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In Virginia, Delivering Broadband To the Customers Big Telecom Forgot

cheezitmike writes "A Washington Post story tells how former automotive engineer Paul Conlin just wanted to get broadband at his rural home in Fauquier County, Virginia, and ended up forming his own wireless ISP: 'Paul Conlin, the proprietor of Blaze Broadband, is not a typical telecom executive. He drives a red pickup and climbs roofs. When customers call tech support, he is the one who answers. Conlin delivers broadband to Fauquier County homes bypassed by Comcast and Verizon, bouncing wireless signals from antennas on barns, silos, water towers and cellphone poles.'"

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  1. Wait for it... by Wizarth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sued by Comcast and Verizon for "unfair competition" in 3, 2, 1...

    1. Re:Wait for it... by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's no revenue there. That's why they didn't run expensive stuff. The last mile, when it's rural, is the most expensive. That's why, in the US, there was a tax to subsidize rural phone after it worked for rural electric. Coops are a great idea when the fat cats are distracted by low-hanging fruit.

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    2. Re:Wait for it... by schnikies79 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Verizon sued a local WISP service where I live (very rural southern Indiana), and they lost. That was around 2004. The company now covers the county.

      Verizon (now Frontier) put in DSL a few years later.

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    3. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who provides broadband who isn't Comcast or Verizon gets sued. This is why they can go on charging monopolistic rates. This is why they never have to upgrade service. This is why they're jacking the rates up on existing service that is approaching 10 years old and not upgraded.

    4. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They sued EPB too. EPB prevailed in court, but then the cable companies lobbied to change the laws.

      Fortunately for all the 1GBps customers, EPB was grandfathered in.

    5. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus Christ!
      I haven't been so angry since a few hours ago!
      Time to stay away from the news for a few days...

    6. Re:Wait for it... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2

      Already happened in some locales: Telco wouldn't install fiber network, sued to prevent city from doing so (Another Article: we sue because we care)

      It seems that Monticello's FTTH initiative must have succeeded, as they now provide fiber to the home, and with fairly reasonable residential pricing, such as 30/30 Mbps for about $50/month.

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    7. Re:Wait for it... by plopez · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are naive. The corps will not pay for the last mile but they will pay lawyers and lobbyists to crush competition. I think it was Pittsburgh that wanted to set up a city run wireless service when the big boys didn't show up to the party. The (mostly Republican) state legislature passed legislation preventing the plan after being bought.... um, I mean bribed.... um, I mean "incentive-ized" by the wireless companies.

      That's how the real world works.

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    8. Re:Wait for it... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 0

      And $89 dollars a month for 10MB down plus $329 install fee is cheap? Think again.

    9. Re:Wait for it... by operagost · · Score: 1

      It may have been due to the fact that it would not have been profitable, and thus subsidized by taxpayers who may have not wanted-- or even been able to use-- the wireless internet service. Regardless, Clear now has a presence.

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    10. Re:Wait for it... by The+Moof · · Score: 1

      Yes, the judge sided with the municipality (if my memory serves). It doesn't mean that the big Telcos will stop suing others, though. I know if I decided to go out and fire up my own ISP and got sued, I wouldn't have the resources to defend myself.

    11. Re:Wait for it... by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Last miles in cities are a lot different from last miles in broadband. No one wants to do free/cheap wifi in the middle of a city because it's, gasp, not cost effective. Long before the population density got high enough to support wifi, the population density got high enough to support "cheap" cable and DSL (good enough for almost everyone involved), and probably even good 3g (although its not as cheap). No one is stopping companies who can stand on their own from starting up city-wide wifi, but amazingly very few have successfully done it. The legislation, while you did a nice job of vilifying it, was directed at limiting the governments involvement in free/cheap wireless (read: don't spend my tax money on it.)

    12. Re:Wait for it... by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      Anyone who provides broadband who isn't Comcast or Verizon gets sued. This is why they can go on charging monopolistic rates. This is why they never have to upgrade service. This is why they're jacking the rates up on existing service that is approaching 10 years old and not upgraded.

      or AT&T/Time Warner

    13. Re:Wait for it... by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      Why does everything have to be profitable? Were the taxpayers who didn't want to pay for it forbidden from leaving if that $.000342 for every dollar of sales tax was too much for them?

      But you are right, I am sure that the big telecoms were thinking of the poor, overtaxed citizens who were not able to vote when they sued to shut it down. That's what corporations are known for, protecting the little man.

    14. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sued by Comcast and Verizon for "unfair competition" in 3, 2, 1...

      Last I checked, Comcast supplies bandwidth and transport to some of these WISPs in rural Virginia. Why bill the end users when you can bill the provider and have less capital and operational expenses. Why would they sue the companies they make more profit off then if they did it themselves?

      One of the main issues that big teleco has with municipalities running their own ISPs is the franchise fees the telecos/MSOs have to shell out - including FREE fiber/coax/copper - to these municipalities. Then the teleco/MSOs watch the same government who "taxes" them use those same assets/monies to undercut them.

    15. Re:Wait for it... by plopez · · Score: 1

      If the private sector doesn't want to or can't provide an important service, why should the public sector be locked out? IIRC the city gov't repeatedly tried to interest the private sector, to no avail. This policy has implications since lack of access has impacts on businesses in the city and/or attracting new businesses. Some times the public good needs to be thought of as well. Instead of protecting a few corporations.

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  2. Artificial scarcity by Ironchew · · Score: 3

    He'll figure out just how "expensive" broadband is when the telecoms tie him up in court. That is, if this ISP is large enough to affect the bigwigs.

    1. Re:Artificial scarcity by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Why is this legal?

      Having a monopolist sue for unfair competition? Who is the monopolist?

    2. Re:Artificial scarcity by corbettw · · Score: 0

      Why in gods' names would any telco waste money suing someone that's providing service in an area they aren't? Do you even think before you post, or is it all just knee-jerk reaction for you?

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    3. Re:Artificial scarcity by compro01 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd love to know myself, as it has occurred at least twice. See here and here.

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    4. Re:Artificial scarcity by Ironchew · · Score: 1

      Do you even think before you post, or is it all just knee-jerk reaction for you?

      Nothing particular came to mind. As you mentioned a minute later:

      At least in America, there are no real monopolies to broadband, and this guy proves it. All you naysayers who complain about Comcast or other ISPs need to STFU and GTFO.

      You shouldn't brazenly accuse others of something you're obviously prone to.

    5. Re:Artificial scarcity by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 2

      Why, that's simple. Greed and control.
      Now the big question is......
      Do you even think (or research anything) before you post, or is it all just knee-jerk reaction for you?

    6. Re:Artificial scarcity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      By suing the guy they ensure that they will have no competition if they decide to work in the region in a distant future.

