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Max Littlemore writes "I have been breeding thorium cattle children gremlins at home using lots of old smoke detectors with a view toward generating my own electricity radiation plutonium wormhole and getting off the grid. The only thing stopping me is a reliable neutron beam. Given that all the equipment I'm using is re-purposed kitchen equipment, concerns about safety mean I'm reluctant hesitant exuberant defiant to build a uranium reactor to supply neutrons to the thorium one. So I'm putting the question out there: do any Slashdotters know of a hazardous good safe legal way to make a powerful neutron beam out of things I might find around the house?" It would be helpful to include images and diagrams of your own personal neutron beam generators rifles casseroles beer .

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  1. Sad day by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's days like this when I really miss "OMG!!! Ponies!!!"...

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  2. Re:stop it by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    enough.

    This happens every year, chill.

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  3. DiY Neutron beams by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 2

    A DiY neutron beam? Sure. Give me three coconuts, a piece of string, MacGyver, and your bank account numbers.

    And OMG Ponies. Please, for the love of God.

    PS - Act now and I'll sell you the Brooklyn bridge at a 12% discount.

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    1. Re:DiY Neutron beams by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

      Give me three coconuts, a piece of string, MacGyver, and your bank account numbers.

      That won't work what you really need are two palladium plates, some water and a battery to make your own cold fusion reactor which is an excellent neutron source and should work well for powering your thorium reactor. However please don't tell al Qaeda because you know they'll just start making plutonium from all the depleted uranium NATO occasionally supplies them with.

  4. Set yourself on fire... by f8l_0e · · Score: 2

    under the boiler for steam turbine. You'll literally have energy for the rest of your life, and as a side bonus you'll be permanently reducing your carbon footprint.

  5. Use cheap external fab by localroger · · Score: 2

    Disguise your rig as a powerful cement pump and ship it to Fukushima Prefecture, Japan. They will be glad to irradiate it for you.

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  6. Neutron Beam... Beer! by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "I have been breeding [thorium] at home using lots of old smoke detectors with a view toward generating my own [electricity] and getting off the grid. The only thing stopping me is a reliable neutron beam. Given that all the equipment I'm using is re-purposed kitchen equipment, concerns about safety mean I'm [hesitant] to build a uranium reactor to supply neutrons to the thorium one. So I'm putting the question out there: do any Slashdotters know of a [safe] way to make a powerful neutron beam out of things I might find around the house?"

    You don't need a uranium reactor to generate neutrons (although if you use the thorium from some lantern mantles, you could probably create one). You also don't need to be messing about with nasty americium to breed plutonium as a neutron source.

    Just build a Farnsworth Fusor like that guy on Slashdot did last week. There's your neutron source. Should be pretty safe, compared to the alternatives.

    It would be helpful to include images and diagrams of your own personal neutron beam [beer].

    Right, that doesn't solve the problem of your neutron beam beer.

    Put a bottle of Pu240 Weapons Grade Ale in front of your Something in there'll get activated for just long enough to technically call it neutron beam beer.

    At 8% ABV and 100 IBUs, it's a hop bomb that'll getcha bombed even without neutron activation!

    1. Re:Neutron Beam... Beer! by Kazymyr · · Score: 2

      The Farnsworth fusor is real, despite today's date.

      Actual plans at http://www.fusor.net/

      Good luck. Keep us posted.

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    2. Re:Neutron Beam... Beer! by DBHolder · · Score: 2

      An IEC (Farnsworth Fusor) would be a good place to start for the neutrons but you will need fuel. The poster seems keen on doing everything himself and breeding fuel should be no exception. I recommend starting with Deuterium and working your way up to breeding tritium. You can buy deuterium easily enough, but everyone knows that path is for chumps. I would say you should get a good centrifuge cascade going and start separating heavy water out from the normal stuff that comes right out of the tap. With a little electrolysis setup you can pull the deuterium right out of the heavy water! Put the Deuterium into your IEC and snap, its a neutron source. Pro tip: wrap a few layers a beryllium around your IEC for neutron multiplication, but don't eat it kids (its toxic). If you want to step up to D-T fusion you can add a breeding blanket of Lithium into the mix. Separated Tritium from the blanket can go right back into the IEC for extra neutrons.

