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Ubisoft Announces Music Game For Real Guitars
Despite recent troubles in the music game market, Ubisoft thinks the genre still has room for innovation. They have announced Rocksmith, a rhythm game designed for use with real electric guitars. The guitars will connect to a console or PC through the standard output jack.
"... the 'note highway' is actually a virtual guitar fretboard, complete with numbers which correspond to the different frets, and the 'target zone' consists of six horizontal strings. Wherever each note appears on the virtual fret board, that’s where your finger(s) go on the physical fretboard. Once the note reaches the target area you strum the string it comes into contact with. Simple. The camera zooms dynamically to highlight where on the fret board you should be looking at, in much the same way that a musician’s eyes would scan up and down the neck of the instrument during a performance."
You can already play with a real guitar using rock band 3. You can't use any guitar though, you have to buy the Fender Rock Band Pro Squier Strat. I have it and it is awesome.
Ubisoft's game is not the first announced game that lets you use any electric guitar. That honor goes to Guitar Rising, which was never released.
Use brain, plox. You do buy a real guitar.
The game is more or less a learning aide, as well as a tool for measuring your aptitude.
The Wii and the various dance games started this trend by making players move and exercise. Now Ubisoft wants to introduce formal music teaching and practise via a game. Well it seems that simple games are getting too shallow and the game industry is poaching time honored ways to waste time from other domains, which have proven to offer more or less unlimited levelling capacity.
I just can't wait to hear people talk about how easy it was to beat the Bon Jovi level but that they're stuck on that evil Habanera Flameco boss before they can get to the Mariachi level.
It is all the ultimate plan. Make games increasingly realistic by weening you off of the games and systems themselves.
A generation from now we'll be paying a $15 a month World of LIfecraft fee to be hooked up to the most realistic game ever. MPAA and RIAA will declare eyes and ears recording devices and seeing unlicensed events for free copyright theft.
Well I think its great when any game can impart a skill people could use in real life the existing and even the Rockband 3 "Real Guitar".
Arn't real guitars IMHO.
Its like the final step but lets hope that more than a couple of people get hooked and make some good music.
P.s. isn't this a bit like http://www.guitarrising.com/ Which seems like its going to be vapour-ware when it comes out.
I for one thinks this should of been first. I like this idea, turning guitar tab into a game. Would make learning the guitar more fun for some. I mean have you seen those people who ace guitar hero on expert....imagine if they learned to ACTUALLY play the songs using that level of dedication. I play guitar and have been for over 20 years, I support this idea and hope to see it come to fruition.
it's really frustrating trying to learn guitar. Following finger positions is almost impossible at first because as you face the person everything is backwards and your brain wants your hand to move left, for instance, when you see the other person move left.
what's more is trying to learn guitar with guitar-hero and the like is like trying to learn sex through masturbation. You are kind of doing it, but there is way more going on with the real thing.
i 'll be checking this one out when it hits the shops!
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I've played guitar for 30 years, and the following quote is disturbing to me:
"in much the same way that a musician’s eyes would scan up and down the neck of the instrument during a performance"
You're not really supposed to be looking at the frets while you're playing. Your fingers are supposed to know where to go without looking, much like when one learns to properly touch type. Looking at your fingers while you're playing is a bad habit that sadly a lot of new guitarists fall into. Yes, in the initial learning stages one needs to do so, but any good teacher will break that habit in their students as soon as possible.
That being said this might still be a useful learning aid for aspiring guitarists. I'm not interested.
If this game works out, these guys are going to be very sad pandas.
They've been active for a few years now, producing computer-aided practice/scoring software for a variety of instruments, and voice. The computer knows what sounds are supposed to be produced, takes MIC input, crunches it into a reasonably meaningful delta(or, rather, series of deltas over time, so that the instructor can see where the student is or isn't having difficulty with a given piece). It is heavily geared toward schools, with lots of "class management" and grading features; but the "cloud" portion of the operation appears to be run by amateurs, and the interface is... utilitarian.
If Ubisoft can do a slick, mass-market version(even if only for a single instrument, at present) they'll likely have something with a lot more polish and shiny bits, as well as an engine that could be adapted to other instruments if the market so demands. That will likely put nontrivial pressure on the SmartMusic guys...
Guitar Rising was first to announce a real guitar game back in 2008 but never released, presumably because of problems with the polyphonic pitch detection.
The first real guitar game released was LittleBigStar, back in 2009. LittleBigStar supported a wide range of instruments, including guitar and bass, and loaded mp3s and standard tablatures in different open formats. It had a good momentum and indie developers made different kinds of musicgames, which they called MusicWare, but it was closed down two years ago. By those measures RockSmith is hardly new...
The LittleBigStar team decided to go commercial, presumably because they had success cracking the polyphonic pitch detection nut. They released Offbeat guitarist which is freeware, support open formats and works great.
In 2009 Disney claimed to have found the holy grail of music gaming: Disney Star Guitarist but it was never released.
