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Ma Bell Stifled Innovation, AT&T May Do the Same

An anonymous reader writes "AT&T recently announced it plans to acquire T-Mobile to create the largest wireless network in the US. If the deal is allowed to complete, it will create only three major players in the industry with Verizon being a close second and Sprint being a distant third. Sprint, along with consumer rights groups, have already cried foul. They argue that AT&T's proposed acquisition will stifle competition and innovation."

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  1. Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ever heard of "Bell Labs"?

    1. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by GKThursday · · Score: 3, Insightful

      C

      That's something we'd really miss if they left. . .

    2. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by jrmcferren · · Score: 5, Informative

      I can name two really quick. Transistors and UNIX.

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    3. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by Zerth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ever try to buy a 3rd party phone back in the day without paying an extra monthly fee for the privilege of hooking it up to the Bell system? Or buy a phone at all, for that matter, instead of leasing it for an exorbitant monthly fee?

      That kind of shenanigans paid for all that innovation.

    4. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's a compiled list from a linked website. URL below.

      Data Networking

      Since the transmission of the first facsimile in 1925, Bell Labs has explored ways to use networks to deliver more than just voice traffic. In the late 1940s, researchers demonstrated the first long-distance remote operation of a computer by connecting a teletypewriter in New Hampshire with a computer in New York. Throughout the '80s and '90s, Bell Labs worked to increase modem speeds and pioneered the first trial of Digital Subscriber Line (DSL) technology. Today, DSL is becoming a popular way to transform regular copper phone lines into high-speed data connections, giving consumers faster access to the Internet.

      The Transistor

      Developed in 1947, as a replacement for bulky and inefficient vacuum tubes and mechanical relays, the transistor revolutionized the entire electronics world. The transistor sparked a new era of modern technical accomplishments from manned space flight and computers to portable radios and stereos. Today, billions of transistors are manufactured weekly.

      Cellular Telephone Technology

      In a paper in 1947 Bell Labs was the first to propose a cellular network. The primary innovation was the development of a network of small overlapping cell sites supported by a call switching infrastructure that tracks users as they moved through a network and pass their call from one site to another without dropping the connection. Bell Labs installed the first commercial cellular network in Chicago in the 1970s. Since then Bell Labs has continued to innovate in the wireless area, recently creating digital cellular telephone technology offering better sound quality, greater channel capacity, and lower cost.

      Solar Cells

      While there were theories and activities to harness the sun’s energy dating back to the 1800s, Bell Labs, in 1954, was the first to actually build a device that used the sun’s power to create practical amount of electricity.

      Laser

      The invention of the laser, which stands for “Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation,” can be dated to 1958 with the publication of a scientific paper by Bell Labs researchers. Lasers launched a new scientific field and opened the door to a multibillion-dollar industry that includes applications in medicine, communications, and consumer electronics.

      Digital Transmission and Switching

      In 1962, Bell Labs developed the first digitally multiplexed transmission of voice signals. This innovation not only created a more economical, robust and flexible network design for voice traffic, but also laid the groundwork for today's advanced network services such as 911, 800-numbers, call-waiting and caller-ID. In addition, digital networking was the foundation for the convergence of computing and communications.

      Communications Satellites

      Bell Labs was the pioneer in communications satellites. In 1962 it built and successfully launched the first orbiting communications satellite (Telstar I). Telstar was unique in that it had the ability to receive a signal, amplify it, and then transmitted it back to elsewhere on earth . . . which is, after all, the core of what a communications satellite does. This technology allowed telephones calls to be bounced from coast to coast and around the world. The satellite was powered by Bell Labs solar cells and transistors – two other Bell Labs pioneering inventions.

      Touch-Tone Telephone

      First introduced by Bell Labs in 1963, touch-tone replaced rotary dials. This ushered in a new generation of telephone services and capabilities including voice mail and telephone call center applications. In a recent survey of Americans, touch-tone dialing was named the most important business communications advance of the last century.

      Unix Operating System and C Language

      The Unix operating system and the C programming language, closely intertwined in both origin a

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    5. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by MadKeithV · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, there's that, but what else has Bell ever done for us?

    6. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by Virtucon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, the detection of the Background Radiation Signature from the Big Bang.

