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Why Paywalls Are Good, But NYT's Is Flawed

GMGruman writes "The New York Times has taken a lot of heat for daring to start charging for its product. (What nerve! Imagine if grocery stores, phone companies, or even employees began charging for their wares!) But the problem, InfoWorld columnist Galen Gruman argues, is that its paywall is poorly designed. It encourages unpaid usage in massive quantities via Twitter and other feeds, undermining its very purpose, and it makes multiple-device mobile users — the growing population — pay more than anyone else. Both should be fixed. But the more troubling underlying issue is that the Internet has devalued content nearly to the point where the business reason to create it is disappearing. In mobile, there's a chance to fix that, but in the way is not just the Web's free-loader mentality but the pricing of carriers for data transport that take a larger chunk out of people's budgets than they should, making it that much harder for people to pony up for the value of the content they get through those carriers' pipes."

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  1. Hey check out this article... by AndyAndyAndyAndy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Paywalls fail.

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    1. Re:Hey check out this article... by AndyAndyAndyAndy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because you don't have to pay for it.

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    2. Re:Hey check out this article... by fastest+fascist · · Score: 2

      Newsday,com, the example used in that article, appears to have a "hard" paywall. You pay, or you don't see the content. NYT has one with many, many holes. The holes are so obvious I find it difficult to believe they are accidental.

      Perhaps the Slashdot mentality towards security is not conducive to understanding what NYT is doing. It's perfectly possible they never intended for the paywall to work 100% to keep people out. They just made it less convenient to access the content free of charge. Perhaps the inconvenience of circumventing the paywall is enough to get some people to pay for access. Others will find ways around it, and the NYT doesn't lose that much in terms of exposure via linking. Of course, they may just have created a new ecosystem of forwarder sites that make getting around the paywall easy. I think the question is, will people wanting to read NYT online go to nytimes.com, or will they make some forwarding site their go-to for NYT articles. If they get the balance of nuisance right, using third party services to read the material is enough of a hassle for many not to bother. If they get it wrong, few will bother with the site itself as a starting point any more. The success of the strategy depends on which way it turns out.

  2. devalued content by Toe,+The · · Score: 2

    the Internet has devalued content nearly to the point where the business reason to create it is disappearing

    ...or maybe we're just moving to an open content model (i.e., like FOSS). After all, information does want to be free.

    1. Re:devalued content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reporters need to eat, though.

    2. Re:devalued content by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Reporters need to eat, though.

      The reporters I've known used to eat and drink an awful lot on their expense accounts.

    3. Re:devalued content by ciderbrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You find me a decent reporter and I just may pay for a bit of news. The main stream is so full of sensationalist crap, it is no longer fit for purpose.
      You read things like "Tokyo's drinking water is 10,000 times above normal radiation levels". Then you look into the numbers and see that the amount is so tiny, you'd have to drink yourself to death just to get a radioactive blip.
      I say fuck em... It is not a pay wall. It is a wall to protect me from them.

      If you have any data / news for the surrounding lands of the Fukushima power plant please let me know.

    4. Re:devalued content by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except that's not true. You can go quite far by dispatching reporters to the scene of breaking news, but you really need somebody at the capital every day that congress is in session and somebody just hanging out at the various town halls of major cities in case something happens. And that isn't cheap, but if you don't do it, you're going to miss important stories on a fairly regular basis.

      Additionally, a lot of stories only come to light because of the competitive nature of the industry wanting to beat everybody else to the story so as to have something to rub their nose in.

    5. Re:devalued content by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, then the Reporters are wary of doing any reporting of anything negative of the sponsors.

      Why Top Gear America will never gain traction like Top Gear UK (aside from the hosts sucking). They simply can't be critical of car companies in the same way without the car companies threatening to pull advertisements for the entire network.

    6. Re:devalued content by by+(1706743) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...like Top Gear UK...

      Which is, incidentally, the best TV show...[long pause]...in the world.

      Sometimes I stand in front of the bathroom mirror and practice my Clarkson-in-the-world voice. Other people do that too, right?

    7. Re:devalued content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      In fairness, TV's not that way everywhere; in England, and the rest of the UK for that matter, the gov't taxes you for owning an operable receiver, and that money goes to the BBC, which is why they get Doctor Who and you get 500 mostly-crappy SF shows cancelled after one seaaon because they couldn't sell advertising due to crappy ratings. (Yes, I'm aware of Outcasts. And pissed off...)

      I'm not saying I like the tax model (I really dislike it strongly), but advertising's not the only option, and I dislike the shift from "selling content to viewers" to "selling eyeballs to advertisers" it engenders -- it incentivizes sensationalism in news and LCD pap in entertainment.

