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Duke Nukem Forever Multiplayer Mode Predictably Controversial
Gearbox Software has released some information about the multiplayer modes for Duke Nukem Forever, which is due out May 3rd (for real this time). In addition to standard deathmatch (called Dukematch), team deathmatch and a king-of-the-hill mode, there is "Capture the Babe," in which a typical CTF flag is replaced by a woman. Eurogamer explains it thus: "... when you grab the other team's babe, she sometimes 'freaks out.' The solution? Give her a gentle smack." Gearbox's Randy Pitchford, clearly understanding how politically incorrect this sounds, said, "You can get some things across in screenshots but not really. So we're kinda struggling with how we expose it so people understand what's there. The proof is in the pudding so to speak, so I don't want to talk about it too much."
When will you ever stop being awesome?
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The game is already done. All that needs to be done now is getting it "Gold," which means printed, discs pressed, etc.
So to answer your question, yes, they will stop wasting their lives on such a cliche project.
The capture the bimbo three way promises to be a popular mode.
... I hope when we capture the babe, he says "Hail to the King, Baby!"
This is ironic.
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Why would anyone want a sequel to that?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
"... when you grab the other team's babe, she sometimes 'freaks out.' The solution? Give her a gentle smack."
Reminds me of a quote from Sean Connery from his James Bond days..."Sometimes...you just have to hit a woman."
Personally...I think you should have to find a roll of duct tape to be able to take with you. That way...when you get her...you can duct tape her hands/feet together and put a strip across her mouth. Takes care of her fighting and keeps her quiet. What more can a man ask for...a submissive woman who can't gripe at you.;)
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There's just all sorts of "Wait, What" in this story...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
One of the best parts of Duke3d (along with many other classic FPSes) was the cooperative play mode. Leaving it out is bullshit; some people actually like to play these games with friends instead of against them.
Postal 2, I believe it was called "Capture the Snitch" or something like that,
He's not politically correct. He's in fact not correct at all.
Dammit, it's a friggin' GAME! OK? It's a GAME! Treat it as such. We're talking about a steroid-pumped, bubblegum-chewing, over-the-top cliché pseudo-hero. I wouldn't say it's suitable for 10 year olds (or other people of similar feeble intellect that could take a computer game serious like, say, certain politicians or a certain ex-lawyer we all love so much), but why should you have to apologize as a computer game company for making a corny game?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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Postal 2, I believe it was called "Capture the Snitch" or something like that,
Really? Cuz "Capture the Snatch" sounds a lot more interesting.
So, we're allowed to be politically incorrect?
I wonder how much they would make by launching DNF in Arab League states.
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So why is beating and killing prostitutes in GTA ok, but this some kind of travesty?
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The actual phrase goes "The proof of the pudding is in the eating."
Sexists and idiots, who would've thunk it??
At this point, it doesn't matter how much hate/love/controvery/whatever this brings: It brings publicity, and that's the point!
if you're gonna complain about cliches, at least focus on the present. duke is the exception, not the norm these days. what's wrong with a bit of male-archetype cliche? there's tons of 'girl power' moments in the media, making them a cliche stereotype in their own right. hell there are whole shows devoted to showing women in power, running everything, while the males are either kiss-up-captain-save-a-hos, criminals, or, some kind of sex abusers. oh right, I forgot, according to the feminist, male assertion of any kind = 'misogyny', but when females do it to males, it's 'empowerment.' I'm wonderin if the relatively recent intolerance towards the duke character has more to do with increasing gynocentricity and less to do with the drama surrounding the game's development. I say this because in the last few years I've noticed a lot of 'male chauvinist' critiques as a reason to diss the game. sure, they've always been there, even back in the 90s, but today, it seems like the most common complaint. Everyone knows there are far more pertinent attributes that can make a game suck.
The duke aint' PC.. that's what makes him cool. characters like this are the vaccine to the real-damage that the PC-shielding of ideology can do to society. it prevents critique of any kind out of "respect for others' feelings." I'm sure I"ll be modded down into oblivion for even suggesting this. oh well.
If you had to capture a guy and smack him, nobody would have said anything. In that case, Gearbox might even be blamed for not making the option of smacking a woman. So much for gender equality...
Postal 2 had capture the flag where you had to carry a hooker around as a flag. Not really controversial any more.
It's a game where you run around kill everyone - perfectly acceptable
Hit someone - How disgusting (pure double standards)
But the really really wrong bit, It is such a cheap publicity stunt. All BS and the offending bit will be removed when the story hits the mass media.