      Bell Labs also didn't stifle innovation, they created lots of things that affected people's lives. The Buisness side of AT&T ran it as a pure monopoly and that's why we had a huge anti-trust case leading to the breakup of AT&T originally. Now we have the divested baby bells buying up the parent (SBC buying AT&T and then becoming the new AT&T) but in reality having three carriers for Wireless in this country is a bad thing.

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    7. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by fatherjoecode · · Score: 2

      Not positive, but I think MadKeithV was paraphrasing Life of Brian:

      "All right. But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health... What have the Romans ever done for us?"

    8. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by Kenshin · · Score: 3, Funny

      We got transistors from the alien craft that crashed at Roswell.

      Don't they teach you anything in school?

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    9. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 2

      And AT&T gave us C++

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    10. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by travisb828 · · Score: 5, Informative

      That AT&T died in 2005 when it was bought by SBC. The new AT&T is SBC with the AT&T name, and Bell Labs was spun off in 1996 by the original AT&T to become Lucent. Lucent was then merged with Alcatel to become Alcatel-Lucent. Meanwhile the Bell Labs Holmdel Complex is sitting vacant.

    11. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just because they produced some innovative ideas (and they did, which I don't want to marginalize) does not mean that they didn't stifle innovation from others through anti-competitive practices. Otherwise, we could make the same argument of any monopoly that has an R&D department, even as they're squashing all of the innovative startups that have ideas which would completely change the game.

    12. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      I worked for AT&T labs (some of the old bellcore guys) and at least as of 10 yrs ago, they were broken up for all intents and purposes. no more hires, reqs went away and people just plain left. huge brain drain.

      bell labs does not exist in any real sense anymore. hasn't for well over a decade or even more.

      telcos are NOT innovating anymore. well, unless you mean stealing money from us for 'texting' which costs them exactly $0.00.

      oh and the spying. they are highly into DPI. perhaps that's a 'kind of innovation' (rolls eyes).

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    13. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 2

      And it's been 30 years since they've done anything useful. Those base inventions don't make up for the amount of consumer abuse that they have caused, or will cause if this deal goes through.

      The Bell System divestiture, or the breakup of AT&T, was initiated by the filing in 1974 by the U.S. Department of Justice of an antitrust lawsuit against AT&T.[1] The case, United States v. AT&T, led to a settlement finalized on January 8, 1982

      It's been 37 years since the antitrust case was filed, and just over 29 years since it's conclusion. I'll assume you are smart enough to put together why funding for R&D disappeared around that time period.

    14. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by ChiRaven · · Score: 2

      Or maybe the cellular telephone? I served briefly on the product team that introduced cellular telephony to this country, at Illinois Bell, back in the 1970's.

    15. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by s73v3r · · Score: 2

      Here's the question: Bell Labs did some pretty awesome shit, there's not really any debating that. However, in order to fund some of that shit, AT&T themselves engaged in some very dickish, anti-competitive behavior. Stuff like only being able to use their phones, leased from them at high rates. Now, there's no question in my mind that, given the opportunity, the new AT&T would be more than willing to do more of the same, only in the wireless market. The question is, would we also expect to see a similar level of innovation out of a new "Bell Labs" type R&D department, and would it be worth it?

    16. Re:Ma Bell Stifled Innovation? by metamatic · · Score: 2

      And AT&T gave us C++

      Unforgivable.

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  2. Teddy Roosevelt is rolling in his grave by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That it's even an open question shows how far from actual trustbusting we have gone.

    Even as a libertarian, I see this, just as all democracies (as opposed to republics) devolve, so does uncheck capitalism - always in the direction of corporate socialism (rent-seeking, bailouts, etc.)

    1. Re:Teddy Roosevelt is rolling in his grave by Americano · · Score: 2

      It is easy enough to reason and conclude that the natural end product of a free market always will be a monopoly.

      No, it's not easy enough to reason & conclude this, please walk us through your reasoning. I fail to see how the inevitable "natural result of a free market will always be a monopoly."

    2. Re:Teddy Roosevelt is rolling in his grave by arth1 · · Score: 2

      What prevents a big company from either buying a smaller one, or using its greater resources to artificially lower prices until the competition is gone?
      The most profitable company is one that has cornered the market and can set the price as high as they want, not one that has competition. So it's becomes a natural race to reduce competition. At first through cartels and oligopolies, later by swallowing up the competition.

