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Prepare For Massive Wave of Earthquake Scams

wiredmikey sends this quote from Security Week: "Today's tragic events of the 8.9 magnitude earthquake and resulting tsunami, as sad as it is, is a dream for scammers and fraudsters around the world. Tragic events are always something scammers use to their advantage, helping them prey on and exploit innocent victims. Scams are already spreading across Facebook, which started in a matter of minutes after the news broke of the earthquake in Japan. As I write this, scammers are hard at work, registering new domains and cranking out templates for their fake donation sites. This will be followed with massive volumes of email spam, Tweets through Twitter, and Facebook posts, as scammers gear up to solicit donations from around the world." As coverage of the earthquake and resulting tsunami has proceeded, collections of videos and pictures are showing the extent of the devastation. The NY Times makes the excellent point that things could have been much worse if not for building codes and quake-resistant engineering. A state of emergency was declared at one of Japan's nuclear plants, after the earthquake caused cooling problems at one of the reactors. No radiation leakage has been reported, and the US Air Force has helped by delivering coolant by air.

158 comments

  1. Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The fact that people would take advantage of the disaster and misery at the cost of thousands of people just disgusts me. It happened with Katrina, it happened with Haiti, and I guess they're gearing up for this disaster. You fuckers, I hope you rot in hell.

    1. Re:Disgusting by Nursie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously.

      Scamming is nasty business at the best of times, but (imagining I were a scammer) I could see people in places like Nigeria justifying it to themselves as getting their share from the rich west.

      But this is just out and out profiting from human misery and death.

    2. Re:Disgusting by halfEvilTech · · Score: 1

      as these people are considered the below the lowest forms of scum on the earth, you can realistically color me not suprised by this.

      These people have folks just waiting around for bad stuff to happen all armed with their templates for and within momemnts of word of the events breaking out they have their domains registered and sites up ready to part you with your cash and leave you a nice thank you note in the form of malware and other viruses on your systems.

      They rely on the fact that in a time of distress peoples logic goes out the window and for the simple fact that you can't patch stupid.

    3. Re:Disgusting by 0racle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know what I find more disgusting, that these inevitable scams pop up or that I felt the need to send out a company wide email to remind people that the Red Cross and such doesn't send out grammatically incorrect bulk email requesting donations at donations@reddcroos.ru

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    4. Re:Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My desire to see people like this burn in hell is probably one of the few reasons I still want to believe some religious philosophies. Doesn't mean I do, but I really want to.

    5. Re:Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bet the Saudi Sheiks are f***ing delighted to take advantage of this dominating the news...

    6. Re:Disgusting by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Most of the major charities who'll be dealing with this are atheist (eg. Red Cross)

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    7. Re:Disgusting by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      just as a note
      http://american.redcross.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ntld_main&s_src=RSG000000000&s_subsrc=RCO_BigRedButton

      should be close enough of a link to be useable (this is the ARC site for those not in the US)

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    8. Re:Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just spammers and scammers that are cashing in. Would-be serious British newspaper, The Daily Mail has given voice to a quick-off-the-mark astrologer who balmes the whole thing on a "supermoon" (via Ben Goldacre)

      Anyone who persists in defending that dismal rag as a legitimate journal after this heartless lump of exploitation needs to seriously re-think their world view.

    9. Re:Disgusting by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      >> The fact that people would take advantage of the disaster and misery at the cost of thousands of people just disgusts me.

      This pretty much sums up the first 200,000 years of human history.

    10. Re:Disgusting by Tanktalus · · Score: 2

      Most of the major charities who deal with this are non-religious which is a world of difference away from atheist: we may disagree on theology, but we all agree that help is needed, and we want to be a part of it. And that has nothing to do with GP's point of wanting scum like this to burn in hell.

    11. Re:Disgusting by Relayman · · Score: 1

      Is there any guarantee that money donated to the American Red Cross will actually be spent on tsunami relief?

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    12. Re:Disgusting by kevinNCSU · · Score: 1

      There's a huge difference between an organization not holding a religious stance and being atheist.

    13. Re:Disgusting by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Hanging's too good for him. Burning's too good for him! They should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!

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    14. Re:Disgusting by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      You know...I'm not the type to cheat people...never have.

      But even I have to admit, when up early watching this this morning...one of the first thoughts to hit my head was what domains would you register to take advantage of this situations.

      I don't know why that crossed my brain..I mean, don't get me wrong I'm good for just about any legal activity that will make me a dollar, but not sure why this one hit me.

      I mean...what if you did put up a site to collect for those hit hard in Japan, collected in good faith....and took out a reasonable fee for your efforts? Anything wrong with that?

      I mean...this is pretty much the basis for many charities like the United Way.

      At what point does it turn bad? What's the percentage to the victims vs your "overhead" where it becomes a scam?

      And, if an individual wanted to do this..and genuinely be charitable...who would he give the money to that he collected?

      Ok..I didn't get much sleep last night...maybe that's why I'm thinking of these questions...but I would be interested in answers and opinions.

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    15. Re:Disgusting by 0racle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No. The Red Cross actually suggests that you donate often to keep their accounts ready to deal with a disaster at a moments notice instead of them having to wait for donations. So it's possible that money they received because of a flood of donations after, for instance, the earthquake in Haiti is being funneled into relief destined for Japan right now.

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    16. Re:Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You fuckers, I hope you rot in hell."

      They won't. In fact, they will laughing hilariously all the way to the bank.

      Your criticisms and condemnations are best directed at all the impulsive fools who will, once again, blithely send away their dollars to any solicitation they may stumble across.

    17. Re:Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that people would take advantage of the disaster and misery at the cost of thousands of people just disgusts me.

      Yeah, I'm disgusted by the funeral business and doctors too.

    18. Re:Disgusting by sdguero · · Score: 1

      I think the tsunami in Indonesia was the cash cow that really showed how much money could be made. And its not through "illegal" means but rather by guys with lots of money who gave largish loans to local authorities in the disaster zones. Essentially they float short term million dollarish loans to local agencies (who are corrupt) within a week or so of the disaster and issue repayment contracts that use the donations (which finally start pouring in a month later), to pay back the loans. They normally get paid back ten fold within a few months. I know because my Grandfather was sadly involved in brokering some of those short term loans back in 2004 in Thailand.

