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'Spam King' Released From Prison, Now Lives In Seattle

dmmiller2k writes "Apparently, after 'nearly four years in prison, the man dubbed the 'Spam King' by federal prosecutors, is allowed back online.' I wonder if there's some variation of Megan's Law requiring him to register with the local police department and notify all his neighbors with computers?" I sure hope any potential employers google "Robert Soloway" and find "Spam king" high on the results list.

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  1. And notify all his neighbors with computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    via email no doubt

    1. Re:And notify all his neighbors with computers by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      via email no doubt

      I'd prefer he find honest work .. the alternative is he returns to his past.

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  2. Nope, no information law by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2

    "I wonder if there's some variation of Megan's Law requiring him to register with the local police department and notify all his neighbors with computers?"

    No there isn't, and after he has completed his parole he can apply for a name change in case his current name and reputation makes it hard to find employment.

    1. Re:Nope, no information law by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You didn't read the summary did you?

      "I sure hope any potential employers google "Robert Soloway" and find "Spam king" high on the results list."

      Thats what a name change is for, and while I'm aware of putting other names in on applications, in many states theres a sunset on how far back they can look for name changes and for convictions.

      Washington's law is 7 or 10 years I think.

      I actually had a fight over a job in Washington 2 years ago. The form said "within last 7 years" and I'd had a conviction for a misdemeanor 16 years ago, so I didn't put anything in. I was offered the job, then the background check hit that and I had the offer pulled back. I was about to start fighting it, then I moved to Alaska for more money.

    2. Re:Nope, no information law by spun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It seems as though there are quite a few people here who do not think the punishment decided on by our legal system is enough, and wish this "spam king" would have to keep paying, and paying, and paying for his crimes. Now, I do not hold absolute trust in our current legal system, but the alternative is mob rule and vigilante justice, which is a thing no sane citizen would wish for.

      Personally, I think the punishment is sort of light. But that does not entitle me to take action against the man. The law of the land does not boil down to "What I, personally, think is fair." If I felt strongly enough that this punishment was too light, I would write to my representatives to advocate for tougher cyber-crime laws. I would not go to this criminal's new home town with a gun, as some are (jokingly? who knows in today's political climate.) advocating.

      Nor do I wish that this man never finds employment again. That would mean that my tax dollars would go to support him. I'd rather he finds some useful work, due to my own self-interest, and my feeling that, once you have paid your dues to society, you deserve a second chance.

      This is coming from my civilized side. My vindictive side thinks the man should die in a fire, but I am trying REALLY HARD not to give in to my vindictive side. If I did that, we'd have a lot of dead motorists here in New Mexico (land of the worst drivers in the world) and I would be in jail myself.

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    3. Re:Nope, no information law by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2

      I think the guy should be banned from computer ownership and work for at least twice the time Mitnick was originally banned.

      And stick him with only access to a land line too.

      I don't condone killing him or a database for computer offenders by any means.

    4. Re:Nope, no information law by socsoc · · Score: 2

      Bare hands? We have the right to bear arms, I'm wanting Grizzly.

    5. Re:Nope, no information law by N_as_in_Mnemonic · · Score: 2

      I can take action against him. I can act like a dick when I meet him. I can bad mouth him to my friends and family. I can refuse to hire him. There are plenty of legal things I can do to let this person know exactly what I think of them. And I will do that if I have the opportunity. He may have paid his debt to society, but he was still a spammer. Just like I would not necessarily trust a murderer who served 30 years, I wouldn't trust this guy. If he wants folks to trust him, he will have to earn it. 4 years in prison is not earning respect. He has to do that just to get back to the starting point. Now that he is there, he still have to work against his years of abuse. I, for one, won't be in any hurry to help him do that. He is a spammer, regardless of his time in jail. I will call him an asshole to his face and kick him out of my house. I don't want spammers thinking that they can do their thing, spend a few years incarcerated, and then everything will be fine. I want them to think that nobody will ever like them or welcome them and that they've ruined their life by choosing to spam. Then they can serve as a warning to others.

    6. Re:Nope, no information law by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Consider how often you have been shot and consider how often you have been spammed and ponder the problem again.

