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The Quake Through Eyes of Slashdot Japan

I suspect most of you are not aware that Slashdot has an editorially independent counterpart in Japan. After the recent Quake and Tsunami, I asked my counterpart over there, Shuji Sado, if he would share with us something from Slashdot.jp. What follows is a collection of translated reader comments from your parallel selves in Japan. I want to wish all the Slashdot JP employees and readers the best of luck. Know that you have friends here. Hit the link below to read what it's like there right now. After the massive earthquake struck Sanriku-Oki on March 11, huge turmoil spread around centering eastern Japan. Right after the earthquake, damaged by the Tsunami hitting the Tohoku coastal area near the epicenter, it was so devastating that the true extent of the damage is yet not assessable (M8.4 earthquake erupted off the Sanriku Coast, Japan in turmoil). Phone calls were hard to reach, and e-mails were delayed, causing safety inquiries of relatives and friends in the area affected by the quake extremely difficult to get through. On the other hand, although Kanto region was struck hard, people are handling the situation calmly. Below are some of the comments sent to Slashdot Japan.

This is a report restricted to Kanto area. I was in the office in the heart of Tokyo, and probably because the building was old, I felt strong swaying horizontally. (It was not a vertical shake. ) It might be a bit misleading to call it “severe” but, I have never experienced being in a building moving sideways in such strong motions, despite that my office was in the lower level. After I evacuated to the park, there came another shake which sent cold shiver down my spine as I heard the surrounding buildings making strange squeaky noises and deforming into parallelogram shape. I went back home on foot. Privately owned stores and those selling non-daily necessities were closed. But fast-food restaurants and convenient stores were opened and seem as usual, except that there were more customers. Just about how crowded it gets during lunch time. We can call it a turmoil with everyone wondering how to get home faced by severe traffic congestion and paralyzed railroad system, but my personal view is that this earthquake is not that devastating, and Kanto area will be back to normal by Monday if there aren't any more earthquakes. To my surprise, everyone around me remained calm, probably being used to having earthquakes.#1916274

This is another report from metropolitan area in Tokyo. My observation and impression of the situation is exactly the same. Once the aftershock subsided, all the urban functions were back on operation except the railroad system, which made me think “Wow, that's just what Japan is about!” There were just few things that were not normal: the room was submerged by busted plumbing and the streets were overcrowded with people. (#1916333)

Right after stricken by the earthquake, infrastructures and transportation facilities stopped operating, and it became the biggest problem even in the non-victimized area. Most of the people working in Tokyo take about 30minutes to hour-and-a-half to commute to their offices from their residences not only in Tokyo but also in Saitama, Chiba, and Kanagawa using railroad transportation system. Although few of the railway lines got back to operation, many people were left with options to either spend the night in institutions such as schools and concert halls or walk back home which would take several hours.

With determination, I walked back home from Hachioji area to Nerima. On the way, I purchased a recycled bicycle at a bicycle shop. Now at 23:23, I'm home. It took me 5 hours. (#1916403)

Struck by the earthquake around 3pm while I was riding the Yokohama-line. Passengers were guided to walk to the close-by station and it was already 4:00pm. After that, we were left on our own to go wherever. I walked for 5 stations, and it took me 4 hours to get back to the office. (#1916480)

However on the next day of the earthquake disaster, most of the transportation facilities were operating and at present, most of the railway lines are running under special emergency timetable. Now, most attention goes to the power problem and the critical status of the nuclear power plants. By the devastating earthquake, some of the thermal and nuclear power plants in the Kanto and other eastern areas were shut down. The cooling system failed at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, and despite the attempts to cool down the reactor externally, the situation is yet not contained. Meanwhile (although it is still not at a level of casting imminent hazard upon the residents and the environments of the surrounding area), disperse of the radioactive substances was announced causing anxiety to grow among those mainly in the Kanto area (Fushikusha Diichi Nuclear Power Plant status, CRITICAL). As to the nuclear plant related issues, news papers and TV have provided inaccurate information to stir up confusion, but it was Dr.Hayano, a professor at Tokyo University and a researcher at CERN, whose accurate explanation on the situation provided through Twitter eased the anxiety of many people(@hayano). Shut down of the power plants attributes to the power shortage problem. The attempt to decrease the power consumption by dividing the region of coverage to cut down power alternately, which is called the “planned power outage”, was implemented for the fist time(TEPCO carried out rolling outage). There were confusions as the announcement was delayed to inform which of the region was to go out of power in what time. However, websites such as “”Operation Yashima ” (the power conservation strategy depicted in the popular Japan Anime “Next Generation of Evangelion”) spread out the idea of power conservation and helped to keep the rolling blackout to a minimum. Also, daily commodities and fuel shortage is a problem. Water, bread, and preserved foods were soon gone from the stores, and gasoline and kerosene are also under-supply. Devastating news drove panicked people to buy excessive amount of toilet paper, batteries, and flashlights which became a problem. Slashdot Japan has posted a story Why do people panic buy toilet paper? which received much attention.