All violence is wrong. Not all men are tough like Duke, some are quite the opposite and aren't aggressive at all.
Your comment bothers me. Most people agree that violence against women is wrong. Those who don't will never change their mind.
But few people are even aware that thousands of men every day are abused by women. Lots of men are also bullied by other men, it happens in high schools, at work, in bars, at home... Games like Duke Nukem are 90% made of violence against males, reinforcing the stereotype that men are tough and aggressive and don't mind fighting whether they beat someone up or get beaten up.
If you think violence is wrong, fine. If you want to complain about it, fine. But please be fair and complain about the violence that most deserves complaints. And please treat men and women equally.
Also, I think it's misleading to say Duke is disrespectful of women. The girls in those games are whores who enjoy being treated like sex objects, not average, decent, self-respecting women.
Funny how women seem to enjoy a special, superior and privileged status in some people's minds. Funny how those who are so eager to defend women seem to judge them not on who they are as people but on who they are in terms of gender. In my opinion THAT is sexist.
Anyway, I think you should know nobody takes Duke seriously. Everyone knows he's a macho stereotype. People find Duke Nukem funny because they know what he does violates many social rules.
Uhh, it's a video game dude. Grow up.
There's a big difference between videogame violence in the form of combat against aggressors who will kill you otherwise, and videogame violence in the form of smacking a woman that is owned by the opposing team and you're trying to essentially kidnap.
So no, we can't treat men and women equally here, because they're not being represented equally. Men are the powerful, combative, playable entity, struggling for control over the arena, showing all the intelligence of whoever's holding the controller. Women are an item to be hoarded and, if necessary, beaten into submission. You really don't see the difference?
...that movies like Blazing Saddles need to become mandatory viewing. People as a collective need to lighten the fuck up, and learn to laugh a bit.
In the dickwolves controversy, the whole point of that joke was that rape was a bad thing, they simply used that to emphasise how dickish it was for the guy to leave them there to be raped. In this game, you are actively hitting a woman for refusing to let you, effectively, kidnap her. The game isn't showing someone else doing it so you can beat them down, this is an encouraged, rewarded gameplay action. Not the same.
The same people who pay to be beaten with a whip?
In this time and age of Political Correctness Ãoeber Alles, I am glad that some creative people still enjoy ruffling some feathers. That used to be common in arts, does anyone remember? Today, few artists dare upset the cocktail-drinking ladies in the galleries.
It wouldn't be Duke without stuff like this.
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Hell, half the fun of Duke Nukem is that it's making fun of so many non-PC cliches it's always one step short of achieving critical mass.
Please, live up to it, Duke...
I can't believe no games have done babe capturing. I didn't care about DnF before, but after reading that summary it sounds like an instant classic.
For the N64, there was a post-apocalyptic tank game. Each of the clans/tribes/groups were led by a woman because they were so rare. One of the types of multiplayer match types was to abduct her and take her back to your own clan/tribe/group. DNF is not the first technically, but she was effectively a flag, and not the lattice type.
Catch the Snatch. It's gotta rhyme or people won't remember it.
'Don't worry' said the trees when they saw the axe coming, 'The handle is one of us.'
Downloadable capture-the-babe game for PS3. If you haven't played Fat Princess, you're missing out.
Women are an item to be hoarded and, if necessary, beaten into submission.
Soldiers are an item to be hoarded and, if necessary, beaten into submission.
Of course, the first thing you must do to wage war is to dehumanise the enemy soldier in the eyes of your own soldiers. Then you make up for it by treating enemy non-combatants, cooperative or otherwise, with some faux reverence. It's been a thoroughly successful manipulation.
BattleTanks is the game/series you're thinking of. (They did at least 2, I played the 2nd one long ago when the console was still current, found a copy of the first one later when I bought an N64 on a nostalgia kick)
Borderlands was flawed (lame level scaling, inactive NPCs, weak story, etc) but it was fun as hell. I'd love to see a Borderlands 2 fixing those flaws but keeping the cool design and graphics, the quirky humor, the bazillion guns, and so on.