      It sickened me then and I decided I was never going to give my credit card to anyone asking for donations. Over 95% of the money goes to massive profits for rich people who floated the short term loans.

    19. Re:Disgusting by pasv · · Score: 1

      Absolutely revolting. I advice any member of the internet that knows anything about these faghats to _murder_ them. You'll be forgiven as an agent of karma and the world will thank you.

    20. Re:Disgusting by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 1

      No. The Red Cross actually suggests that you donate often to keep their accounts ready to deal with a disaster at a moments notice instead of them having to wait for donations. So it's possible that money they received because of a flood of donations after, for instance, the earthquake in Haiti is being funneled into relief destined for Japan right now.

      Money is fungible, which people all too often fail to understand, and they talk about what particular money was used for what.

      Anyway, this leads naturally to two other important pieces of advice if you choose to donate now:

      1. Don't donate consumption goods like canned food or old clothes; donate money, or liquid assets like stock or bonds.
      2. Don't earmark your donation to help for one particular disaster, or one particular type of help.

      Red Cross and other charities will have a better idea of what goods are needed than you will, and they can get much better prices for them than you can. Every time a disaster comes around, charities are flooded with people's castaway goods that they have to spend time sorting through to find out what's actually useful, and too often they get too much of some things, and not enough of others.

    21. Re:Disgusting by the_hellspawn · · Score: 0

      Really? That is the capitalist way to secure funds. Duh!

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    22. Re:Disgusting by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Don't worry there is a special place in hell for people do that. It is the place reserved for child molesters and people that talk in theater.
      All kidding aside those people are extreme low life scum.
      BTW I know it is not been in the news a lot but Haiti is still in a world of hurt folks. Japan is a rich country and the things they need the most right now are not things you can really buy with money. They need SAR teams, heavy lift choppers, and heavy equipment. A lot of that is on the way. Japan doesn't need money yet.

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    23. Re:Disgusting by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      And that matters.... how? Seriously? Of all the places to start an atheisttheist fight, you pick this?!

    24. Re:Disgusting by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      Stripped naked and tied down above an ants-hill, and a guard next to the hill with a poking stick.... It'll take forever to die

    25. Re:Disgusting by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      Agreed. If there's one country that can rebuild, it's Japan, They've climbed to the top once, been nuked back down, and climbed back to the top after that in record time, they can do it again.

    26. Re:Disgusting by davester666 · · Score: 1

      They are just thinking of the children, who would just squander the money on a few bits of food and water.

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    27. Re:Disgusting by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      I have seen scammers in my own city selling fake cancer cures. The victim turning down real treatments in exchange for magic often loses their life as well as their money and the authorities are powerless to do anything about it. Use the word "Faith" and you have 100% legal immunity, doesn't matter how many victims you kill.

      People are killed by frauds all the time.
      Far more often than people like to believe, and it's happening in western countries.

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    28. Re:Disgusting by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately donations are not helping that much here in Japan at the moment. The problem isn't lack of materials or money, it is simply that the affected areas are dangerous and have been pretty much wiped away. There are thousands of people without homes to go back to, their entire towns and lives washed away. It really is a huge problem because they have no way to live a normal life now, no job, no home... Rebuilding is going to take years and in the mean time it isn't clear what can be done.

      People here are frustrated that there isn't more they can do. All the major companies are donating equipment and the mobile phone providers set up mobile base stations and recharging points for the survivors. Manpower is the real problem though, and due to the danger ordinary people can't really do much to help.

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  2. Worst than spam by Shikaku · · Score: 1

    No lifes will do anything for a buck >:(

  3. THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    A state of emergency was declared at one of Japan's nuclear plants, after the earthquake caused cooling problems at one of the reactors. No radiation leakage has been reported, and the US Air Force has helped by delivering coolant by air.

    This, right here, is why a well funded military is so needed!

    Because it's cheaper than paying for the aftermath of a godzilla attack!

    1. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Hadlock · · Score: 2

      The US military isn't allowed to operate inside of US borders, IIRC. This is what the National Guard and state millitas are for, which are largely separate from the budgets and congregational wartime budget extensions (Afghanistan, Iraq, etc) are passed for. Local forces receive very little of this extended funding, from what I understand.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States

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    2. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by corbettw · · Score: 1

      You don't need a military to have massive waterlift capability. Well-funded fire fighters would to the job.

      Militaries are there to kill people and break things. If you're using them for something other than that, you're using them too much.

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    3. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The National Guard is part of the US Military (there's the Army National Guard which is part of the Army, the Air National Guard is part of the Air Force). The US Military can and does operate within US borders. I would have to guess you're confusing it with the CIA, which is strictly prohibited from operating inside US borders. Barring the US Military from operating within the US would be a bit ridiculous, as that would mean we could not deploy our military in the event of an invasion.

    4. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

      I believe the funding for NG comes from state and not from Federal, as it does with the Regular Army and Reserves.

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    5. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Heh, and I bet you won't hear one peep of appreciation from those in Japan who resent US military presence. Just another example of where after being maligned and diminished (especially by the DPJ), the US military still saves people's bacon, and in a matter of months some group in Japan will be back on the drum to get the US out. Ingrates.

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    6. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Yes, we should totally pay out the ass to unnecessarily create redundant massive and expensive logistical systems, and when there are life threatening disasters, some of those massive and expensive logistical systems should sit completely idle and not life a finger, because that's just not their role, fuck it if people die.

      Is that sarcastic enough, or should I try harder?

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    7. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by jrumney · · Score: 0

      Isn't it about time you guys updated your constitution to reflect the fact that you are a modern democracy now with very little chance of a military coup if you allow the Army to undertake civil defense operations within your own borders.

    8. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Cwix · · Score: 2

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

      The Act prohibits members of the Army, and Air Force, from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.

      The statute prohibits Army and Air Force personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Navy, and Marine Corps are prohibited by Department of Defense Directive, not by the Act itself.[1][2] The Coast Guard, under the Department of Homeland Security, is exempt from the Act.

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    9. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thats about law enforcement. Not say;

      disaster relief
      combat operations
      training exercises
      intelligence operations
      etc.

