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Wozniak: I Would Consider Returning To Apple

Google85 writes "Steve Wozniak told Reuters he would consider returning to an active role at Apple, the company he co-founded, and believes the consumer electronics giant could afford to be more open than it is."

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  1. Has he done anything after that? by toQDuj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sorry to be obtuse, but has he done anything of note recently? I only know him from his achievements in the distant past...

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    1. Re:Has he done anything after that? by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, he's a member of a Segway Polo team.

    2. Re:Has he done anything after that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      From tfa:

      "There's just an awful lot I know about Apple products and competing products that has some relevance, some meaning. They're my own feelings, though," said Wozniak, who is currently chief scientist of storage start-up Fusion-io.

      Post Apple Career.

      Stop being obtuse.

    3. Re:Has he done anything after that? by jdpars · · Score: 2

      Looks like all he's done is use his old Apple connections to "start up" several companies that all later closed.

    4. Re:Has he done anything after that? by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep. I hate my Apple products so much I regularly buy new ones just so I can have something to complain about.

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    5. Re:Has he done anything after that? by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The last thing Apple needs is somebody that actually cares about their customers' freedom.

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    6. Re:Has he done anything after that? by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 2

      He was a cofounder of Danger, Inc., I will put it has a one of his recent, post Apple note worthy achievements. Also, he has put a strong commitment toward education; I'm sure that the kids that he helped will remember him for the rest of their life.

      Woz is more like a modern day Nikola Tesla. Steve Jobs is a strange mix of Jules Verne and Thomas Alva Edison. For Woz is more important to have fun doing what he does than being rich and famous. For Jobs, is quality and perfection. To each his own.

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    7. Re:Has he done anything after that? by neoform · · Score: 2

      >Sorry to be obtuse

      5 weeks in the hole Dufresne.

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    8. Re:Has he done anything after that? by SpzToid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Steve Jobs has learned to be humble? When did that happen?

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    9. Re:Has he done anything after that? by shaitand · · Score: 2

      yeah, his insanely vast wealth is hardly even a factor...

    10. Re:Has he done anything after that? by kangsterizer · · Score: 2

      Hes' been teaching kids and giving speech since forever. He's actually a pretty good guy. Not so interested into making more money than he already has, or conquer markets. More into the human side of things, and into "doing the right thing" kind of stuff.

    11. Re:Has he done anything after that? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2

      He said the word "Please" when he was begging for a new liver.

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    12. Re:Has he done anything after that? by Parafilmus · · Score: 2

      His engineering skills are clearly obsolete by several decades

      [citation needed]

  2. Right on Woz! by MoldySpore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    See? Not everyone associated with Apple has the same mantra as Steve Job's closed off bricks of user inaccessibility and locked down interfaces that tell the user they can't modify their own hardware or software without voiding a warranty. It took the judicial system to rule that it was legal to jail break an iPhone. I have a feeling that if Woz was still a major player in Apple's development and ways of thinking, this would have never been necessary. I say kick that turtle-neck wearing skeleton outta there and reinstate Woz as new Apple overlord! ;)

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    1. Re:Right on Woz! by metaomni · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah! Apple totally should entirely change its business model. I mean, it's not like they've gone from almost-dead to the second-largest market cap company in the United States under Steve Jobs.

    2. Re:Right on Woz! by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "But all I did was modify the software!". Nope, no warranty, since you put the engine outside of it's expected engine parameters. Maybe going extra fast made the engine really hot and melted it into a molten block of metal.

      The burden of demonstrating that the failure was due to the modification is on the car maker, however.

    3. Re:Right on Woz! by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Informative

      No.

      Woz is an engineer, not a manager.

      Besides, the closed off mentality only came about during iOS. OSX is still very much open. Hell, the kernel is open sourced!

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    4. Re:Right on Woz! by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You do realize that if they hadn't chosen an inept business model in the first place that we'd likely be complaining about Apple's monopoly over the desktop market, right? There were a lot of inept decisions which led to the near demise of Apple, but being too open wasn't really one of them. (Depending upon how you count allowing other manufacturers to make hardware that could run their OS

      One of the reasons that Apple lost out was the lack of openness to the platform, there were other problems, but that wasn't helping them any.

