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In Virginia, Delivering Broadband To the Customers Big Telecom Forgot
cheezitmike writes "A Washington Post story tells how former automotive engineer Paul Conlin just wanted to get broadband at his rural home in Fauquier County, Virginia, and ended up forming his own wireless ISP: 'Paul Conlin, the proprietor of Blaze Broadband, is not a typical telecom executive. He drives a red pickup and climbs roofs. When customers call tech support, he is the one who answers. Conlin delivers broadband to Fauquier County homes bypassed by Comcast and Verizon, bouncing wireless signals from antennas on barns, silos, water towers and cellphone poles.'"
Sued by Comcast and Verizon for "unfair competition" in 3, 2, 1...
He'll figure out just how "expensive" broadband is when the telecoms tie him up in court. That is, if this ISP is large enough to affect the bigwigs.
I, for one, welcome our red pickup driving, roof climbing overlords.
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We were working on stuff like this using mesh wireless, which would have been a great option for those the big boys leave behind. It was possibly a bit early for its time, although a lot of competition was going for the line-of-sight option. Line-of-sight though isn't so good in many places. When we stopped making them we had a large number of smaller ISPs still interested, but the company was more interested in getting a big name telecom to purchase from us rather than a lot of tiny customers (always the snag, need to make money). What I'm finding interesting now is that in the intervening years it seems like mesh has taken off again.
Climb roofs and towers, run cables mount radios, answer tech support phone calls...done it all.
Hard way to make a living, but very grateful customers. Two other WISPs in town could not make it.
I am a board member of a newly started association that are going to build fiber-optic network in rural Sweden. All members own their real estate and will be members of the association who will own the network. The projected cost for 150 members are around €2500 per connection for building the network and €30 per month and connection for operation (100Mbit with triple-play). The fiber-optic cables will only pass thru real estate owned by the members. I own around 430 acres of forrest so there is a long way between each house/real estate/member. Our website www.sodrakindsfiber.se is only in swedish.
That's excessive, although on track.
The sad, sad truth is that people would rather someone come and save them from "the corporations" rather than even attempt the sort of work the incumbent providers did to offer the service in the first place.
That's right, everybody just shut up and start your own damned ISP!
It strikes me that this guy can do so precisely because there is no competition. It might work in Fauquier County, VA. But drive a bit east to, say, Arlington and tell me how likely it is that someone there will start their own ISP?
How does he proof there is no monopoly by running business in an area that's void of competition? If anything, he has unintentionally monopolized the local void.
Don't you have to have physical access to a router or something? Also: Google said it was going to roll out 1 GB/S out in select locations. But I haven't heard anything further. I've chosen my place of residence based on high speed internet before, I might move again if I can get in to 1 GB/S Internet. That could be good for writing next generation video game P2P protocols. I have a theory on how to make 1 million players at the same time Fighter like Tekken with 1 GB/S Internet. I have the game and the protocol written right now, but I don't have all the moves for every fighter done, and I have no artists to do modeling. You can play 10 players at the same time, just one fighter,sorta boring, but if I had the tech to see it realized, I may put in the extra 3 months to finish it.
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FTFA:
Fauquier might be 45 miles from the White House, but many residents can't look at WhiteHouse.gov in their homes.
They mean Whitehouse.com, right?
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
The reason this works is the guy can charge a premium ($89 is not cheap for the speed of Internet he is offering, more like 3 times the cost if it was DSL or Cable of the same speed), but he can do it because they have no other option.
His business model works because it is an affluent county without another choice (how many people do you know that will pay $300+ install fee?). It would not work in any market with DSL/cable with costs of $30/month and no install fee/contract (mind you many DSL will try to lock you in with a contract, but you can go without a contract in most cases if you pay $5/mo more, which is what you'll pay when the contract runs out anyway).
I'm not saying what he is offering is bad. It's a great deal for those people with no other choice. But it's not a model the telco/cableco will follow, and it's hardly a good example in the case of the US's dualopoly ISP model.
Even my local WISP, Fire2Wire won't post their prices, because they're not anywhere near competitive. The only reason anyone will get them is because they have no other option but dial-up. I believe they also charge $300+ install fees and prices comparable to BLAZE Wireless (WISP mentioned in the article). Further, WISP speeds are often just barely on par with low-end DSL/cable. Worse still, if your downstream neighbors are hogging the bandwidth, you're pretty much out of luck (QoS could help here, but effectively you're still sharing the "max" that you could get if they were idle).
I know one business which hosts an antennae for the local WISP and they get free Internet. They only use it as a low-end backup, but instead pay for a carrier-grade ISP T1 for their production business needed. They'd never pay for the WISP, and it's only because of the free deal that they have them at all.