    8. Re:devalued content by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. Not every newsworthy item is quite as obvious as an island destroying tsunami. And even for big events, the best reporting is going to be done by people that have been on the ground, understand the issues, people, politics, geography and the myriad of other details that separates good reporting from Fox News. NYT does have articles like that. It does have reporters on the ground. And that costs lots of money.

      I had actually planned on getting a subscription, but I rather doubt I will unless they change it. They're charging for an premium product, but not really delivering. The separate charges for different devices is incredibly stupid. I rather suspect (since they have yet to mention it) that it will contain advertising. And I'm sorry, the NYT has pretty annoying stop action/ overly gaudy / overly large / Flash ads (when I turn off ad block, that is). And NYT breaks every browser that I've ever used (albeit with NoScript and Adblock).

      Maybe they will see the light, but I rather doubt it. I suspect that they will call it a success for a while then either collapse or change something.

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    9. Re:devalued content by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2

      Except that thus far, with the notable exception of Google no company has successfully made any significant amount of money off of advertising on the Internet. Yeah, You can probably make enough to cover the hosting costs on your blog from advertising. If you are popular (write well, provide useful content, update regularly, etc) you might even be able to make enough to cover your hosting costs and make a decent living off advertising. So far though, no one has found a formula that scales that to the New York Times level. It's pretty expensive to maintain a reporter in the white House Press Corps, a few guys in Iraq, a few more in Afghanistan, so more on standby to send to Japan or Libya, or where ever tomorrow's hot spot is.

      Most media sites initially tried to make their money off of advertising, it's only the continued failure of that model that is driving them to try something new.

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    10. Re:devalued content by Americano · · Score: 2

      And I think we can ALL agree that generating ad revenue is NEVER at odds with producing high-quality articles for people to read!

    11. Re:devalued content by isaaccs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How many reporters do you know? I happen to know one or two writers for the NYT that make a pittance of a salary. Yes, they get reasonable expense accounts. Most journalists in this country would be lucky to have *that*.

      And why do they get expense accounts? Why does anyone in any industry get an expense account? For one thing, it enables (in principle) the worker to perform their job better than they otherwise might. For a journalist, it's the opportunity to meet people over drinks and lunch, make connections, learn about things. You may consider this superfluous, but there are plenty of people who are willing to pay for journalism that realize it isn't.

      Second, the accounts are a perk, yes. And why shouldn't they be? News and journalism works in free-markets like everything else. In every sector, you have people who do mediocre work, bad work, good work, and amazing work. Companies and markets strive to compensate them accordingly. So if you're a top tier journalist, who's to say a company shouldn't offer you an expense account to do your job? You can argue again that it's a waste, but you'd better toe the same line when it comes to every other business sector under the sun.

      Journalists, editors, publishers, all are individuals who do potentially rough work (not in every case, but in some) that serves broader society in a way that is both practically relevant and creatively compelling. They deserve to be compensated, compensated well in some some cases, and not just by someone looking to make a buck off an ad placement on a blog.

    12. Re:devalued content by isaaccs · · Score: 2

      You're absolutely right. The amount of sensationalist and utterly pointless crap that passes for news these days is pathetic in main stream media. The New York Times isn't mainstream, and doesn't behave this way. Occasionally they get something wrong, yes. But every single day, they publish a paper that gives comprehensive insight into the world's affairs, written with clarity and which demonstrate the talents of arguably the world's best news journalists and writers. It's of huge value to our society, and it's worth paying for, not just via ads.

    13. Re:devalued content by sorak · · Score: 2

      You just cited a business model that no longer exists (free ad-supported TV) to defend a business model that NYT has been trying for ten years, while bashing them for moving away from that failed model...because you want them to try something new?

    14. Re:devalued content by sorak · · Score: 2

      Correction: no one who creates their own content has successfully made any significant amount of money off of advertising on the Internet. (I hate the FTFY meme).

      Google makes money indexing other people's content and selling ads because it can be done cheaply. Bloggers, like Arianna Huffington, can make money linking to other people's news content because opinion can be cranked out pretty fast (and because it is less difficult to throw 60 hours a week at linking to interesting news stories and videos)...

      But reporters, editors, fact checkers, etc cost money. It is hard to produce quality content than to link to it.

      Most media sites initially tried to make their money off of advertising, it's only the continued failure of that model that is driving them to try something new.

      Agreed. The biggest problem the media faces is that they have been trying this "innovative new business model" for at least a decade, and now people expect it.

    15. Re:devalued content by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 2

      Strange how Clarkson(who is a badge whore, no really, put a Ferrari prancing horse or a 3 pointed star in a plate of sick and he will claim it's the best plate of sick ever!) doesn't like the 911, but doesn't mock Lotus for doing essentially the same thing w/ the elise, elise S, exige, exige S, exige chipotle edition etc.

