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Australia Ranked Fourth In Internet Freedom

mjwx writes "A report published by Freedom House has placed Australia in fourth in Internet Freedom, below Estonia, the United States and Germany. Freedom House highlights the lack of actual censorship in Australia pointing out that the highly unpopular proposed ISP level censorship has been shelved since the 2010 Australian election. The Freedom House report is available here."

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  1. Below Germany? by bbqsrc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm pretty sure Germany has actively filtered their internet before, and possibly still continue to do it. As for America, hello ICE domain seizures? Wtf.

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    1. Re:Below Germany? by Kreigaffe · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm pretty sure Germany filters out anything mentioning that party that was real big in Germany a few generations back..

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    2. Re:Below Germany? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hear it heils from another epoch.

      HAR HAR HAR see what I did thar?

    3. Re:Below Germany? by hweimer · · Score: 4, Informative

      As of now, there are two websites (Stormfront and NSDAP/AO) that are being filtered at several smaller ISPs in North Rhine-Westphalia. What you might heard of is that there is a controversial law that allows the German federal police to add alleged child pornography websites to a secret mandatory filtering list. However, this law has never been applied and will be repealed soon. In other news, most of Germany's states seem to push for web filtering of illegal gambling, but I doubt that this is going to happen in the end.

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    4. Re:Below Germany? by joocemann · · Score: 2

      From my experience the Germans are largely not in denial at all, but are rather overly apologetic for and vehemently opposed to the 'nazi' idea. This serious opposition is probably why the OP might be talking about filtering 'nazi' web media. I don't know if it is true, but from my experience, denial wouldn't be the reasoning for it.

    5. Re:Below Germany? by Kreigaffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It wasn't a stupid statement, it was a poorly worded statement.

      Holocaust denial is illegal in Germany. So are swastikas, and pretty much anything related to the nazis outside of "bad things, very bad things, happened in the early half of the 20th century". I'm exaggerating but this is fucking slashdot and only a mindless pedant would misinterpret me as badly as you have.

      The fact is Germany *does* censor their internet, and the content they remove *is* related to that party that was pretty big a few generations back. In other words, what I said is accurate, just not very precise -- I didn't expect, but should have I suppose, that some asshole would come by and think I was making claims that are so obviously not fucking true that even an idiot would understand that that wasn't what I was saying. Censorship is not denialism, censorship is simply not allowing certain things to be said or seen; Germany engages in censorship, regardless of whether or not the things they censor are things that any decent person would think shouldn't be said or heard. That doesn't make it magically become not-censorship.

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    6. Re:Below Germany? by dreampod · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While I agree with them that the US probably is fairly good in comparison to much of the world, the major flaw I see in the Freedomhouse report is that it seems to treat the spirit of the law as being more relevant than the actual application and only considers governmental action rather than corporate activities (enabled by a bought and paid for legislative branch) that reduce freedom. Beyond ICE domain seizures, we have rampant DMCA abuse, government subsidized regional monopolies creating poor service and removing competition, extensive (though largely concealed) monitoring, attempted violations of net neutrality, traffic 'shaping' that is not required for its stated purpose, extensive abuse of the legal system to suppress unpopular or offensive speech of individuals or small business' unable to afford the expense of defending themselves, aging internet infrastructure the monopolies are making minimal efforts to upgrade except in the most profitable areas, and undoubtably more that don't come immediately to mind.

      The US is taking baby steps towards a less free internet and by ranking them so highly without comment on the glaring problems in the system they are enabling it by creating a false impression that this is acceptable.

      Also I find the mention of the US tech innovation particularly funny given that those companies all insist that they are primarily based out of Dublin, Ireland which is why they don't have to pay their fair share of taxes.

    7. Re:Below Germany? by tafkadasoh · · Score: 2

      They don't have active filters. However a judge can order a server to be taken off the internet if the hosted contet violates certain laws. If the server is in another country they try to talk to that government with mixed success. Most nazi sites are hosted in the US for a reason. And those are accessible, so no filtering.

    8. Re:Below Germany? by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Relative to what?

      Can you tell me, precisely, what bad things Sweden, Denmark, New Zealand or the Falkland Islands are doing that compare with intimidation and threats against companies that had links to Wikileaks?