  3. Re:Why tell the world? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Informative
    FTFA:

    "I'd consider it, yeah," the 60-year-old computer engineer said in an interview, when asked whether he would play a more active role if asked.

    Someone asked him the question so he answered it.

  4. That would be interesting by FudRucker · · Score: 2

    1. Steve jobs retires or dies from his poor health.

    2. The woz takes over at apple, rebuilds the OS licensed as GNU/FOSS.

    2. ???

    3. Profit!!!

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    1. Re:That would be interesting by tokul · · Score: 2

      1. Steve jobs retires or dies from his poor health.

      Or he dies in car accident when his car accelerates uncontrollably for some unknown reason.

  5. apple needs to be open to more hardware choice by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2

    apple needs to be open to more hardware choice.

    What is so bad about makeing it easier to swap the HDD in the imac / mini?
    What is so bad about desktop a system with imac power levels without a build in screen?

    If apple does not want mini towers then lower the price of the base mac pro to $1500-$2000 or have a bigger mini system with a 7200RPM HDD at least (320GB-500GB) or SDD. Better video then on board video / intel video. AMD new on board video system in the cpu may be ok and desktop ram with 4gb at the base. Also have at least a desktop i5. NO i3 or i3 on board video.

    But if apple where to have a mini tower have it with desktop i5 or i7, 2-4 HDD slots / bays, 4-6 ram slots (based on what chip set is used), pci-e X16 video slot + pci-e X16 slot (X4 speed) or TB port. Maybe have a higher system with room for dual video cards or just X16 + X16 (does not need to full X16 speed) + TB port.
    and 1-2 ODD bays.

    or just open OSX to non apple hardware.

    1. Re:apple needs to be open to more hardware choice by macs4all · · Score: 2

      If you want a tower, get a Mac Pro.

      Ya know, I've been an Apple fan (not fanboi!) and owner since the Apple 1, and I'm with the GP on this one. I'd LOVE to have an affordable Mac mini-tower with a few PCIe slots (3 would probably do), that cost closer to the iMac than the Mac Pro.

      However, having said that, I'm pretty sure that when Thunderbolt catches on, we'll all (well, not ALL, this IS /. afterall!) start thinking OUTSIDE of the box...

    2. Re:apple needs to be open to more hardware choice by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      apple needs to be open to more hardware choice.

      There is an ongoing debate about the paradox of choice. Apple has chosen less choice. It simplifies their product line for them. Remember Apple is selling to consumers in general and not specifically to geeks like you.

      What is so bad about makeing it easier to swap the HDD in the imac / mini?
      What is so bad about desktop a system with imac power levels without a build in screen?

      The problem is you are only seeing from you, you, you. From Apple's perspective they have to compete in a very competitive market with Lenovo, Dell, HP, and others. They have distinguished themselves by picking which products and subsets of the market that will ensure they have customers. It's probably the reason they stopped making Xserves; they just wasn't enough market for them. Remember they have to employ engineers, support engineers, etc for every product. As a business they make product lines where they can have success and not ones where a small percentage like slashdot geeks care about.

      If apple does not want mini towers then lower the price of the base mac pro to $1500-$2000 or have a bigger mini system with a 7200RPM HDD at least (320GB-500GB) or SDD. Better video then on board video / intel video. AMD new on board video system in the cpu may be ok and desktop ram with 4gb at the base. Also have at least a desktop i5. NO i3 or i3 on board video.

      A Mac Pro is not a mini-tower desktop. It is a professional workstation. There's quite a difference between the two. A Mac Pro is designed for professionals to author photos, video, sound, graphics, etc. While you can write book reports in Word on them, that's not their intent. It's like asking why a heavy duty truck isn't good for transporting 6 people around. Different purposes, different designs.

      But if apple where to have a mini tower have it with desktop i5 or i7, 2-4 HDD slots / bays, 4-6 ram slots (based on what chip set is used), pci-e X16 video slot + pci-e X16 slot (X4 speed) or TB port. Maybe have a higher system with room for dual video cards or just X16 + X16 (does not need to full X16 speed) + TB port. and 1-2 ODD bays.

      Basically you've described a system that every computer manufacturer makes. Why should Apple compete in a crowded market where the margins are pretty thin just to make you happy.