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    7. Re:Nope, no information law by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      The VERY LEAST I expect is that, if people commit a crime for profit, that they have to pay back ALL that profit, either to the people they profited from or if that's impossible to some organization that fights against such criminal profiting (or if everything else makes no or little sense, the government, they need money now anyway, why not squeeze it from scumbags instead of us?), AND THEN pay a fine on top of that (either monetary or prison time).

      What we see today more and more (and also in this case) is people going to prison for a few years and come out to enjoy their illegally reaped millions.

      More often we see people not even going to prison but paying some pittance compared to the money they robbed, though...

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    8. Re:Nope, no information law by Xiph1980 · · Score: 2

      Not so smart. Take away their surplus money and luxury items, but don't saddle them up with an overdue debt. Okay, so you're just out of jail and all you ever knew about making money was through crime. Now Uncle Sam has just placed a huge debt on you, which you have to pay off. How are you going to do that? Sure, you can say, "Well, sucks to be him. Should've thought of that before he committed the crime" but that doesn't mitigate the problem of a criminal who, even if he wants to stay on the righteous track, only knows crime as a way of life. Setting him up with a debt is a sure-fire way to herd him back to criminality.

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  3. How about a second chance? by ecotax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not that I have much sympathy for the man, but he did serve his sentence, sending spam isn't a sex offense, and denying someone internet access is a pretty harsh punishment these days. How about giving him a second chance?

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    1. Re:How about a second chance? by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ya know, I really, really want to agree with you. Everything you say makes absolute sense.

      And yet, spamming is such a massively and prolifically antisocial thing to do that it's hard to imagine anybody ever recovering from it. He couldn't possibly have been unaware of the fact that, had he accidentally taken a shiv to the ribs while in jail, there would have been widespread cheering. Perhaps guilt-ridden cheering, but cheering nonetheless. Clearly, he didn't care then, and I really don't see how four years in prison would make him care now.

      At the very least, it seems as if there should be some sort of expedited process for prosecution should he return to spamming. Not to deny him due process, but just to place him on a high priority list for investigating. Call it "spammer profiling".

    2. Re:How about a second chance? by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 2

      He is having it right now.

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    3. Re:How about a second chance? by dadioflex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not that I have much sympathy for the man, but he did serve his sentence, sending spam isn't a sex offense, and denying someone internet access is a pretty harsh punishment these days. How about giving him a second chance?

      I agree. To err is human, to forgive divine. Besides, if he's denied a legitimate job, what's he gonna do?

    4. Re:How about a second chance? by jbolden · · Score: 2

      4 years in prison, like most suffering, can do a lot to change a person's attitude. Its much harder to see evils you profit from than those you suffer from.

    5. Re:How about a second chance? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      And yet, spamming is such a massively and prolifically antisocial thing to do that it's hard to imagine anybody ever recovering from it. He couldn't possibly have been unaware of the fact that, had he accidentally taken a shiv to the ribs while in jail, there would have been widespread cheering...
      At the very least, it seems as if there should be some sort of expedited process for prosecution should he return to spamming.

      Wow. Just... wow. If you're not joking then I really hope you one day gain a sense of perspective.

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    6. Re:How about a second chance? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      sending spam isn't a sex offense

      Hell, these days sex offenses aren't sex offenses half the time, they're stupid teenagers that some prosecutor wants to make an example of.

    7. Re:How about a second chance? by jbolden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Changing the risk / reward judgement is the start of conscience. That's how it develops in children.

  4. Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > I sure hope any potential employers google "Robert Soloway" and find "Spam king" high on the results list.

    Why? What will this guy do when he can't find a job and needs money? This stupid sentiment that criminals should suffer forever is actually creating crime...

    1. Re:Idiots by SargentDU · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have hit the nail on the head. Those who have been found guilty of sex crimes are particularly marred for life. I know a guy that was 18 with a 17 yo girlfriend, her Dad did not like the boy, and got him labeled a sex offender. He cannot get rid of the stigma and he is now in his late 40's.

    2. Re:Idiots by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, nerds have strange priorities. The guy sent a shitload of annoying mails. Sure, you can make up some meaningless aggregate number for the damage he did, but if you cost each person in the world $.01 you've suddenly done (OH NOES!!!) ~$50M in damages. It's a bullshit metric.

      His sentence was appropriate, he served it, and he's out. He didn't murder a child or rape an old man or something like that. Grow up, nerds. Spam isn't the worst thing in the world.