On my way back home, I stopped by a drug store to buy daily necessities. But all the toilet paper which is usually stacked under the banner was totally gone. There are some twitters saying that it reminds them of the Showa oil shock, but as I didn't experience that on real time, I have no clue. If anyone knows why there are people who would go out and panic buy, please let me know undercover.

Yesterday 3/15, I was in Hokkaido (island located at the north end of Japan), and just before I was about to fly back to Tokyo, my sister gave me a hasty phone call to bring back diapers for her baby. She told me her baby was wearing her last diaper, and all the diapers were emptied from the shelves of all the retail stores she could go to. Luckily, Hokkaido was not affected by the earthquake, and daily commodities were still on shelves as usual. So I brought her back a huge stack of diapers, two loaves of bread, 4 packs of ramen-noodles, cookies, and batteries. These panics are expected to wane by this weekend. Contrary to these hysterical panics, some raise their voices to say “Especially at a time like this, we should live as we usually do”. Some intellects and celebrities were calling on to “those who were affected only slightly by the disaster” to “go out and continue to consume for the sake of reducing the impact on the economy”. But they were criticized for “lacking in prudence”, drawing much attention (In a crisis like this, is it indiscreet not to practice “self-regulation”?)

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  1. "but my personal view" by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We can call it a turmoil with everyone wondering how to get home faced by severe traffic congestion and paralyzed railroad system, but my personal view is that this earthquake is not that devastating, and Kanto area will be back to normal by Monday if there aren't any more earthquakes.

    That was pretty close to my response from my armchair before we got news of the extent of the nuclear plant failures. I felt pretty low about it at the time, and although I came to terms with it and got to just feeling dumb already this made me feel even better. Hope springs eternal, I guess. Once again, the Japanese impress the rest of us with their patience.

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    1. Re:"but my personal view" by decora · · Score: 2

      that was also my personal view, before i saw the video of pool of garbage, on fire, devouring the countryside, wiping away houses like they were toys.

    2. Re:"but my personal view" by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We can call it a turmoil with everyone wondering how to get home faced by severe traffic congestion and paralyzed railroad system, but my personal view is that this earthquake is not that devastating, and Kanto area will be back to normal by Monday if there aren't any more earthquakes.

      That was pretty close to my response from my armchair before we got news of the extent of the nuclear plant failures. I felt pretty low about it at the time, and although I came to terms with it and got to just feeling dumb already this made me feel even better.

      Well, you may feel eager to feel better from hearing 'good' news - but really, you're just fooling yourself. The OP may 'feel' the earthquake was not devastating and he may 'think' the Kanto area will be back to normal, but his views are from a worms eye point of view outside of the area where the quake hit. The relatives of the thousands of dead and the tens of thousands without homes or jobs would probably disagree with his estimation that the quake was 'not devastating'. The Kanto area may be back to normal by Monday, but the Kanto area wasn't hit by the full force of quake - the Tohoku area was. *They* aren't going to be back to normal by Monday. They aren't going to be back to normal next year.
       
      This whole report is infuriatingly meaningless. It's like hearing from residents of St. Louis a week after Katrina - "yeah, we got a couple of inches of rain, but we're cool now". It's insulting as hell to the dead and the homeless and those whose livelihoods were destroyed.