      When I lived in Europe, there wasn't a free market, so I had choice. I had 100/10 Mbps internet for less than a third of what I pay for 1.5/512 here. I had mobile phone with close to 100% geographical coverage, yes even on mountain tops, with free incoming calls and a cost again less than a third of here. Because we had choice, because the market was regulated.
      Her in the US, I don't have much choice at all. And prices are way higher, for far more basic products. Because here, the free market and irrational fear of government intervention allows monopolies and oligopolies to form.
      So they do.

  3. on the other hand by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Stuff never broke, you knew that your neighbor wasn't getting a better deal, and you didn't have to worry about sevrice or dropped calls; ma bells team of engineers and workers kept stuff running smoothly
    And, as anyone who travels abroad knows, the supposed "benefits" of competition don't seem so good: in those awful socialist countrys like france, they have, and have had for many years, superior telecoms.
    Of course, when the CEO of Verizon makes 18 or 20 million dollars a year, he has an incentive to hire (on Verizon's nickel) economists and journalists to tell the world how great competition and the unbridled capitlism are...

    1. Re:on the other hand by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Funny

      US wireless providers are to competition what diarrhea is to shit. It may be competition, but it's not particularly healthy.

  4. Monopoly? by WonderingAround · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Canada you have a lot more choice in providers, most of the American companies are available as well as Rogers and Bell, i guess it's just better, like our healthcare...

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  5. "Argue" by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whats there to be argue. if there is a SINGLE provider monopoly in a nation, more than innovation is stifled. Not even right wing economists argue against that anymore.

    1. Re:"Argue" by Unkyjar · · Score: 2

      I think your facts might be slightly off. Quick check on the Wiki page says that:

      Magnetic tape was invented for recording sound by Fritz Pfleumer in 1928 in Germany...This invention was further developed by the German electronics company AEG, which manufactured the recording machines and BASF, which manufactured the tape.

      The article linked in the story says

      In 1934, a scientist for the company [Ma Bell] named Clarence Hickman built a voice answering machine that could record a callers audio message on a magnetic tape.

      So it seems that Ma Bell had one of their researchers build such a machine, but I can't see anyone crediting him with inventing the device.

      And of course the article goes on to state:

      After coming to this conclusion, Ma Bell shut down all research in magnetic recording tapes, concealed Hickmanâ(TM)s research, and actively discouraged the use and development of this technology by others.

      I don't know how accurate that is, but it does appear that Ma Bell has at least worked against the development of magnetic media and their associated devices.

  6. T-Mobile is the only provider ... by querist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    T-Mobile is the only provider that I've found in the USA that does not truncate the high bit on text messages. I can send text messages in Chinese and Japanese with my unlocked iPhone on T-Mobile. AT&T and Sprint clip the high bit. I hope AT&T won't screw up T-Mobile's network.

    1. Re:T-Mobile is the only provider ... by revlayle · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is kind of like saying "I hope Darth Vader doesn't force-choke me"

    2. Re:T-Mobile is the only provider ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      To be fair percentage wise only a very small number of Imperial Officers got force choked.

  7. Trustbusting? by srussia · · Score: 2

    That it's even an open question shows how far from actual trustbusting we have gone.

    Maybe the problem is too much trustmaking (restricted licensing, monopoly granting, etc.)

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  8. Re:have things really got worse over last 20 years by JLennox · · Score: 2

    >> i remember the days when we had a dozen cell carriers in the US. expensive service, crappy reception almost everywhere you went. as the competition dried up we've had prices drop and better phones come out.

    My first computer ran Doom like a slide show and cost $3,000. I bought an iPod Video for $40 recently, with hacked firmware it runs Doom smoothly. This is the result of technology progressing, not with removal of competition.

    I had Comcast cable internet for around 5 years because there was nothing else but even worse DSL in my area. They gave me 50kbytes/s upload and 750kbyte/s download. 2 months before Verizon installed FiOS lines in my area the upload jumped to 200kbyte/s and the download to 1.5mbyte/s.

    Hotmail gave you 10mb disk space for eons. Gmail came out then Yahoo and Microsoft had to change.

    As long as there is competition, even if it's just 2 mega-corps battling it out, companies can not sit still and must continue to innovate/advance.