      Can you tell me, precisely, how many domain seizures the UK has been involved in of late?

      Do you have any concrete examples of, oh, Lichtenstein ordering other nations to arrest minors and terrorize them for pissing off the MPAA?

      Can you name any country other than the US which forbids the distribution of World War I audio for copyright reasons?

      Inquiring lolcats wish to know.

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    9. Re:Below Germany? by dreampod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Failing to criticize our national governments simply because others do worse guarantees a slow creep towards that worse behaviour because anything less is, by your reasoning, acceptable. The fact that Iran, Burma, and China engage in broader and more extensive internet control and suppression doesn't make the ICE domain seizures more acceptable or infringe freedoms any less.

      Further, I personally believe that we have a greater obligation to ensure our home country is abiding by the principals we want other countries to. Not only does it clear us of hypocrisy (see US on torture and prisons) when attempting to convince other countries to reform their practices, it provides a clear example that it can be done without catastrophic consequences (assuming they don't see our culture itself being a catastrophe), and is how our government is structured to function. Limiting our scope to local issues is often a matter of conserving our efforts and avoiding tilting at windmills. I can't personally stop hunger in Africa but I can ensure my neighbours get invited over for dinner frequently because I know that the adults in their house frequently miss meals to ensure that their kids always get fed. The same principle applies to world affairs - I can make real (though small) changes in the US but ignoring them because China is worse leaves the entire world a worse place.

    10. Re:Below Germany? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      They don't claim to be based in Ireland, they have a corporation in Ireland (with 2000 people). They funnel most of their European operations from that corporation into a separate one in Bermuda. They also send some money through the Netherlands and back into Bermuda. They don't claim to be 'primarily based' in any of those countries, nor do they hide that they do it as a tax trick.

      And really, as for 'fair share of taxes,' have you ever met anyone who tries to pay more in taxes than they are absolutely required by law? No one, not even you, pays more than they have to.

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    11. Re:Below Germany? by Anon8---) · · Score: 2

      Of course Germany has to appear apologetic otherwise it would have consequences. When you enter the country however and stay a while you will find out it's only what they want people to believe.

    12. Re:Below Germany? by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      BTW, how's the native population doing in the States?

      They are still being kept in poverty by government dependency and the restrictions on any individual from owning land. That's what collectivism and lack of private property rights does to a people, unfortunately. The native population were pushed out of good land many generations ago, and putting them on "reservations" meant they were not allowed to participate in the prosperity that resulted from all that land being given to individuals to develop.

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  2. Where's Japan? by fullback · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's not even on the list.

    1. Re:Where's Japan? by II+Xion+II · · Score: 2

      Or Canada for that matter...

    2. Re:Where's Japan? by dakohli · · Score: 2
      In fact there are only 37 countries on this list. Period. Huge swaths of Europe, Africa and the Americas are missing.

      I would hesitate to say that anyone was first, let alone fourth.

  3. Why the focus on Australia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not whoever is in 83rd place? It seems like "Estonia Ranked First In Internet Freedom" would be the real story.

    1. Re:Why the focus on Australia? by Interoperable · · Score: 2

      The rules got put on hold and will be subject to better (not necessarily good, just better) transparency before they're enacted. The government has a tenuous grip on a majority in parliament right now; I don't think they're likely to try to bring up contentious issues for a little while.

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    2. Re:Why the focus on Australia? by nzac · · Score: 2

      There is no 83rd country. The list is not even close to a worldwide rankings on internet freedom. There are only 2 from Europe and the reason Germany is not higher is due to Nazi (mainly I think Holocaust Denial ) censorship.

      South America also looks pretty free.

  4. That's a really short list. by rebelwarlock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So only a handful of countries in the world have internet now? Or are we ignoring countries that "don't matter"? If you're going to pretend to do comprehensive reports, at least have a comprehensive list.