  2. We appreciate your support! by Heian-794 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hey, some of us live in Japan and are members of both Slashdots! (I admit, though, that I post on this one far more often than the Japanese one, which I mostly just read.)

    Everyone here in Japan appreciates the outpouring of support that we're getting from the world.

    If you can spare some money, donate it to the newly-homeless residents of Miyagi and Iwate. And if you're planning a visit to Japan in a year or so, when things have settled down, visit the afflicted areas and help them get back on their feet.

    I myself was in Tokyo, far from the epicenter, and even all the way out here buildings shook, books tumbled from shelves, and appliances flew around the room. Still assessing the damage. The trains stopped and lots of people were stuck spending the night in their offices, or walking huge distances back home.

    Right now it's best to leave assistance work to the professionals, but in a month or so I plan to go up north to help out, even if it's just assisting oldsters with putting the shelves back up and carrying things.

    To everyone who's thinking of us out here, thank you again!

    1. Re:We appreciate your support! by georgesdev · · Score: 2

      why do you get all excited?
      it's not Heian-794's fault if he was in Tokyo and did not get killed.
      He can and does feel close to the people affected. Please respect that!

    2. Re:We appreciate your support! by Heian-794 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know what, DNS-and-BIND, I retract my recommendation to come over and help people in your case. Your attitude isn't needed here and wouldn't be appreciated by anyone.

      We will continue to help each other through the situation, whether it's the minor annoyance of not having enough food in Tokyo thanks to panic buyers, not being able to get to work because trains aren't running, not having power, or the serious crisis of not having a home to go back to up in Miyagi and Iwate. Or even the annoyance of dealing with idiots who falsely accuse us of carnig more about Tokyo than the countryside. We will get through our problems, large and small. Keep calm and carry on!

    3. Re:We appreciate your support! by HuntingHades · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are there organizations taking donations specifically for those now homeless residents that are known to be legit? The main organizations that get advertised for donations here in the US are the Red Cross and Save the Children, but I don't know where their particular efforts are focused.

    4. Re:We appreciate your support! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      DNS-and-BIND, your lack of social skills is exceeded only by your douche-baggery.

      Fortunately, this skill set is in great demand: Have you ever considered work as a Wikipedia editor?

      Email us- You'd fit right in

    5. Re:We appreciate your support! by tomhudson · · Score: 2

      We're not thinking of "you", Tokyo foreigner. We're thinking of Japanese people. You know, the ones who were actually affected? The one type of news story we've had an abundance of, repeated above, is "well, good news, Tokyo where all the foreigners and other important people live is safe. Some towns called with rustic hick names got washed away and thousands killed but it wasn't us so no big loss...OMG a nuke plant might blow up and threaten Tokyo! Attention journalists, run away!"

      You're being a jerk. Why not do the math. This was a disaster that makes 9/11 look relatively insignificant,in scope, in lives lost, and in economic terms.

  3. Panic by Aquaseafoam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only ones who seem to be panicking are western media. I saw a comment from a Japanese man accusing BBC News of attempting to incite a panic.

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    1. Re:Panic by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And rightfully so. Here in Europe, people are buying masks and iodine pills. I don't know much about geography or wind currents, but no matter where I look there is a) half a planet between us and the plants that cooked off and b) at the very least either the Himalaya or two oceans and some land in between us and the disaster, no matter what direction the death cloud could take, it simply cannot reach us.

      Do you think people would go so apeshit about something that happened half a world away if it wasn't for the panic hype of the media?

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    2. Re:Panic by MrQuacker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only thing they have to compare it to is Chernobyl, and that was a big deal for Europe. Also, "You're all gonna die!?" drives more traffic than "S'all good, Japs got it taken care of."

    3. Re:Panic by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2

      There isn't much point to buying masks and iodine pills if you're not in Japan or known to be immediately downwind, and taking iodine doses without qualified medical advice to do so is a very bad idea, the news reports I saw said as much.

      The radiation will be spread so thinly that there won't be any health effects in Europe.

    4. Re:Panic by slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I work for a multinational company. On our internal system, someone in Bangalore broadcast the news about the Japanese earthquake soon after it happened. The first response? An American saying "We're hearing about it on the news. I sure hope you're OK in India."