  9. Government stifles innovation by darjen · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:Government stifles innovation by darjen · · Score: 2

      You should read the whole paper. It addresses that thoroughly.

      Could you please name some natural monopolies that were not formed/assisted by the government?

    2. Re:Government stifles innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's because that Mieses guy has 10 outlets on every wall, each with a little display of what electricity would cost that second for whatever was plugged in there. His shower has three faucets and a lever that switches the hot water heater between gas lines. He can't be reached by phone unless you're lucky enough to know which phone line he's got his phone plugged into that day.

      And he's That Guy who doesn't watch TV, so he doesn't give a damn about cable.

      Clearly he knows a thing or two about not having natural monopolies.

    3. Re:Government stifles innovation by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Informative

      The assertion that the Bell System was an "unnatural" monopoly is a bit of a straw man, nobody claims that AT&T came to run the whole system on its own. What's remarkable is that between Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt most of the progressive/populist pressure on the government was to nationalize the telephone system, as has been done in just about every other jurisdiction of the Earth. FDR rejected this, ironically considering his reputation today, and instead chose the cartel solution, such that there was still a nominal "private" company running the phone system for a profit, while it was protected from competition enough to do all the things the nationalized carriers were doing, like undertaking huge capital expenditures on undersea cables and trunks, and expanding telephony to rural areas where wired telephone service has never been profitable.

      Where all of these critiques fall flat is in the rigid line drawing around acts of corporations and the acts of state. A sufficiently influential company possesses statelike powers in any real-world society, and will always try to meld government policy to its design; any government powerful enough to defend property rights will perforce have the power to decide what is and what is not ownable, and this power will always be drawing arbitrary lines protecting business plan X from business plan Y. This is unavoidable and arguing as if this is "unnatural" is a bit of a con.

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    4. Re:Government stifles innovation by darjen · · Score: 2

      As it was explained in those papers, they did nationalize the telephone system during WW1.

      Companies that possesses statelike powers in real-world society ultimately come from being cozy with the state itself. Not from the economic excuse given as so-called "natural" monopoly. That is why they are calling it an unnatural monopoly.

      From the second paper:

      The telephone monopoly, however, has been anything but natural. Overlooked in the textbooks is the extent to which federal and state governmental actions throughout this century helped build the AT&T or "Bell system" monopoly. As Robert Crandall (1991: 41) noted, "Despite the popular belief that the telephone network is a natural monopoly, the AT&T monopoly survived until the 1980s not because of its naturalness but because of overt government policy."

      Indeed, a chronological review of the industry's development produces an indisputable conclusion--at no time during the development of the Bell monopoly did government not play a role in fostering a monopolistic system. Adherents to the old school of thought correctly point out that AT&T attempted to restrict competition throughout this century. Yet, this fact is irrelevant. Every business logically tries its hardest to exclude competitors. What is more important, and widely ignored, is exactly how federal and state government actions encouraged the Bell monopoly to develop during the early years of this century. Once the government allowed this monopoly to develop with its assistance, AT&T's strength could not be matched by any competitor, resulting in a monopolistic market structure that survived well into the 1980's.

      You should read the rest of the details given after that.

    5. Re:Government stifles innovation by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

      Your first link states, without citation, something that's just plain misleading:

      There is no evidence of the "natural monopoly" story ever having been carried out- of one producer achieving lower long-run average total costs than everyone else in the industry and thereby establishing a permanent monopoly.

      While technically true, the primary reason why the permanent monopoly has never happened is that governments have stepped in to break up the monopoly. For instance, Standard Oil was at 88% market share and climbing when antitrust suits started heading its way. Or Intel, who is extremely close to eliminating its only major competitor, AMD.

      Or, in this instance, what happened to the Baby Bells - shortly after the breakup, they started buying each other up. Assuming that they all did so rationally, one has to assume that the optimum number of phone companies (from a market standpoint) is no more than 3.

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  10. The example in TFA is just silly by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article claims that Bell stifled innovation by choosing not to bring an invention made by a company employee to market, in this case magnetic tape audio recording. That's such an overblown reading of the event that it's laughable. Companies create ideas all the time they decide not to productize because they're not really in their core business, because they fear (rightly or wrongly) that they'll will have a negative impact on that core business. In this case it was both.