    7. Re:Artificial scarcity by Felix+Da+Rat · · Score: 1

      Have you ever bought anything from someone that produced it face to face? Because it really isn't about how 'expensive' it is, that's a given in the transaction - materials have cost. It's about the 'how much extra is this worth?'.

      This guy is looking to make a profit, no doubt, but doing so by providing a service where the big telecoms have said there is no profit to be made. I hope he does well, and I hope he makes his way to NoVA (Northern Virginia) 'cause I'll sign up just to support diversity - even if I keep on with my higher level service.

      What is profitable for a "Big Business" is gratuitous for most townships in the US of A. The margins most that business runs on at that level are so small that only the scale keeps them from falling apart. What do we get as the consumer? Cheap goods, crap support, but we get a great price from a locked in provider.

      Hell, I love my FiOS, but I'd ditch it in a heart beat if someone local could give me similar speed and no Verizon tech support. Or billing dept. run around... Unfortunately, the entry cost is too high in the metro areas, so small companies have to start in the cracks...

      tl;dr - Guy sees a market and is going for it where big business isn't. He must be evil.

    8. Re:Artificial scarcity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This has happened in a few area's in australia. Telstra wouldn't put in Wireless infrastructure as it was not profitable. People lobby for years to get something in their area. Local company spends a few hundred thousand to get infrastructure in place and people sign up. telstra realise it is profitable and then puts up their own towers in competition and prices below what the other guy is charging. they run for a loss till little guy is bankrupt and then jacks up the price.

    9. Re:Artificial scarcity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why is any regulatory capture legal?

      Because 'utility' companies have bribed municipal and federal government for protectionism(IE: preventing society from voluntarily trading with people in the same industry). They have bribed government to restrict our ability to voluntarily associate with each other. They have utility 'rights'.

      http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/rae9_2_3.pdf

    10. Re:Artificial scarcity by SCPRedMage · · Score: 1

      Did the telecoms that sued already provide some form of broadband access in those regions? Because the area TFA is talking about doesn't have any form of broadband AT ALL.

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    11. Re:Artificial scarcity by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Except they call it 'campaign contributions' and 'lobbying.' Polite and legal, but in effect just regulated bribery. It doesn't matter if it's a wad of cash under the table or a vague promise of a large donation to politicians that do as the company would like, the end result is the same: The law is made to the whims of the highest bidder.

    12. Re:Artificial scarcity by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Because,
      1. If the newcomer gets established in that area, they might expand and start competing in adjacent areas.
      and
      2. Just because the telco doesn't service that area now doesn't mean they won't in future, and they'd rather not have an incumbent with loyal customers already in place when that happens.

    13. Re:Artificial scarcity by badran · · Score: 1

      So that people in areas that do have service would not get the idea that it is cheaper to do it yourself.

    14. Re:Artificial scarcity by mcvos · · Score: 1

      How is this legal? The bribery, the protectionism, and most of all suing fair competition? Aren't there any anti-trust laws in the US? In the EU they'd probably get a multi-million dollar fine (10 years later, because the EU moves glacially, but at least it makes the point that it should be illegal).

    15. Re:Artificial scarcity by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      I can think of a couple of reasons

      1: If the new upstart is succesfull they (and/or copycats) may spread into areas where the incumbent telcos do offer broadband.
      2: Just because a telco doesn't offer broadband in an area doesn't mean they aren't offering service at all. In the absence of broadband there is presumably money to be made from dialup.

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    16. Re:Artificial scarcity by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

      It's all knee jerk far far right wing wackoness. Look at this little exchange I had with him a bit ago. The best part was when he shut up after realizing what an idiot he was.

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2030288&cid=35447450

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    17. Re:Artificial scarcity by jonwil · · Score: 1

      I think the difference here is that this is a private company/individual providing service, not a local government.

      So unlike the other cited cases where governments and local authorities want to build out networks, the telcos cant make claims like "taxpayers money shouldn't be used to build broadband"

    18. Re:Artificial scarcity by corbettw · · Score: 1

      That case has nothing to do with this one. It was a broadband provider suing a municipality to stop them from using taxpayers' money (including theirs, since the company paid taxes as did their employees) to build a competitor. So nice try, but it doesn't pass the smell test.

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    19. Re:Artificial scarcity by corbettw · · Score: 1

      No, I "shut up" when I realized you were more interested in partisan finger pointing than in solving any actual problems (you still haven't given any reason why it's so important to focus on who ran up the debt; both major parties ran it up, which anyone who pays attention to the government would know).

      And anyone who would call me "far far right wing" hasn't been paying attention to any of my posts.

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    20. Re:Artificial scarcity by corbettw · · Score: 1

      OK, genius, go find one instance where this has happened. I'll wait.

      The only record of a broadband provider suing a potential competitor was TDS suing a local city to prevent them from launching a competing service using tax dollars. Do I have to spell out for you why that situation is drastically different and not at all comparable?

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    21. Re:Artificial scarcity by operagost · · Score: 1

      "Far right wing" means "anyone who disagrees with me".

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    22. Re:Artificial scarcity by anyGould · · Score: 1

      Easy - it prevents them from moving into that market later. (Or more properly, from maximizing their margins when they do move in).

    23. Re:Artificial scarcity by sjwaste · · Score: 1

      Not to nitpick, but if you tell someone in Fauquier County that they're not in "NoVA" they get mad! I went to college in Harrisonburg, and even they self-identify with the Northern bit. So be careful. I'm a NJ native, so nobody likes me anyway.

      I don't know that I'd dump FiOS for a wireless ISP. I could do that now - there's a Clear tower like half a mile from my house. FiOS has been 100% reliable over the 2 years that I've had it here. Not an outage (literally, not one).

      I'm a Virginia-barred lawyer (although not practicing right now, working for "the man" instead). VA is very business-friendly, but I'd still have a hard time seeing a suit get off the ground against this guy. Then again, I'm pretty ignorant in regulatory/telecom.

    24. Re:Artificial scarcity by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      If they try such a thing, it should be thrown out on summary judgement, as Verizon and Comcast have already had an opportunity to serve those areas and chose not to. Therefore, they do not have standing.

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    25. Re:Artificial scarcity by corbettw · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. Of course, by his own standard, he's just realized what an idiot he is because he didn't respond to my response. So there you go.

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    26. Re:Artificial scarcity by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

      I'll give you another stab at the apple:

      I asked who ran up the debt. Please tell me how I said anything about it being 'the other guys fault', and or more seriously 'let us ignore it."

      Can you answer that in the context of that discussion?

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  3. I'll take the hit for this one... by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 5, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our red pickup driving, roof climbing overlords.