      The limitation against performing law enforcement duties means an MP can't give you a speeding ticket or arrest you on suspicion of murder, unless you're on federal property. It has nothing to do with air-lifting in supplies, or engaging in combat operations against an invading force.

      Also remember back when schools integrated and US army troops were assigned to escort students across the National Guard blockade? The US army is not limited to operating outside US boarders, and never has been

    10. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by kevinNCSU · · Score: 1

      You do realize we're there because we whipped em in war, nuked em twice, and then disallowed them from having a real standing army for years right? I'm not saying what we did was wrong, but calling them ingrates and expecting them to be all gushy in love with our presence might be a tad unreasonable too ;)

    11. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has Al-Kaida claimed responsibility yet? When's the retaliatory liberation and which country is it going to be?

    12. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by the+linux+geek · · Score: 1

      The US military presence is what allows Japan to maintain the illusion and appearance of pacifism, and relieves them of the need to develop nuclear weapons. A number of prominent Japanese politicians have said that if the US's capability or willingness to defend Japan was in doubt, that Japan would drop the "SDF" fiction and develop long-range offensive weapons, including nuclear arms.

    13. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Cwix · · Score: 1

      Lol I was in the military.

      Yes we can train, I always trained on federal land. I dont know how much training they do elsewhere, but the best I can remember I never saw it.
      Yes there may be combat operations, if congress approves it.
      Yes there may be Disaster Relief, usually only reservists and NG.
      Intelligence Operations? Expand on that please.

      The military can do pretty much everything, but it all boils down to congressional approval in most cases. There were big concerns with standing armies in the early days of our country so alot of restrictions have been placed on how the military can act especially on home turf.

      In Japan it was likely someone called up the US airbase and was like, hey can you help? Well in that situation depending on the SOFA agreement, they could probably scramble the planes right away. If it happened in the US and the base was called, most likely they would be getting approval from far up the chain of command to act.

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    14. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by kevinNCSU · · Score: 1

      I don't doubt that for a second. But I also don't think it's unreasonable that some members of their society might want that to happen so they can stand on their own without foreign military in their borders, and I wouldn't call them ingrates for feeling that way.

    15. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Actually...the individual state in question has to approve it.

      We saw this played in in the Katrina disaster. There were actually a good number of military resources, the National Guard for instance...that were staged and ready to act, but our then Gov. Blankstare...errr...Blanco...waited forever to give the ok for them to act within the state borders as they needed to.

      The NG stayed on for quite a time after Katrina to help police in New Orleans..but it was on a temporary measure and only as long as the temp measure was approved by the Governor. Even then..they had some legal powers limited moreso than a state, or local policeman had.

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    16. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by camperdave · · Score: 1

      This, right here, is why a well funded military is so needed!!

      You don't need a well funded military to do disaster relief. Any well funded Disaster and Emergency Response team will do.

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    17. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Cwix · · Score: 1

      My comments were aimed more at the active component of the military needing congressional approval.

      Your absolutely right that the NG can act on orders from the state government. If I'm not mistaken the enlistment oath for the NG even reflects that. The reasoning for that (I believe) is because the NG doesn't act as a standing army, but more of a state militia. They are also funded in a large part by the state (IIRC).

      I spent my time active, so I only have a passing familiarity with the way the reservists and NG work. The point I was trying to make though was that if its not on federal land then active duty needs some sort of approval for doing pretty much anything.

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    18. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by camperdave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The military has always been used for things other than killing people and breaking things up. Who do you thing built the roads in the Roman Empire, or built the castles dotting Europe, or that wall thingy in China. Even in our times, the Army corps of Engineers is constantly being called upon to drain swamps, dredge canals, or put up bridges.

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    19. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because we couldn't deliver coolant by air if we didn't have a trillion dollar military.

    20. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      No, the National Guard of the United States and Air National Guard of the United States are reserve military forces composed of state National Guard militia members or units under federally recognized active or inactive armed force service for the United States.

      They become part of the US military when their units are Federalized or "called up". The National Guard units operate under their respective state governor or territorial adjutant general. The National Guard may be called up for active duty by state governors or territorial adjutant general to help respond to domestic emergencies and disasters, such as hurricanes, floods, and earthquakes.

      When Federalized, some National Guards are large enough to be entire US Army Divisions, like the 28th Infantry is made up of Pennsylvania National Guard.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28th_Infantry_Division_(United_States)

      Some US Army Divisions are made up of various National Guard units, like the 40th Infantry is California, Oregon, Hawaii, Arizona, Washington, Alaska, New Mexico, Indiana, Nebraska, Utah and Guam Guard units.

      The DoD funds their equipment and some of the training, but they are state militia units most of the time and if called up for a natural disaster or crisis are acting as a State force, not a Federal force.

    21. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      It would never happen, to update the Constitution requires three-fourths of the state legislatures to approve a change and theres no way three-fourths of the states would ever approve it.

      Its not a coup issue, it is a state's rights issue and civil liberties issue, the general consensus in the US after Reconstruction in the 1860s and 70s was the US military shouldn't be able to operate on US soil and oppress the civilians or state government.

    22. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      The point I was trying to make though was that if its not on federal land then active duty needs some sort of approval for doing pretty much anything.

      I misunderstood what you were saying. I agree 100% with you...

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    23. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by corbettw · · Score: 1

      To say that you missed the point of my post would be like saying that the sun is just a little warm.

      How about we just not have those expensive logistical systems in the first place? Trim back the military spending and stop relying on them for every single problem that comes up. The military is not a hammer, and all of society's problems are not nails.

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    24. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by corbettw · · Score: 1

      Who do you thing built the roads in the Roman Empire

      Slaves.

      built the castles dotting Europe

      Slaves.

      that wall thingy in China

      Slaves again.

      You really like having slaves around, don't you?

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    25. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but that is not where most of our money goes. The money goes mostly into buying expensive equipment that is useful for killing people and occupying their countries. A very small amount ends up helping people in disaster zones, but that could equally well happen without paying through the nose for killing machines.

    26. Re:THIS is why we pay so much for our Military! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The military has always been used for things other than killing people and breaking things up. Who do you thing built the roads in the Roman Empire, or built the castles dotting Europe, or that wall thingy in China.