    1. Re:That's a really short list. by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Absolutely.

      One of the very few things that make me proud about my country (Argentina) is our internet freedom. Our connections aren't great, but they ain't bad either, and they are cheap and just about everywhere (you can get unlimited, uncensored cablemodem 6mbps down, 1 mbps up for ~30 dollars a month, and unlimited, uncensored 3G 3mbps down, 512kbps up for ~25 dollars a month). Domains (*.ar) are absolutely FREE for life, and there's no limit on what you can register (I have domains that contain all 7 words, are anti-government, anti-religion, and anti-corporations, I've had them for years, and none of them has been taken away or filtered in any way). Our copyright laws are fairly sane (well, as insane as copyright itself is, they aren't as bad as the states), and we have no DMCA or any other similar shit). ISPs don't hand out information without a court order, and neither do host companies. Nobody has been sued for file-sharing, and no ISP is throttling or limiting p2p connections.

      But we aren't even on the list, go figure ...

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  5. Freedom House is heavily funded by the US gov't by mrnobo1024 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Of course they're going to make sure the US gets near the top.

    1. Re:Freedom House is heavily funded by the US gov't by SlithyMagister · · Score: 2

      And equally of course, Canada ceases to exist

    2. Re:Freedom House is heavily funded by the US gov't by jd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Given that the US, in retaining control of ICANN, demolishing network neutrality, placing excessive restrictions on cryptography, pressuring organizations to drop any association whatsoever with wikileaks and encouraging Internet fraud through a lack of any kind of privacy legislation, has effectively crippled actual freedom without needing any censorship legislation per-se, it should be obvious that the US is only near the top for reasons that have nothing to do with freedom.

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    3. Re:Freedom House is heavily funded by the US gov't by Carewolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I noticed that as well. Canada, the Netherlands and all Nordic countries are absent from the report. In their place a semi-nordic east-european country becomes the most free. I guess it would look too bad if there was 10 countries above the US, so they left out everybody above estonia.

      I would really have like to hear to position of France and Spain also though.

    4. Re:Freedom House is heavily funded by the US gov't by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Given that the US, in retaining control of ICANN,

      That, IMO as a non-american is a very good thing.

      The US have been going a bit overboard with copyright based domain seizures recently. However, the US is probably the country with the strongest free speech provisions in the entire world. So, they might not be perfect, but I cannot think of another country I would trust to do a better job. I certainly would not trust my own.

      So, let's compare it to another "free country". Let's say he was here (UK). The UK government wouldn't need to pressure organisations (an act which is certainly reprehensible). They could throw him in gaol and shutter the website for violating the official secrets act.

      And the privacy legislation... I'm not sure what that has to do with freedom. It's not a good thing (companies are not people and have no inherent rights IMO).

      But anyway, you say that America is bad, and in some ways, yes it is but it seems to me that despite it all everyone else is worse.

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    5. Re:Freedom House is heavily funded by the US gov't by jd · · Score: 2

      "Spycatcher" leaked far more of intelligence value to hostile nations than Wikileaks ever has. Don't recall any special renditioning going on there. Sure, the British Government took him to Australian court, but they were the ones who got their knuckles rapped for being economical with the truth. Much the same would have happened in a British court. In the US legal system, truthiness is the de-facto standard.

      Don't recall any of the SAS autobiographies, which leaked special ops and black ops secrets, leading to detention without trial or psychosis-inducing treatment. We British hold Haebus Corpus to be a fundamental right as opposed to a privilege the President or Congress can arbitrarily remove.

      Britain was quite happy to try terrorists, suspected terrorists and "unlawful combatants" in British civilian courts. America - well, they prefer to keep people prisoner even after being found innocent on all charges.

      Meh - I moved from the UK to the US because the US has tech jobs, not because of some alleged freedom. (I'm a citizen of both nations.) The footpath law is freedom. The BBC is freedom. Yes, the Digital Protection Act is freedom. Even British Telecom is a freedom of sorts, compared to granny Bell, the Verizon gang and the Comcast mafia.

      Besides, there's no protection in the US that doesn't exist in the UK. The Constitution is merely plagarized from British laws (it's a damn shame Britain never sued for copyright violation) that are still active today and the European Convention of Human Rights is vastly more expansive than anything the US can lay claim to. The US is probably the least free country I've ever had the misfortune of living in and I've lived in many. That it has to tell you that your free, daily, in order for even the most gullible to actually believe a word of it should tell you something. Living here is a mere practicality, not a pleasure.