Like any game, it's not for everyone. But, Borderlands was awesome and you suck for not thinking so. :p ;)
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Yes. They made jokes about rape. Why should anyone care? As far as I know, only the people deemed 'insane' by society would be affected by such jokes so much that they would view rape as more 'okay' because of them. As far as I know, no one really believes that rape is okay just because someone (or themselves) make a few jokes about it. Many people murder others in video games for their own entertainment. Does this mean that if they murdered someone in real life they would feel the same way? Most likely not (not that they would even do that in the first place). They're fictional characters.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
It was "capture the baby" ;-)
The original Half-Life mod Science and Industry played like a CTF game. The "flags" were scientists, and you captured them by hitting them on they head with a briefcase and carrying them back to your base. What a fun game.
And Duke Nukem Forever is released before Half Like 2: Episode 3. Part of me is crying inside...
If women had the same status in society - the same pay, same chances of being attacked, the same future prospects, and the same level of domestic abuse that men have - you'd have a point. As it currently stands, it's far worse (in the terms stated above) to be a woman than a man, so it's not really unexpected for people to cry foul when someone does something that seems to suggest that imbalance is somehow acceptable. Pushed to more extreme positions, your argument carries the same logical weight that arguing for the Klan was fine during the civil rights movement would. "Hey! Black folks are all uppity about something, so why not white folks!"
I personally don't have a problem with Duke Nukem, but I'm not so arrogant as to wonder why other people do have a problem with it. Political correctness is not designed to protect people's feelings, but to stem the flow of people being inaccurate about other people, which admittedly is the source of a lot of bad feelings, but the correction of that is merely the result of the rational thinking introduced by being politically correct, and not the main aim. Don't think of it as "political correctness", but simply "correctness" or "accuracy in viewing other people".
Sorry if I sound like a jerk.
many don't
society is sick of sending cops to domestic violence scenes. therefore, society won't let troglodytes have games where there is violence against women. not because there is a definite connection, but simply because its insulting to all that society is working towards in terms of less violence towards women
so sorry assholes, deal with it, but your gaming needs, on a scale of importance of 1 to 10, ranks at zero, compared with some other agendas in the world, namely, less violence towards women and the need to teach people that it is wrong
most can understand that smacking a woman in a videogame does not mean it is socially acceptable. a few can't
no smacking women in videogames: i fully support that. deal with, "tough guy"
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
It made a lot of peoples Best of 2009 list, including mine. It wasn't made to appeal to the hardcore FPS crowd, it was made to appeal to a more general audience and a cross over hack 'n' slash rpg audience and it did a great job of it. Borderlands 2 is definitely sitting on the top of my most wanted list, right next to Diablo III.
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I have been Linux only for a very long time. I have Windows (in a VM) at work and a little Mac at home... I think it's time I did a little BootCamping on my Mac Mini so I can do this game.
I have an XBox360... two actually and so I might get this game there too. I can hardly wait. I haven't been interested in gaming for a long time, but there's enough nostalgia in this game that I think I will really enjoy it.
(I hope they actually port the old maps into this game as added content... I really loved the old Duke3D... yeah I can, and probably will play it under Linux again)
I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum.
No, no, it's: I'm here to kick ass or chew gum. An I'm all outta gum.
Everyone so far seems to be ignoring the most controversial bit in the multiplayer announcement.
In 2011, Duke Nukem Forever only supports eight-player multiplayer. EIGHT PLAYER multiplayer.
What does Gearbox think this is, the 90s?
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Most people agree that violence against women is wrong.
No, most people agree that violence against INNOCENT women is wrong (men too, for that matter). Cops beat down drunken, crazy women all the time. Soldiers shoot them if they're carrying a rifle or bomb. And if one of them is coming at you with a knife, I'm pretty sure you're not going to give her flowers.
You *DO* support women's equality, right? Because you sure sound like a sexist to me.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Imagine what Vent chat is going to be like for this game...
Apparently wizard is not a legitimate career path, so I chose programmer instead.
It's a pity there wasn't some way to take a short, playabale segment of the game and allow people to play that, so as to give a "demonstration", if you will, of what the full game is like.
No. You sound like a bitch.
Don't think of it as "political correctness", but simply "correctness" or "accuracy in viewing other people".
Accuracy my ass. Political correctness is all about sacrificing accuracy to make sure that nobody feels bad. Try telling someone that an incompetent woman got a good job because of her looks, and it's sexist. If that incompetent person is a minority, it's racism. This when it's a documented fact that handsome people are more successful and where affirmative action is actual policy. You simply cannot accuse anyone of incompetence unless they're white males. Accuracy would be looking at the record of their accomplishments, not their sex or color of their skin. But that's frowned upon.