    -AI

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  4. Mesh by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    We were working on stuff like this using mesh wireless, which would have been a great option for those the big boys leave behind. It was possibly a bit early for its time, although a lot of competition was going for the line-of-sight option. Line-of-sight though isn't so good in many places. When we stopped making them we had a large number of smaller ISPs still interested, but the company was more interested in getting a big name telecom to purchase from us rather than a lot of tiny customers (always the snag, need to make money). What I'm finding interesting now is that in the intervening years it seems like mesh has taken off again.

    1. Re:Mesh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      LoS can be improved, signals are more stable in inclement conditions, people get more clever with punching the signal through a rainstorm (etc etc)

    2. Re:Mesh by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 1

      Wasn't the Mesh idea part of the OLPC since it would be primarily used in areas without infastructure? And I believe they use this in Tibet as well.

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  5. Been doing this since 2004 by pcjunky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Climb roofs and towers, run cables mount radios, answer tech support phone calls...done it all.

    Hard way to make a living, but very grateful customers. Two other WISPs in town could not make it.

    1. Re:Been doing this since 2004 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Used to do that for mom-n-pop WISP locally (in Texas). We covered 4 counties, and by my estimate, coverage was around 2400~ square miles. I was doing the job of 4 people after my coworker, the lead Engineer, got fired. Left 6 months after that when they didn't hire anyone new and attempted to use the pc support monkeys as substitutes.

      Still miss the outdoor work and customers. Rural Texas folk are great! They give you food and beverages (beer!!!) and are eager to learn about technology! Don't miss the owner of the WISP though.

    2. Re:Been doing this since 2004 by kbrannen · · Score: 1

      Yep, this is how I get internet: radio on the roof pointing to a water tower 3 miles away that has a DS3 at the bottom of it. I've had it well over 5 years and the company that provides this has a large overlap with Verizon. However, I suspect that most who use this tech are like me: FIOS is not available to my street (in a semi-rural area) and Verizon has no plans to make it so.

  6. there are no monopolies by corbettw · · Score: 0, Troll

    At least in America, there are no real monopolies to broadband, and this guy proves it. All you naysayers who complain about Comcast or other ISPs need to STFU and GTFO.

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    1. Re:there are no monopolies by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 2

      That's excessive, although on track.

      The sad, sad truth is that people would rather someone come and save them from "the corporations" rather than even attempt the sort of work the incumbent providers did to offer the service in the first place.

    2. Re:there are no monopolies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's right, everybody just shut up and start your own damned ISP!

      It strikes me that this guy can do so precisely because there is no competition. It might work in Fauquier County, VA. But drive a bit east to, say, Arlington and tell me how likely it is that someone there will start their own ISP?

    3. Re:there are no monopolies by xnpu · · Score: 2

      How does he proof there is no monopoly by running business in an area that's void of competition? If anything, he has unintentionally monopolized the local void.

    4. Re:there are no monopolies by jroysdon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The reason this works is the guy can charge a premium ($89 is not cheap for the speed of Internet he is offering, more like 3 times the cost if it was DSL or Cable of the same speed), but he can do it because they have no other option.

      His business model works because it is an affluent county without another choice (how many people do you know that will pay $300+ install fee?). It would not work in any market with DSL/cable with costs of $30/month and no install fee/contract (mind you many DSL will try to lock you in with a contract, but you can go without a contract in most cases if you pay $5/mo more, which is what you'll pay when the contract runs out anyway).

      I'm not saying what he is offering is bad. It's a great deal for those people with no other choice. But it's not a model the telco/cableco will follow, and it's hardly a good example in the case of the US's dualopoly ISP model.

      Even my local WISP, Fire2Wire won't post their prices, because they're not anywhere near competitive. The only reason anyone will get them is because they have no other option but dial-up. I believe they also charge $300+ install fees and prices comparable to BLAZE Wireless (WISP mentioned in the article). Further, WISP speeds are often just barely on par with low-end DSL/cable. Worse still, if your downstream neighbors are hogging the bandwidth, you're pretty much out of luck (QoS could help here, but effectively you're still sharing the "max" that you could get if they were idle).

      I know one business which hosts an antennae for the local WISP and they get free Internet. They only use it as a low-end backup, but instead pay for a carrier-grade ISP T1 for their production business needed. They'd never pay for the WISP, and it's only because of the free deal that they have them at all.

    5. Re:there are no monopolies by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 2

      Oh, I guess I'll just imagine that I have more than one option in my area, then.

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    6. Re:there are no monopolies by houghi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      won't post their prices, because they're not anywhere near competitive.

      I would say they ARE competitive.

      A guy walks into a store and asks what the price for potatoes is. 2,50EUR a kilo. "That is crazy, the store around the corner only ask 25 cents a kilo".
      + "Go buy there", says the store owner.
      - "They don't have anything left"
      + That's just crazy If I don't have anything left, my prices drop to 15 cents per kilo

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    7. Re:there are no monopolies by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Even my local WISP, Fire2Wire won't post their prices, because they're not anywhere near competitive. The only reason anyone will get them is because they have no other option but dial-up.

      Dial-up and satellite.
      Once you've been quoted the prices and speeds of a satellite connection, you'll appreciate what a terrestrial WISP can offer.

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    8. Re:there are no monopolies by corbettw · · Score: 1

      You do: the local provider, or following this guy's example and creating your own. There, two options, now get to work and quit your bitching.

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    9. Re:there are no monopolies by xSauronx · · Score: 1

      This. I did installs for a wisp for a while...we did $150 installs and $50 - 80 per month plans. That place barely made any money

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    10. Re:there are no monopolies by anyGould · · Score: 1

      The reason this works is the guy can charge a premium ($89 is not cheap for the speed of Internet he is offering, more like 3 times the cost if it was DSL or Cable of the same speed), but he can do it because they have no other option.

      I'd suspect there's two other forces at work driving that price up. One, he's likely getting gouged on his broadband costs (and thus has to pass them along to his customers). Two, the whole thing started as hobby work (which means he probably doesn't *want* to be too cheap.)

    11. Re:there are no monopolies by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Oh, I see. I'll just spend money that I don't have while using knowledge that I don't have to create my own ISP. Be right back.

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    12. Re:there are no monopolies by sorak · · Score: 1

      You do: the local provider, or following this guy's example and creating your own. There, two options, now get to work and quit your bitching.

      So, in what world does "quit your job, borrow a shitload of money and start your own ISP, just so you can get decent internet access" seem reasonable? I'm sure the company would collapse after he got hungry and quit that job so he could go build a McDonald's.

    13. Re:there are no monopolies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking retarded socialist always complain, but yeah, you are right.