      Maps are useful.

    5. Re:Panic by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hell, an interesting thing I've not heard covered was about the criminal element. If the same thing happened in North America, besides widespread panic we'd have tons of looting and rioting and everything basically run amok.

      Yet in Japan it seems everyone is still calm, peaceful and there's still an orderly society, as if nothing really happened.

      And I'm guessing it appears stores are still open to pick up necessities - here the shelves would be cleared of everything within the hour as everyone starts hoarding.

      Is it really that orderly over there?

    6. Re:Panic by TheSeventh · · Score: 5, Informative

      I heard a report on the news about the differences between Japanese and American news reporting. It went something like this:

      In America, the news likes to broadcast the worst possible outcomes, the worst-cast scenarios, and then be grateful when it doesn't happen.

      In Japan, the news broadcasts what is actually happening, without any predictions or sensationalizing.

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    7. Re:Panic by slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/17/japan-nuclear-crisis-tsunami-aftermath#block-28 - "The death toll from the earthquake and tsunami is expected to exceed 10,000"

      Indeed, 220,000 died in Haiti -- smaller quake, less developed country. Things are still desperate over there, so after donating to Japan, maybe spare a little for Haiti.

    8. Re:Panic by WhiplashII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't know if it has changed in the few decades since I lived there, but back in the day the police just took care of the minor crimes - organized crime eliminated the perpetrators of the big stuff, like murder or looting. Bad for business!

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    9. Re:Panic by moonbender · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh please. Maybe it's different where you live, but nobody around here -- Germany -- is "going apeshit" and there is zero panic. Unless you consider turning away from nuclear energy as a panicky reaction, but that's not what you were talking about. Maybe some people are buying masks and iodine pills, but I haven't heard any reports about that being a wide-scale phenomenon, and besides, having those around might not be the worst idea in the world if you're living in the vicinity of a nuclear power plant.

      I think everybody knows that Europe will not be directly affected by the nuclear accident in Japan, despite its massive scale. (The indirect effects, mostly economical, are something else entirely.) And of course, the whole thing, the devastation after the earthquake/tsunami as well as Fukushima, is a huge, huge story in the media -- and it damn well should be.

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    10. Re:Panic by moonbender · · Score: 2

      The only thing they have to compare it to is Chernobyl, and that was a big deal for Europe. Also, "You're all gonna die!?" drives more traffic than "S'all good, Japs got it taken care of."

      Except they don't.

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    11. Re:Panic by ArundelCastle · · Score: 2

      My brother is there in Tokyo with his Japanese wife, and true to our British heritage has a very "keep calm and carry on" mentality, bordering on an ostrich impression. He and our mum actually got into a shouting phone call. She is watching the devastation and death toll rise, photos of bare grocery store shelves. And he absolutely refuses to accept any attempts at us helping. They are fine, power is on, food is in the freezer, work continues, pets are edible in a pinch but plenty of salad to fatten them up with (his usual joke). When you live somewhere that has weathered multiple disasters (and I'm including bombings in that assessment), the emotion is different. You want things to continue as normal, and sometimes that means keeping calm and carrying on. 90 million people can't drive over to Sendai and start rebuilding houses, but they can go out shopping and reduce their energy consumption until the disaster relief experts have the worst under control.

      It is a horrendous disaster, and the nuclear / fuel depot issues are a real danger. It is nothing short of incredible that the worst damage was in, by Japan's standards, a low population area. Had the epicenter been a mere 200km farther south, Tokyo and the larger cities probably would have been far worse off, and had it been southeast then Narita (int'l airport) and the surrounding Chiba area would have definitely been hit by tsunami, which is the main cause of the high death count compared to only quake damage. Japan knows how to deal with quakes, but nothing can stop the ocean.

      Related:
      http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0314/Japan-earthquake-How-Tokyo-got-an-80-second-head-start

    12. Re:Panic by Heian-794 · · Score: 4, Informative

      tlhIngan, in central Tokyo (for what that's worth), everything is still open, but hoarding is getting ridiculous and essentials are becoming harder to find. Milk, rice, bread products of all kinds, and noodle products of all kinds are scarce. Unhealthy cup ramen, a staple "emergency" food, is completely unobtainable. Fresh fruit and vegetables are more easily obtained than dried noodles!

