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FCC Giving Away Wi-fi Routers For Broadband Tests

An anonymous reader writes "The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) will be giving away 10,000 Wireless-N routers as part of their program to perform a number of broadband tests, for the benefit of a better connection in the future. They are striving to work on improving a number of issues including latency, packet loss, connection speeds and much more."

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  1. First post! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do I win a free router?

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    1. Re:First post! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well if the news is only reaching us now, that should tell them that the latency is pretty bad...

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  2. $50 for your privacy by jimbolauski · · Score: 5, Funny

    My privacy is worth much more then a crappy router that will accidentally send all my browsing information.

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    1. Re:$50 for your privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My privacy is worth much more then a crappy router that will accidentally send all my browsing information.

      They're the Feds. If you won't turn your browsing activity over for a free gadget, they'll just go to ATT and get it from them.

    2. Re:$50 for your privacy by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Informative

      My privacy is worth much more then a crappy router that will accidentally send all my browsing information.

      So... What type of sites do you browse that you don't care for the feds to know about? Anime Tentacle Porn usually isn't illegal, you know...

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    3. Re:$50 for your privacy by Askjeffro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I find it cute that you believe you have privacy as it is.

    4. Re:$50 for your privacy by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, the FCC is sending out routers to ten thousand random people because the FCC wants to spy on, uh, ten thousand random people. The government is out to gitcha! RUN! Fucking moron. The government does tons of terrible shit, like giving all the wealth generated by the middle class to about 400 well connected guys, but guess what? This is not one of those terrible things. When you act like a paranoid schizophrenic, and tell everyone the government is ALWAYS out to screw EVERYONE over, ALL THE TIME, you are doing the work those 400 well connected guys want you to do. They want everyone to mistrust the one thing, the only thing that can possibly stop them: the power of people working together, i.e. government. So thanks for that. You do know that even if you were to fellate them 24/7 for the next fifty years, they won't let you into their little club, right?

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    5. Re:$50 for your privacy by misxn · · Score: 2

      My privacy is worth much more then a crappy router that will accidentally send all my browsing information.

      Your local grocery knows more about you than the government.

    6. Re:$50 for your privacy by Ambiguous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So... What type of sites do you browse that you don't care for the feds to know about?

      All of them.

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    7. Re:$50 for your privacy by yeshuawatso · · Score: 2

      I received my router from SamKnows back in January. I connected the thing through a spare Linux box, and set it up as a free and open wifi access point for the apartment next to me. I then sniffed all the packets going into and out of this connection to see if they were truly using the router to collect information on the volunteers. No dice. This router accesses the SAME urls, protocols, and IP addresses every day, most of the data being openly available to view; RTP streams are garbage from what I can tell. Not once did I see information being uploaded that was content from the apartment complexes browsing habits. The only strange behavior the router exhibited was when five or more clients were connected, the router would perform some speed test; even that's not too strange as it's testing the internet performance when the connection is stressed.

      Furthermore, the information the router provides is exceptional. It really does a thorough test of the connection and the website to view the data is designed very well, utilizing a slew of my favorite FLOSS JavaScript and flash tools (jQuery, jQueryUI, Open Flash Charts,etc).

    8. Re:$50 for your privacy by spun · · Score: 2

      Hahahaha, what a good little Eichmann you are. Look at tax policy changes over the last 40 years. There is a class war going on, and the rich not only started it, they are winning. Despite enormous increases in GDP, the average family makes the same amount now that they made 40 years ago. All the increase went to the top .001 percent. Those 400 people now own as much as the bottom 150 MILLION. And you think it was because they earned it, how naive. Class traitor.

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    9. Re:$50 for your privacy by spun · · Score: 2

      The government does not "take" money from the people. The people PAY the government for the privilege of living in a society they like. Nothing is free. You want to live here in America? You gotta pay for the privilege. Otherwise, shop around for a better deal, there are hundreds of countries in the world, and if you have skills, most would be glad to have you. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way to Somalia, a place that has just the amount of government you seem to want.

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  3. Re:caps! by yelvington · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Making sure everyone has fast, reliable access available is great; but the FCC also has to worry about internet caps! Now that AT&T is cutting people off after a certain amount of bandwidth use, someone with the power to stop this monopolistic abuse needs to flex some muscle. What is the FCC doing about internet caps?

    I'm just guessing, but perhaps it would be wise to first measure and document what the carriers do, as opposed to what they say?

  4. Re:stupid by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Money has been pissed away to bring broadband to the US because at one time people saw the utility of it. Someone is now looking into why it never materialized but the checks were cached.

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  5. "Heavy Downloaders" by crow_t_robot · · Score: 2
    Every slashdot user is disqualified:

    They have extended their research efforts to the public, but there are some minor requirements which need to be met. For example, your connection must be consistent (suffer very few disconnections), users must be considered average Internet browsers and not heavy downloaders [...]

  6. Re:stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Old news. This is already ongoing. It's a pretty darn decent Netgear (almost $100 on Newegg).

  7. I'm involved with this by dave562 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is a simple program. I plugged in the Netgear router in between my firewall and my cable modem and configured it as a bridge. It analyzes the traffic and sends the information to the FCC.

    I love how some people here are whining about privacy. I think those people will whine about anything. What is the alternative? The data needs to be collected. Either you want the government to step in and regulate the telcos, or you don't. If you don't, then STFU and stop whining about the crappy service they are giving you. If you do, then realize you have to be part of the solution. Whining about it never fixed anything. At some point, someone has to collect some data.