    In any case, magnetic audio tape was invented in Germany in the prior decade, and magnetic wire recording technology had existed since the 1890s and was widely commercialized in the 1920s.

    On the other hand, in Ma Bell's tenure we had the development of Unix, computer networking, and satellite telephony, in which the company paid key roles. The break-up of the Bell System was motivated in part by the hypothesis that competition would bring new technologies like digital telephony (in this case ISDN) to market faster. While nobody can say what would have happened without the break up, on that goal at least the break up could not be called a success.

    The result of the break-up wasn't rapid technological innovation; it was price competition. That was a good thing. By in large the AT&T monopoly worked very well, within the expected limitations of any such regulated monopoly. We had *excellent* telephone service for the era, but it was much more expensive than it might have been. Under the covers it was quite technologically advanced. Ma Bell designed the multiplexed digital transmission system (the T Carrier system) that is still used in North America today back in the 1950s, and did early deployments as early as 1961. The commercial adoption of the Internet occurred a decade after the break up of the Bell System in 1984, but it was based on the T Carrier system and its refinements, all designed and implemented by the Bell system in the 60s and 70s, *before* the break-up.

    Which is not to say that monopolies are necessarily a good thing. It was good that the break up lowered long distance prices. Nor are such monopolies always technical successes (BT comes to mind). It is even possible that the columnist is right, and that the Bell System *did* somehow stifle innovation, despite the historical fact of all the innovations it brought to market as a monopoly. The problem is his argument, which is pure, ignorant BS.

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    1. Re:The example in TFA is just silly by amper · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As someone who did a lot of work in the early-mid 1990's helping to commercialize the Internet, I have to say that I must respectfully disagree.

      AT&T, as they were constituted, had a very long history of secrecy and obstruction of technological innovations reaching the general marketplace. Let me ask you this, have you ever seem any non-Ma Bell publicly available books prior to the 90's describing how T circuits work? No, you haven't, because they didn't exist. This information was guarded very carefully by AT&T as proprietary information and as trade secrets. Very, very few people understood how these things worked back then, and most of those were former AT&T and Baby Bell employees.

      Did Bell Labs create new things? Sure they did, just the same as Xerox's Palo Alto Research Center created things, and IBM's T.J. Watson Research Center created things. The difference was, AT&T had a government protected monopoly and used their monopoly power to stifle competition, so they kept all these things in-house. The other guys only dropped stuff that they didn't feel had commercial potential, and they weren't monopolies, anyway. It wouldn't have mattered if other companies came up with technological innovations in telecommunications, unless they thought they could sell them to AT&T, because they wouldn't have be able to commercialize them with AT&T controlling the market. The real advantage of the break up was not price competition, but that AT&T had to start sharing the market with other companies, and because of that, they were forced to let other companies know how to make their systems interoperable with the existing infrastructure.

    2. Re:The example in TFA is just silly by hey! · · Score: 2

      And you expect a non-monopoly to be more open about its technology?

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  11. Re:But..... by alostpacket · · Score: 2
    I agree with your last point but the "T-mobile has no 4G spectrum" is just a PR talking point from the merger slides. T-mobile does have extra spectrum and was providing HSPA+ on it which was faster than most of the competitors and had potential for 42Mbps -- clearly fast enough to compete. 4G/3G (now marketing terms) doesnt (in general) require specific frequency either AFAIK (other than not overlapping other frequencies/and providing a large enough band). So there is no specific "4G spectrum" rather there is just spectrum and the different technologies.

    In our conversation, Ray noted there is a very good chance that U.S. consumers will be disappointed by the LTE roll out, mostly because Verizon and AT&T don’t have enough spectrum.

    “Our competitors are launching LTE in fairly limited bandwidths of spectrum,” he pointed out. “So, 10 to 20 megahertz of LTE spectrum doesn’t give you a significant benefit in any manner, or form, from a performance perspective over and above HSPA+.”
    ...
    “We have clean, uncluttered, untouched spectrum that we can leverage to support growth in smartphones and other devices into over the coming months and years,” Ray said. T-Mobile USA, he continued, has used only about a third of about 6030 MHz of spectrum it acquired for roughly $2.64 billion in the 2006 AWS auction. This gives them ample room to upgrade to 42 megabit per second capability next year, Ray pointed out.