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  6. Apple is a marketing company by Trip6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Woz is a technical guy and is no longer needed there. Jobs only ever cared about the user experience and that's why Apple dominates.

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    1. Re:Apple is a marketing company by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 2

      Where the fuck are you living?

      Niche market? In the last 10 years Apple have seen their share price rise ~3200%, in the last quarter they were the 3rd biggest company in the world by market capitalization according to the FORBES 500 beaten only by ExxonMobil and PetroChina.

      They brought science fiction style gadgets people dreamed of in the 90s to become the 'norm' to the point where you're almost expected to have an iPhone and an iPod. People are surprised when you don't have one. Apple entered a market that *was* niche to nerds and a few executives and made it 'cool' and mainstream, to the point where everyone got into it.

    2. Re:Apple is a marketing company by macs4all · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Woz is a technical guy and is no longer needed there.

      Your statement makes it sound like all he can do is design circuitry and code.

      Although he is a brilliant designer/developer, his return would also breathe new life into the company's other engineers, and would, quite frankly, make the stock market a little less jittery about "what will happen to Apple" in Jobs' absence.

      I think he should return in his prior role as "Apple Fellow", and do what he does best at this point: Spread good will, and provide a "You can't fire me!" foil to some of Jobs' more "form over function" product design decisions. For example, there is NO WAY the iOS devices would have escaped from the R&D lab without an SD slot and mini USB connector, and without stereo Bluetooth headset support. I'm speculating about the USB and SD slot stuff; but Woz has even personally bitched about the BT lack-of-stereo support thing to me a couple of years ago in an email.

      I have only about 6 months' less experience with Apple products than the Steves do, and I'm quite sure that Apple would benefit greatly from his engineering expertise, creative insight, and especially his attitude and ambassadorship.

    3. Re:Apple is a marketing company by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That is why Apple dominates now, but it's not why it dominated then. I remember watching a documentary about the early Apples and Woz was a genius at reducing hardware cost to bring them down to budgets people could afford. He took what would normally cost thousands and cut chips and optimized software to make it cost hundreds. He was by far more essential to Apple then than Jobs' ideas of the user experience.

      Today, that's simply not one of Apple's strengths - it probably hasn't been one since sometime in the 80s. There's plenty companies that can match Apple on producing an equivalent hardware platform. In fact, many have been technologically superior to Apple, they just haven't been nice to use. It's not the CPU or GPU or touchscreen or whatever that makes the iPhone/iPad a success and the Macs have gone native with the same Intel processors as most PCs. There's nothing on the technical side that will make or break Apple. I'm sure Woz could do a good job there at something, but he'd never be a very important man.

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    4. Re:Apple is a marketing company by Trip6 · · Score: 2

      Woz has even personally bitched about the BT lack-of-stereo support thing to me a couple of years ago in an email.

      Woz bitched to you over email about the lack of a specific feature? Brush with greatness!!!!!!

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    5. Re:Apple is a marketing company by macs4all · · Score: 2, Insightful

      so your convinced that since a marketing team threw pro at the end of a name that it is not?

      Are you really going to sit there and call THIS a "consumer gadget"?

      You're retarded. Hand in your geek card and delete your slashdot account immediately.

  7. Re:Why tell the world? by contrapunctus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    just post the damn url, i'm not going to click on a tinyurl link and get goatse'd or something...

  8. Re:counterpoint by macs4all · · Score: 2

    3. Wozniak continued and continues knowing this as his Apple wages/shares provide him a tidy sum.

    I agree with your first two statements; but the one about the money is absurd.

    Even when he worked full-time at Apple, he INSISTED that his salary be no more than one of their typical engineers.

    His millions has come primarily from Apple stock, and some shrewd investments he has done over the years.

    Too bad he didn't get that Gulfstream deal like Jobs, though; he would've gone for that one!

  9. Re:Why tell the world? by 517714 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Many consumers like Apple products because they make it easy to buy and consume content without glitches, but the closed system that makes this possible locks customers and media and software providers into Apple's proprietary iTunes online store and iOS operating system. Some critics compare it to Microsoft in that regard.

    Nobody asked the question, the reporter just made it up.

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  10. Re:Why tell the world? by macs4all · · Score: 4, Informative

    And not Apple?