  5. Who's being punished here? by bobdotorg · · Score: 5, Funny

    FTFA:

    As part of his plea deal, probation officers will monitor every e-mail Soloway sends and every webpage he visits for the next three years.

    Oh how I would torture them...

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  6. No, we do not need another Megan's Law by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In general, the libertarian-leaning Slashdot population is quick to criticize the Megan's laws. But now that it is about something important... SPAM! ... well, those principles all go out the window, huh?

    Those laws:
    - Do not work.
    - Are likely unconstitutional.
    - If the likelihood of recidivism is that high, the person should not be released anyway.

    1. Re:No, we do not need another Megan's Law by fishexe · · Score: 2

      In general, the libertarian-leaning Slashdot population is quick to criticize the Megan's laws. But now that it is about something important... SPAM! ... well, those principles all go out the window, huh?

      Perhaps the Slashdotters criticizing Megan's laws and the Slashdotters advocating them for spammers are different people with different viewpoints. Our community is neither monolithic nor uniform, we don't all speak with one voice.

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  7. Re:His Job Hunt by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    I wonder if he DOES apply for a job, if he'll even THINK of using an automated resume distribution system.

    Highly doubtful ... from TFA:

    "If I send out spam e-mails, that's a violation of my probation. End of story," he said. "I'm being very careful. If I send out an e-mail, I'm not even going probably to CC it. I'll send a unique e-mail to each person."

    I suspect being in prison was enough for him to decide he doesn't want to go back and run afoul of his parole.

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  8. Washington by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2

    First Microsoft, now the Spam King. It is clear: the world's IT evil is gathering together in Washington. War is coming.

  9. Re:Spammers Vs. Virus Writers by spun · · Score: 2

    What's worse?

    Reading Slashdot for years, virus writers seem to be better thought of.

    It takes some small measure of hacking skill to write a good virus. All it takes to be a spam king is to have the morals of a rabid weasel.

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  10. Spam King? by rhizome · · Score: 2

    Do we forget about Sanford Wallace so soon?

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  11. Re:why spam? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

    What's the use in spamming at all anymore?

    Because it's profitable. Cite:

    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/profitability-of-spam-finally-measured/2159

    From TFA:

    ...this provides a yearly revenue rate of the Storm botnet for the sale of pharmaceuticals of around $3.5 million dollars.

  12. Re:Laws should be made to address actions by jbolden · · Score: 3, Informative

    With junk mail:

    -- you pay for the paper
    -- you pay for the printing
    -- you pay for the fulfillment
    -- you pay for the postage

    You as the sender have a strong incentive to not be wasteful. That's not at all the same as spam.

  13. Googling Him by jIyajbe · · Score: 3, Funny

    I sure hope any potential employers google "Robert Soloway" and find "Spam king" high on the results list.

    The only way that could happen is if a bunch of people all put the words "Robert Soloway" and "Spam king" together on a major website that Google crawls.

    Doesn't seem likely...

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  14. you stay classy, slashdot by digitalsushi · · Score: 3, Funny

    Cause someone sending out spams is equivalent to raping children.

    (Actually, most people on the Megan's Law list are folks who got caught peeing behind a bar -- er, exposed themselves to children who live in ally ways.)

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  15. My spammer story by Brainless · · Score: 2

    I'm not the author, but was involved in this bit. Spammer was sent to prison, escapes and killed himself and his family.

    http://wildernessvagabonds.com/zp/index.php?p=news&title=Daily-Writing-The-Spam-King-Tragedy

  16. Re:Spammers Vs. Virus Writers by mangu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Reading Slashdot for years, virus writers seem to be better thought of.

    Protecting oneself from viruses is easy and has few side effects.

    There's no protection against spam that doesn't also kill some of the utility of email. There was a time when one could put an email address everywhere and be contacted only by interesting people. I even had my email address published here in Slashdot.

    Spammers killed all that. They are much worse than virus writers.

  17. An ex Robert Soloway spotter of the world says. by sjwest · · Score: 2

    I was one of about four people who kept a log a Mr Soloway's activities. Before fbi went msm in regard to Robert.

