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Duke Nukem Forever Multiplayer Mode Predictably Controversial

Gearbox Software has released some information about the multiplayer modes for Duke Nukem Forever, which is due out May 3rd (for real this time). In addition to standard deathmatch (called Dukematch), team deathmatch and a king-of-the-hill mode, there is "Capture the Babe," in which a typical CTF flag is replaced by a woman. Eurogamer explains it thus: "... when you grab the other team's babe, she sometimes 'freaks out.' The solution? Give her a gentle smack." Gearbox's Randy Pitchford, clearly understanding how politically incorrect this sounds, said, "You can get some things across in screenshots but not really. So we're kinda struggling with how we expose it so people understand what's there. The proof is in the pudding so to speak, so I don't want to talk about it too much."

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  1. Oh Duke... by Shikaku · · Score: 5, Funny

    When will you ever stop being awesome?

    1. Re:Oh Duke... by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      Duke WAS awesome. He has developed some... character issues over the last ten years, though.

      http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/275

  2. Capture the ... mod by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 4, Funny
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  3. Re:Well they could take that out... by Shikaku · · Score: 2

    The game is already done. All that needs to be done now is getting it "Gold," which means printed, discs pressed, etc.

    So to answer your question, yes, they will stop wasting their lives on such a cliche project.

  4. Re:Ok, great... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would anyone want a sequel to that?

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  5. Capture the Babe... by Phoobarnvaz · · Score: 2

    "... when you grab the other team's babe, she sometimes 'freaks out.' The solution? Give her a gentle smack."

    Reminds me of a quote from Sean Connery from his James Bond days..."Sometimes...you just have to hit a woman."

    Personally...I think you should have to find a roll of duct tape to be able to take with you. That way...when you get her...you can duct tape her hands/feet together and put a strip across her mouth. Takes care of her fighting and keeps her quiet. What more can a man ask for...a submissive woman who can't gripe at you.;)

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  6. What, no co-op? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the best parts of Duke3d (along with many other classic FPSes) was the cooperative play mode. Leaving it out is bullshit; some people actually like to play these games with friends instead of against them.

  7. The Duke ain't PC by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's not politically correct. He's in fact not correct at all.

    Dammit, it's a friggin' GAME! OK? It's a GAME! Treat it as such. We're talking about a steroid-pumped, bubblegum-chewing, over-the-top cliché pseudo-hero. I wouldn't say it's suitable for 10 year olds (or other people of similar feeble intellect that could take a computer game serious like, say, certain politicians or a certain ex-lawyer we all love so much), but why should you have to apologize as a computer game company for making a corny game?

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    1. Re:The Duke ain't PC by scdeimos · · Score: 4, Informative

      We're talking about a steroid-pumped, bubblegum-chewing, over-the-top cliché pseudo-hero.

      You forgot: "... who likes punching aliens in the balls."

    2. Re:The Duke ain't PC by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 2

      So we can look, forward to DNF being rated RC and becoming DN Never in Australia.

      Fucking fascist government.

    3. Re:The Duke ain't PC by Viceice · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's like how people don't understand parody and satire. I just watch and laugh sometimes at how some people are so upset when comedy is made about race, religion, gender etc.

      Yes, people get hurt when you say the wrong thing, but people also need to learn to chill, take a step back and laugh at themselves once in a while.

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    4. Re:The Duke ain't PC by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but why should you have to apologize as a computer game company for making a corny game?

      Because this isn't the easy-going days of gaming (as in the 90's). Nowadays, people for some reason want to be offended just so they can get their 2 minutes of Internet fame as they're quoted in multiple sites. Bonus points if they're behind some shitty "family" organization or group who loves the publicity.

    5. Re:The Duke ain't PC by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't say it's suitable for 10 year olds

      Really? I would. In order for these ten year olds to believe that a game is actually reality, they would likely have to be already insane and would have to have terrible parents who do nothing but censor everything instead of educating them about things. Really, the chances of someone (even a child) believing this game is reality are slim to none, I believe. The chances of this actually hurting someone are likely even slimmer. The temporary violent thoughts that some studies correlated to violent media almost never amount to anything.

      I'd say it's suitable for anything unless the person is insane and/or has terrible parents.

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    6. Re:The Duke ain't PC by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 2

      Because idiot parents will buy this for their 10 year old, and they will promptly "attitude adjust" a girl in their class.

