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Microsoft Patent Deems Comic Books Shameful

theodp writes "A newly-surfaced Microsoft patent application describes methods of secretly matching up individuals whose shared 'fringe interests' might be 'a source of shame or embarrassment' to them should they become known to society-at-large. No, not sexual preferences. A much bigger taboo. Comic books. 'For example,' explains Microsoft in its filing, 'an ambitious professional is not likely to divulge that he likes, say, comic books, even though quite true. Appreciably, certain affinities especially those relating to fringe interests, eccentricities, or topics about which there is a common misconception or very little mainstream familiarity or understanding are generally omitted rather than included in conventional descriptions. Typically, this is so because these affinities might be a source of shame or embarrassment or incur undue explanation.'"

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  1. People associate it wrongly by devxo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, are you sure would really want to tell right away to some girl you meet that you read comic books or watch anime? Things like can make people think about you wrongly. And for example, when I'm visiting Thailand I like the ladyboys there, but it's not something I'd say to anyone when I first meet them.

    1. Re:People associate it wrongly by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just because you don't mention something you like right off the bat doesn't make it shameful. I hardly ever talk of my love of whole grain pepper, but that doesn't make it a dirty secret. Comics are a mainstream interest now, with multi-million dollar movies in the spotlight. Comics are not an under-the-counter phenomenon.

    2. Re:People associate it wrongly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If someone judges me without first meeting me then I would rather not be associated with them.
      Sadly, too many people judge themselves by what others think of them.
      Don't be ashamed or embarrassed, grow some thick skin and enjoy life.
      You only live once!

    3. Re:People associate it wrongly by swordgeek · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I hardly ever talk of my love of whole grain pepper, but that doesn't make it a dirty secret. "

      Yeah sure, keep justifying your perversions to make yourself feel better. Sicko!

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    4. Re:People associate it wrongly by boristdog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Comics may be a mainstream interest now, but if one of the first things I find out about someone is that they are really into comic books, my first reaction is still: "Hopeless Nerd!"

      Then again, if the first thing I find out about them is that they are really into football, I think "Brainless Sports-a-holic!" Even though football is WAY more mainstream than comic books.

      It's human nature.

    5. Re:People associate it wrongly by Ephemeriis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, are you sure would really want to tell right away to some girl you meet that you read comic books or watch anime? Things like can make people think about you wrongly. And for example, when I'm visiting Thailand I like the ladyboys there, but it's not something I'd say to anyone when I first meet them.

      Depends on context.

      I'm not going to walk into a job interview and start telling them how much I love Minecraft and Dwarf Fortress, but that doesn't make it a dirty secret.

      If I meet some random person on the street I'm not going to start talking about how much I love the ease of provisioning a new VM in our new cluster, but that doesn't make it a dirty secret.

      And if I met some girl that I was attracted to (as you seem to be suggesting, rather than just some random acquaintance who happens to be female), I most certainly would tell them that I read comic books and watch anime.

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    6. Re:People associate it wrongly by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Thus showing exactly why I tell people I like comic books: I don't need short sight knee jerk reactionary bozos like you in my life.

      IT's not human nature. It's social training and the inability to actually think.

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    7. Re:People associate it wrongly by HungryHobo · · Score: 2

      " Dwarf Fortress"

      *hits the panic button*
      "Security, we've got another one"

    8. Re:People associate it wrongly by Patch86 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does the panic button flood the chamber with magma?

    9. Re:People associate it wrongly by GooberToo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thus showing exactly why I tell people I like comic books: I don't need short sight knee jerk reactionary bozos like you in my life.

      So you're saying your personality can't otherwise compensate for what may be a cushioned negative reaction once someone gets to know you.

      IT's not human nature. It's social training and the inability to actually think.

      It is human nature. There is practically endless studies validating this point exactly. The old cliche, you only get one chance to make a first impression, has been endlessly validated. Your position on the matter is factually incorrect and should hopefully give you pause as to the origin of such incorrect "self discovery."