In 2010 Rise of the SixString was released with a guitar-controller hybrid.
Holiday 2010, Harmonix showed RockBand 3 pro-mode with the Squier Strat Controller. It went for sale in BestBuy stores in March 2011.
Holiday 2011, UbiSoft claim to have found the big new thing...
As someone who at least had 7 years of classical guitar lessons, even though never any super-great guitarist came out of it, I can only shake my head in dismay. Like with any other instrument, without a teacher who corrects your posture and technique you will become an absolutely horrible guitar player and the more you get used to bad technique the harder it will become to later correct it.
Of course, it's just a game... but the way they advertise it....as if t there weren't already enough lousy guitar players out there on the streets and beaches, pestering everyone with their tunes (and guitars out of tune).
I've thought about this a bit over the years.
I got a nintendo when i was 4 ('88) and a guitar at 8 (acoustic),
but it took until years later when i got my first electric guitar to realize the biggest problem
with this, delay and mis-judgement.
15 years or so since then, i'm still not a phenomenal player, but i know the mistake being made are due to
myself and/or my ears.
I could be wrong though, look at how those with nearly unlimited budgets have been solving the problem....
I'm in as long as the game will teach me how to play like these guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgrCKhxE1s
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I'm can only assume that with a name like Rocksmith the playlist is going to be generated by M$ Songsmith. Another fine example of a marketing fubar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E
You don't need a game to do this! It's called Real Life and it's a lot more fun.
They criticise plastic controllers, now they criticise real guitars. Where's the happy in-between?
Those opposed to the music game genre generally believe the lack of realism is holding it back. It doesn't take any sort of musical skill aside from a good sense of beat to push 5 coloured buttons. Yet the instant it requires a real instrument, and real playing ability, it's not about the controller at all - you're still playing a game which immediately destroys any sort of credibility the activity of playing an instrument may have associated with it.
How is this any different to playing along with a CD, the radio, or youtube? It's not. It's arguably better as it will provide feedback on your progress while giving you a genuinely entertaining way to learn (by experiencing true rock and roll culture) rather than the stale "these are chord charts; now play these scales" you get from your local guitar school/tutor. I also hope Ubisoft will include an advanced tutorial for improving your playing technique instead of simply repeating a section of the song until you can perform the require button mashing from muscle memory.
There is no knowledge that is not power.
...kids who make their parents buy them expensive electric guitars that are now gathering dust in their rooms because they lack the discipline to practice, and would rather play video games instead.
It's really a brilliant marketing ploy.
It's for the XBox and PS3 only. I game on the PC. I would buy this on opening day, but I don't have either. The war on PC games continues.
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From a "real" guitar player, I Find this quite interesting, and honestly, is what I was craving from music games. It's like Powertab with a score at the end. Too bad it's not the first, and the games never came to fruition like guitar tabs do. I can't go find a song, find someone else's interpretation of it, and learn to play it how the "real" guitar players do. I never got the chance to use a MIDI guitar, which is basically what this game converts your guitar into, I'd imagine. The possibilities with those are endless, I've seen and heard great stuff. At the very least, This technology should be exploitable to that end, I believe. Anyone know? It'd probably be a real simple MIDI controller, but it'd be enough for any savvy OSS user, with the plethora of free studio tools available.
And from there to Infinite Jest the road is quite short.
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Does Guitar Pro analyse what you're playing, and alert you when you miss a note?
If not (and as far as I can see, it doesn't), then it's nothing like this game.
Well, it's good to see this development finally comming. A lot of companies have been working on this for years, so I'll believe it when I can actually play it and it doesn't suck.
Of course, I was also playing with a real football long before the first Madden game was ever released.
At this point, why pay for guitar lessons when you could buy a game?
Although I disagree with TFA/TFS. "... much the same way that a musician's eyes would scan up and down the neck of the instrument during a performance."? A performance-quality guitarist probably doesn't look at the fretboard while playing.
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Leave it up to the hyper-analytical lot at slashdot to show complete ignorance about music. You can't quantify music. It is very subjective and playing an instrument is an art that cannot be measured by frequency analysis. A qualitative analysis (i.e. qualified judges) is the only way to determine how well an instrumentalist is playing.
Sadly, any music you play by learning this way will not be considered art.
This is why Rock Band 3 uses MIDI instead of pitch detection. I've been working on software that does pitch detection for instruments for the last 10 years. We've contracted out to the best companies and research groups in the industry. Thus far, the only thing we can honestly offer to customers is pitch detection for monophonic instruments - that's the only thing that works well enough to offer commercially.
Erm... MIDI is a transport protocol, not a means of input. Most actual MIDI guitars use pitch detection, and I would see this as the best interface for a game such as this one. Roland were the first to come up with a mass-market MIDI product, and they did it by making a retrofit kit of 6 individual inductive-coil pickups to be fitted near the bridge. The coils were too small and too near the bridge to get a useful sound for direct output, but it was good enough to get an individual fundamental frequency off each string.