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    16. Re:devalued content by jbolden · · Score: 2

      Well actually I'd hedge that by saying the mainstream media didn't highlight those positions. If you go back they did report on them.

    17. Re:devalued content by jbolden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most likely what podunk news will become is this:

      a: is the uncensored official record from the town clerk searchable and indexed well. All the official statements and speeches and everything on the record.

      b: an official summary by the mayor, firechief, police chief, etc... or their appointed press people.

      c: blogger / critics. The guy who lost for mayor but goes to all the town council meetings, along with good disucssion.

      Now I ask you doesn't that sound a heck of a lot more informative than the podunk local newspaper.

    18. Re:devalued content by the_womble · · Score: 3, Interesting

      News and journalism works in free-markets like everything else

      But you do not want them to:

      Journalists, editors, publishers, all are individuals who do potentially rough work (not in every case, but in some) that serves broader society in a way that is both practically relevant and creatively compelling. They deserve to be compensated

      A free market system does not pay what is deserved, it pays for what there is demand.

      At the moment there demand is falling as consumers switch to free alternatives.

      People are quite happy to pay if the product is worth it: the Financial Times, The Economist, The New Scientist etc. have no problem getting people to pay because they have content that does not have a suitable free alternative, because they actually have a high quality product that is hard replace.

      Most newspapers do little investigative journalism, and largely reproduce press releases, government announcements, and whatever else they are fed. The net lets us bypass them and read the original.

  3. content production reasons declining? by peragrin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think blogs, and even facebook itself demonstrate very well that there will always be some content out there.

    The major news sites just have to revamp, and stop being centers for advertising but centers for content and the people will come back. when a 5 page web article only has 2 pages of actual content you have a serious problem in your layout designs.

    Besides paywalls are only good for only letting the people in who want to know your opinions. The rest of us know your opinions are just that and would prefer facts.

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    1. Re:content production reasons declining? by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but what is it really worth to you for that, and how many places will you go to to pay on a recurring basis for the news? Just processing and dispute resolution can easily suck up $5-$10 a month on an account. How many of those sites are you going to pony up for? If a large scale micropayment system existed, it might work, but there are still a lot of content creators or managers who feel that the smallest discrete chunk of material is worth $1-$2. That is, of course, unsustainable if you want people to read it every day. In that case, maybe $10 a month sounds reasonable. But if you read news from half a dozen or more sources, you're looking at a very large monthly outlay.

      On the flip side, it's been shown time and again that any population interested enough in a content pool to return on a regular basis for access also has a good demographic base for advertising. It will end up with advertising eventually, and you'll still be paying. And advertisers have the advantage of being a single source for collecting revenue. It's easy to charge them 1-10c/article, because you can guarantee you'll be getting them for 100,000 hits a month - much easier than tracking 100,000 individual accounts.

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  4. Point about Twitter is foolish and shortsighted by mattdm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The summary here seems to focus on a minor (page 3) point in the article, but, man, what a bad point it is:

    And the Times appears to be making a big mistake by letting people get unlimited access to its content if they come from Twitter and other feeds, apparently to not turn of the young-adult population. All that will do is perpetuate the free-loader culture and simply shift users to those conduits, turning them from grazers to firehose-feeders -- and undermining the whole notion of paying for frequent content usage.

    Silly. This isn't a "big mistake". It's quite canny — they're paying people (with access to content) for providing word-of-mouth advertising. The cost (an article read for free) is very low and the benefit (lots of visitors come by without being annoyed) is high. It's a good move.

  5. Opposite take: Paywalls bad, NYT's is good by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Paywalls are bad because they hide information behind a wall where search engines and casual users cannot reach.

    I think the NYT implementation is brilliant, because content will still be indexed by search engines, and users can get around the paywall in various ways so casual users need not really notice there is one much.

    Where the NYT is falling down is pricing, they should provide a pricing point that lets people who want to support the paper but not be so high that it encourages skirting. The the NYT would have a pay hedge, where you could see beyond it but be happy to pay a small fee at the ornamental gate to enter if you wanted to spend more time inside.

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  6. Just replace the word "information" with "porn" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, information (and porn) does not want to be free. That is a false premise.

    People want information (and porn) to be free. Or to be more precise, people want everything they personally use to be free. It's called self-interest.

    You just have to make information (or porn) worth paying for. That's hard to do when it's so easy to comparable information (or porn) for free elsewhere.

    Just replace the word "information" with "porn" in all arguments and you get rid of the false moral calls that "free information serves a higher purpose" which is just an excuse for not paying for the benefit you get from the information.