      Like it or not, within seconds of meeting someone for the first time, consciously and unconsciously you have read the book by its cover. Period. Now then, what you do with that summation will differ from person to person but nonetheless, it absolutely is human nature.

      You see someone with a asymmetrical facial feature, subtract points based on the degree of asymmetry. They don't have perfectly groomed hair? Subtract again. Wear glasses? Subtract again. Bald? Subtract. Teeth? Subtract again. Now the cultural norm will dictate the severity of subtraction (example, teeth in UK vs USA) but nonetheless, its programmed into the DNA of humanity. And as physical characteristics play a major role in this analysis, so does behavior. Someone with a reputation for state sanctioned executions is far less approachable than someone who is a well established lover.

      So honestly, until societal norms change, if in fact they ever do in this regard, its by far to your own advantage to not discuss things like comic books and D&D to people you just met. If in fact you develop a friendship, its far less likely that such disclosure later will have any impact on the relationship other than perhaps some friendly jabs.

    10. Re:People associate it wrongly by pugugly · · Score: 2

      Whole grain paper in a brown pepper bag?

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    11. Re:People associate it wrongly by geekoid · · Score: 2

      "So you're saying your personality can't otherwise compensate for what may be a cushioned negative reaction once someone gets to know you."

      What? I am saying if you are the type of person to react negatively about someone simply because they like comic books, then you are not worth my time.

      "There is practically endless studies validating this point exactly"
      no, there is not.

      "Your position on the matter is factually incorrect "
      No, it is factually correct.

      " within seconds of meeting someone for the first time"
      ah, I see. You don't actually know what I was referring to.

      I am referring to the judgement: "Hopeless Nerd!"
      Yeah, people make A judgement immediately*. That wasn't my point. The judgement they came to was my point.

      It's social training that the reaction is "Hopeless Nerd!". Anyone who thinks some how reads comic books is hopeless isn't worth my time.

      "You see someone with a asymmetrical facial feature, subtract points based on the degree of asymmetry. They don't have perfectly groomed hair? Subtract again. Wear glasses? Subtract again. Bald? Subtract. Teeth? Subtract again. "
      A) Speak for your self, I don't see anything I would 'subtract' point from i that list.
      B) My point it society dictates that you subtract points. If that wasn't the case, then ANYTHING outside the norm would be a 'subtraction'. And I don't see strippers with average boobs making tons of money next to strippers with abnormally large boobs. I don't see unusually 'hot' people being scorned for being different. I suspect if you went to a porn casting agency there isn't a sign that says "Only average women need apply" What is attractive has to do with society.

      "If in fact you develop a friendship, its far less likely that such disclosure later will have any impact on the relationship other than perhaps some friendly jabs."

      Why do you think I want to be friends with those people? I don't and that was pretty well stated in my post.

      My time of existence is very, very limited. There are far more people who will think 'cool' when they hear my interested then there is possible time to know them all.
      Based on those parameters, it makes no sense for me to be around people I can't admit who I am to until we become friends. If you are starting a friendship by hiding who you are, then why the hell even have the friendship?

      Stop excusing your prejudices.

      *Although it's a lot more complecated and not nearly as cut and dry as you seem to think.

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    12. Re:People associate it wrongly by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Their loss.

      Plenty of fish in the sea.

    13. Re:People associate it wrongly by Monkey · · Score: 2

      These stereotypes are perpetuated by atrocious shit like "Big Bang Theory". When my wife tells people that I work in IT they sometimes say "Oh he must like "Big Bang Theory"." My wife replies "No, he fucking hates that show." She's right, I do.

      Now I realize that some of you on here feel that "BBT" is a great show and you think "Hey, this show is about guys like me." Wrong. This show is successful because it makes fun OF guys like you. It's like making a show about negroes and having the characters obsess about eating fried chicken, malt liquor and maintaining their weave. Is that funny? No? Well its the same shit.

