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Rumors of Higgs Boson Discovery At LHC
Magnifico writes "LiveScience is reporting that scientists are abuzz over a controversial rumor that the 'God particle' has been detected by a particle-detection experiment at LHC at CERN. The Higgs boson rumor is based on what appears to be a leaked internal note from physicists at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a 17-mile-long particle accelerator near Geneva, Switzerland. It's not entirely clear at this point if the memo is authentic... The buzz started when an anonymous commenter recently posted an abstract of the note on Columbia University mathematician Peter Woit's blog, Not Even Wrong. This could be a flat-out hoax or a statistical anomaly or... confirmation of the particle that bestows mass on all the other particles."
It is easter..... and it is a rumor too!
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to make hard-on jokes again?
If this is what I was hearing about at work on Friday (I'm a particle physicist), then it can't be the Higgs. The rate of production is too high by a factor of 40.
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wait... not that kind of sig.
with knowing how such a particle works one could rmeove gravity from other particle thus really doing neat things with stuff.
This isn't the first time this has happened. I don't know why this particular event is getting so much attention.
That said, one of the things that's exciting about this is that they are detecting it at higher energies than were expected by the Standard Model, which would mean that a few laws of physics might have to be rewritten. I love it when that happens. It's so boring when everything just falls into place where expected.
Oh, by the way, the new season of Doctor Who. There was something I wanted to mention about it. I just can't remember what it was. It's like on the tip of my tongue.
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Let's at least wait for the darn thing to be published.
And knowing how things go in scientific circles it will probably go like this:
Tevatron publishes a 3ð experiment and later refines it to 5ð "controversial, nothing, fluke"
LHC publishes a 3ð experiment that may be Higgs but with wrong mass, charge and color: "OMG Higgs was discovered"
how long until
It's just a "Budgeton". these things appear whenever funding gets shaky.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
So basically if we discover the particle that gives mass, then we figure out how to manipulate the particle that gives mass, does that mean we get mass effect drives? Because that would be AWESOME.
Seriously....
The Higgs-Boson is a predicted but until now unobserved particle (entity smaller than an atom) that is expected to have high mass.
The problem is that detection of this particle is very costly, involving a particle accelerator the length of nearly 35 football fields and a matching scale beneath it. Other particles are crammed together with great force many times per second using this accelerator, and if a heavy Higgs-Boson particle is created, the building weighs a little more than normally expected for a short time.
As you might have guessed, any sort of event that causes things to weigh slightly more or less, such as tectonic plate movement, tidal forces, or the rising of the sun must be anticipated and corrected for lest the system produces a false positive. A false positive is an ion (or particle) that looks positive at first, but is actually not. This leads to the occasional and premature celebration of the discovery of the Higgs-Boson, which is why this story is currently considered a rumor.
In the year 2011, scientists at Switzerland discovered the remains of an ancient particle. In the decades that followed, these mysterious particles revealed startling new technologies, enabling travel to the furthest stars. The basis for this incredible technology was a force that controlled the very fabric of space and time. They called it the greatest discovery in human history. The civilizations of the galaxy call it... MASS EFFECT.
Here's a Wired article about the rumoured Higgs sighting: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/04/higgs-rumor/
Strange how such a small rumor has so quickly acquired such large mass.
Discovering the Higgs Boson would be a huge confirmation of the Standard Model, but it seems like the only reason popular culture cares about it is because of its stupid nickname. Can we just agree to stop calling it "The God Particle?"
Discovery of the Higgs will lead to the theory which describes the unification of all forces, which will trigger the end times: Heaven on earth and the revealing of all truth.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19550880/GUT-The-Grand-Unified-Theory-A-oneact-play-with-seven-blackouts
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“The reports of my existence are greatly exaggerated”
Was this published by Social Text?
tomorrow who's gonna fuss
Someone left a copy of the note on the printer in my office building. (I work on CDF at Fermilab, but there are others in the building who work on ATLAS at CERN.) The gist of the article is that they found a bump in the diphoton mass spectrum at a mass of ~115 GeV. If the Higgs exists, it is expected to produce a bump in that spectrum, and 115 GeV is a very probable value for the mass of the Higgs. (Experiments at LEP ruled out masses up to 114 GeV, but a mass as low as possible above that fits best with other measurements.)
Now, the inconsistencies: The bump that they found is ~30 times as large as the Higgs mass peak is expected to be. However, due to field theory that I don't want to get into here, the Higgs peak in this spectrum could be larger than expected if there exist new, heavy particles that we haven't discovered yet. The latest published result from CDF sets a limit of about 30 times the expected rate at 115 GeV in the diphoton channel. (Yes, this means that, if you're optimistic enough, there's just enough wiggle room to fit a Higgs in there while accommodating both measurements.)