      Umm...slaves?

      (The military would've been used to capture those slaves, though, so I guess your point still stands.)

  4. White cars by Andy+Smith · · Score: 5, Funny

    It appears that one way to improve your chance of survival in a tsunami is to not have a white car.
    http://i.imgur.com/ddHiq.jpg

    1. Re:White cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Ah - the problem with that theory is that the waves washed the colors right off of those cars, so we can no longer tell which ones were white, and which ones were other colors.

    2. Re:White cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the white cars float better?

    3. Re:White cars by mrjb · · Score: 1

      I told those car manufacturers time and time again not to use water colours to paint those cars but they wouldn't listen.

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    4. Re:White cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like these didn't wash off as much.

      http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/jpq03111/s_j10_RTR2JQVV.jpg

    5. Re:White cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, White is the most popular color for car in Japan

    6. Re:White cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really. The relevant video also shows plenty of black, grey, green, and blue cars being washed away too. And boats!

    7. Re:White cars by digitig · · Score: 1

      Boats float? Who'd a thunk it?

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    8. Re:White cars by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      My theory is that those were being carried by the planes, which fell out of the sky independently of the quake.

      ...that makes sense, right?

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    9. Re:White cars by demonbug · · Score: 1

      It appears that one way to improve your chance of survival in a tsunami is to not have a white car.
      http://i.imgur.com/ddHiq.jpg

      Nah, it's just that lighter cars float so you can see more of them. The dark ones sink.
      Elementary psychics.

    10. Re:White cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All that picture tells me is that white cars float while other cars sink underwater.

    11. Re:White cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boats breaking their moorings and floating landward ... crunching under an overpass that until a few minutes earlier was on dry land?

  5. Always do your research before donating by sandytaru · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not just to charities created because of tragedies, but to any charity at all. Websites such as Charity Watchdog (http://www.charitywatch.org/) exist to allow you to confirm how legit any given organization is. (When in doubt, just throw ten bucks at Red Cross International or Doctors Without Borders.)

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    1. Re:Always do your research before donating by Relayman · · Score: 1

      I repeat myself: Is there any guarantee that money donated to the American Red Cross will actually be spent on tsunami relief?

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    2. Re:Always do your research before donating by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Is there any guarantee that money donated to the American Red Cross will actually be spent on tsunami relief?

      Why are you asking that in response to a suggestion to donate to the International Red Cross? (The ICRC donations page does not yet list Japan.)

      Anyway, american.redcross.org says:

      Your gift to the American Red Cross will support our disaster relief efforts to help those affected by the earthquake in Japan and tsunami throughout the Pacific. On those rare occasions when donations exceed American Red Cross expenses for a specific disaster, contributions are used to prepare for and serve victims of other disasters.

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    3. Re:Always do your research before donating by Relayman · · Score: 1

      You wrote, "Why are you asking that in response to a suggestion to donate to the International Red Cross?" My bad, I saw "Red Cross" and responded too fast. I know nothing about the ICRC and shouldn't have made the comment. Someone has already responded to my earlier posting by saying that the American Red Cross says that excess funds are saved for the next disaster.

      We're talking about scams here and the prevalence of scams has made me cynical. I tend to donate to organizations that are local or that I can readily verify are using my money well.

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  6. arguably by nimbius · · Score: 1

    isnt news for nerds, we have known for a while this happens.

    what i want to know as a nerd is completely off topic,
    but in the nation of japan how is it the death toll so far for this tsunami has only been reported as "hundreds" of people and not thousands dead?
    what technology has japan used or is japan using thats saved so many lives?
    Will they use rescue-robotics like robo-q or the quince prototype to locate and identify survivors?
    or something more powerful like the Tmsuk T53 to lift heavy concrete slabs and debris?

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    1. Re:arguably by Leafheart · · Score: 5, Informative

      what technology has japan used or is japan using thats saved so many lives?

      Japan has an impressive Earthquake alert system. They picked the shaking 1 minute before it main force hit. That gave time for most of the people to evacute the buildings as needed. Same goes for the Tsunami. Where they didn't have time to react though, like in Sendai, which was absurdly close to the epicenter, the death tool was worst.

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    2. Re:arguably by natehoy · · Score: 2

      There's a significant difference between "number dead" and "number confirmed dead". The actual number who have died is unknown, so most outlets report the numbers that are known to be dead.

      That means that the number will (sadly) climb much higher. With 1,300 miles of shoreline affected by the tsunami, I expect we won't be talking in the hundreds for very long, unfortunately.

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    3. Re:arguably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      death tool

      I'm imagining some huge rotating steel tentacle with a claw on the end. Is that what you meant?

    4. Re:arguably by timeOday · · Score: 3, Informative
      It's not robotic rescue dogs, it's building codes that reduce the need for them in the first place.

      Compare to China recently where a less powerful quake sent brick buildings toppling onto and killing tens of thousands of people, including government buildings such as schoolhouses that collapsed and killed the children inside.

      Building codes are one of the areas where it's almost impossible to argue against the need for government regulation.

    5. Re:arguably by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Where they didn't have time to react though, like in Sendai, which was absurdly close to the epicenter, the death tool was worst.

      So how did this death tool work? Why would they use it when they did not have time to react?

    6. Re:arguably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Building codes are one of the areas where it's almost impossible to argue against the need for government regulation

      No they aren't. The trouble with comparing code vs. non-code situations is that the human cost of code enforcement is difficult to measure.

      What do I mean? OK, 50,000 deaths without code vs. 500 with code. Easy. A no-brainer, right? Not so fast. The single point of disaster gives you an easy number to measure. The problem with code enforcement is that its negative effects are spread out. What are the negative effects? Primarily increased building costs, and government resources spent on enforcement. From the individual's standpoint, money for superior food, healthcare, etc. is diverted to afford the more expensive housing. Or, they find cheaper code compliant housing 20 miles further away, and die in car crashes at the rate of 10,000 more per year. Unless a major earthquake comes along every 5 years, that would make code enforcement a loser.

      In general I'm not opposed to codes; but I don't think it's quite the no-brainer that it appears to be.