      Nerves are fraying more at the train stations, where lines to get on are stretching out the station and down the block. Some places are getting one train every half hour where they normally have a train coming every 2-3 minutes. There were stories on the news of knife fights as people tried to cut in line at gas stations.

      I'm very thankful that Japan isn't as automobile-centric as the US is. Four of the five supermarkets withint walking distance of me have no parking, so we're all on an even footing when it comes to carrying our goods out of the store. In a car-oriented society (and rural Japan is one, somewhat), people would be loading up their monster SUVs with many times their own weight in food, and there would be nothing left for anyone who's limited to a few dozen pounds of goods.

      Living through this situation makes me fully understand that visual impairment -- enough to prevent you from driving, anyway -- is, in the US, a handicap just as debilitating as more-recognized ones. If any of you readers work at your town or city halls, make "getting food and transportation available to people without cars" a main pillar of your disaster plan. It's not these people's fault that American society was built around something they have no access to.

    13. Re:Panic by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Informative

      And I'm guessing it appears stores are still open to pick up necessities - here the shelves would be cleared of everything within the hour as everyone starts hoarding.

      I guess you missed the part in TFA that mentioned hording in some areas.

      I was in Houston, TX when it got hit by Ike. The majority of the city was without power for at least a week (in some cases at least two). That affected a lot of the normal sundries of life in the area. It was very surreal driving down the highway and seeing huge lines at gas stations. My cynical side expected chaos. But life went on rather smoothly, all things considered. My impression was finding the nearby Wal-Mart having power and providing a charging station for people's cell phones and giving away bannanas (while throwing out massive amounts of perishables) and doing their best to stock shelves. I would expect there is at least some hording involved there, but then at the same time, when your entire meat and produce section is bare there's little surprise that your canned goods are going to sell out. We had BBQ every night. Our neighborhood ended up having a nightly block party where a community grill was fired up. Things did not go all Road Warrior over night. That's not to say there wasn't crime; I think the statistic was somewhere around 100 cases of looting in Houston. Nearby Galveston had it worse in almost every way from damage to crime.

      Now - that experience pales in comparison to what has to be going on in some parts of Japan. But I think there's been trials-by-fire in various parts of the US that demonstrate that everything does not "run amok"; at least, not in every region.

    14. Re:Panic by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 2

      After dozens of phone calls from mom I have to say I'm pretty damn fed up by her attempts at pressuring me to leave. There's no ostrich impression going on here, we're quite perfectly capable of assessing the situation and come to the right conclusions on evacuation plans.

      Hell, I grew up in the Nordic countries during the time the radiation from Chernobyl was blowing around so why should brief periods of 10x background radiation levels worry me?

      And speaking of epicenters... What really _does_ worry me is the Tokai fault line, the one that is predicted overdue to cause the great Tokyo earthquake and is now under even more stress.

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    15. Re:Panic by JanneM · · Score: 2

      Nah, it's taking the scenic route. It's booked shipment across the pacific, is crossing the Panama canal and headed for Rotterdam harbour. There it'll get off, hitch-hike to Amsterdam where it'll hook up for three weeks with a post-functionalist performance artist from Berlin named Hilda. Once they're out of booze and drugs they'll take the train southeast, get beat up by Italian police when they try to consummate their love at midnight in Fontana de Trevi, then sneak aboard a bulk freighter headed across the Suez.

      It'll get to India; it's just taking a a bit of time.

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    16. Re:Panic by 3.14159265 · · Score: 2

      (...)Unless you consider turning away from nuclear energy as a panicky reaction(...)

      (reposting because I'm an idiot and wasn't logged-in)
      Funny you should say that, because the first thing I thought when I read that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel suddenly decided to shutdown 7 power plants http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/us-germany-nuclear-merkel-idUSTRE72D51520110315 after the incidents in Japan was "wtf!?".

      I could only come up with 3 scenarios:
      1) she did know that the power plants had urgent issues, but delayed any action until now
      2) she didn't know of any urgent issues, and just found out
      3) she knows that there are no issues, but the Green's votes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_party are just too appetizing.