The internal note is very preliminary and uses a crude background estimate; I'll have to see a more thorough analysis before I make any judgment on it. We shouldn't have to wait very long; I expect that after this leak, they'll be working overtime to push out a full published result as soon as possible.
So we've got a Schrödinger memo here.. It is, could be or isn't, but in the end nobody knows what the fuck.. :)
isn't it meant to be the essence of mass?...
It will be showing itself randomly just to screw with those annoying physicists that keep trying to disturb it. Let's just hope it doesn't get mad.
*No, of course it doesn't.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
Seriously it's not science until it's reproducible. They don't detect just one particle, they detect multiple. Then they need to repeat it again and detect a similar number of events in the same amount of time. Then they optimize conditions and make a better detector now that they know what to look for. And then they change conditions such as doing it six months later on the opposite end of the earths orbit. A new particle takes six months to a year for initial confirmation.
Also if it's real.. it isn't the higgs as we have predicted so it's essentially a new particle somewhat similar to the higgs although I'm sure it will probably still end up being called that considering what has been spent if it all pans out.
Yeah, it spontaneously broke the symmetry between certainty and attention drawn. Or maybe it didn't.
how long until
Priest says "Hey! You're not allowed in here!"
HB says "Oh yeah? Without me you've got no mass!"
Buh-duh_boomph... I'm here all week...
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Just add some duct tape to it and all this will make sense!
But seriously, this is great. Either way, this sounds like an interesting discovery and I'm happy to be able to follow this as it unfolds. Rumors or no, this is what makes science exiting and there are far too few moments like this anymore....
I'm going to go listen to "still alive" now. Here's to science...
I wonder what would give the rumor its mass?
some cretin book editor changed it. Sold more books because of it too.
My kingdom for mod points! Your remark would deserve a +6 if such a thing existed.
Who started this trend anyhow and how can we make it stop?
.mpg would be fine too...
This is blinging
I'm not holding my breath. The team at CERN wont release anything till they checked out the data backwards, forwards and in all known dimensions,OK I'm just kidding! No doubt there will be a major press release with all known physicists getting their oar in, after all its referred to as the Gold particle. Just in time for Easter, pity its not egg shaped! hoho Beecee
It was spreading so fast, it's just relativistic mass.
thegodmovie.com - watch it
Would the alleged editors please pay just a little attention? "It's not entirely clear at this point if the memo is authentic... This could be a flat-out hoax or a statistical anomaly or... " or anything but a story. Have some shame.
The discovery of gravity’s exact mechanism along with that of dark matter has already taken place, way back in fall 2010. It is impossible to find any traces of Higgs boson as a QCD particle in the Hadron collider, neither can it show the existence of dark matter. The details of my discovery of how gravitation exactly works, http://www.anadish.com/ , and how it is produced in the framework of quantum mechanics are lying in wraps with the USPTO and I can only make it entirely public after there is clarity on how the USPTO is going to settle the issue of secrecy on my application. I consciously did not report to any peer-reviewed journal, fearing discrimination and possible piracy, because of my non-institutional status as a researcher. However, if the USPTO also continues with their non-committal secrecy review under LARS Level 2, then, anyway, my discovery may not get published for a long time to come, in spite of me having filed the US patent application (US 13/045,558) on March 11, 2011, after filing a mandatory Indian patent application on January 11, 2011.
The discovery of gravity’s exact mechanism along with that of dark matter has already taken place, way back in fall 2010. It is impossible to find any traces of Higgs boson as a QCD particle in the Hadron collider, neither can it show the existence of dark matter. The details of my discovery of how gravitation exactly works, http://www.anadish.com/ , and how it is produced in the framework of quantum mechanics are lying in wraps with the USPTO and I can only make it entirely public after there is clarity on how the USPTO is going to settle the issue of secrecy on my application. I consciously did not report to any peer-reviewed journal, fearing discrimination and possible piracy, because of my non-institutional status as a researcher. However, if the USPTO also continues with their non-committal secrecy review under LARS Level 2 (find the PDF of Private PAIR of the USPTO on my site), then, anyway, my discovery may not get published for a long time to come, in spite of me having filed the US patent application (US 13/045,558) on March 11, 2011, after filing a mandatory Indian patent application on January 11, 2011. Till, I find a clue to come out of the maze of government regulations, unless, of course, the USPTO decides to put it out of secrecy.
so what about that flashforward? It would at least be interesting for everybody.
All this excitement of an 'anonymous' post on a blog.
Did any of you actually read the article?
(Note - no background in particle physics. Except for particles as large as, say, an apple dangling from a tree in gravity. =) )
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If it's not reproducible, it's not science
The Multiverse is coming..
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Only official ATLAS results, i.e. results that have undergone all the necessary scientific checks
by the Collaboration, should be taken seriously, ! The rest is just a silly talk !
Somebody get working on an antiboson