      The amount of children that view/play violent media is likely staggeringly high. How many of them are actually insane enough actually imitate the violence and try it on others? Most of them know that it's fiction. Most of them know that they do not wish to hurt others simply because they saw it done in a work of fiction. The most any studies have been able to 'prove' is that violent media can be linked to temporary violent thoughts that almost never amount to anything (not even in children). If some abysmally small minority of people who are 'insane' (and if they are children, have terrible parents who censor everything instead of educating them about the difference between fiction and reality) imitate violence they see in violent media, then that is too bad. Those few shouldn't be able to ruin it for everyone else (children or not).

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    7. Re:The Duke ain't PC by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

      How many of them are actually insane enough actually imitate the violence and try it on others?

      One. Then, Fox News will get hold of the story, and it'll be the second coming of Pol Pot. Don't pretend it won't happen.

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    8. Re:The Duke ain't PC by rikkards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would mod you up (I will probably get modded down (s'alright I have tons of karma) as what you say has a large grain of truth. Also regarding what the GP said, usually the people who say others need to lighten up have never been on the butt end of the joke and usually are part of the demographic majority who get a tad offended/feel persecuted when society tries to balance out the rights they have always had that other minorities have not i.e religious rights, same-sex marriage, etc.

    9. Re:The Duke ain't PC by Schadrach · · Score: 2

      Heh. I thought Duke was juvenile when I *was* a teenager (OMG having a Voodoo was like night and day in Quake!), but it was silly and over the top and an excuse to blow up some aliens.

      I'll still tell you to lighten up, because everyone is too PC about everything. Noone has a right not to be offended.

      I'm kind of a strange beast politically though -- I'm pro choice (but oddly, anti-abortion -- it is a moral decision and should be placed in the hands of the individual woman, not the state; but that doesn't mean I personally *agree* with that choice, it just isn't *my* choice to make on your behalf), a moderate on gun control (we need to balance our fundamental individual right to bear arms against the crime problem, which means we need gun control that is as effective as possible at curtailing criminal use of guns while having minimal impact on legitimate ownership and use), feel strongly about separation of church and state and all that entails (government involvement with religion needs to be faith-agnostic -- if something is opened to religious displays by one faith, then it needs be opened to displays by any faith who desires to do so or to none of them), I think many entitlement programs should be turned into so called "workfare" -- as in you work for the state if you want your $ENTITLEMENT_PROGRAM_CHECK, there's always a park to help pick litter in, or a state desk jockey who could use an assistant, or worst comes to worst allow nonprofits to request workers from the program, I'm pro same-sex marriage (or rather, I think the religious and legal concepts of marriage should be separated entirely, the latter available to all couples regardless of orientation and the state having absolutely no involvement in the former -- what religious rituals you practice and/or who you are willing to practice them for is not a concern of the state), and of course think everyone has gotten way too whiny and PC -- you have a right to freedom of speech, you don't have a right to prevent others from saying things that offend you.

      There needs to be a political party that is socially liberal, generally fiscally conservative, and doesn't fall back into wacko-land like Libertarians seem to with disturbing frequency.

    10. Re:The Duke ain't PC by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 2

      Some? From the looks of it, a grand majority of them can handle it. That's why most of them aren't violent.

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  8. Re:Cannot believe by Corbets · · Score: 3, Funny

    Postal 2, I believe it was called "Capture the Snitch" or something like that,

    Really? Cuz "Capture the Snatch" sounds a lot more interesting.

  9. Re:Wait, What? by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, I mean misogyny in a Duke Nukem game, I can believe, but do you really expect me to believe that DNF is going to ship!?!

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  10. Here we go again by LS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So why is beating and killing prostitutes in GTA ok, but this some kind of travesty?

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    1. Re:Here we go again by FrootLoops · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In my experience (as an American) American perspectives vary wildly. Check out South Park or Family Guy; they're American shows that involve heavy satire. They're very popular with certain demographics, but they're hated, often vehemently, by other segments of the population. I think it would be more accurate to say there's a large, often vocal, conservative block in our population that doesn't appreciate satire. [Of course even this refinement is a generalization and isn't strictly true.]

      As for me, I couldn't care less about the DKF multiplayer "controversy". It seems inconsistent to only get upset about hitting a woman/carrying her as a flag when the game is about killing people.