    If you don't want to participate in the program, don't. On the other hand, I'm happy to know that the FCC is getting some real data to show that when I fire up my VPN client from home to do some work, everything else on the network (NetFlix, et al) gets throttled back to next to nothing. I'm happy to be a guinea pig so that the FCC an see that the supposedly "faster" connection that I'm paying for is not really any faster than the basic package.

    If you're doing something with your internet connection that the government cares about, they already know about you. Participating in some research is not going to suddenly put you on their radar. Your browsing history is a lot less interesting to most people than you think it is. The country is involved in two wars and the economy is crumbling around us. Do you really think the government cares if you want to wank off to www.fatmomfetish.com, or whatever other "super secret private" stuff you are doing with your internet connection? Running a Tor exit node? Seeding the latest movie rip? Ooooo, you crazy rebels you!

  8. Re:Proper Heading by macraig · · Score: 3, Informative

    Simple: the router must use custom firmware that performs bandwidth tests during idle periods and reports the results. Can't do that with any old random router off the shelf.

  9. Still ignoring the duoploy by metrometro · · Score: 2

    The FCC is making much fuss and noise about "digital inclusion" and whatnot, but no one at any level is willing to talk about the fact that most of the country has two or less options in broadband. During the summer of love (2002, IIRC), the big telecoms took advantage of deregulation to divide up the broadband market by city, and it's been higher prices, lower caps and no new pipe in ten yearsever since. Verizon FiOS is dead. Wireless is consolidating. It's permanent monopoly time, and the FCC just keeps talking about broadband maps and Internet literacy training (?!) as the solution.

    Here's a better answer: bring back common carrier rules for backbone service rates, and let the local ISPs (remember those?) come back to life. Pass network neutrality. Ban the ownership of both content services and pipes. Lay some city-owned dark fiber and let the private sector bid to operate it. It ain't rocket science, but it will require standing up to Comcast and AT&T.

  10. I have one of these by name_already_taken · · Score: 2

    I have one of these devices. It's plugged into a port on a managed switch and doesn't see any of my traffic; basically it has access to the Internet connection and that's it.

    There's a site at http://reporting.samknows.com/ that I can log into and see graphs of the test results, which are:

    • Website load times in seconds
    • Latency in milliseconds
    • Packet loss in %
    • Web Downloads Multi-Threaded in Mbps
    • Video streaming in seconds to buffer and seconds of delay
    • Downstream throughput in Mbps
    • Upstream throughput in Mbps
    • DNS response time in milliseconds
    • Failed web requests in %
    • Failed DNS requests in %
    • RTP Packet Loss in %
    • RTP Jitter in milliseconds

    All these stats are graphed daily.

    I have U-Verse, and the instructions state that with U-Verse you just plug the device into a switch port and plug nothing else into it. They probably don't want the U-Verse video traffic running through it. I also disabled its wifi, since it wasn't necessary.

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  11. Re:stupid by mtmra70 · · Score: 2

    Money has been pissed away to bring broadband to the US because at one time people saw the utility of it. Someone is now looking into why it never materialized but the checks were cached.

    Well there is the problem. Had they cashed the checks, instead of caching them, we might actually have some good broadband throughout this country.

  12. Re:"It's a trap!" by skids · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Once it is yours (after the test) just nuke the custom firmware and load your favorite WRT flavor. I mean, unless you are paranoid enough to think they have custom hardware in there just to spy, and if you are that paranoid, you probably already think they have it in commercially sold routers.

  13. Re:stupid by 0racle · · Score: 2

    God damnit. Thats what I get for actually working today.

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  14. Re:Proper Heading by macraig · · Score: 2

    Since the actual agreement leaves open the door that participants might not get to keep the router, I'll bet that jailbreaking it with other firmware before the project is complete is one of the exceptions that would have SamKnows knocking on your door wanting it back....

    They won't give a crap if you jailbreak it AFTER the program is over.

  15. I have one of these by Galaga88 · · Score: 2

    I have one of these already. It's a NETGEAR WNR3500L. I've not seen any impact on my connection quality. Quite the contrary, I've used its reporting functions twice already in trying to get my ISP to track down connection quality issues at their end.

    It keeps a running log of your ping, throughput, packet loss, etc. which you can access freely through their website. I was able to use this to document periods of latency spikes and massive packet loss.

    I guess if you think the FCC is taking a particularly convoluted route to spy on me, rather than just, tapping in at the ISP itself, you're free to do that. I'll just think you're probably more than a bit daft.

  16. Re:stupid by mcelrath · · Score: 3, Informative

    eventhough its one of the cheapest crap routers out there

    Ahem. The WNR3500L they're giving away is a linux-based (openwrt) high-end wireless router. It was $150 when new, now can be had for $80. Its successor the WNDR3700 retails for $185 and it's freaking awesome. A customizable linux-based router is precisely what I'd choose if I wanted to do an experiment like this.

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  17. Old news, but the router and tracking is awesome by Frozen-Solid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Old news, and it was even posted on Slashdot when the program started last summer. I've been running an FCC White Box for several months now and love it. The router is a high quality Netgear with QoS filtering and all the bells and whistles you expect out of a $100+ router. It beats the ever living crap out of my old Belkin Wireless N. The tracking software doesn't monitor actual sites or any actual private information. Just packet loss, ping times, download and upload speeds, streaming stability, voip stability, etc. The graphs and charts it spits out are extremely useful and I've been using them for the past 2 months when complaining to Mediacom about my slow speeds, packet loss, and horrible ping times. It keeps 2 weeks of hourly data, and after that just tracks it as an average/min/max for the day. http://i53.tinypic.com/35bt5ro.jpg

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