      This is "going apeshit" by any fair and reasonable measure, and this reaction seems to be is both unwarranted and unhelpful to Japan and any country where nuclear power is the sustainable solution.
      Also, the general behaviour of the media hasn't been something to call home about, sensationalistic, biased, and altogether agenda-driven (which seems to be a common-place nowadays.)
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    17. Re:Panic by toQDuj · · Score: 2
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  4. The irony! by DWMorse · · Score: 5, Funny

    Top of Slashdot.org : Japan Earthquake Story
    Top of Slashdot.jp : iPhone Angry Birds discussion.

    I just found it amusing. =)

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  5. Talk about "shock & awe"... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 2

    The magnitude of this thing defies description. A lot of us in the outside world look on with with admiration as the Japanese people pull together and "work the problem" in their particular way.

    My Japanese is near non-existent, so apologies if this is out of place, but...

    Ganbatte kudasai!

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    1. Re:Talk about "shock & awe"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      My mother was a Saint! Get out!

  6. Engrish by spudnic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Man. There English sucks.

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    1. Re:Engrish by Skidborg · · Score: 2

      Slashdot is like Youtube: No matter how intentionally dumb you make a comment, there will always be people dumb enough to believe that you are no smarter than they are.

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  7. Recursion alert! by srussia · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's hope slashdot.jp doesn't post a story on slashdot.org coverage. This could result in the dreaded mutual slashdotting. Worse than crossing the streams, worse the LHC blackhole, and yes, worse than the divide-by-zero error!

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  8. If it hapened in the US it would be complete chaos by tomt127 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hang in there Japan. Show the world the way people are supposed to deal with a crisis.

  9. Re:Animals knew it was coming by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Giant flashing sign at the bottom of the screen: "This is what PETAtologists actually believe"

  10. Re:A different experience.. by joh · · Score: 2

    Japan are a strong people. These things are an inconvenience, but they will pull through. It's in their nature.

    It's not "nature". It's culture. Which is quite the opposite.

  11. Re:A different experience.. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

    Then someone should help her carry the water. She doesn't live on an island in a little box 30 miles away from anyone; she has neighbors, they can pool resources.

    Also, I have pitched a 70 year old Japanese woman over face first against her own twisted arm. Don't think that because they're that old they're not in better shape than you; she rolled out of it easy, easier than I can and that was a pretty fucking aggressive attack. She also corrected my throwing technique; apparently I had left myself a little vulnerable at one point and could have had my arm locked awkwardly mid-throw...

  12. Re:A different experience.. by treeves · · Score: 2

    It's an idiom. Saying something is "in someone's nature", that "nature" does not mean the same thing as the "nature" in "nature vs. nurture".

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  14. Re:Donations - does Japan need the money? by WhiplashII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While Japan presumably does not need money, they do need help. For example, they need experienced teams of rescue workers scouring the countryside finding still-living victims. They need food, water, and supplies delivered to areas suddenly unreachable through normal means. They need crews to rip apart buildings to rescue those trapped inside.

    Those teams are predominately run by volunteer organizations such as the Red Cross, LDS Church, etc. Japan will not pay those organizations for the help they receive - just as no one else has to pay. So those organizations will need additional funds to cover operations in Japan.

    So in answer to your question, "does Japan need the money?"

    Japan, no. Red Cross, yes.

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  15. A question to the Japanese by jez9999 · · Score: 2

    Can anyone over there in Japan give me a better picture about the likelihood of TEPCO and the Japanese government having their feet held to the fire over this nuclear power plant's still being in operation?

    The hysterical Western media aside, this is an extremely bad situation for a nuclear power plant to even be able to get to in this day and age. By my limited understanding, the reason it's still in operation is basically because the Japanese government have let TEPCO get away with safety coverups and shortcuts on a regular basis, despite the IAEA warning them about this plant being dangerous. I support nuclear power, but these old plants really need to be replaced by modern, safe ones, and it looks like Japan is in desperate need of an attitude change towards its nuclear safety policy.