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    6. Re:Freedom House is heavily funded by the US gov't by jd · · Score: 2

      No, for the same reason that secret ballots in elections don't go against democratic freedoms but are actually critical in those freedoms existing in the first place. There would be no democratic freedom if how you voted was information that could be bought and sold on the open markets and used against you, agreed? Then you have accepted that freedom cannot exist without privacy. (Nor can privacy exist without freedom, as a lack of freedom requires you to accept whatever privacy abuses you are forced to endure.)

      It is because the MPAA/RIAA can demand to know your IP address and what protocols you use from your ISP that your freedom on the Internet is abridged, not in spite of it.

      It is because the original ITAR restrictions allowed anyone with a decent hardware kit to monitor your communications that your freedom to communicate without fear was abridged, not in spite of it.

      It is because enough of your personal information can be bought from identity vendors to allow identity theft that your freedom to exist as an individual is curtailed, not in spite of it.

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  6. Australia internet is free unless... by outsider007 · · Score: 2

    You want to play adult rated video games on it.

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  7. Out of 34 (carefuly) slected contries by nzac · · Score: 2

    Of which only 8 have 'free' internet. There is a lot of European and other countries that may have a more free web. Thus the rankings are pretty worthless. My extrapolating the results it would be likely that across Europe would most likely be 10 above the rest of listed non -European countries.

    I would like to think New Zealand's web is more open than Australia's we do have a filter but it has not been forced on ISPs.

  8. China by koxkoxkox · · Score: 4, Funny

    What rank is China ? Is there anyone below ?

    I would love to RTFA, but I can't access the report myself. They must have some technical difficulties in Beijing these days, because freedomhouse.org seems to be unavailable.

  9. Re:customs by NoMaster · · Score: 2

    Notice she was very careful not to say her DVDs were confiscated? Because they weren't; Customs "were only interested in illegal pornography".

    Just don't try to bring any porn on physical media into the country

    ... or else, you'll be allowed to keep it?

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  10. Re:Blow Germany? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Eugenics, and a few of its kindred cousins, however are alive and well. Not necessarily in GMB, but 'the west' never fully divested itself of the ideas; even after the NAZIs gave us a front row seat in how badly these things can go."

    That is probably because Eugenics itself is solidly based in science. Eugenics is practiced indiscriminately and with great consistent and proven success across the board in animal breeding practices. This is most easily seen in dog breeds because canine genetics are among the most responsive to breeding. Eugenics is often wrongly associated with race. Eugenics really is selective breeding for behavior as opposed to direct physical traits. No more no less.

    Nazi eugenics was selection based on made up criteria. For instance, jews were culled based on perceived behaviors without any valid evidence that these negative traits existed in the first place. Western Eugenics was at least based on demonstrated criminal behavior rather than a political blame game that pointed the finger at an entire subset of the population for all a societies problems. Race simply is not a valid distinction for any purpose be it for laws, population statistics, or breeding criteria.

    You are right that Eugenics still exists. In reality, that is what the death penalty and life imprisonment without parole amount to. Either prevents further breeding based on demonstrated behavior.

    None of that is to say that I agree with the idea of selectively breeding humans even with valid criteria. But if one values the success of the species over the success of the individual a case can be made for Eugenics using valid criteria. There isn't any logically consistent value system that supports selection based on bogus criteria like race.

  11. Re:Blow Germany? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    Annoying, really. Eugenics really had some potential for doing good - just a matter of convincing those with genetic diseases to not breed, and in a few generations they could be almost eliminated. But then the Nazis had to screw things up by taking the idea to extremes and mixing in a lot of unscientific rubbish about racial superiority, and they tarished the idea so much that it hasn't been taken seriously since.

    I've not heard of the Stones, but I gather Sanger was interested in contraception more as a tool of social reform than genetic tweeking. She wanted to stop the poor from breeding so heavily, as she viewed their high birth rate as one of the key things that kept them in poverty. Get them down from six children to just one, and they'd be more able to afford to get the one properly raised, educated, employed and no longer poor. Not true eugenics, as she was concerned only with socioeconomic factors rather than genetic.