      The fact that it's difficult to account for the opportunity costs of code compliance, makes it difficult to argue against codes. Codes win because they have "showy" numbers. In the long run though, we may be dying by degrees instead of in one spectacular collapse.

    7. Re:arguably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much is a human life worth? Mine is priceless to me.

    8. Re:arguably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Japan probably have more stringent earthquake code than China due to geological reasons, but comparing death toll without considering the location of the epicenter is unscientific.
      If this ~8.9 quake happened in downtown Tokyo instead of in the ocean somewhere, no building code is going to do much to mitigate major lost of life.
      The 7.9 Sichuan quake of 2008 involved about 10x the energy of the 6.8 Kobe earthquake of 1995. and it killed about 10x more people. So it's not entirely a building code issue.

    9. Re:arguably by TimSSG · · Score: 1

      I think a "Anonymous Coward" life is worth less.

      Tim S.

  7. On Shakey Ground by Mirey · · Score: 2

    "Prepare For Massive Wave"

    Don't you think it's a bit soon to be making puns?

    1. Re:On Shakey Ground by JustOK · · Score: 1

      no, the waves move fast in the ocean. If you don't make the joke before the wave hits shore, it would be a complete wash out.

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    2. Re:On Shakey Ground by nzap · · Score: 1

      It's always too soon to be making puns.

    3. Re:On Shakey Ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Prepare For Massive Wave"

      Don't you think it's a bit soon to be making puns?

      I thought it was a lousy pun.

      A better one would be "Prepare for a tsunami".

    4. Re:On Shakey Ground by Politburo · · Score: 1

      You apparently don't think so, given your subject...

  8. It didn't help last time. by Seumas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Listen, people are idiots and fools are easily parted with their money. More, people have a short attention span and never follow up on the results.

    People were suckered into the whole Haiti thing last year. Morons "texting" cash to charities and schiesters like Bill Clinton and George Bush encouraging people to "just send us your cash". And in the end? No accountability. I don't even need to go into the troubles with the Red Cross and the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund, which raised hundreds of millions of dollars, can't seem to account for where all that money went to. Last I recall, Clinton was present to see the handing over of three million bucks or some similarly ridiculously low number.

    You had global donations from governments promised in the billions (at least five billion, I believe). You had moron celebrities holding telethons and telling you that you should give your cash.

    And idiots gave their cash. But they never looked in on what was going on. Why should they? I texted my $10 to some place, so I'm a good person now! I don't need to figure out whatever happened after that!

    Meanwhile, it's a year later and we're told that people are still living in tents and everyone is dying of dysentery or whatever.

    Of course, Japan is less likely to be prone to this kind of problem, I think. The only concern there will be with fake charities trying to scam you out of donations through fake websites and other services. And that's what this article was talking about, to begin with. The problem in Haiti was different, in that they're not the power that is Japan. They're fucking Haiti. And actual real organizations simply behaved criminally after extorting donations from you.

    1. Re:It didn't help last time. by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 2

      Listen, people are idiots and fools are easily parted with their money. More, people have a short attention span and never follow up on the results.

      It's quite true actually, I didn't even read past this line...

    2. Re:It didn't help last time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's quite true actually, I didn't even read past this line...

      You didn't miss anything. He's basically blubbering on about how everyone is an idiot but him and trying to guilt people into being more like him. As if he is the only person in the world who realizes that scams exist and people give charitable donations to feel better about themselves.

      News flash, GP. Old news doesn't become new or interesting just by calling everyone idiots. Try putting some thought into your post.

    3. Re:It didn't help last time. by Schwhat · · Score: 0

      The low number is normal. If it was near the high number of the actual donation something is wrong. They usually don't lie about numbers about how much is donated (because of good publicity of how successful the program is). Then the amount diminishes due to expenses, etc. All official charities, are actual corporations that need to pay their workers, CEOs, VPs, etc. I guarantee if they collect $10 mill, less than $5 mill actually goes to actually helping. Worse are government aid, which could mean they give them aid which costs up to that donation amount they stated (which means food, water, etc. that is probably brought at the over priced amount and aide workers - yes people get paid to work, duh - are subtracted to that amount). It's usually never clear cut money tossed at the victim's gov't. Or the amount could be tied down through some legal issues and the victims never see a dime for many years to come.

    4. Re:It didn't help last time. by khallow · · Score: 1

      Yet more evidence that you can't con an honest man, amirite? I wonder why there's a certain type of person who compulsively has to cast con victims as perpetrators (to the point that they seek to identify the source of "greed") whenever scams and other cons are uncovered on Slashdot.

    5. Re:It didn't help last time. by Relayman · · Score: 2

      You were on the right track but then went away from your point. Without naming names, it is awfully hard separating the scams from the "legitimate" charities that actually don't spend the money you donate on the crisis but use it for overhead and salaries. Just look at how much some of these main-stream charities spend on advertising (using your dollars, of course). You think all that advertising is free? Nope, they pay for it just so that they can get your name, address, phone and e-mail address. That way, they can hit you up again when the next disaster rolls around.

      Do what I do, and I'm doing it today: Keep your money in your wallet and donate blood instead. I have a high platelet count, so I can donate three units of platelets in less than 80 minutes. I know it's going to a good cause and it's something that money can't buy; by law, blood from paid donors can't be used for transfusions.

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    6. Re:It didn't help last time. by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how it's possible to misread what I wrote, but I think you might of. I wasn't casting victims as perpetrators. I was casing supposed CHARITIES as perpetrators. Remember that whole Clinton Bush Haiti Fund? I believe they raised something like $300-500 million dollars. Last news I saw about it was that only a few million had actually ever made its way into charitable use and some organizations were proposing investigating what was going on with all those funds they had raised, in the first place.

    7. Re:It didn't help last time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously didn't read his post, either. If you had, you would know that what he did was point out how people not only fall for scams but mindlessly donate to real charities without any thought that don't live up to their promise and haven't distributed the tons of funds they've raised.

    8. Re:It didn't help last time. by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking merely about the questionable attitude of, say, Red Cross. Where their executives get paid half a million in salary and when people donate for a specific cause, they take it and fund everything else with it. I'm not even talking about what percentage of overhead and administration a particular charity requires.