  7. Expensive and old technology by moment22 · · Score: 2

    I am a board member of a newly started association that are going to build fiber-optic network in rural Sweden. All members own their real estate and will be members of the association who will own the network. The projected cost for 150 members are around €2500 per connection for building the network and €30 per month and connection for operation (100Mbit with triple-play). The fiber-optic cables will only pass thru real estate owned by the members. I own around 430 acres of forrest so there is a long way between each house/real estate/member. Our website www.sodrakindsfiber.se is only in swedish.

  8. How does one become an ISP? by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    Don't you have to have physical access to a router or something? Also: Google said it was going to roll out 1 GB/S out in select locations. But I haven't heard anything further. I've chosen my place of residence based on high speed internet before, I might move again if I can get in to 1 GB/S Internet. That could be good for writing next generation video game P2P protocols. I have a theory on how to make 1 million players at the same time Fighter like Tekken with 1 GB/S Internet. I have the game and the protocol written right now, but I don't have all the moves for every fighter done, and I have no artists to do modeling. You can play 10 players at the same time, just one fighter,sorta boring, but if I had the tech to see it realized, I may put in the extra 3 months to finish it.

    1. Re:How does one become an ISP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      One becomes an ISP by leasing a line and sharing it same way you share it in your house. It's a bit more complicated than that, but small ISPs are kinda like the smallest branches of a tree and you are the leaves. They need a trunk to support it.

    2. Re:How does one become an ISP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about 1K a month for 6Mb bonded t-1s from covad
      this is bandwidth you could easily oversell in a rural area at 30-50 to 1
      so providing 1Mb/sec wireless @ 50:1 ratio would be 300 customers
      price this at say $50.00 month less equipment and setup
      total take is 15K a month
      I would only throttle connections 'back' to 1Mb when the t-1s started to hit saturation, so most of the time it would not be rate limited
      Add additional t-1s as demand dictates. I would deliver the full 1Mb/sec to the heavy users, not play the att game

    3. Re:How does one become an ISP? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      How does one become an ISP?

      At the simplest level you buy a suitable internet connection (one that allows resale, large numbers of IPs etc) and then resell to customers over some kind of connection.

      Beyond this you get into multihoming and requesting your IP blocks directly from the RIR.

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  9. WhiteHouse.com by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 3, Funny

    FTFA:

    Fauquier might be 45 miles from the White House, but many residents can't look at WhiteHouse.gov in their homes.

    They mean Whitehouse.com, right?

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  10. Welcome to central Illinois about ten years ago by mr_mischief · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm glad to see this guy doing this, but it's not exactly unprecedented. It was done on grain silos, grain elevators, water towers, leased space on other people's towers, and even on flagpoles all over rural Illinois and Missouri a decade ago. I worked for some ISPs that did this and did some of the server consulting work for more than one startup doing this, too. I wasn't the one climbing to do the radio work.

    The startup cost for the customer is still pretty high for this sort of thing, usually around $200 to $275. Then it's typically $50 to $70 per month for around 400k to 600k down and 128k up or 256k or 512k symmetric, depending on which company and how far you are from their towers.

    Frontier is putting 6Mbps DSL in lots of former Verizon territory in towns as small as 3,000 or 4,000 people. Only the really rural places will need this sort of thing in Frontier's areas soon, and it's much more expensive even with radio equipment to get the people on 80 and 120 acre or even larger plots miles from towns covered. That is, much more expensive compared to using the same radio towers closer in. It's still much cheaper than running new cables to all those customers.

    It's not a perfect solution, but when weighed against dialup in the countryside or having to move closer in and change your lifestyle just for decent Internet access, a lot of people who don't prize low latencies and high throughputs as much as your typical Slashdotter will be happy to have it.

    1. Re:Welcome to central Illinois about ten years ago by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The startup cost for the customer is still pretty high for this sort of thing, usually around $200 to $275. Then it's typically $50 to $70 per month for around 400k to 600k down and 128k up or 256k or 512k symmetric, depending on which company and how far you are from their towers.

      Speaking as a relatively happy customer of a local WISP in Lake County, CA I seem to now get about 1.25Mbps peak for $75/mo. (they have recently bumped up what you get for your money a bit.) Of course at peak time I tend to get about half of that because it's a bit oversubscribed, but they're trying to hang on to existence so it's hard to get upset. It cost me something like $325 for the install, but of course I own the hardware, which is a Mikrotik Routerboard in a nice external enclosure with a PoE injector in my closet and one of those bent-BBQ-grill-with-a-dildo-on antennae on my roof.

      DSL is available at one end of my road, about three miles up. Last place I lived up on Cobb Mountain was even worse, not only could I not get LoS to get access from this WISP but my road was a lower fork of a road from which I could throw a rock at the upper fork... which had cable, but my road didn't. And all my neighbors were assholes, tweakers, or asshole tweakers, so sharing was right out.

      Naturally 3G doesn't exist here, either (at least, there's no coverage at my home.) I'd be lost without my local WISP.

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    2. Re:Welcome to central Illinois about ten years ago by pseudonomous · · Score: 1

      According to the article, blaze customers can get "up to 10mbs" of bandwidth, though they don't specifiy if that's up/down or split symmetrically. This probably reflects an improvement in the technology over the past decade. As long as the latency isn't horrible, this sounds quite competitive vs. aDSL, although aDSL is also much, much cheaper (at least in areas with a reasonably dense population). Of course, the whole point is that there's really no other option besides dial-up.

    3. Re:Welcome to central Illinois about ten years ago by guruevi · · Score: 1

      I used to live in an area like that and for those prices, WHERE DO I SIGN UP. I live in a city now, the startup cost are ~$200, the monthly cost is ~$75-120 and I get about 10M/512k which I can use 3M/128k sustained. I used to live in an apartment complex in this area that became an ISP by hiring a trunk and they got 10M/5M sustained for $30/month and has recently upgraded to 20M. Any random independent WISP/LocalISP WILL give you way better service (usually the oversubscription will be around 50-150:1) and as soon as their trunk frequently goes to 90% or their customers' service degrades they WILL upgrade their lines. The cost to connect to the backbone and to lay out the cable or the radios is the big investment but afterwards you can upgrade easily from 10 to 1000Mbps on your backbone depending on your customers' need.

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    4. Re:Welcome to central Illinois about ten years ago by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      There were 6, 10, and even 20 Mbps radios ten years ago, but no home suer was paying for them. If you had a grain elevator or rock quarry out in the rolling country hills an needed a whole office online, it may be worth the cost. I he's getting those speeds to residential users now for anything less than hundreds of dollars a month, then more power to him and I'm thrilled for his customers. We actually cut costs quite a bit by using point-to-point 10 Mbps radios as short backhauls for the customers so we could run several towers from one PoP cabinet with all the lines coming into one demarc. With half a meg or so apiece, we could put 20 on a backhaul radio before even thinking of overselling. A few customers clsoe enough to the towers actually got as high as 800 Mbps, which at the time was a real bargain for that price.