  12. Re:Blow Germany? by rtb61 · · Score: 2

    Nazi Germany is a lesson in how things go badly, not necessarily all those things being bad. Democracy was corrupted in Germany to become fascism and then Nazism and that does not make democracy bad. Eugenics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics certainly went bad when it shifted from promoting sound social reproductive principles to executions of politically undesirables.

    A licence to reproduce and be responsible for bringing up children in a world 6.91 billion, really honestly doesn't seem all that unreasonable. It is going to happen or well, things will just get fugly.

    As for banning the swastika, that seems hardly fair to those nations where it was a symbol of well being and good luck for many thousands of years, just because with was abused by one political party in Germany for twenty odd years.

    When it comes to bad ideas, the best way to fight them is with a flood of good ideas not censorship. The reality is that those bad web pages are out numbered by 'good' web pages by a factor of millions to one. Better that those that produce 'bad' web pages, well, expose themselves and can be investigated to see if they are actually doing bad things.

    As for history, well, there never ever was an internet before, a least not for us short hair crested rock throwing monkeys, so we have yet to see how it will turn out. So far after 30 odd years of some pretty disgusting mass media propaganda, lies, distortions, and corporate corruption, the internet seems to being doing a reasonable of job of starting to rebuild the overall human social mind state.

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  13. Re:Blow Germany? by Sique · · Score: 2

    Most genetic diseases are recessive, so just advising people developing those diseases not to breed would not eliminate them at all - they still will be inherited, and only come to light when two people having the disease interbreed. To actually eliminate them you have to test all people for those diseases and then recommend to all the people carrying the right allele not to breed - but because everyone of us carries some defective alleles, no one would allowed to breed at all.

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  14. Re:stunningly useless (and more) by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2

    Let's go further.

    This report is actively dangerous, in a sort of flamebait FUD way.

    Let's just do one example - how about Sweden, (former?) home of the Pirate Bay and the Party thereon, and key pawn in the coercion attempt against, wait for it, Australian Julian Assange from the UK led by the US?

    Oh wait!

    Those three countries get slots 2, 4, and 5 and Sweden is ... uh... censored?

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  15. Re:Blow Germany? by microbox · · Score: 2

    Eugenics, and a few of its kindred cousins, however are alive and well.

    This is almost certainly one of a long list of social constructionist canards. There are probably a few eugenicists around; however, modern genetic research focuses on the dialogue between genes and environment.

    The biological basis of behaviour is well established (See Turkheimer 2000 for a summary), and after 100 yrs of social science, there is no theory that predicts behaviour from social forces. (Things like attachment theory, and the media effects of violence/gender have no empirical backing -- see Pinker's Blank Slate for an overview.)

    To preserve their "turf", so to speak, the humanities and social sciences are heavily invested in spreading myths about science and eugenics.

    You accuse Harper of being at home with "eugenist-like" ideas. This may be true, but what exactly are you talking about? Because if you mean racism, then you are equivocating. (Racism, btw, almost certainly has a biological basis, as does political preference, as revealed by split twin studies, and adoption studies.)

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  16. Re:Blow Germany? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is only a problem if you believe that breeding is a fundamental right. I do not.

    Free speech? Good idea. Freedom of religion? Good idea. Freedom of movement? Good idea. Free press? Good idea. A few obvious limitations of course, to prevent one person's use of their freedom from infringing upon the freedom of another, but in general good ideas. Freedom to pop out another human even if you are using known flawed genetic material, do not have the money to properly raise it or have a history of violence or mental illness? Not such a good idea.

    Look at it more like this: There are laws for adoption. Certain conditions which disqualify someone. Some criminal offences, mental illness, things which have been deemed by those elected to write laws to render a person unfit to be a perent. So we already recognise, in law, and with very little contriversy, that some people just are not fit to raise children. And yet if they can manage to get knocked up themselves - which is not a difficult task - they somehow have a right to go ahead anyway? That just doesn't make sense. If you can't meet some minimum standard of parenting, you shouldn't be entrusted with that type of responsibility.

  17. Re:Blow Germany? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 2

    You cannot be forced to sign a legally-binding document, and a document which you were forced to sign cannot be legally binding.