      I'm talking specifically about the many reports of organizations having raised massive amounts of money immediately after the events in Haiti (and continue to raise the, today) . . . but haven't allocated them. Of course, there's the issue of governments also having pledged billions of dollars that they never followed through on, but . . . we all saw that coming, anyway.

      And, yeah, of course people get paid to work. But isn't a million dollar salary a bit extreme for any position within a _CHARITY_?

  9. Use known agents by fermion · · Score: 1
    With charity there is just too much risk with using agents. Even if they are legitimate, there is not way to know how much money will end up in the hands of people that need help. The Red Cross/Red Crescent, MSF, or the like will tend to get help to the people who need it.

    What I hear most charities say is that people should give regularly so the agencies will have the resources to handle these emergency.

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    1. Re:Use known agents by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Of course, they say that. They need a regular source of income for their highly paid professional charity executives.

    2. Re:Use known agents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The solution to these highly paid executives is for you to gain the education and experience needed to manage an international charity, and offer your services for free. I am sure they will provide you with a modest studio apartment for you to sleep in, a Subway account to meet your nutritional needs, and a bus pass to move around town. I am sure you can find various means to fly around the world on the cheap, staying at friends house to save hotel costs. Which is not to say that there is not great deal of administrative waste in all firms, just that people expect to be compensated for their skills, even if such compensation come from charitable sources.

    3. Re:Use known agents by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Sure, you should be compensated, but if you're in the "charity business", you would think you'd be a little more ethically inclined. How do you justify hundreds of thousands in salary for a position where you head a *charity*? I would say $500,000/yr is a bit extreme for the Red Cross and $1,000,000/yr is a bit extreme for the United Way. You aren't talking about providing salaries that make sure these people can focus on the job rather than living in a cardboard box. You're talking about paying them enough to be millionaires on charitable donations.

    4. Re:Use known agents by kevinNCSU · · Score: 2

      At the end of the day it's about using the money to make the best difference. If paying 100k a year to put someone in that position organizing charities across the globe where a single decision could waste or make hundreds of thousands of dollars it might be worth it to have a high enough salary for that position that you attract someone who is extremely competent at making those organizational decisions and actions and thus gives you a net gain in efficiency. anyways, there's a lot of watchdog sites that show the overhead factor for different charities and they are usually fairly low. While the top person might be making a good bit you have to understand the breadth and scale of the responsibility they have and how terribly it could effect every level of the organization if they don't perform.

  10. Help Prevent Disaster Scams by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    Give to the Organization for Scam Prevention Now!

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    1. Re:Help Prevent Disaster Scams by sconeu · · Score: 2

      I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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    2. Re:Help Prevent Disaster Scams by PPH · · Score: 1

      I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

      That's going to cost you. How much do you have?

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    3. Re:Help Prevent Disaster Scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My tax dollars were supposed to do that, by educating people to the point where they wouldn't fall for scams. Something went wrong though. I think the scammers took over the education system.

  11. Where's the line? by hort_wort · · Score: 2

    So I'm just a bit in the gray on this issue. Where's the line drawn on what's morally acceptable with this? If I immediately run and sell all my Japanese stocks and instead buy into rice after seeing all the fields on tv being destroyed, does that mean I'm evil and taking advantage of this situation? I would still end up being in a financially better position as a result of a tragedy.

    1. Re:Where's the line? by 0racle · · Score: 1

      If you can equate legitimate business to pretending to be a charity to extort money out of people then I suppose you have a moral conundrum.

      A big difference in your example is that rice companies are actually selling rice, charity scams aren't providing charitable works.

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    2. Re:Where's the line? by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 1

      You're OK, morally speaking, if you donate a part of your new-found earnings to legitimate earthquake relief funds.

    3. Re:Where's the line? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't introduce moral ambiguity where it doesn't exist. At no point did you take money from people under the pretense of helping only to not help anyone but yourself.

    4. Re:Where's the line? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      You can do whatever you want, as long as you buy carbon credits to make up for it.

    5. Re:Where's the line? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, if there is a food shortage as a result of farm land being destroyed and you endeavor to profit by this, then yes, I'd say you were evil.

    6. Re:Where's the line? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Where is the moral gray area?
      You are doing something that does not harm anyone as rice prices will go up no matter what you do.
      Taking money under the guise of charity and keeping it is theft by deception. That is both theft and theft of money that could have helped others.

    7. Re:Where's the line? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sin lies in not making money, but instead in discouraging people from giving donations due to the fear of being cheated.
      Your investments won't make me hesitate if I should give $100 to help people in a disaster area, unlike the scams.

  12. Incredible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the first word that come to me when I see the pictures of the hearthquake. Incredible...

    Daniel Colleman
    http://www.danielcolleman.com

  13. So... by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

    Does that mean I should ignore that email I got about a Japanese princess?

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    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does that mean I should ignore that email I got about a Japanese princess?

      Yeah, according to my plumber she's been safely evacuated to another castle.

  14. Do they need aid? by ShavedOrangutan · · Score: 1

    I mean, aside from the immediate need for search and rescue, is Japan really going to need donations to recover from this? Last I heard, they were one of the wealthier nations.

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  15. Relax by droopus · · Score: 5, Funny

    No aid needed. The GOP has voted to send an emergency humanitarian shipment of tax cuts to the affected area.

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    1. Re:Relax by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      No that's not correct. You don't aid other people in disasters. They have to learn to be self-reliant. If you aid people in disasters, they will come to expect aid and cease to have their own disaster preparedness. I as a real American won't have any of this socialist disaster welfare. Altruism is evil incarnate.

      </sarcasm>

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    2. Re:Relax by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1, Informative

      An important note: if you don't receive any of the tax cuts, do not be alarmed. The tax cuts will be distributed to the rich and should trickle down to you shortly.

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    3. Re:Relax by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      If you aid people in disasters, they won't learn to stop having disasters. Right?