      What I'd really love to see in areas like that (like where my parents live, 7 miles from a town that's only 18,000 people to begin with) is people putting ready-to-plug BATMAN boxes on rooftop antenna masts and routing around the countryside from city to city in coops and buying bandwidth as a combined pool at multiple urban points around the edges of their rural service areas. The tech is almost ready. Now we just need to form the movement. It may even push into the cities someday if enough people get behind it.

    5. Re:Welcome to central Illinois about ten years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you aren't aware of UBNT.COM's new Airmax product line. Dual polarity CPE for $99 USD, APs with dual-pol sector antennas for $250. 5GHz, 2GHz, and more expensive for 3.65GHz and 900MHz, and other freqs coming out.

    6. Re:Welcome to central Illinois about ten years ago by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I guess now I know what it's like to feel old.

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  11. Lookout, "big-wigs" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have been working technical support for Sony Playstation for several years, and I have actually had the pleasure of speaking to one of his clients for troubleshooting support. From the way he was portrayed in conversation, the big-wigs definitely have something to be afraid of: a caring person willing to help.

    1. Re:Lookout, "big-wigs" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      a caring person willing to help.

      "Caring and willing to help" doesn't generate the level of profit said big-wigs are after. They'll simply undercut him in a year or two with zero service. Let's see how loyal his customers will be then. They'll run as fast as they can to save 50c a month, while at the same time complaining how local businesses are dying and how horrible their new service is.

    2. Re:Lookout, "big-wigs" by operagost · · Score: 1

      I think you should try reading the statements of some of his customers in the article. 50 cent discount? Seriously? Some of them WERE with the the big satellite providers, and it simply didn't work.

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    3. Re:Lookout, "big-wigs" by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      No they will run to get what is probablly a much better connection at a much lower price. Sure the customer service may be better from a local wireless based provider but it's hard to beat fixed connections for reliable high performance service and since the telephone charges are already paying for the wiring the extra charge for DSL can be relatively low and still make decent money for the telco.

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  12. So you're saying... by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    'Paul Conlin, the proprietor of Blaze Broadband, is not a typical telecom executive. He drives a red pickup and climbs roofs. When customers call tech support, he is the one who answers.

    Yes, Virginians, there is a Santa Claus.

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  13. Did this up north by Teunis · · Score: 2

    Recently, sold to one of the bigger boys. It was ... too much work, really. (bunch of "entitled" folks in community made life difficult)

    Don't regret doing it. There was NO chance of anyone in that area getting connected without our work. But - glad to be free of it.

  14. How about Ad-Hoc? by Fri13 · · Score: 1

    Is it possible to build a own network in public places with Ad-Hoc what would start living like a Internet until all cells have turned connection off?

    What is my idea, is that someone sets WLAN connection ON and others can connect to it and start sharing the connection from own point.
    When there is enough users, you end up to situation where you have own dynamic network where every point is just growing the Ad-Hoc network.
    And every user could set up a own service (hub like on Diaspora) where to attach information.
    The basic idea is that there would be a global CHAT channel for everyone (using IRC) where everyone could be.

    And when the government, ISP or the nature turns off the Internet, citizens can build own wireless network and share information, discuss and offer even own basic services.

    The services could not be any typical HTTP/FTP servers but very simple small ones. Size of the twitter. Send just photos, videos and share map (OpenStreetMap). So no ZIP files, no EXE files, no documents and other. (yes, you could write a virus for JPG, MPEG and many other data files).
    It would be a massive network on areas where are lots of people. Almost every smartphone sold now has a WLAN connection possibilities. It is true mobile a network coverage extender. Laptops and desktop computers acting more like a permanent nodes.

    As it just sounds so stupid that even today, we can not easily build up a own network to share data on smaller areas (like 1x1km area where is 7-10 house and WLAN can connect every house) without going trough internet or other permanent connection. Think about where small town could build own network without routing trough Internet or placing permanent WLAN networking. How about schools where kids could make own network and pass the whole school network to share data?

    As far I know currently it is impossible to connect and share (bounce) a WLAN connection on cellphones and even setups what could be technically possible, are just too hard to do for normal users. As it should be just to be so easy, user scans networks and see the number of nodes on it and connects to wanted and can already find data.

    1. Re:How about Ad-Hoc? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe because starting any idea on parasiting on other's expenses isnt the best thing to do?

  15. Surprise, free market better than government by bradley13 · · Score: 2

    "We are going to have to solve this problem creatively ourselves. "...fearful the county won't qualify for broadband infrastructure grants...[officials] are pushing to expand homegrown services such as Conlin's."

    That's what the free market is all about. Entrepreneurs will provide solutions far cheaper than the government ever could, and create jobs in the process. How about we just eliminate all of those broadband infrastructure grants, and let people like this build their businesses?

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    1. Re:Surprise, free market better than government by tarogue · · Score: 1

      It's not cheaper and it created exactly 1 (one) job. Gov't could have put in cable lines and had FIOS put in creating a lot more than one job, at a much higher speed, for a much lower cost. Yes, taxes would go up, but so would quality of life; and you wouldn't have to rely on just one guy and his truck if something went wrong. What this guy has done is a short-term solution to a long term problem.

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    2. Re:Surprise, free market better than government by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Cheaper than what? Did you read the article? WISPs aren't a panacea, $300 installation per customer and $80 a month for broadband speeds and latencies you'd find a decade ago. And it created maybe two jobs for the county. Having tried something like this on a small scale, it's not a solution that easily attracts investment, and having seen other WISPS operate, it often does not attract much entrepreneurial interest either, it becomes more about helping the community than earning money because the money really isn't there for the debt and stress that the operation causes.

      I'd be curious what it really cost South Korea to roll out nationwide fiber, and what it gained them.

    3. Re:Surprise, free market better than government by Sleepy · · Score: 2

      You are not being pragmatic. You are looking at this issue through the "filter" of partisan dogma, and then describing the problem and solution so it creates the fewest conflicts with your filter.

      Libertarian principles -only- work if you can get everyone else to play along.

      For example, Virginia could be competitive with rural South Korea and rural Japan without government support... IF you could convince rural South Korea and rural Japan to not ask their government to wire them up at high speed. In effect, they would be asking to get crappy rural Virginia bandwidth. Why would they ever do that?

      In the US, it now looks like we will not be able to successfully lobby our government to maintain network neutrality. As a result, our Internet is now going to start moving backwards as ISPs move from common carriers to actual owners of the Internet itself. If you are building the next great Internet media project, good luck attracting fiscal and brainpower capital if your idea at all steps on the toes of Comcast-NBC (as Skype, Netflix, and Google did).