Honestly, people assaulting other people (women or men) is completely inexcusable. Unless it's in a movie or video game. Do you know why? Because it's fake. Let's worry about real life and leave our Duke Nukem and James Bond fantasies alone, ok?
This is reason enough alone to buy the game, I always wanted to do that.
BattleTanx, actually. Not nitpicking, just want to make it a bit easier on anyone who wants to Google it.
We used to play the second one, Global Assault, quite a bit. Great friggin' game. Desperately needs a current-gen sequel. Not sure who owns the rights since the 3DO bankruptcy.
The few people who think it's okay because it's in a video game shouldn't be playing video games. That goes for any of the killing, mass chaos, and generally bad behavior that just about any video game is going to include, including misogynistic behavior like this.
The rest of us can differentiate between video games and reality, and we don't need to have our games sanitized. Halo would suck if we all made friends and had tea parties.
Of course, the first thing you must do to wage war is to dehumanise the enemy soldier in the eyes of your own soldiers. Then you make up for it by treating enemy non-combatants, cooperative or otherwise, with some faux reverence.
More than just that. One of the oldest and most successful ways of dehumanising the enemy soldier is to portray them as evil monsters that are attacking poor defenceless women (possibly even raping them), and then tell your own soldiers and male populace that it's their duty as men to fight and die to protect the women. Offering women and women's sexuality as a reward for the men that fight and survive is also common, though technically optional. This game seems to fit right into that pattern.
0.01% of the game playing public is ever going to pick up an RPG. 0% will meet aliens
however, 90% will be in a domestic situation some point in their life where physical violence crosses their minds
you know, you could, in fact, depict a man hitting a woman in media if that man gets a comeuppance for that behavior. but what you can't do is have a man hitting a woman, just for fun, without any consequences
society is trying to teach that men who hit women are wrong. we can't be loosey goosey with the message. we don't need media that goes against the lesson plan. society has an agenda to decrease domestic violence. many cops die responding to domestic situations, and it wastes a lot of their time, and your tax dollars. so society has very good reasons to look very disapprovingly on media that depicts a man hitting a woman without any consequences, just for a sight gag
because men hitting women is a huge social problem, not a silly sight gag. meanwhile, society really doesn't have a problem with guys running around firing RPGs at aliens. so that violent fiction, not a problem
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Ridiculous vehicle mode, only two weapons, extremely quick development time... This IS Borderlands 2.
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In the PS3 Download, Fat Princess its a basic capture the flag however, the "Flag" is a princess for which you make it harder to capture by feeding her cake, which as you guessed it makes her fatter, and thereby harder to carry.
And yes people protested this as well...
Well, it's a fortune pudding, containing a proof as fortune. :-)
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I personally know more relationships where the woman is the abusive partner. The difference is, in those situations the man suffers in silence (guess who always gets the kids, house, child support, and alimony after a separation).
Also, every job I've ever had in my entire life, the boss has been a woman. CEO is irrelevant - there's a lot more bias there than just gender. The person in the corner office has been a woman in every company I've ever worked for without exception.
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Women under the age of 30 in urban centers make more money than men. More women today are graduating with college degrees than men. This has been happening for years.
Basically, in places where the average man doesn't burn out his body working on a farm or in construction, women are making more money than men.
The feminist movement is over. They won. Women are now equal or superior to men.
It is time to end Title IX. It is time to bring education standards back up so that we can make sure little Johnny gets the same education little Suzie does.
Hoist Number One and Number Six.
No "gang bang" mode?
Yes, treating female characters as property IS offensive.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
lessee,
1. we got a coed-raping bond villain causing the downfall of half the governments in North Africa (remember him?)
2. the President of Egypt is forced out of office by mobs in the street enraged by #1
3. Charlie Sheen reveals himself as the Twelfth Imam to the world. He's also pyrokinetic and an indigo child. Probably sent from the future, too.
4. a record-breaking earthquake hits Japan
5. leading to a record breaking tsunami hitting Japan
6. leading to a record-breaking clusterfuck of a nuclear accident involving four reactors and numerous cooling ponds of radioactive waste -- in Japan.
7. Britain's having a royal wedding
8. Our Nobel Peace prize - winning President is bombing the shit out of Mohammar Ghadaffi in Libya, instigated, once again by J. Assange (see #1)
9. Oh yeah, whoever was in charge of Tunisia was chased out of office by Arab mobs (see #1)
10. And Yemen is following suit.
11. Don't forget open class warfare breaking out in Wisconsin as the Governor there gives those greedy teachers what they got comin' to them. Next up, firefighters and police...