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    4. Re:Relax by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      some people just seem to like disasters, they keep having them. and for some reason, i can't understand, certain Americans, socialists and fascists, they want to help them, to keep them in a constant state of disaster

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  16. Insurance policy exclusions will be the BIG SCAM by Bob_Who · · Score: 2

    Just like AIG mortgages, Katrina floods, So Cal wild fires, and America's heath plan, when its time for that insurance in times of disaster, suddenly you realize you don't really have the coverage required to restore your losses. Its kind of like most things when you pay in advance of receiving the goods.
    Lets just see if the insurance industry fell into the cracks, yet again, leaving flood victims "high and dry" in the low and wet. I bet that earthquake coverage just got washed away by all of that salt water. So it you gotta have boat insurance under that much water.

    "Its a Tsunami not an earthquake, Mr. Miagi....so sorry" ....

    All of those disaster policies only sold you a false sense of security, in exchange for years of cash..... Who gets to break their legs if they don't pay...another act of God, or the Yakuza?

  17. Scam in Summary by srussia · · Score: 0

    FTFS:The NY Times makes the excellent point that things could have been much worse if not for building codes and quake-resistant engineering.

    I saw what you did there Soulskill. The NYT is already using it to push its agenda and you fell for it.

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  18. Prepare for Massive Wave of Scams... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    yep. politicians are already holding news conferences.

  19. Red Cross is Legit by TheLazySci-FiAuthor · · Score: 1

    text REDCROSS to 90999 to donate $10

    1. Re:Red Cross is Legit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please don't. 90999 may be legit, but we don't want to be teaching people to donate by sending off texts to random numbers. If you want to give to Red Cross, go to their website, it's much easier to see where the money is actually going there.

  20. Mod Parent UP!!!! by sconeu · · Score: 3

    It's not robotic rescue dogs, it's building codes that reduce the need for them in the first place.

    I live in SoCal. I tell my friends from other places that the safest place to be when an earthquake hits is "somewhere else", but if you can't be there, then SoCal (and NorCal, too) is one of the best places to be.

    Why? Because we know that the Big One is coming... someday... Our building codes are designed so that while the building might not be safe to occupy, it will stand long enough to let you get out. And the codes are under constant revision after every earthquake. Example, the '94 Northridge quake was a kind they hadn't seen or planned for. Codes got revised because of it.

    Both Los Angeles and St. Louis sit on top of major faults. Which city would you rather be in when a 7.5 quake hits?

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  21. and this is why by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    I do my best every day... why wait for a desaster to happen before helping a fellow friend.

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  22. "US Air Force has helped by delivering coolant" by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    I know this basically means that the USAF is acting like a glorified FedEx: expediting delivery of a critically needed resource. And I'm glad for that, a China Syndrome reactor accident would make Chernobyl look like Child's play (although, it's Japan, so it would be an Argentina Syndrome reactor accident).

    But I couldn't get the image out of my mind of Slim Pickens riding a refridgerator out of a bomber's bay doors over Tokyo while whooping it up.

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    1. Re:"US Air Force has helped by delivering coolant" by treeves · · Score: 1

      I can't understand why they needed the US Air Force to deliver deionized water which should still be available in other parts of Japan.
      It's not like LWR coolant is some specialized material made in government labs. It's DI water. And in a severe emergency (like this?), you could use tap water.

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    2. Re:"US Air Force has helped by delivering coolant" by istartedi · · Score: 1

      IANANuclear engineer, but I always thought reactors just used regular old water and pumps for cooling. this article appears to confirm it. The Air Force is also denying they sent anything.

      The story had an air of unbeleivability right out of the box. Did Hillary even say anything like that? I dunno. If so, where did she get the info? I dunno.

      Then again, maybe the USAF has some magical coolant that the aliens at Area 51 showed them. It works like this: 1. Pump coolant into reactor. 2. Heat is transferred to air. 3. Hot air comes out of politician's mouth on the other side of the planet.

      That would explain a lot of things.

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    3. Re:"US Air Force has helped by delivering coolant" by black3d · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I was watching Hillary say earlier that "Japan has run out of coolant, so we've had the US Air Force deliver some to them."

      Made me mad that politians are allowed to just make up stupid crap like that and still hold any sort of position of authority. "Coolant" is water. Furthermore, you'd need several jumbos full of "coolant" to cool a single reactor - and as it's so heavy, you'd only be able to fill a jumbo about 1/4th. There's no way the USAF has delivered enough "coolant" to do anything.

      Furthermore - Japan doesn't NEED water. They have plenty of it. They need working pumps for their backup coolant system - and in fact the pumps are fine, they're just without power, hence why Japan has mobilised over 50 generators to one nuclear plant - to power the backup coolant pumping systems.

      So Hillary, she's just talking complete bullshit.

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    4. Re:"US Air Force has helped by delivering coolant" by quenda · · Score: 1

      If the US air-force helped, I'm guessing it was by flying in diesel generators to power the cooling pumps where floods have damaged the onsite ones.
      The US airforce has a big presence in Japan.

      a China Syndrome reactor accident would make Chernobyl look like Child's play

      How is that? Chernobyl's core caught fire, putting large amounts of fission product up in smoke.
      A meltdown through the containment base could put some nasty stuff up in steam, but how is that so much worse?

  23. I'll bite by srussia · · Score: 2

    Building codes are one of the areas where it's almost impossible to argue against the need for government regulation.

    I propose a building code that stipulates carbon nanotube framing and internal airbags, plus a municipal ordinance prohibiting tchotchkes weighing more than 2 kg. Surely that would save even more lives in the event of an 8.9 magnitude earthquake.

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    1. Re:I'll bite by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I understand you, but I do realize bad regulations are worse than none at all, and overkill is possible and undesirable even when there is a valid need for reasonable regulations.

    2. Re:I'll bite by srussia · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I understand you, but I do realize bad regulations are worse than none at all, and overkill is possible and undesirable even when there is a valid need for reasonable regulations.

      My point is that there is no objectively "reasonable" building standard, only what the user, according to his subjective value judgment, and the supplier, according to what it would cost him, are willing to settle on at a certain price.

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    3. Re:I'll bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turds at every corner :( Your /sarcasm is not funny.

      Quite sad that some will still argue that no building codes are better than gov't mandated building codes such as the ones in Japan.