    Is such a change likely to happen now? Are those responsable for the lack of nuclear safety (yes, I call running a 50 year old nuclear plant near-enough to Tokyo that isn't designed for an extraordinarily large earthquakes/tsunamis in a region renowned for moderate ones, unsafe) likely to be brought to justice? Or is the culture between the Japanese government/TEPCO similar to that between the US government and ExxonMobil?

    1. Re:A question to the Japanese by Heian-794 · · Score: 2

      Jez, this plant was in fact nearing the end of its life, and had been designed to withstand a quake almost as big as this one. Its retirement, and the introduction of a newer and safer plant, was already on the schedule when the quake came.

      TEPCO has told many lies to the public over the years, but the long-term planning of nuclear power and even this plant in particular isn't something that can be faulted. It's not even that close to Tokyo, despite the "Tokyo Electric Power" name -- roughly the same distance separates Fukushima and Tokyo as does Three Mile Island and New York (260 km / 160 mi).

      I do want to see heads roll over this, though. They lied during the Tokaimura incident a decade ago and have been obfuscating things all through this incident.

  16. Factual news releases from IndustrialInfo by dj245 · · Score: 2

    Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Update
    Released March 17, 2011 | TOKYO, JAPAN


    Researched by Industrial Info Resources (Sugar Land, Texas)--On Thursday, March 17, at 9:30 a.m. JST, firefighting trucks were dispatched to Tokyo Electric Power Company Incorporated's (TYO:9501) (TEPCO) (Tokyo) Fukushima Daiichi units 3 and 4 to replenish water in the spent fuel pool. Because Unit 3 has not reached a stable temperature, the spent fuel rods continue to produce heat. Water must be kept flowing through the spent fuel pool to keep the system cool, or the high temperatures of the spent fuel rods will cause the water to boil off. If the spent fuel rods are exposed, they will begin to melt and emit radiation.

    At 9:48 a.m. JST, helicopters began releasing seawater over Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station units 3 and 4 in an attempt to cool the units. TEPCO is also discussing the option of releasing boric acid over Unit 4. Boric acid has a high boiling point of 300 degrees Celsius. When water, which has a boiling point of 100 degrees Celsius, is mixed with boric acid, its boiling point rises. The current temperature of Unit 4 is approximately 180 degrees Celsius. Between helicopter-delivered water and possible boric acid treatment, Unit 4 could reach stable temperatures.

    On the previous day, the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission announced that the water in the spent fuel pool of Unit 4 had completely boiled off, prompting the United States Embassy in Tokyo to urge American citizens to evacuate the area beyond an 80-kilometer (50-mile) radius. TEPCO has refuted the announcement, stating that the water is low, but not completely boiled off.

    Units 4, 5, and 6 were all inactive at the time of Friday's earthquake due to scheduled maintenance. Unit 4 has been down since November 30, 2010, and Unit 6 has been inactive since August 14, 2010, while Unit 5 has been offline since January 3 of this year.




    Radiation Levels at Fukushima Daiichi Fall; Radiation and Sieverts Explained
    Released March 17, 2011 | TOKYO, JAPAN


    Researched by Industrial Info Resources (Sugar Land, Texas)--The Japanese Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has reported that radiation levels have fallen steadily over the past 12 hours at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station. As of Wednesday, March 16, at 5:00 p.m. JST, equipment at the main plant gate of Fukushima Daiichi detected radiation levels of 752 microSieverts per hour. This is equivalent to 0.000752 Sieverts or 0.752 miliSieverts. A Sievert is the International System of Units derivation of dose equivalent, which is the measure of effects of ionizing radiation on tissue.

    1 Sievert (Sv) = 1,000 milliSieverts (mSv) = 1,000,000 microSieverts (Sv)

    MicroSieverts are the current unit of measure used to describe radiation levels emitted from Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station.