  11. Re:Well they could take that out... by epyT-R · · Score: 5, Interesting

    if you're gonna complain about cliches, at least focus on the present. duke is the exception, not the norm these days. what's wrong with a bit of male-archetype cliche? there's tons of 'girl power' moments in the media, making them a cliche stereotype in their own right. hell there are whole shows devoted to showing women in power, running everything, while the males are either kiss-up-captain-save-a-hos, criminals, or, some kind of sex abusers. oh right, I forgot, according to the feminist, male assertion of any kind = 'misogyny', but when females do it to males, it's 'empowerment.' I'm wonderin if the relatively recent intolerance towards the duke character has more to do with increasing gynocentricity and less to do with the drama surrounding the game's development. I say this because in the last few years I've noticed a lot of 'male chauvinist' critiques as a reason to diss the game. sure, they've always been there, even back in the 90s, but today, it seems like the most common complaint. Everyone knows there are far more pertinent attributes that can make a game suck.

    The duke aint' PC.. that's what makes him cool. characters like this are the vaccine to the real-damage that the PC-shielding of ideology can do to society. it prevents critique of any kind out of "respect for others' feelings." I'm sure I"ll be modded down into oblivion for even suggesting this. oh well.

  12. Equally Smackable by optymizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you had to capture a guy and smack him, nobody would have said anything. In that case, Gearbox might even be blamed for not making the option of smacking a woman. So much for gender equality...

    1. Re:Equally Smackable by makomk · · Score: 2

      The reason no one says anything about a guy getting smacked, beyond those who complain about anyone getting hit, is that their isn't a culture of acceptance and normalization around violence( and objectification) against men the way there is towards women.

      Am I the only one that spotted the slight, eensy-weensy contradiction in that sentence? If "no one says anything about a guy getting smacked", that's very much a culture of acceptance and normalization of violence against men. Y'know, the one you were saying didn't exist as justification for continuing to accept and normalize violence against men.

  13. This is so wrong on so many levels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's a game where you run around kill everyone - perfectly acceptable
    Hit someone - How disgusting (pure double standards)

    But the really really wrong bit, It is such a cheap publicity stunt. All BS and the offending bit will be removed when the story hits the mass media.

  14. Re:wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All violence is wrong. Not all men are tough like Duke, some are quite the opposite and aren't aggressive at all.

    Your comment bothers me. Most people agree that violence against women is wrong. Those who don't will never change their mind.
    But few people are even aware that thousands of men every day are abused by women. Lots of men are also bullied by other men, it happens in high schools, at work, in bars, at home... Games like Duke Nukem are 90% made of violence against males, reinforcing the stereotype that men are tough and aggressive and don't mind fighting whether they beat someone up or get beaten up.
    If you think violence is wrong, fine. If you want to complain about it, fine. But please be fair and complain about the violence that most deserves complaints. And please treat men and women equally.
    Also, I think it's misleading to say Duke is disrespectful of women. The girls in those games are whores who enjoy being treated like sex objects, not average, decent, self-respecting women.
    Funny how women seem to enjoy a special, superior and privileged status in some people's minds. Funny how those who are so eager to defend women seem to judge them not on who they are as people but on who they are in terms of gender. In my opinion THAT is sexist.

    Anyway, I think you should know nobody takes Duke seriously. Everyone knows he's a macho stereotype. People find Duke Nukem funny because they know what he does violates many social rules.

  15. I think... by Red_Chaos1 · · Score: 2

    ...that movies like Blazing Saddles need to become mandatory viewing. People as a collective need to lighten the fuck up, and learn to laugh a bit.

    1. Re:I think... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      Taggart: Well, that's where we go a-ridin' into town, a-whompin' and a-whumpin' every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course.
      Hedley Lamarr: You spare the women?
      Taggart: Naw, we rape the shit out of them at the Number Six Dance later on.
      Hedley Lamarr: Marvelous!

  16. Re:Ok, great... by lennier1 · · Score: 2

    The same people who pay to be beaten with a whip?

  17. reason to buy by Tom · · Score: 2

    In this time and age of Political Correctness Ãoeber Alles, I am glad that some creative people still enjoy ruffling some feathers. That used to be common in arts, does anyone remember? Today, few artists dare upset the cocktail-drinking ladies in the galleries.

