Microsoft, Google Sue Troll Who Sued 397 Companies

FlorianMueller writes "Microsoft and Google have teamed up against a company that holds a geotagging patent and sued 397 companies last year in Texas, most of them in mid December. ... Now the two tech giants have entered the fray together and want the patent declared invalid and seek an injunction to prevent further lawsuits over it. Since the patent holder has already filed for an initial public offering, this intervention may come at just the right time to prevent the worst. Google and Microsoft say that there was prior art when the patent on an 'Internet organizer for accessing geographically and topically based information' was applied for in 1996."

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Temperatures plummet in Hades

[ArhcAngel]

Microsoft and Google working together for good?

Re:Temperatures plummet in Hades

[xmas2003]

Yea, certainly unusual to see these the Big "G" and M working together ...

Makes me wonder if something about the patent might actually worry 'em?!?

Re:Temperatures plummet in Hades

[Ancantus]

Pigs, frightened by the near freezing temperatures, take to the skys.

Re:Temperatures plummet in Hades

[eln]

Don't get too excited. Microsoft and Google both have hundreds of dubious patents to their names, so it's not like they're doing it to strike a blow in favor of sane patent reform. They're probably just doing it because once this patent trolling firm goes public, they'll have access to enough capital to start suing the big dogs (like Microsoft and Google) under these same patents instead of just going after the little fish who can't afford to defend themselves properly.

I'm sure they'd rather spend less now to smother the company than spend a lot more later defending themselves against it.

Re:Temperatures plummet in Hades

[gman003]

In unrelated news, that girl from high school has finally agreed to go out with me.

Re:Temperatures plummet in Hades

[Red Flayer]

It would be filed under "Microgoosoft".

The corporate slogan is:

"Our passion, our evil".

Of course prior art

[Mikkeles]

It's called an atlas + gazetteer

Two things ...

[gstoddart]

Two things ...

We need the USPTO to stop giving out obvious patents that aren't really anything more than "with a computer".

We need to stop letting everybody start legal proceedings in Texas just because it's a favorable venue. Way too many of these stories by patent trolls seem to be out of that jurisdiction.

Re:Two things ...

[turbclnt]

We need to stop letting everybody start legal proceedings in Texas just because it's a favorable venue. Way too many of these stories by patent trolls seem to be out of that jurisdiction.

are you advocating...messing with Texas?!

Re:Two things ...

[SquirrelDeth]

I say let Mexico have Texas. Half the Mexicans are there anyway.

Re:Two things ...

[bluefoxlucid]

We need the USPTO to stop giving out obvious patents that aren't really anything more than "with a computer".

That depends.

If you have a methodological process for, say, reading your location off a GPS, checking it against a map, and tagging it manually to a piece of data... then with a computer, this is nothing but "a computer program to do what I was doing anyway."

If however you are sighting up things by hand and manually tagging them, the integration of a GPS with the system may be quite novel.

Patents are about novelty. Unfortunately, all novelty is incremental. Small incremental steps are obvious, though, if they come in the common sphere or they package up what's common. Say you take a picture, check your GPS, put the location into the picture... putting a GPS in the camera to tag the picture doesn't suddenly make geotagging photographs a new invention, because you're automating what people did anyway. But if nobody thought to geotag pictures before, or they never thought to use a GPS, or they always tagged with the LOCATION ON A MAP and you integrate a system that tags the GPS coordinates and looks it up on a map as needed, you've done something nobody's thought of yet.

Novelty is subtle. There is a lot of "This is just X done with Y" and "I could have done that..." coming from people who really, really like this idea that nobody seems to have done before. There are also cases of "everyone does this with the exact same fucking tools; you just told a computer to make it user-transparent" going on, which need to be shot down.

Bread machines didn't pioneer the making of bread, or any individual step; but they did provide the novelty of a machine that mixes, rises, and bakes the bread in one sweep, with tools that all existed before. Note that nobody put a paddle in the base of a baking pan, stuck it in the oven, cranked it several times, let it rise, cranked it again, and then heated it up; the actual process was completely different, but using the same tools (a pan, bread ingredients, an agitator, and a heating element similar to those found in an electric oven). This was not "a traditional bread machine, but with a motor instead of a hand crank."