So, by my estimate, we're right on schedule for release of DNF.
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*shrug* I got really good at the vehicles in Borderlands, almost as good as some games where driving is the primary point. I was always the designated driver in co-op.
It appealed to a lot of hardcore RPG types, including me and my sister (who would inject distilled Elder Scrolls into her veins if she could). I told her to stick to skooma.
The phrase is "the proof of the pudding is in the eating."
When will people stop being stupid?
Heh, good one. It looks like the upper hand is on the other foot, now!
Bow-ties are cool.
I'm sorry to let you in on this, but human beings don't work that way.
It's not the case that there's some bright line where sane people all understand that rape is always 100% wrong and only a handful of people with seriously broken brains would ever think otherwise. There are a lot of people in a grey area, who can be pushed one way or the other. It's why, for example, rape is routinely used as a tool of war: you can take an otherwise sane soldier, expose him to concentrated toxic memes, and create a rapist.
Similarly, you can take some gamer kid who does not believe that violence against women is ok, expose him to media that normalize beating up women, and create a batterer.
Will it be common? No, because that's one influence among many. Should we use force to silence odious media that normalize violent behavior? No. Should intelligent, thoughtful people who give a damn say "this is over the line, and we're going to criticize it"? Yes.
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It was actually just called "Snatch", and had a corresponding mode called "Grab."
Future events such as these may affect you in the future!
society is currently engaged in a many decade, ongoing effort to teach people things like drunk driving is wrong. domestic violence is wrong. do you know how many cops die breaking up domestic situations? how much time and money is wasted? your money?
Hm, you make a good point, we need to put a stop to this right away!
From now on, police should not respond to domestic violence complaints!
Bow-ties are cool.
Wasn't babe [re]capturing the entire premise behind Super Mario Brothers?
I can see the fnords!
GTA IV also had a mission where you captured some mobbed-up chick and took her hostage as well (the name of it escapes me, ATM).
Half the fun of Duke Nukem is that he's such an overdone stereotype. He takes the action hero archetype so far beyond its logical conclusion that you can't be offended by it because it's so ridiculous. Remember kids, guns don't kill mutants, I kill mutants!
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All they need to do is provide a local option that swaps models: The players become amazons (or valkyries, depending on your tastes) and the "flag babe" becomes "flag beefcake". See? Equal Opportunity Offender!
0.01% of the game playing public is ever going to pick up an RPG. 0% will meet aliens
however, 90% will be in a domestic situation some point in their life where physical violence crosses their minds
And 100% of them will be in some situation some point in their life where physical violence crosses their minds. So by that logic we should be having tea parties instead of playing Halo.
Thank you very much for your last sentence. When I first read that 0.01% of the game playing public would pick up a Role Playing Game, I thought that sounded a bit on the low side.
...look like Sarah Palin, and the politically correct liberals won't complain about it.
The amount of children that view/play violent media is likely staggeringly high. How many of them are actually insane enough actually imitate the violence and try it on others?
I know, right? Remember when we were kids, and we would always emulate looney tunes and drop anvils on neighborhood dogs that we had put on rocket powered roller skates? Oh, wait, THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
news flash: normal people don't get violent because they see violence. Mentally 'fragile' people are dangerous in any case.
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Ok, so women have commercials where guys are depicted as lovable dummies, some as wife-beaters, and most as bad-boy womanizers.
Men now have a game where the hero is portrayed as a rapist who kidnaps and beats women.
How are these two the comparable?
My source is IMDB for the quote from the film, which was then re-purposed into the game. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/quotes
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Ah, I see. Women who have gone through college (and probably have much more debt for it) are finally making more money than men who haven't. That's the conclusion from the article you linked. Well, bully for them. However if you account for education, women are still making 75% of what men do: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/Women_in_America.pdf. So forgive me for not celebrating yet.
I totally agree that it should be fine to make a non-PC game like this. Sounds funny to me. Don't be surprised that people are going to be offended by it, though.
And really, your little rant is a load of crap. And no, I am not a female. There are negative stereotypes and double standards on both sides. You are the one acting like that sad little victim in a harsh female dominated world. Give me a break. Just because good looking women don't pay attention to you doesn't mean that all inequalities have been solved. I mean "gynocentricity"? Come on man, wipe the Cheeto crumbs off your shirt, hit the gym, and maybe you'll land a date. This whole mentality of crying how hard it is to be male in this world is just hilarious. Seriously, if the world is "gynocentric", your are part of the problem with your wussy/complaining attitude. Act like a man and maybe you will be treated like one.