    It wouldn't be Duke without stuff like this.

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  18. More hype... by Nrrqshrr · · Score: 2

    Please, live up to it, Duke...

  19. Fat Princess by _merlin · · Score: 2

    Downloadable capture-the-babe game for PS3. If you haven't played Fat Princess, you're missing out.

  20. BattleTanks! by kcbnac · · Score: 2

    BattleTanks is the game/series you're thinking of. (They did at least 2, I played the 2nd one long ago when the console was still current, found a copy of the first one later when I bought an N64 on a nostalgia kick)

  21. Valve time... by Nameisyoung007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And Duke Nukem Forever is released before Half Like 2: Episode 3. Part of me is crying inside...

  22. The most controversial bit is ignored. by VGPowerlord · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Everyone so far seems to be ignoring the most controversial bit in the multiplayer announcement.

    In 2011, Duke Nukem Forever only supports eight-player multiplayer. EIGHT PLAYER multiplayer.

    What does Gearbox think this is, the 90s?

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  23. Re:wrong by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most people agree that violence against women is wrong.

    No, most people agree that violence against INNOCENT women is wrong (men too, for that matter). Cops beat down drunken, crazy women all the time. Soldiers shoot them if they're carrying a rifle or bomb. And if one of them is coming at you with a knife, I'm pretty sure you're not going to give her flowers.

    You *DO* support women's equality, right? Because you sure sound like a sexist to me.

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  24. Re:Well they could take that out... by ShavedOrangutan · · Score: 2

    I personally know more relationships where the woman is the abusive partner. The difference is, in those situations the man suffers in silence (guess who always gets the kids, house, child support, and alimony after a separation).

    Also, every job I've ever had in my entire life, the boss has been a woman. CEO is irrelevant - there's a lot more bias there than just gender. The person in the corner office has been a woman in every company I've ever worked for without exception.

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  25. Re:Well they could take that out... by Stargoat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Women under the age of 30 in urban centers make more money than men. More women today are graduating with college degrees than men. This has been happening for years.

    Basically, in places where the average man doesn't burn out his body working on a farm or in construction, women are making more money than men.

    The feminist movement is over. They won. Women are now equal or superior to men.

    It is time to end Title IX. It is time to bring education standards back up so that we can make sure little Johnny gets the same education little Suzie does.

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  26. Re:most people understand hitting a woman is wrong by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

    Violence is violence, but treating female characters as chattel, e.g. a prize to be won, is also offensive.

    As far as domestic violence is concerned, 30% of it is woman on man violence, and women are twice as likely to use a weapon. Violence isn't something that men do to women and children, it is something that people do to people.

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  27. the Mayans were right! by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny

    lessee,
    1. we got a coed-raping bond villain causing the downfall of half the governments in North Africa (remember him?)
    2. the President of Egypt is forced out of office by mobs in the street enraged by #1
    3. Charlie Sheen reveals himself as the Twelfth Imam to the world. He's also pyrokinetic and an indigo child. Probably sent from the future, too.
    4. a record-breaking earthquake hits Japan
    5. leading to a record breaking tsunami hitting Japan
    6. leading to a record-breaking clusterfuck of a nuclear accident involving four reactors and numerous cooling ponds of radioactive waste -- in Japan.
    7. Britain's having a royal wedding
    8. Our Nobel Peace prize - winning President is bombing the shit out of Mohammar Ghadaffi in Libya, instigated, once again by J. Assange (see #1)
    9. Oh yeah, whoever was in charge of Tunisia was chased out of office by Arab mobs (see #1)
    10. And Yemen is following suit.
    11. Don't forget open class warfare breaking out in Wisconsin as the Governor there gives those greedy teachers what they got comin' to them. Next up, firefighters and police...

    So, by my estimate, we're right on schedule for release of DNF.

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  28. Re:Because it's fun? by N0Man74 · · Score: 2

    I second this. Borderlands wasn't a great game, but it was fun. It had many flaws, but it showed that this team has some potential. I at least hope that Borderlands 2 could

    With a sequel, I think it's completely possible that they could drop the ball and make a game that is pure rubbish... but I think there is at least a chance that they could polish their formula and make yet another amusing game.

    It also made enough of an impression on me that it made me think that these guys might be the right guys to pull off a Duke Nuke'em sequel.