    4. Re:I'll bite by timeOday · · Score: 1
      No, I disagree it should be solely up to the builder and buyer. Almost certainly the building will be bought and sold multiple times, and without codes there's no reasonable way for a buyer to know if the building is well-constructed, resulting in the market undervaluing safety/quality due to lack of information, and a subsequent race to the bottom. Moreover, the vast majority of buyers are simply not technically qualified to make these sorts of assessments. Granted the precise optimum is subjective, but it's very clearly neither a concrete bunker on one end, nor a flimsy deathtrap at the other.

      And that's not even counting public buildings, such as schoolhouses.

    5. Re:I'll bite by srussia · · Score: 1

      I think the information asymmetry can be overcome by private building rating/certification agencies. A one-size-fits all (mandatory codes within a certain jurisdiction) guarantees a suboptimal exchange (price or quality above or below what would have been the non-regulated outcome). A voluntary exchange between buyer and seller on freely agreed price/quality terms on the other hand means that both parties are better off for the exchange--Pareto optimality!

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  24. Air Force by bearoderse · · Score: 2

    I know its prob already been said and I am well aware I am a horrible person for saying this but does anyone else find it morbidly comical that the US Air Force is now flying over Japan to try and prevent a nuclear incident?

    1. Re:Air Force by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      There is a certain degree of irony in the situation, I agree. (laughs out loud)

      I'm a bit perplexed about what sort of "coolant" could be needed that might be delivered in significant (i.e., useful) quantities by plane. Which makes me rather dubious that some reporters (or politicians) have got the wrong end of a comment.

      IF (and for me, it is an IF) the Japanese have needed to move any equipment or material to the site, then this is a major planning failure. Really major. And it will have international implications, because many other nuclear plants around the world will have similar underlying problems.

      But, touching wood, there don't appear to have been significant radiation leakages. (I write as my wife, who was 100km downwind of Chernobyl, is nagging me to go to the bloody gym. The gym is elsewhere in the most naturally radioactive city in this country. Radiation paranoiacs, please take note and STFU.)

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  25. DUUUUH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The NY Times makes the excellent point that things could have been much worse if not for building codes and quake-resistant engineering.

    Thank you Einstein, we would never have deduced that on our own.
    Can you also comment if it is sunny outside, would I see blue sky if I step out of my house?

  26. coolant huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US Air Force has helped by delivering coolant by air

    Well the coolant is water so I'm not sure if a power plant on the shores of the Pacific is necessarily extremely grateful for this generous gesture.

    It's heartening though to see the US have done a 180 turnaround after the tardy hurricane Katrina fiasco.

    1. Re:coolant huh? by DavidTC · · Score: 2

      That's because the Japanese are honorary white people, and not poor, so of course we'll help.

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    2. Re:coolant huh? by ShavedOrangutan · · Score: 3, Informative

      The governor of Louisiana declined requests by President Bush to have the National Guard enforce state laws, and didn't request any additional troops until 2 days after Katrina. The President does not have the authority to just send the military into a state.

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  27. white and silver by slew · · Score: 1

    FYI, White is the most popular color for car in Japan

    Yes, but silver is a close second in japan and the world-wide favorite...

    http://www2.dupont.com/Automotive/en_US/news_events/article20101207.html

    If you look at the picture more closely, there are probably a similar number of silver colored cars floating there too...

  28. Other Earthquake scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real scams are the long term 'prediction' scientists who milk poor countries out of money for earthquake preparedness. Elchin Khalilov and his Global Network for the Forecasting of Earthquakes is a prime example. He's managed to convince the (admittedly gullible) Turkish press that there will be an earthquake near Istanbul next year using his Atropatena Crystal earthquake predictor (scroll down on the home page). A little research shows how much he's spammed the internet with fancy-sounding organisations and associations to create an image of authenticity so as to get countries to dump money into his snake oil... So sad and yet they lap it up.

  29. Wall Street is beating them to the punch by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

    The yen ROSE almost 2% today. I couldn't figure out why and then it hit me, a massive amount of foreign aid is going to start coming into Japan driving up demand for the yen. Wall Street is taking advantage of this fact and lighter trading due to the Japanese markets being closed to ensure that wall street gets a cut of the aid action. Disgusting.

  30. Help? by wirelesslayers · · Score: 1

    Since when Japan need help from outside? Last time I went tourist to Japan-Tokyo (2009), the hotel manager went to me with a towel and a soap and said: "Thanks for stay with us you can have it." Then I was: O_o? The hell are you talking about? Why I would need hotel stuff? Then he said: Because your people not from Japan always steal it. Don't even like to remember that, went to police, embassy... Was a fucking mess. He received some sort of punishment like help to collect garbage or donations to someone, not sure.

  31. DHS opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the DHS insists on becoming the great Cyber Vigilante, they might as well do something useful, and at least tip off the FBI or something. Not that I think the DHS has any business on the internet, but here is a great chance to exercise their hot and bothered desire to attack cyber criminals.

  32. Re:Insurance policy exclusions will be the BIG SCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Unlike the US economy, the Japanese economy isn't focused on scamming its own citizens for eventual redistribution to a wealthy elite. So I think the policies will hold up perfectly well, the Japanese don't regard risk-management as a taxpayer-financed casino, unlike certain countries.

  33. Re:Insurance policy exclusions will be the BIG SCA by destroygbiv · · Score: 1

    Insurance companies pay when they are legally obligated to pay. They do not pay when they are not legally obligated to do so, obviously. So if the damage is a result of tsunami, and the insured does not have tsunami coverage, the insurance company is not going to pay them just because their situation is unfortunate. Why would they? Out of some sort of altruistic compassion for humanity? That'd last a year or two before the whole things becomes completely unsustainable. Inject as much outrage and normative bullshit into the discussion as you like, at the end of the day it is a numbers game. If you bet me that the Giants win with a 14 point spread, and the Giants win with a 7 point spread, I ain't paying you, and I don't care if you just bet me your child's college tuition. Now if you want to win on a 7 point spread, you better bet on a 7 point spread. There's just no guarantee that I'm going to take that bet. Ya dig? Yes, I am an insurance adjuster.

  34. Changing with the wind by kdougherty · · Score: 0

    Its nice to see the US fixing a nuclear facility instead of passing around stuxnet.

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