  2. And I deem... by Stormwatch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And I deem patents shameful.

  3. Sounds like a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The title of this article is pretty sensational, and hides the true idea behind the patent.

    The patent isn't saying comic books (and other fringe interests) are "shameful", it's saying that if you are putting yourself out there in some way, like a resume or a dating site, fringe interests aren't going to be the first things you list.

    For example I used to do a college radio show on Japanese noise rock, it's cool, but if I tell most people about right off the bat, I get a blank look.

    1. Re:Sounds like a Good Idea by greed · · Score: 2

      But...

      Isn't that exactly like the "wanna-f**k" sites and apps that tell you someone is interested in you only if you are interested in them?

      That is, if I say I'm interested in Person X, nothing happens. But when Person X also says they're interested in me, we both then get some indication that has happened--instant message, profile marker, whatever. It's really great for shy people. Though you still have the "I don't know what to say" issue.

      This one goes back to multi-user BBS days....

      Come to think of it, I might have seen something similar, like "don't list extreme fetish interests for users who have not filled out any extreme fetish interests". Hmmm. I wonder if those ex-sysops I know have backups of the BBS software....

    2. Re:Sounds like a Good Idea by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Of course the fringe things are going to be among the first that you list.

      People are always so fucking infatuated with themselves that they can't wait to tell you about all the things they're into that you've probably never heard of. The fact that it's fringe and you haven't heard of it convinces them that they're just that much cooler.

  4. Sounds like a good idea to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I used to have a big interest in the paranormal... I would never have listed it in a dating profile, but would have been interested in other people who were also into it. Now, not sure I like the label of "shameful"... but it was something I didn't want to just blurt out.

  5. Actually not a bad idea by pifactorial · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I get the humorous Microsoft-bashing potential of this, but... I think they're actually thinking along the right lines here. It's not news anymore that any sort of public profile on the internet can land you in trouble with an employer. Certain categories of online services (e.g. dating services) depend on a person being willing to divulge potentially embarrassing information about themselves. People will continue to want to take advantage of these services, but given the opportunity to avoid embarrassing yourself in front of potential employers / friends / etc., I think one would choose the option of having this sort of information kept secret.

    But haha, yes, comic books are taboo. Scott McCloud would have some choice words.

  6. So what's the story here? by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The patent doesn't seem particularly terrible on comparison with a lot of the ones we've seen. The example given is clearly chosen to be as inoffensive as possible whilst still being something that someone might plausibly want to keep to themselves.

    So, I guess the story is "Microsoft is evil, patents are also evil, here's something that's potentially mildly offensive to easily offended comic book fans so this proves they're evil"

  7. Steve Balmer by UdoKeir · · Score: 2

    By day he's mild-mannered executive Steve Balmer, but at night he dons his monkey suit and becomes CHAIR MAN! Promising to "f--ing bury that guy" (he's done it before), he guards the streets of Redmond from free software.

    1. Re:Steve Balmer by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Chairface will eat him for lunch.

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  8. I can imagine how this conversation went by Ghostworks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lawyer: "So why did we originally create this feature?"
    Engineer: "Porn. Mostly the kinky stuff. Tranvestites, golden showers, that sort of thing."
    Lawyer: "We can't use 'defense of transvestite porn' in a patent,"
    Engineer: "Why not? It's why we made it."
    Lawyer: "Yeah, but every patent is also a public document, which means it's a potential PR nightmare. Do you want to see 'Patent Protects Porn' on Slashdot?"
    Engineer: "Actually..."
    Lawyer: "Forget it. Just come up with something normal people would find both a harmless interest and somehow secretly shameful. Mainstream fringe."
    Engineer: "...."
    Lawyer: "Never mind, we'll think of something."

  9. Does anyone in America understand "metaphor" by whitroth · · Score: 2

    I can't imagine that they'd say in a patent application "people who are interested in alternate sexuality", or "people who were abused as children", or "people who belong to a religion other than Christian who live in the Bible Belt (aka the Christian terrorist homeland)"

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