    From: T-Mobile USA CTO Disses AT&T, LTE and WiMAX

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  12. Nit by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Informative

    The company called "AT&T" is not, was not, and has only a tenuous relationship with the entity "Ma Bell," American Telephone a Telegraph. The company called AT&T is actually the old SBC, Southwestern Bell Communications, one of the RBOCs, that took over AT&Ts name and trademarks after buying the AT&T Corporation in 2005.

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  13. Some numbers by kyle5t · · Score: 2

    The FTC uses the Herfindahl index to evaluate market competitiveness. Using just the top 5 carriers (the big four and Tracfone), the current index is 1810 (market share data from here).

    'According to the DOJ-FTC 2010 Horizontal Merger Guidelines, the agencies will regard a market in which the post-merger HHI is below 1500 as "unconcentrated," between 1500 and 2500 as "moderately concentrated," and above 2500 as "highly concentrated." A merger potentially raises "significant competitive concerns" if it produces an increase in the HHI of more than 200 points in a moderately concentrated market or more than 100 points in a highly concentrated market. A merger is presumed "likely to enhance market power" if it produces an increase in the HHI of more than 200 points in a highly concentrated market.'

    So by their own definition this merger will raise "significant competitive concerns" since the HHI will increase by 650 points to 2460. With all the other little guys added in, it is fair to say that the final number would be more than 2500, i.e. "highly concentrated."

  14. Resist the Merger by sneakyimp · · Score: 2

    I'm a T-mobile customer with a Nexus S phone that I bought 2 weeks ago. I have learned that my phone won't work on the AT&T network -- at least not for data. That phone cost me over $600 with tax and accessories. It's supposed to take awhile for regulatory review and there's supposed to be some phase out period blah blah blah but I'm losing roughly half of the useful life of my phone -- and I'm the kind of guy that hangs onto my gadgets for a long time so this pisses me off. I cannot switch to another provider in the US because there will be no other GSM provider. If I choose a CDMA provider then my phone won't work abroad.

    More importantly, my bill right now for unlimited minutes and 5GB of data per month (one GB more than AT&T's top-of-the-line data plan) plus 400 text messages is a mere $95 per month -- and that's the whole bill taxes and all. I'm not sure how much that'll go up because when I called AT&T to inquire about rates, the poor girl on the phone couldn't figure it out due to the byzantine service options/restrictions imposed by management. From the information I did get, I believe I can expect this to increase to anywhere between $125 and $150 *before* taxes.

    T-Mobile is the low cost leader in our phone market. They provide excellent customer service. The were the first to offer an Android phone. AT&T was the last. For those who moan about big government hampering business, I invite you to prepare yourself to deal with the bureaucratic nightmare that AT&T will become. When you are only one of 130 million customers, dealing with your phone company is going to make a trip to the DMV feel like a vacation.

    And by the way, I've been to AT&T's headquarters in New Jersey. I attended a business meeting there in the mid 90's as a management consultant. The building was in the middle of a *private golf course* left over from the monopoly days when a long distance call cost around a dollar a minute. The so-called strategists that we met with had no clue what the Internet was all about. In those days, the only reason AT&T was making money was because they had millions of aging customers who didn't realize that they could switch to a different long distance provider and slash their bill by roughly 75%.

    This merger sucks for all of us except the fat cats at the top of AT&T and T-Mobile.

  15. Well DUH! by p51d007 · · Score: 2

    Of COURSE innovation will go down. As someone who remembers the old ma-bell days....when they came out with a phone that WASN'T any color but black, people thought it couldn't get any better than this! Once Ma-Bell was split, we had these neat things that came along. Cordless (landline) phones, answering machines, voice mail, pagers (that were affordable!) and in the late 80's bag phones and then the Motorola brick! The rest, is history. Once at&t gobbles up t-mobile (and they will...they've greased enough palms), even though they say they won't, you can bet Verizon will throw a ton of money at Sprint to get them. Sprint's CEO says he wouldn't sell, but, you know 99.9% of the people will take the money and run. Once you have Verizon & at&t as the only companies providing wireless service, they can come up with a new gadget every once in a while, but with the bulk of people on contracts anyway, you won't get the churn like you did when there were a dozen wireless providers, not to mention the cool whiz-bang devices to use. Two things will happen, to say the least. 1. Prices will go up 2. Service will go down