    1. Who says he hasn't?

    2. Knowing Woz since 1978, I can tell you that he is one of the most OPEN persons on the planet. If you ask him a question, he will answer, unless the answer requires divulging a secret R&D project, and then he can hardly contain himself! I remember having some phone conversations back around 1979 regarding some work on what was to eventually become the Lisa (yes, the article was dead wrong. He worked on the Lisa project, as well as the pretty much only designer of the Apple 1 and ][, as well as the principal naysayer regarding the reliability-killing overcomplexity of the Apple /// design!). And, everyone forgets that he is the principal designer of the Apple ][ gs; a machine that was sadly just a little too late to the party, but a DAMNED fine update!

    And knowing Woz for as long as I have, I can also tell you that his answer was NOT "off-the-cuff". He puts thought into every question in every situation. That's just the the "engineer" in him.

  11. FROM WOZ, WITH PERMISSION TO REPOST by macs4all · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, some background from me (macs4all) :

    I just emailed Woz with an email I entitled "Storm a-brewin' over at Slashdot."

    His instantaneous reply follows. When I asked him if I could Re-post it here, his reply was "PLEASE do that for me!"

    So, here it is, straight from the Woz's Mouth, so to speak:

    When I first saw the headlines it was just another totally wrong one. I did an interview in Brighton the other day with this female Reuters journalist. The entire interview was about Fusion-io, at the SQLbits European conference, with myself and David Flynn, our CEO. At the end she asked about whether I'd return to Apple and I thought and said "no" and told her some reasons it was impossible. So she sits there and asks "with all the exciting things going on at Apple, would you consider going back?"...I said "yes" but explained that it could not happen. What you read is based on the one "yes". So I didn't read a single article about it. I was on planes and am writing a speech now for a humanist award I'm receiving tonight in Boston and don't have time to get into this one. Too bad.

    This reporter took notes by hand but I think the Fusion-io publicist Shannon might have recorded it.

  12. Re:How bad was his accident? by macs4all · · Score: 2

    I know Woz had an aircraft accident that resulted in brain damage. I have only ever found interviews and videos of him AFTER that accident. Does anyone know what he was like BEFORE the accident and how big a change in personality/problem solving he experienced?

    Yes. I have known him since 1978.

    It took him nearly two years after the plane accident to "snap out of if". in fact, a friend of mine that talked with him at a computer convention in Ohio about 3 or 4 years after the accident told me that Woz told a group of people at that convention that he was back to work at Apple, going through the motions every day, when suddenly, he looked down at his Hamilton Pulsar watch and realized that he had been in a fog for the past two years.

    According to his comments, after that, he was "back to his old self".

    I have had many, many email and phone conversations over the years with Woz, and he is just as sharp now as he was before the accident. Which, BTW, is pretty damned sharp!

  13. Re:Economy of scale? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    What economy of scale? Your dim little mind is aware that Apple is currently one of the largest if not the largest PC maker in the world right? They have even beaten Dell once (haven't checked if Dell or HP has taken the lead again).

    So what economy of scale? Someone going to sell Mac clones so successfully they outperform the largest makers by such a magnitude they can demand even sharper prices then Apple already can?

    Actually, in your haste to comeback with a witty put down (I'll grant you managed to be half way there) you failed to consider the PC market is much vaster than Apple alone. That's where the economies of scale come to play. Adding the ability to run OSX as well as Windows merely increases the number of units to amortize the HW development costs and increases the buy quantity.

    While Apple is certainly large enough to command good prices, there are plenty of PC OEMS who build enough machines to get good prices as well; and they can spread engineering and developmental costs over a number of units beyond just those for one manufacturer. If Apple were to license their OS they'd have to make it work on generic MBs or provide the tools needed to adapt them to OSX (much as independent hackers did to create the Hackintosh). Imagine if Dell could load OSX on a $500 Insperion - the $900 Macbook looks real expensive; especially since Apple really sells the OS experience. If you can get that on a cheaper clone, even with a lower build quality, it becomes harder to justify buying Apple hardware. Once OSX is running on may cheap laptops and desktops Apple will come under significant pricing pressure (and have fewer units to amortize their costs as clones cut into their sales); as well as support issues as hardware combinations proliferate. Neither is in Apple's best interest; especially since they have managed to maintain premium pricing by avoiding becoming a commodity like PCs.

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