    4. Re:Surprise, free market better than government by operagost · · Score: 1

      $300 installation per customer and $80 a month for broadband speeds and latencies you'd find a decade ago.

      He's offering 10 Mbps. While that was available "a decade ago", sadly it's still quite fast in most of the USA. It's faster than my DSL service, although my DSL includes voice and is cheaper.

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    5. Re:Surprise, free market better than government by operagost · · Score: 1

      For example, Virginia could be competitive with rural South Korea and rural Japan without government support... IF you could convince rural South Korea and rural Japan to not ask their government to wire them up at high speed. In effect, they would be asking to get crappy rural Virginia bandwidth. Why would they ever do that?

      Only if they don't believe in taxing others to fund their broadband. Libertarianism is not a failed ideology just because others are socialist.

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    6. Re:Surprise, free market better than government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is going to be long, but all these comments asked for it. :)

      For the past five years nearly 300 WISPs have met in Salt Lake City to discuss industry trends, network and RF technologies, and general business topics. They also talk about their customers, their competition, their war stories, and ultimately how to get the Federal Government to realize the term "wireless" doesn't just mean cellular.

      WISPs can provide equal or better service than their incumbent counterparts. Many operators run hybrid wireless/wireline networks, and the range of bandwidth offered runs from 1Mbps to 1Gbps. Quite a few wireline companies use wireless to handle one-off situations (off-grid customers, remote laboratories, and mountain-top installations). While fiber is the best, the capabilities of copper and wireless compete pretty closely in the rural markets.

      Wireless infrastructure is cheaper to build than wireline, hands down. For illustrative purposes, a typical wireless install ranges from $300-$1000 depending on the equipment used and who's buying (low-end residential service with a Linksys router or a business with Cisco 800-series router and multi-line ATA for phone service). Fiber installs cost anywhere from $2000 to $20K, depending on how far away the customer is from the existing fiber, how much new fiber has to be run, trenching or pole lashing costs, splicing costs, CPE terminal (which itself *starts* at $500), and so on. A wireless POP can be built for less than $10K and provide service to over 100 customers, depending on your oversubscription ratio. Don't ask how much a fiber head end costs (just one piece of the equipment necessary would be more than $10K).

      As for a business case, a privately held WISP has fewer ROW or easement issues, no government regulation of where and how you spend your money (which is both good and bad for regulated telephone companies), and in most areas there are plenty of customers you can satisfy with ~5Mbps (most of those do not post to Slashdot).

      Those clamoring that the government (or government subsidized projects) can do better need to look at the ratio of *successful* municipal projects or joint ventures compared to purely private undertakings. Governments are great at raising money (often to our disdain). Unfortunately, the administration of many of these projects fails, or the private party bails due to all the headaches involved. Generally speaking, an entrepreneur who bootstraps this from his own wallet is going to be much more project- and budget-conscious than (a typically politically-minded) someone who's been hired to manage government (i.e. taxpayer) funds.

      There are many privately-held or cooperative small telcos and ISPs that do not act all high-and-mighty like the big boys do. They fund and manage their own wireless, copper, and/or fiber projects all over the place. Nobody hears about them because there's no drama behind the story--no big bad villain that's taking everybody's money. Instead you find pockets of extremely happy customers who are either tired of the big boys or, as in Conlin's case, have no other option but satellite.

      Canopy is solid proprietary gear, not based on 802.11, and in many ways much more reliable (802.11 fans might disagree, so be it). But that comes at a cost. From what I've seen Conlin's prices are on par with other small, rural WISPs who have slightly higher costs due to their size or distance from cost-effective bandwidth. (The more greedy telcos often get away with extremely high loop costs because of the high bandwidth and long distance they travel.) There are plenty of wireless providers who compete head to head with the RBOC's and cable companies in metropolitan areas, and offer bandwidth and latencies similar to or better than most DSL and cable systems. Their pricing is the same or better than the larger companies. Customers go with them because of the (often) more personal touch of the service itself.

      As for speeds, Motorola has new products that offer 40Mbps a

    7. Re:Surprise, free market better than government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Libertarianism is not a failed ideology just because others are socialist.

      Libertarianism is a failed ideology (compared only on its own terms!) if it promises private companies will provide, yet private companies do not actually provide. That's a fundamental promise of the libertarians: that everything will still work, but we'll be magically "more free" or pay less taxes or something. (Usually there are a few self-identified libertarians going even beyond that to insist that things would be even better than now.)

      Libertarianism is a failed ideology compared to other -isms if it cannot keep pace with the achievements of the others. In this context, "success" is in the more general sense, not in whatever specific sense a particular -ism defines it. (For example, if an -ism promises you freedom, and it delivers that freedom, but also everyone starves to death, it is a failure.) Falling behind in something more abstract like high speed internet isn't serious enough to signify failure by itself, but lacking an emerging form of increasingly beneficial infrastructure is certainly a strong indicator of future failure.

    8. Re:Surprise, free market better than government by Sleepy · · Score: 1

      Oh, great. And at the end of the day the moral high ground is unsustainable because your country loses it's economic footing.

      Ideology is just an excuse for lack of critical thinking on a per-issue basis.

  16. Too bad they can't do Broadband over Power Lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Talk about an unbelievable chicken and egg problem, it seems this steps on a lot of toes!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication#Broadband_over_power_line_.28BPL.29

    fir the while article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication

  17. Finland ? by SomethingOrOther · · Score: 1

    "I am a board member of a newly started association that are going to build fiber-optic network in rural Sweden."

    That is interesting.
    I seam to recall that Finland (with a similar low rural population density) was committed to providing broadband for all it's citizens. Has Sweden done the same and/or do you get any other support from the Swedish government?

    I would suggest broadband is as important for economic growth as a functioning road/rail network. I'm surprised so few governments are putting up public money where appropriate.

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    1. Re:Finland ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, although at start of 2000s ADSL/Cable modem deployment was fast, nowadays we're lagging behind other European countries. Fiber-to-the-home is still a far dream even in cities. Finland has essentially two major players in telecoms provider field and they're dismantling last-mile copper cables, substituting wireless connections (not WiFi, but 3G connectivity) which might work on good weather in rural areas. Heck, they've even suggested decommissioning already-built fiber cables built to remote areas such as Finnish archipelago citing high support costs.

      Yes, we might be committed to broadband, but the level is set so low (1 Mbit/s), without any delay targets or availability-per-month targets that it's more of a joke.

