at all. The experiences you are describing are commonplace.

    About ten years ago, my lover and best friend died. For months afterward, I could "hear" her in my head with perfect clarity, adding her own remarks and observations to whatever I was doing or thinking about. I did not conclude that I was in communion with her ghost; I just knew her well enough that I knew what she would have said.

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  76. Re:On the one hand - a telepath's perspective by shiftless · · Score: 1

    You may have schizophrenia, and you definitely have a bad case of confirmation bias, but you're not a telepath.

    Says who? I'm a skeptic, and I don't "believe" in telepathy, but I do know that we do NOT know enough about how the brain works to definitively say one way or the other that this guy is not telepathic. People like you who make grand, sweeping, dismissive statements ("oh you're just imagining it all") for any condition out of the norm are standing in the way of progress, not helping.

  77. As envisaged by Isaac Asimov by AC-x · · Score: 1

    From "The last question"

    Man considered with himself, for in a way, Man, mentally, was one. He consisted of a trillion, trillion, trillion ageless bodies, each in its place, each resting quiet and incorruptible, each cared for by perfect automatons, equally incorruptible, while the minds of all the bodies freely melted one into the other, indistinguishable.

  78. I for one... by srobert · · Score: 1

    ...welcome our Rat Overlords

  79. Re:On the one hand - a telepath's perspective by Zenaku · · Score: 1

    Says who?

    Me, obviously. I'm the one who wrote it, so it represents my own analysis. I don't preface every statement I make with "In my opinion," because that should be apparent. Whose else would it be?

    I do know that we do NOT know enough about how the brain works to definitively say one way or the other that this guy is not telepathic.

    We've much to learn about how the brain works, but we already know a great deal about how it does NOT work.

    People like you who make grand, sweeping, dismissive statements ("oh you're just imagining it all") for any condition out of the norm are standing in the way of progress, not helping.

    Right, because anything that can't be definitively disproved is valid and mustn't be dismissed?

    I disagree, and will as a matter of policy continue to dismiss extraordinary claims for which there is no compelling evidence, until such time as compelling evidence is presented. People like you, who lend credence to any notion that can't be disproved are the ones who stand in the way of progress.

    You're free to interpret reality in whatever manner you choose, of course; I will do the same.

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    If fate makes you a motorcycle, you become a motorcycle.
  80. Watching anime Again? by mattwrock · · Score: 1

    I guess the author has been watching "Ghost In The Shell - Standalone Complex" on Saturday nights on Adult Swim...

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  81. The brain is somewhat plastic in adding new senses by peter303 · · Score: 1

    We all know about "telepresence" where a remote robot arm or eyes start to feel like your own after long time use. This has been carried further by a prosthestics researcher with two good arms and connects 3rd to his torso for development. He said after some time it feels almost as real as his flesh arms.

    I think could get used to more limbs or eyes or looking those those of another person.

  82. Re:we are by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Hmm. Interesting hypothesis.