    1. Re:Just replace the word "information" with "porn" by pipatron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is it with you people that don't understand anything. "Information wants to be free" isn't some crap excuse for "lol I don't wanna pay". It means that it's fundamental for information that can be copied without loss to spread out, multiply, move around, and that you have to spend a lot of effort to prevent this unless you want it to happen. What you wish or not has nothing to do with it.

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    2. Re:Just replace the word "information" with "porn" by JWW · · Score: 2

      If banks could just make infinite copies of every dollar, yes, that would be the same thing.

      Of course my argument falls apart completely if you pay any attention to the shenanigans of the Federal reserve.

  7. The real issue is that it's overpriced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check out this comparison of digital subscription prices across different media:
    http://theunderstatement.com/post/4019228737/digital-subscription-prices-visualized-aka-the-new

    You'll notice that the NY Times is grossly overpriced.

  8. Confusing Exceptions by almostmanda · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This will fail because it's difficult for anyone to tell what links are going to work and what links won't.

    Post an article's link to your Twitter account? No paywall.
    Post it to your Facebook page? Paywall!
    Post it on your blog? No paywall!
    Send it in an email? Who knows!

    The rules are confusing. People operate on the assumption that if a link works for them, they can share it with everyone. This is going to result in a lot of frustration.

  9. Right Price by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I like the NYT content enough to pay a flat $5/month for all web access combined. If they would hit that "why not?" price they should get plenty of subscribers. Above that and I really ask myself if it is worth it. $35/month is getting close to cable TV pricing, so I don't know what they are thinking with that.

  10. How much is it worth? by fermion · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Right now a subscription to the physical paper cost abour $400 a year. To deliver to my house they have to pay a fee to transmit the paper to my local newspaper, and then pay my local paper to print and distribute the NYT. We can assume that this a non trivial cost. We can assume that some of the profit. We can also assume that what the papers are trying to fight are the falling ad revenues.

    What I can't understand is if the mobile version and web version still have ads, and the printing costs are eliminated, and distribution costs are all but eliminated, why they need to choose the $180 price point a year instead of the $99 price point. I can see $200 on the iPad, with more limited ads.

    It is the nature of an enterprise to try to maximize profit. The NYT, and The Daily, and WSJ, all are trying to maximize the value of a product. However, I can see publications like HufPo, using the overestimation of value of the other rags as an opportunity to put them out of business. I have no ill will for the NYT, I have subscribed to the digital editions when they were more reasonably priced. I think they will find few customers at this price point.

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  11. NYT content not cached in search engines by peter303 · · Score: 2

    They did a good job job walling off their columnists when that was a for-pay section a few back. You can request google to kep the reference, but not the full cache. A few pirate sites copied the NYT columns verbatim. But the NY was pretty effective in closing them down quickly.

  12. Two reasons by blair1q · · Score: 2

    1. NYT's paywall is a stupid hack that your dog could code around.

    2. Back when newspapers were necessary, users could afford to have one, maybe two newspapers delivered, unless money was no object (and those for whom money is no object are on the other side of the economy and don't matter to this side). So they got one and they read that one religiously. And it mattered which one they chose. For a marginal amount, you could get one that was better than all of the others. You could get the news you needed for the money you had, and you weren't living with second-best. So it was a deal. Now that everyone has free access to tens of thousands of news sources, nobody needs a paper. Everyone gets more news than they need, for free. So asking people to pay for it is like asking them to pay for bottled air. Sure you'll find a few suckers, and connoisseurs, and emphysema victims or others who are dependent on your exact product, but the rest will think you're just plain nuts.

    And at this point, even if ever professional news organization on the planet went to a paywall system, people would crowd-source their information, and the only way to keep the crowd from supplying it is for the news organizations to pay significantly for information from principal sources in the crowd. But we're a ways off from that sort of global social whoredom.

  13. Buggy NYT iPad App by opusbuddy · · Score: 2

    Read all the reviews on the AppStore about how buggy the NYT iPad app is. It would be fraudulent to put the NYT behind a paywall with an app that crashes all the time. In addition, you are already "paying" for the service by virtue of all the terribly intrusive advertising you have to undure (I had an audio file just start playing on its own while I was reading an article one day...that was the straw that broke the camel's back and I uninstalled the app). Customer service was useless, editor, ombudsman and publisher were even less interested in how their customers were perceiving the NYT as viewed through their app.

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  14. Re:devalued content vs mediocre content by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd vaguely consider paying for really really good news and analysis -
    But we need a heavily honest rating service that rates the content as useful.
    A 7 page Economist article might get a 9 out of 10, while the ehow SEO'd stuff would be a 2.

    Google is just starting to move in this direction re: their recent backlash against "content farms".

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