The first digital modelling guitar, the Line6 Variax, used individual piezo transducers on the bridge saddles in order to produce a clean sound that would be musically useful, but everything was done using signal processing.
For an accurate guitar game, the best solution is still a Roland-like inductive pickup array. You could retrofit this to most guitars with nothing more than a strip of Blu-tak. Recreating the 1990's DSP tech that powered the old Rolands with 21st century electronics would cost peanuts. It would also open the road to a lucrative second income stream through the sale of branded guitars.
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The happy in-between is this:
http://www.misadigital.com/index.php?target=home&lang=en
Rock as you knew it is dead. ;)
Long live Rock!
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I've been training for this game for 30 years. I knew the reason I have 7 guitars and thousands of dollars of supporting gear was so that I can finally crush the video game skills of a 12 year old. At least for the first couple of months, after which they'll blow past me and I'll go back to playing my real guitars for fun.
"The camera zooms dynamically to highlight where on the fret board you should be looking at, in much the same way that a musician’s eyes would scan up and down the neck of the instrument during a performance."
Any second-year guitarist would have already learned various modes, chords, and scales and can play them WITHOUT needing to look at the fretboard at ALL.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
No but TuxGuitar, with plugins, can EASILY be made to do exactly what you propose.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
"The best polyphonic pitch detection in the world isn't anywhere near good enough to confidently say which notes we're playing."
WRONG WRONG WRONG!
Celemony Melodyne.
Been out for a year or so, now. I use it for editing polyphonic recordings, such as chord-heavy guitar. It works very well, and I can adjust individual notes to re-shape a chord or change it.
Pay attention to the music software industry.
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Actually, if you watch videos of guitar players performing, even world-class guitarists like Jimi Hendrix or Steve Vai often look at the fretboard. Not all do, but it's not uncommon.
I'd bet that's habit more than anything. Get 'em to do a duet with Stevie Wonder, and swap glasses at the beginning. They'll still play just as well. :)
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Could be good for the little ones :)
Anything that can't be picked up and enjoyed by everyone out of the box is doomed to failure. In this case because: 1) Barrier to entry too high, especially for people who already have a truckload of guitar hero/rock band stuff 2) Not comparable with existing rock band/guitar hero tracks that people own a metric ton of 3) The whiny bitches who complain about plastic guitars are the minority who are too stupid to understand that it's a game, not a life choice. This game will appeal to them, but probably not the vast majority of other people. Rock Band was successful because given half a chance, even people initially petrified of it found that they could do it too. Real guitar is too complex for those people and the chance that they will outright reject it is going to go way, way up.
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You're an idiot. The whole point of being a musician is playing music. Solo, group, whatever. It doesn't matter.
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The scrolling effect is a novel improvement, but the limits with the "note highway" are the same as they are for tab notation: it's a low level representation. It adds in an extra level of translation from cue to sound that will slow a person down. Sure, people who only master all levels of this kind of guitar training might be able to shred on tunes they've already learned, but they will be stuck trying to play along to something they've only just heard, or playing along with others live.
Positional notations train the brain to think of playing instruments in terms of "finger goes here, here, then here." That's can be good enough for starting out, but skilled musicians practice to the point that specific instrumental positions are mapped to tones. Once you reach this point, any tone you can hear or sing you can play. Reading music becomes a matter of seeing a shape and thinking of a noise, not a fingering.
Tablature has existed for a long time because sometimes it is a useful shortcut, but classical music notation is far more robust because it is a method for representing tones, not fingerings. Having to thinking about where to put your fingers to make the sounds you want will slow a person down. It's like the difference between translating your thoughts into a different language, and thinking in that language.
Musicians who are fluent readers are able to see notes and hear them in their head. When you see notes you hear the sound, like when you see words you hear them in your head. Tab and note highways are more like seeing words and knowing where to press on your keyboard to reproduce them, letter by letter.
A performance-quality guitarist probably doesn't look at the fretboard while playing.
This sounds more like a beginner's training aid rather than a test for performance-quality guitarists.
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It's arguably better as it will provide feedback on your progress while giving you a genuinely entertaining way to learn
For me that's the entire point.
Games are fun.
Positive feedback is good.
Sense of accomplishment is important.
Visible realisable progress is essential.
Turning it into a game means I'll be able to learn to play the guitar. ADHD means that without those elements I'll get bored and never learn it.
I want to play the guitar. I'll buy this game.
It's not that different from a skilled typist still looking at his hands once in a while. Besides the force of habit and natural tendency to look at your hands while working, it sometimes helps improve accuracy. I can type blind, but I often look down when typing in a new password. I can also play blind, but when it's not a very well rehearsed riff, I feel that looking at my left hand improves my accuracy and helps me focus on what I'm doing.
(but of course, if you're playing a guitar by vision alone, you're no better than the hunt-and-peck typist)