    Single-dose examples include the following:
    One banana: 0.0001 milliSieverts
    Mammogram: 5 milliSieverts
    Chest CT Scan: 6 to 18 milliSieverts
    Hourly dose examples include the following:
    Highest radiation recorded at Unit 2 of Fukushima Daiichi: 8 milliSieverts per hour
    Highest radiation recorded at Fukushima Daiichi main plant gate: 11 millilSieverts per hour
    Standard dose in relation to Chernobyl Unit 4 and its fragments after explosion: 10 to 300 Sieverts per hour
    Yearly dose examples include the following:
    Residing in close proximity to a nuclear power station: 0.0001 to 0.01 milliSieverts per year
    Residing in close proximity to a coal-fired power station: 0.0003 milliSieverts per year
    Smoking 1.5 packs of cigarettes per day: 13 milliSieverts per year
    Lowest clearly carcinogenic level: 100 milliSieverts per year
    An information breakdown similar to this one was broadcast to the Japanese public via television shortly following the first mention of any trouble at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station.




    Moth

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    Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
    1. Re:Factual news releases from IndustrialInfo by dj245 · · Score: 2

      It comes from Industrial Info Resources. Registration seems to be required. Most of the articles on the Japanese earthquake and its repercussions so far have been free but my company has a subscription to the nonfree articles.

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      Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
  17. Re:The whole thing by Gentatsu · · Score: 3, Informative

    Japan Quake as Seen from Twitter (Translated by me so quality questionable)
    by Jun Shiomitsu on Sunday, March 13, 2011 at 1:13am

    Japanese people have been very open on Twitter about their experiences following the quake. These snippets of what moved them and touched them during these very trying times are heart-warming. I have attempted a rough translation on some of them so that you can have a read.

    Please continue to pray for the people in Japan.

    I hope these mini-stories will bring strength and encouragement to my friends and family in Japan by letting them know that, not only does the world sympathize with them, it looks up to them in admiration! My thoughts are with you.

    "The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make His face to shine on you and be gracious unto you; the Lord turn His face toward you and give you peace." (from the Bible)

    Jun Shiomitsu
    MBA Student
    Judge Business School
    University of Cambridge

    At Tokyo Disneyland:

    Tokyo Disneyland was handing out its shopsâ(TM) food and drinks for free to the stranded people nearby. I saw a bunch of snobby looking highschool girls walking away with large portions of it and initially though âoeWhat the â¦â But I later I found out they were taking them to the families with little children at emergency evacuation areas. Very perceptive of them, and a very kind thing to do indeed.

    Message from the UN

    Secretary General Ban Ki Moon: âoeJapan is one of (the UNâ(TM)s) most generous and strongest benefactors, coming to the assistance of those in need the world over. In that spirit, the United Nations stands by the people of Japan and we will do anything and everything we can at this very difficult time.â I was moved at his words. What better example that good things happen to those who do good.

    At a congested downtown intersection â¦

    Cars were moving at the rate of maybe one every green light, but everyone was letting each other go first with a warm look and a smile. At a complicated intersection, the traffic was at a complete standstill for 5 minutes, but I listened for 10 minutes and didnâ(TM)t hear a single beep or honk except for an occasional one thanking someone for giving way. It was a terrifying day, but scenes like this warmed me and made me love my country even more.

    During the earthquake

    Weâ(TM)ve all been trained to immediately open the doors and establish an escape route when there is an earthquake. In the middle of the quake while the building was shaking crazily and things falling everywhere, a man made his way to the entrance and held it open. Honestly, the chandelier could have crashed down any minute ⦠that was a brave man!

    Bus stop mini episode:

    It was freezing and bus was taking ages to arrive. âoe@saisoâ left the queue to run to a nearby pharmacy. He bought heating pads and gave one to everyone in the queue!

    Thank you Tokyo Disney Sea

    My daughter who was staying at DisneySea just made it back home! Many, many thanks to the staff who worked very hard in the cold with ready smiles that made her to feel safe and secure during the entire night. They brought her food, drinks, snacks, heating pads, and anything necessary to ensure she was comfortable and secure throughout her stay. I was touched by the Disney staffâ(TM)s warmth and hospitality. Thank you so much!

    Reminded of the goodness of the Japanese people

    This earthquake has reminded me of that Japanese goodness that had recently become harder and harder to see. Today I see no crime or looting: I am reminded once again of the good Japanese spirit of helping one another, of propriety, and of gentleness. I had recently begun to regard my modern countrymen as cold people ⦠but this earthquake has revived and given back to all of us the spirit of âoekizunaâ (bond, trust, sharing, the human connection). I am very touched. I am brought to tears.

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