      Safety note: if at any time during this exercise you feel like tiny knives are murdering your sperm don't worry, only the weak and unworthy sperm will be purged!

  7. Neutron source by formfeed · · Score: 3, Funny

    You could just ask your neighbor. Most high school kids who are even remotely interested in science already have a neutron source in their basement. Borax, you get in the laundry aisle and as moderator I suggest to go with pencils. Graphite is a well documented moderator and has worked in Chernobyl for many years without a problem. You could use tea-lights for shielding, but imho shielding is for sissies.

    Just one warning: As in banking, the important thing is to start big. If you build a small reactor, the police will come knocking down your door, but if you build a really big one, your local congressman will help you to find a way around stupid regulations.

  8. If you don't know how, you probably should not do by BlueParrot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is probably a joke or troll, but since there actually have been morons trying to do this sort of thing before:

    If you do not have enough knowledge and experience with radioactive materials and radiation safety to know how to generate neutrons, attempting to do so is a Bad Idea (TM). Neutrons are very penetrating and hard to shield against, and when absorbed they activate the material they are absorbed in, creating secondary radiation hazards. Using them to irradiate fissionable isotopes, like thorium or uranium, is an even more insane idea since it will not only multiply the number of neutrons generated, but also produce a dirty mix of fission products, many of which are gaseous and hard to contain.

    Seriously, just go do something safer instead, like base-jumping or sword-swallowing.

  9. Here's the recipe by Kupfernigk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Take approx. 2kg of sifted weapons grade plutonium (this is perfectly safe, it's sub-critical) and place in a mixing bowl. With a mortar and pestle grind together about 5g of polonium-210 and 10g of finely powdered beryllium. Gradually stir in to the plutonium until the mixture begins to get warm, then add about 500cc of deuterium hydroxide. Divide equally into a 12-portion muffin dish. Decorate with thorium oxide granules and bake in a suitable containment vessel until red hot. Serve on a bed of fuel pebbles with a cesium iodide dressing.

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    1. Re:Here's the recipe by Kazymyr · · Score: 2

      Cesium iodide - the breakfast of champions.

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  10. Sellotape Sources by SMoynihan · · Score: 3, Funny

    All you need is a whole load of Sellotape (Scotch-tape for you Americans) (and some deuterium).

    Everyone (well, Slashdot readers) knows that peeling Sellotape produces x-rays, so get some industrial sized sheets of Sellotape, probably at least a few layers. While peeling, aim your Sellotape at some material why only needs low energies to induce a photonuclear reaction (deuterium, beryllium perhaps).

    Some might say that those might need gamma rays, but those are only high energy X-rays, so shake your Sellotape fast, and you'll increase the frequency nicely.

    And voila: Neutrons!

    The rest is just details

  11. No problem! DIY neutron beams are easy by smellsofbikes · · Score: 2

    Just build a cyclotron. They're quite easy to make, being basically a huge magnet and a curved track in a vacuum. There is a minor technical challenge that they're designed to accelerate protons or electrons, but I'm sure it's easy to adapt it to handle neutrons instead.

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    1. Re:No problem! DIY neutron beams are easy by mmontour · · Score: 3, Informative

      The joke notwithstanding, cyclotrons can produce a neutron beam by accelerating protons into an aluminum target.

  12. Voltage by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 2

    It's really difficult to get voltage that high from household equipment. To make your own beam target you will also probably need to build a CVD chamber.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_generator
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_vapor_deposition

    But this looks interesting too:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroelectric_fusion

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    1. Re:Voltage by currently_awake · · Score: 2

      No, it's trivially easy to get high voltages from household stuff, your house already has 220 volt AC power readily available you just need several really big transformers in series to finish the job. Be sure you space the wires far enough apart that they don't arc at the higher voltages. Thick braided copper wire is prefered. Don't forget to use big circuit breakers to run the whole mess as you will have some losses in the circuit. Ensure nothing comes close to the transformers/wires during operation. (close is relative to voltage levels) Oh yes, and you can't directly accelerate neutrons with electricity or magnetism.