      And oh, they did open the 450 MHz frequency (previously used by NMT analog mobile phone), dubbed @450 technology (http://www.datame.fi/index.php?17). The network is run by Digita Oy (which own, runs and maintains terrestrial digital TV network in Finland and the @450 network). Digita was sold by Finnish government in phases during 2000-2005 to a France Telecom subsidiary, now major stakeholder is Texas Pacific Group. Guess how widely-used @450 is now....

    2. Re:Finland ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would guess the big difference in this is that Finland is much smaller in scale. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_E11_m
      Since the total area of Finland is according to this comparable to a single US state, and the population is mostly smaller than that of a US state, the task might be somewhat smaller for us to overcome.

      And most people live in "cities" here anyway so actual rural areas in the traditional sense are pretty much history here. That is, in those areas, there's really no one living anymore. And you can get decent 3G in some of these areas too.

      Still, the fiber-for-all dream is just a dream.

      But there aren't many places here that you CAN'T get any internet access to.

  18. Provide very affordable broadband.... by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

    Comcast, Verizon, ATT... all could provide very affordable broadband to small remote communities and individual homes/farms, but as I said C*Os, politicians, and clerics are typically Luddites for profits/perks.

    Wave-making technology, economics, social change/innovation is against their personal ethics of greed/avarice...hubris.

    Is it 802.16 that might work for US re-motes?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.16
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deployed_WiMAX_networks
    http://www.wimaxforum.org/technology/downloads/WiMAXNLOSgeneral-versionaug04.pdf

    Antenna Towers
    http://www.cellularmaps.com/3g_compare.shtml

    Telecommunications Multi-Function Platform
    http://www.worldskycat.com/markets/skycom.html

    When industry/C*Os fails to work, act responsibly, and/or blocks innovation, then governance must demand and do for US!

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    1. Re:Provide very affordable broadband.... by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      The "perfect last mile technology" is in the same boat as Fusion energy. Every few years something "groundbreaking" comes along (first it was private packet radio, then 802.11, power-line data, wireless mesh, wimax/4g, blah blah blah on and on and on. Yet all we see are incremental steps (not nearly enough to keep pace with data demand) and so the cost goes up (as it should.) What a shock, no miracle has happened to grant us all unlimited bandwidth for no upfront or over-time cost. I am so surprised it hurts.

      Are you really saying that it's a conspiracy that this "perfect last mile technology" isn't getting traction? Yeah, where have I heard that one before.

    2. Re:Provide very affordable broadband.... by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

      I have worked telecommunications for ~30 years. Yes, last-mile technology is available. No, there is not a conspiracy.

      I am saying individual incompetence, greed/avarice... a/o hubris of C*Os, politicians, and clerics are the problem. No conspiracy, Yes individual hubris and greed, well they could just be stupid regurgitators of dogma for the elitist/plutocrats.

      Example: "To Big too fail" is still part of US, EU... economics, which will allow another major economic failure within a decade. I suspect, the BigFail will be due to the many SmallFail, it is never C*Os, politicians, and clerics fault/plan. THANK-GODDDD for exploitable tax-payers.

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  19. I've been in an underserved area by Michael+Meissner · · Score: 3, Informative

    I live on a pond with 6 houses on the side of the pond I live on. Because there were so few houses, it was never economical to improve service. We never had cable. When I was a work at home programmer, we originally went with ISDN, and later T-1. Being a regulated service, the phone company has to provide it to anywhere they string wires, but it is not cheap. I recall it was an $1,800 installation cost just to prep the wires. After I parted company with Red Hat, we paid for it on our own ($400/month), but when the T-1 provider jumped the price to $700/month, we finally bailed. Fortunately, when we dropped the T-1, the lake had gotten a cell phone tower (that in fact helps pay for some of the lake improvements), and we were able to switch to cell phone networking for casual use. I did have to watch the bandwidth carefully, and not update my photo album from home in order to stay under the 5g limit Sprint charged. About 6 months after we switched to cell phone networking, one of the two towns that the lake straddles was getting Verizon FIOS, and fortunately that town government required the phone company to make FIOS to every house in town, even the houses on the ponds where access was more difficult. So all of us got FIOS. It would be nice the other town (the one I live in) would sign the paperwork so that I can get TV over FIOS to allow me to turn off my DISH TV satellite service.

  20. WhiteHouse.com is not a porn site any more by alispguru · · Score: 1

    Pity ... it was such a good joke for a long time.

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    1. Re:WhiteHouse.com is not a porn site any more by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know it was outdated, but it's still funny if you proxy all your browsing through the internet archive.

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  21. Blaze is a valuable service for Fauquier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blaze is not in business to compete with existing providers. I contacted them because I was fed up with Comcast and they were up front and explained that they could provide me service but at a higher cost and more than likely lower speed then I get with Comcast. They are just trying to extend a service to the minority of folks in this area that Comcast and Verizon have deemed not profitable enough to serve.

  22. Our company president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... lived out there. Her solution was satellite internet. I am not sure if it was more or less expensive than this would be. Also she depended on the IT staff to keep her system running and quite a bit of effort was required to keep it going. I don't work there any more so I have no recent details.

    1. Re:Our company president... by Michael+Meissner · · Score: 1

      Satellite networking has extreme bandwidth caps (worse than cell phone 5 gig plans if memory serves). Because everything has to go up to the bird and back, latency is real high. You also have to have a clear view of the satellite, which can be problematical in some areas, such as if a neighbour's trees block your view.

    2. Re:Our company president... by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Satellite has data caps and overage charges that make Bell look generous (e.g. 500MB/day, 20GB/month). You're also looking at 1000ms+ latency.

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    3. Re:Our company president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The top tier WildBlue "Pro" package has a FAP with rolling 30-day limits of 17GB up, 5GB down with 1.5Mbps down and 256kbps up. When the subscriber hits 80% of the limit, he receives warnings and if it persists, is rate-limited to something like 56k. He can access a website to see the current bandwidth usage total but cannot drill down to per-day statistics so it's always a surprise when he receives the FAP notice. The total can vary wildly. He'll be at 60% one day and the next day it's 85%. It just depends on the per-day bandwidth distribution over the last 30-days.

      You can't upgrade WildBlue beyond the ProPack. You can't buy two service accounts on one dish. You CAN buy two dishes and two accounts with a 24-month contract, but who wants to do that?

      Hughes will at least sell you more if you're willing to pay for it. I hear they also have quota-free periods late at night.

      Testing WildBlue latency via ping, maybe 2-5% of the replies will come back in around 800ms. The rest range from 1400-3500ms, if they aren't lost.