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So people who went through college make more money than people who don't. Big shocker there! There is no such thing as equality. There are always going to be advantage to being a male or a female in and out of the work place. This may shift over time to mean different things. But to say women have won and are equal or superior is just flat out stupid. You look at a few statistics and make the conclusion that the male-dominated world is over. I thought people on here were smarter than this fluff.
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I'm sorry to let you in on this, but human beings don't work that way.
I know. I don't care. I'm not going to let what appears to be an abysmally small number of idiots ruin freedom of speech/expression.
There are a lot of people in a grey area, who can be pushed one way or the other.
Where? Who are these people? Many humans are likely imbeciles, but I believe that most of them do think that rape is 'bad'.
Similarly, you can take some gamer kid who does not believe that violence against women is ok, expose him to media that normalize beating up women, and create a batterer.
Ah, but they won't turn into murderers by playing Grand Theft Auto? This, for some reason, only applies to rapists?
Will it be common? No, because that's one influence among many.
Then I don't care. Most people will be fine (even if they aren't very intelligent). If a few people abuse something, then that is not the fault of the media/object. It is their own fault. If everything were to be censored/banned because a few people could, theoretically, abuse it, then that would happen to nearly everything.
Should intelligent, thoughtful people who give a damn say "this is over the line, and we're going to criticize it"? Yes.
I disagree. I think these "intelligent, thoughtful people" that you mention are making a big deal out of an abysmally small portion of the population.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
No, the point is that women who go though college are making more than men who go through college. I'm sorry that contradicts your womyn's studies professor, but it is true. Further, women who have not dropped out of the workforce to have children are making more money than men.
It's over. The feminist movement is over. Women have achieved parity with men.
Hoist Number One and Number Six.
Cops beat down drunken, crazy women all the time.
No they don't. If they did they'd be brought to court and sentenced for abuse.
a sexist
I like how you've changed the word from an adjective into a noun. No dehumanization or prejudice there.
I thought people on here were smarter than this fluff.
I did too. I guess I need to spell it out.
You seem to misunderstand the concept of trends. The Y generation (or cohort if you like) is developing into the workplace. Low and behold, the women in this cohort are making more money than the men. This is the first time this has ever happened (Margret Mead's lies aside). Further, the women under the age of 30 (the Y cohort) are getting promotions faster than the men and they are earning increases in income faster than men.
The workplace has fundamentally changed. This needs to be addressed.
And I'll say further. The reason why the workplace has fundamentally changed is because we have handicapped boys rather than promoting girls. In the United States the form of feminism as implemented has not been pro-women, but rather it has been misandric. The implementation of the feminist standards has dumbed down the education demanded of boys to suit the demands of the feminist population.
Hoist Number One and Number Six.
I suspect your stats are misleading, gleaned from particular institutions with particular agendas and ideologies.. the only truthful thing one can say about discrimination is that:
1. it happens to everyone sometimes. deal with it. if it's institutionalized, you should be able to do something about it assuming the discrimination is based upon irrelevant attributes, regardless of what attributes are at issue. this is NOT what the current politics supports, though this is what's preached in their speeches.
2. all of the activist groups (especially the politically established ones) preach tolerance at the expense of liberty while practicing (lobbying for law) institutionalized bigotry towards the other side(s)
3. being 'uppity' about something does not mean the argument is wrong.. in the same way that blacks were being 'uppity' about their rights, the political movements which support them are dead set on ensuring that whites are held down. it's ok to build a school for poor non-white kids, but not poor white kids. it's ok to have a womens-only college, but forget about a men-only college. politicians find every loophole in the book to shut down one side, while openly ignoring grievous abuse by the other. all part of what political correctness does: prevent rational discussion, and most importantly, critique of ideas, solely to prevent 'offense' of others' 'feelings.' it's a dirty trick that's been around a long time..
Whoooooooooosh!
(unless Grab has a second meaning I'm unfamiliar with).
That would never sell. Women aren't big on sexualized violence.
Eight people, that's just perfect for couple's night! I feel so sorry for all the girlfriends who are going to have to pretend this is funny.
Duke is going to have talent points.
Your Ass? Your Face? What's the difference?
--Duke Nukem
Huh?