  13. Fukushima! by DrJimbo · · Score: 2

    I understand they have an excess of neutrons and such over at the Fukushima nuclear facilities. You can probably get all the neutrons you want at bargain (turbine building) basement prices. In fact, since it sounds like you are entrepreneurial, you could probably get them to pay you to haul the stuff away. It's a mixed bag of goodies but since the fuel rods have melted down, you might be able to collect enough fissionable material out of the tons of highly radioactive water available to get your own chain reaction going, cutting out the middle man, allowing you to pass on savings to your customers. Everybody wins!

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  14. Re:Will there be any real news today? by halivar · · Score: 2

    If you didn't think the replies to the actual (albeit fake) question were interesting, this may not be the site for you.

  15. Here's an easier method.. by LordByronStyrofoam · · Score: 2

    .. if you're handy with tools and your money: This solution will require you to put your thorium vessel in a vacuum chamber: Cut the end off some old but still functional 4-400A power vacuum tubes (as would be used in a surplus tube amp from the Indianapolis Motor Speedway or an old AN/SQS-23 sonar system), and put a charge stripping plate (of heavy enough copper) biased to pull the charge off the electrons, at the business end. Glass-weld the tube and plate to a flange on the vacuum vessel. Fire up the cathode, put sufficient voltage on the plate, and you're streaming neutrons.

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  16. Fusor by Harkin · · Score: 2

    Fusors are very good sources of neutrons. But the concept of a neutron beam is pretty lulzy. Neutrons have no charge and are unaffected by magnetic fields so good luck shaping that thing. May I recommend,

    Kitten Kitten Kitten Kitten
    Kitten TTTTTTTT Kitten
    Kitten T Fusor T Kitten
    Kitten T Fusor T Kitten
    Kitten TTTTTTTT Kitten
    Kitten Kitten Kitten Kitten

    Kittens provide dual shielding for both radiation and detection, who would ever look under a pile of kittens for a nuclear reactor? Further the kittens will be drawn to the warmth, just provided a constant supply of Thorium, deuterium, and fish. Remember to remove dead kittens otherwise the smell might attract hobos.

  17. Morroco Mole here (just Mole if you're in Morroco) by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 2

    I suggest you consider lamp mantles from camping lanterns and gas lamp posts. Much higher yield of Thorium. Then encase the extracted Thorium in depleted uranium in an asymmetric manner. Pack all this in a graphite cylinder with hundred of layers of bimetal sheet thermocouples in a massive series parallel schema. The interstitial material should be silicon dioxide and clay, but make sure it is boron free. Bop down to your local ceramics custom paint shop and borrow their kiln to "fire" the setup into one solid mass to make your own homemade traveling wave radio-thermal-generator. After testing the output of the first one, proceed to manufacture as many as required for your electricity needs. They are after manufacture virtually pollution free. (May we suggest a 1/2 inch stainless steel vessel welded closed around the individual cells, oh, and assure that you use aluminum or silver wiring and avoid copper in the construction.) You may wish to purchase your own kiln after determining the number of units you'll need and the cost of firing them outside of your own facility. Also consider a micro-controller for each cell to monitor its health and power output, as well as a small conditioning circuit to match the outputs into a seamless AC source to minimize interface issue with standard house generation, and provide minimal common failure points. As the controllers will need to be interfaced as a network, you may as well distribute the decisions across all the micro-controllers, thus ending up with a beowulf-cluster of "smartRTG"(tm)s

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  18. Re:Neutron Beam by isopropanol · · Score: 2

    As silly as this April fools joke is, a few seconds of googling would lead to the Farnsworth-Hirsch Fusor.

  19. Re:Completely safe by currently_awake · · Score: 2

    Er no, neutrons don't "pass through harmlessly", they either knock off sub-atomic particles (then keep on going) or stick and make radioactive isotopes. It's not the uranium that's making heat in the japan reactors, it's the secondary radioactive isotopes created by the neutrons.