  23. Sounds Similar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've got a guy doing much the same in our area (SE Michigan). I think he's got 4 sites now, one of them on a water tower. Basic service is ~$30.00 a month, I know of one small business using it, while there are occasional signal issues (they are in a hilly wooded area) the rest of the time of flies. I wish the FCC would free up a few of the decent frequencies for not licensed communications usage, if people could set up a simple, ad hoc communications relay on top of their house, barn, silo, or tower rural wireless broadband would get a big boost. While you would still need an ISP the real problem is the "last mile" gap, if all an ISP had to do to get a couple dozen more customers was put a couple hundred dollar relay on their roof and plug a Ethernet cable from it into their network I imagine they'd do it in a heartbeat. There might be a few isolated issues real world (long daisy chain of users, one close to the ISP takes down their relay, everyone down the chain looses connection), but nothing the market couldn't solve (ISP/Users rent a site to put up their own relay to reconnect the chain)

  24. Fauquier Resident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in Fauquier county but we are "fortunate" enough to have a fast (most of the time) Comcast cable internet connection. However, a couple of days ago I received an email fowarded from a neighbor from a guy who lives across the street from our development. The development I live in is about 40 houses on larger properties. Across the street are mostly farms. The guy living across the street did not have a wired internet connection and emailed us asking what we have here. He had thought that Verizon was installing FiOS nearby (they're not) as his wireless signal is weak and he wanted something more reliable. In the end, he is considering Blaze Broadband since Comcast will charge outrageous fees to bring the line to his house.

    Fauquier county in general is a very "self reliant" community. A lot of people that live here are in the local foods movement and are all about neighbors helping neighbors. My wife and I recently bought a quarter cow of beef from a local farm, we have our own vegetable garden, I brew my own beer and one of the state's top wineries is in walking distance. The mayor of Warrenton is also pushing an initiative to create electricity from the county landfill. If someone can't get a service from one of the giant service corporations, someone here will pick up the slack, as shown in the WaPo article.

  25. Ah High school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in high school in our computer class we were doing some internet search exercises and the teacher accidentally slipped up and told us to go to whitehouse.com (ah, the days before internet filters). The outbreak of snickers caused her to realize her mistake and promptly started loudly saying "Whitehouse.gov, Whitehouse.gov!!!!". It was too late though and over half of the students eyes were sullied with what I believe was the sight of Mr/Mrs Clinton lookalikes dressed in Bondage leather & chains.

  26. But there IS revenue! by mcrbids · · Score: 1

    There's a local WISP called Digital Path that has gone the wireless route. Just like the guy in the article, they bounce WiFi around the hills with directional antennae and itty-bitty homebrew routers that run some micro-version of Linux on embedded-scale "servers" running on CF drives.

    Their focus is on outlying areas... Just East of the California Central Valley is the Sierra Nevada mountains and there are LOTS of customers that really appreciate having a few Mbits connection beamed in at a few hundred bucks/month.

    They seem to be doing pretty well for themselves.

    --
    I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
  27. Meh, Canopy by synaptic · · Score: 1

    The Canopy equipment is pricy. Why use it when you can get Ubiquiti NanoStations for $40-$80? Isn't Canopy 10x that price?

  28. Darknet Map by synaptic · · Score: 1

    If you are interested in building a distributed mesh, please visit this site and add your location to the map.

    http://darknetmap.zone42.ca/

    From the site:

    Recent events related to net neutrality and censorship have us realizing that the internet is not as resistant to political attack as we had imagined. With the flick of a finger governments can seize domain names without oversight, with concealed effort Internet Service Providers are undermining the neutrality of the Internet.

    We are building a mesh network that will do away with censorship, ISP conflicts-of-interest, and 'last mile' duopolies. Affordable technology to do so already exists, but the main hurdle is finding nearby individuals interested in participating.

    This map solves this issue. Place a marker on the map to indicate your approximate location (for privacy reasons.) The areas will be attached to an e-mail address so that others nearby will be able to communicate with you (through an anonymous form — your address will remain secrets.)

    The goal is not to build a wide-area mesh network overnight, but rather get nearby geeks to experiment with mesh technologies, in the hopes that more will join later.

  29. Free the Net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even with the latest round of Recovery funding providing tens of millions of dollars for infrastructure upgrades, many people in my community will still not be able to acquire high-speed Internet access without erecting towers and pulling 10+ mile links. This idea that every rural person can connect to a single wireless AP on some remote mountain top is flawed. While everyone has LOS looking UP, there still aren't any practical aerostats and satellites are too far away (latency is atrocious) and a bottleneck.

    What I would like to see is a community, last-mile mesh network. Anyone who wants to connect CAN, for FREE, and every new node extends the network. This provides a foundation to transport traffic to ISPs who can provide gateways to the wider Internet. But traffic destined for your neighbor, or your relative a couple miles away doesn't need to flow through any kind of centralized network or ISP; it flows a few hops over the mesh and is delivered! Currently, if you use one ISP and your neighbor uses another, that traffic is flowing through your ISP, through some peering arrangement between the ISPs, and back down to your neighbor. Talk about inefficient! What a waste.

    Let's free the Internet. Let's reduce the load on ISPs. We can eliminate central planning and central snooping and gain higher-speed connectivity to the people in our region. This is the unfulfilled promise of ubiquitous networking. We need mobile ad-hoc networking and we need it now.

  30. Pronunciation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that pronounced "faux-queer"?

    1. Re:Pronunciation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Faux-keer.

  31. This model is repeated across the country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paul is just one of an estimated 2500-3000 WISPs who offer service across the United States. Many have been meeting the needs of rural areas and suburban areas that the ILECs and Cable Companies have ignored. A map of WISPA Members can be viewed at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170. These networks vary in size from small local communities to networks that cover parts of multiple states. If you are in an area that cannot get broadband today, locate a WISP on the map in your vicinity and ask if they cover your area or can build into your area fairly soon.

    As with any other business, a strong business case makes these decisions much easier for the business owner. Aggregating a housing addition and offering to pay $100 more on the installation for 20 homes would often tip the scales with the provider on whether he invests in that community or another one down the road or across the county. If everyone pitches in a little, a lot can be accomplished.

    The technology of Fixed Wireless Equipment has improved dramatically over the last ten years and the price of equipment continues to decrease. One of the largest obstacles a WISP has is the lack of spectrum to operate in. There are laws on the books the prevent the FCC from allocating spectrum without going through an auction process or declaring it unlicensed. This prevents most WISPs from purchasing spectrum as the large players will pay enormous prices for it and then let it lay fallow or build out very slowly. It is a great misuse of our nations spectrum assets.

    It always burns me when I see the highly subsidized telephone companies use these taxpayer funded subsidies to buy spectrum to prevent competition. It happens all the time. Its time for a change. Three cheers for the WISP entrepreneurs that spend their own capital and energy to provide Broadband to their communities while the subsidized megacorps wine and dine the politicians on taxpayer funds.