    There is at least one web page dedicated to him and not just mentions, but domain names, ip's, court docs in pdf, etc I do hope he has reformed,his amazon book list (since deleted) would indicate no remorse or whatever you americans call it. I have those alleged wishlist books of his stored and there not Charles Dickens titles.

    Sweden (where he has dual nationality) also should also be concerned.

    Hopefully i hope he reformed. But im happy to monitor him should he come to my attention.

  18. We should end "permanent punishment" by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm a death penalty proponent and believe in harsh sentences for crimes like robbery, sexual assault and burglary, but I think the permanent punishment people experience well after they have been tried, convicted and served their time is a grave injustice and actually ends up producing more harm than it solves.

    I think that it should be illegal to ask if you have been convicted of a crime in a job application or a job interview. Only under very specific circumstances should it be possible to deny someone employment or housing based upon a past conviction -- if you are still on parole for a crime of violence or if you are applying for employment in a field tied to your conviction within 2 years of the end of your sentence (ie, you did time for embezzlement and you want to be an accountant).

    And even then they should be required to spell this out. Getting caught discriminating illegally should involve a fine payable to the discriminated employee equal to a minimum of 5 years salary PLUS their legal fees with a multiplier

    We're "convicting" people of crimes, letting them off with no sentences because our jails are full and then punishing them FOREVER because they once had a conviction. And then we act surprised when they turn to drug dealing, robbery, burglary or other criminal enterprises because they can't get a job.

  19. Re:Laws should be made to address actions by jbolden · · Score: 2

    Your costs associated with junk mail you receive, pale in comparison to costs for senders. That's the point. They have an incentive not to be wasteful.

    And of course it is about economic costs. All crimes are about net cost to society.

  20. Focus, people... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 2

    My vindictive side thinks the man should die in a fire, but I am trying REALLY HARD not to give in to my vindictive side.

    I find it disappointing that people here are joking about killing a guy who basically annoyed them with some e-mail. Yeah, spam is annoying, but really? Where were you people when wall street ruined the economy, and the government opened an illegal prison in Cuba?

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    1. Re:Focus, people... by mjwx · · Score: 2

      I find it disappointing that people here are joking about killing a guy who basically annoyed them with some e-mail. Yeah, spam is annoying, but really?

      As a sysadmin, it makes my life hell, I get yelled at and threatened by my boss because he's annoyed at Viagra spam.

      We have to spend thousands on email filtering software, even if the software is free, hundreds of man hours per year are still spent on maintaining it and that is never free. Spam has a real economic cost and a noticeable impact on the lives of many people. It's not just a little annoying, it's hell for the sysadmin's tasked with fighting it and it certainly isn't simply annoying for it's victims.

      So kindly sod off with that kind of thinking.

      Where were you people when wall street ruined the economy

      December 2003: "the US is going to have to pay a lot to maintain this war" (shortly after, GWB said to the banks, "we cant afford a recession during a war", in retrospect the US couldn't afford not to).
      July 2006 "I don't want to buy a house, the market is flooded, I'm only going to lose money" (referring to the Australian and US markets)
      September 2007 "The US banking sector is unsustainable"
      February 2009, "Why am I not surprised that I am only getting 24 Baht per AUD"

      Hindsight is wonderful, foresight is even better.

      and the government opened an illegal prison in Cuba?

      Protesting all along. Not that the US ever listened to people like me, the people going into these secret prisons were all "enemies of freedom" I was told. I was called "ungrateful" for suggesting that we don't actually know this, a "terrorist sympathiser" for suggesting that trials should be open and not conducted by the US military and a "traitor" for suggesting perhaps we (the entirety of the western world) shouldn't be invading other nations and spiriting away their people to secret prisons where they were tortured for information.

      So, you were saying.

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    2. Re:Focus, people... by SharpFang · · Score: 2

      I've lost some actual money due to spam. Some usenet newsgroups I frequented died due to spam. I lost two email addresses due to spam and admin inflexibility. Not to mention days of my life, when due to a filter failure I had to dig through some 10000 spam messages to get some 5 emails from an obscure account.

      I don't want to kill him. For all the annoyance and grief he caused me, let me, just as a means of revenge, to prick him with a pin, once.
      Then let every person he ever annoyed prick him with a pin, once.

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  21. Lots of people killed with spam by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    have you seen how much fat that stuff has? And don't get me started on cholesterol!

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