The same goes for a computer: is this a traditional manual process (take picture, enter GPS information into picture) done with two computers, but we put the components together and did it manually? Or is this a traditional manual process done via other means which we recognized was possible to automate by plugging a bunch of other tools together and using a new methodology that correlates to but doesn't strictly automate the original steps?

Tolkien

[SimonTS]

You can't use the word 'Troll' or the Tolkien estate will be after you all.

1996

[MrEricSir]

The patent was applied for in 1996? 15 years in internet time is like 5 decades in other fields.

Back then, you were likely running Windows 95 and had to launch Real Player 1.0 to listen to audio online. IE and Netscape were both products you had to pay for (IE came with MS Plus!)

Should a patent from that era really still be valid?

Re:1996

[_0xd0ad]

A patent is as good for as long as a patent is legally good. 20 years. It's not an arbitrary number.

I'm pretty sure 20 years was an entirely arbitrary number.

Re:Thats nothing

[Anonymous Coward]

WARNING above link is to goatse.ru. (thank you, wget)

Nice to have deep pockets

[return 42]

Gee, it's nice to be a multi-billion dollar corporation. You can defend yourself against this crap. A small start-up? A free software project? Not so easy.

Shocking, I know...

[_0xd0ad]

Microsoft and Google working together for their own self-interest, which incidentally is beneficial to us too.

FTFY.

Re:Shocking, I know...

[izomiac]

Ya know, an interest shared by Microsoft, Google, and the vast majority of people is generally known as the common good...

Prior art is not the problem

[NoSig]

The problem is not that a patent was given when there was prior art. Are we supposed to think this would all be fine and dandy if only this abusive patent troll company had filed for this patent a little earlier so that there wouldn't be prior art? The patent system was supposed to be this deal: you tell the world how you did this amazing thing, and the world allows you to control your idea for a limited time. The patent system has instead become a competition to come up with an idea before anyone else does, so that those other people can't use their own idea to compete with you.

The premise that gives the patent system value is that the world just wouldn't have the idea available if the patent holder hadn't come along. In such a case perhaps a patent is called for. If we give patents for 20 years, the standard for giving a patent should be that no one else is likely to come up with that idea for the next 20 years assuming no patent system to motivate them. Then a patent makes sense. I doubt even one patent in a thousand could live up to that standard. The 999 other patents in a thousand are a drain on humanity.

Re:I'd love to be a fly on the wall...

[dkleinsc]

A transcript of Ballmer's side of the conversation (with apologies to Peter Sellers):

"Hello?... Uh... Hello S- uh hello Sergey? Listen uh uh I can't hear too well. Do you suppose you could turn the music down just a little?... Oh-ho, that's much better... yeah... huh... yes... Fine, I can hear you now, Sergey... Clear and plain and coming through fine... I'm coming through fine, too, eh?... Good, then... well, then, as you say, we're both coming through fine... Good... Well, it's good that you're fine and... and I'm fine... I agree with you, it's great to be fine... a-ha-ha-ha-ha... Now then, Sergey, you know how we've always talked about the possibility of something going wrong with the Patents... The *Patents*, Sergey... The *software* patents!... Well now, what happened is... ahm... one of those patent trolls, he had a sort of... well, he went a little funny in the head... you know... just a little... funny. And, ah... he went and did a silly thing... Well, I'll tell you what he did. He ordered his lawyers... to sue your company... Ah... Well, let me finish, Sergey... Let me finish, Sergey... Well listen, how do you think I feel about it?... Can you *imagine* how I feel about it, Sergey?... Why do you think I'm calling you? Just to say hello?... *Of course* I like to speak to you!... *Of course* I like to say hello!... Not now, but anytime, Sergey. I'm just calling up to tell you something terrible has happened... It's a *friendly* call. Of course it's a friendly call... Listen, if it wasn't friendly... you probably wouldn't have even got it..."