I'm glad to see this guy doing this, but it's not exactly unprecedented. It was done on grain silos, grain elevators, water towers, leased space on other people's towers, and even on flagpoles all over rural Illinois and Missouri a decade ago. I worked for some ISPs that did this and did some of the server consulting work for more than one startup doing this, too. I wasn't the one climbing to do the radio work.
The startup cost for the customer is still pretty high for this sort of thing, usually around $200 to $275. Then it's typically $50 to $70 per month for around 400k to 600k down and 128k up or 256k or 512k symmetric, depending on which company and how far you are from their towers.
Frontier is putting 6Mbps DSL in lots of former Verizon territory in towns as small as 3,000 or 4,000 people. Only the really rural places will need this sort of thing in Frontier's areas soon, and it's much more expensive even with radio equipment to get the people on 80 and 120 acre or even larger plots miles from towns covered. That is, much more expensive compared to using the same radio towers closer in. It's still much cheaper than running new cables to all those customers.
It's not a perfect solution, but when weighed against dialup in the countryside or having to move closer in and change your lifestyle just for decent Internet access, a lot of people who don't prize low latencies and high throughputs as much as your typical Slashdotter will be happy to have it.
Oh, I guess I'll just imagine that I have more than one option in my area, then.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
I have been working technical support for Sony Playstation for several years, and I have actually had the pleasure of speaking to one of his clients for troubleshooting support. From the way he was portrayed in conversation, the big-wigs definitely have something to be afraid of: a caring person willing to help.
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Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
I would say they ARE competitive.
A guy walks into a store and asks what the price for potatoes is. 2,50EUR a kilo. "That is crazy, the store around the corner only ask 25 cents a kilo".
+ "Go buy there", says the store owner.
- "They don't have anything left"
+ That's just crazy If I don't have anything left, my prices drop to 15 cents per kilo
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Recently, sold to one of the bigger boys. It was ... too much work, really. (bunch of "entitled" folks in community made life difficult)
Don't regret doing it. There was NO chance of anyone in that area getting connected without our work. But - glad to be free of it.
Even my local WISP, Fire2Wire won't post their prices, because they're not anywhere near competitive. The only reason anyone will get them is because they have no other option but dial-up.
Dial-up and satellite.
Once you've been quoted the prices and speeds of a satellite connection, you'll appreciate what a terrestrial WISP can offer.
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Is it possible to build a own network in public places with Ad-Hoc what would start living like a Internet until all cells have turned connection off?
What is my idea, is that someone sets WLAN connection ON and others can connect to it and start sharing the connection from own point.
When there is enough users, you end up to situation where you have own dynamic network where every point is just growing the Ad-Hoc network.
And every user could set up a own service (hub like on Diaspora) where to attach information.
The basic idea is that there would be a global CHAT channel for everyone (using IRC) where everyone could be.
And when the government, ISP or the nature turns off the Internet, citizens can build own wireless network and share information, discuss and offer even own basic services.
The services could not be any typical HTTP/FTP servers but very simple small ones. Size of the twitter. Send just photos, videos and share map (OpenStreetMap). So no ZIP files, no EXE files, no documents and other. (yes, you could write a virus for JPG, MPEG and many other data files).
It would be a massive network on areas where are lots of people. Almost every smartphone sold now has a WLAN connection possibilities. It is true mobile a network coverage extender. Laptops and desktop computers acting more like a permanent nodes.
As it just sounds so stupid that even today, we can not easily build up a own network to share data on smaller areas (like 1x1km area where is 7-10 house and WLAN can connect every house) without going trough internet or other permanent connection. Think about where small town could build own network without routing trough Internet or placing permanent WLAN networking. How about schools where kids could make own network and pass the whole school network to share data?
As far I know currently it is impossible to connect and share (bounce) a WLAN connection on cellphones and even setups what could be technically possible, are just too hard to do for normal users. As it should be just to be so easy, user scans networks and see the number of nodes on it and connects to wanted and can already find data.
"We are going to have to solve this problem creatively ourselves. "...fearful the county won't qualify for broadband infrastructure grants...[officials] are pushing to expand homegrown services such as Conlin's."
That's what the free market is all about. Entrepreneurs will provide solutions far cheaper than the government ever could, and create jobs in the process. How about we just eliminate all of those broadband infrastructure grants, and let people like this build their businesses?
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
Talk about an unbelievable chicken and egg problem, it seems this steps on a lot of toes!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication#Broadband_over_power_line_.28BPL.29
fir the while article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication
"I am a board member of a newly started association that are going to build fiber-optic network in rural Sweden."
That is interesting.
I seam to recall that Finland (with a similar low rural population density) was committed to providing broadband for all it's citizens. Has Sweden done the same and/or do you get any other support from the Swedish government?
I would suggest broadband is as important for economic growth as a functioning road/rail network. I'm surprised so few governments are putting up public money where appropriate.
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Don't believe what you read is the truth.
Comcast, Verizon, ATT... all could provide very affordable broadband to small remote communities and individual homes/farms, but as I said C*Os, politicians, and clerics are typically Luddites for profits/perks.
Wave-making technology, economics, social change/innovation is against their personal ethics of greed/avarice...hubris.
Is it 802.16 that might work for US re-motes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.16
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deployed_WiMAX_networks
http://www.wimaxforum.org/technology/downloads/WiMAXNLOSgeneral-versionaug04.pdf
Antenna Towers
http://www.cellularmaps.com/3g_compare.shtml
Telecommunications Multi-Function Platform
http://www.worldskycat.com/markets/skycom.html
When industry/C*Os fails to work, act responsibly, and/or blocks innovation, then governance must demand and do for US!
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
I live on a pond with 6 houses on the side of the pond I live on. Because there were so few houses, it was never economical to improve service. We never had cable. When I was a work at home programmer, we originally went with ISDN, and later T-1. Being a regulated service, the phone company has to provide it to anywhere they string wires, but it is not cheap. I recall it was an $1,800 installation cost just to prep the wires. After I parted company with Red Hat, we paid for it on our own ($400/month), but when the T-1 provider jumped the price to $700/month, we finally bailed. Fortunately, when we dropped the T-1, the lake had gotten a cell phone tower (that in fact helps pay for some of the lake improvements), and we were able to switch to cell phone networking for casual use. I did have to watch the bandwidth carefully, and not update my photo album from home in order to stay under the 5g limit Sprint charged. About 6 months after we switched to cell phone networking, one of the two towns that the lake straddles was getting Verizon FIOS, and fortunately that town government required the phone company to make FIOS to every house in town, even the houses on the ponds where access was more difficult. So all of us got FIOS. It would be nice the other town (the one I live in) would sign the paperwork so that I can get TV over FIOS to allow me to turn off my DISH TV satellite service.
You do: the local provider, or following this guy's example and creating your own. There, two options, now get to work and quit your bitching.
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Pity ... it was such a good joke for a long time.
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This. I did installs for a wisp for a while...we did $150 installs and $50 - 80 per month plans. That place barely made any money
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The reason this works is the guy can charge a premium ($89 is not cheap for the speed of Internet he is offering, more like 3 times the cost if it was DSL or Cable of the same speed), but he can do it because they have no other option.
I'd suspect there's two other forces at work driving that price up. One, he's likely getting gouged on his broadband costs (and thus has to pass them along to his customers). Two, the whole thing started as hobby work (which means he probably doesn't *want* to be too cheap.)
Satellite networking has extreme bandwidth caps (worse than cell phone 5 gig plans if memory serves). Because everything has to go up to the bird and back, latency is real high. You also have to have a clear view of the satellite, which can be problematical in some areas, such as if a neighbour's trees block your view.
There's a local WISP called Digital Path that has gone the wireless route. Just like the guy in the article, they bounce WiFi around the hills with directional antennae and itty-bitty homebrew routers that run some micro-version of Linux on embedded-scale "servers" running on CF drives.
Their focus is on outlying areas... Just East of the California Central Valley is the Sierra Nevada mountains and there are LOTS of customers that really appreciate having a few Mbits connection beamed in at a few hundred bucks/month.
They seem to be doing pretty well for themselves.
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
Oh, I see. I'll just spend money that I don't have while using knowledge that I don't have to create my own ISP. Be right back.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
Satellite has data caps and overage charges that make Bell look generous (e.g. 500MB/day, 20GB/month). You're also looking at 1000ms+ latency.
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You do: the local provider, or following this guy's example and creating your own. There, two options, now get to work and quit your bitching.
So, in what world does "quit your job, borrow a shitload of money and start your own ISP, just so you can get decent internet access" seem reasonable? I'm sure the company would collapse after he got hungry and quit that job so he could go build a McDonald's.
The Canopy equipment is pricy. Why use it when you can get Ubiquiti NanoStations for $40-$80? Isn't Canopy 10x that price?
If you are interested in building a distributed mesh, please visit this site and add your location to the map.
http://darknetmap.zone42.ca/
From the site:
Recent events related to net neutrality and censorship have us realizing that the internet is not as resistant to political attack as we had imagined. With the flick of a finger governments can seize domain names without oversight, with concealed effort Internet Service Providers are undermining the neutrality of the Internet.
We are building a mesh network that will do away with censorship, ISP conflicts-of-interest, and 'last mile' duopolies. Affordable technology to do so already exists, but the main hurdle is finding nearby individuals interested in participating.
This map solves this issue. Place a marker on the map to indicate your approximate location (for privacy reasons.) The areas will be attached to an e-mail address so that others nearby will be able to communicate with you (through an anonymous form — your address will remain secrets.)
The goal is not to build a wide-area mesh network overnight, but rather get nearby geeks to experiment with mesh technologies, in the hopes that more will join later.