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The iPad's Progenitor — 123 Years Ago

scurtis writes "All technology evolves from cruder predecessors, and tablets are no different. People have been playing with some of the technologies underlying tablet PCs for over a century: In July 1888, for example, inventor Elisha Gray received a US patent for an electrical stylus device that captured handwriting. According to his original application, this 'telautograph' leveraged telegraph technology to send a handwritten message between a sending and receiving station."

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  1. Lawsuit! by DWMorse · · Score: 2

    I smell a lawsuit. Moses had the first tablets, right? I'm sure he at least copyrighted the term "tablet". Pay up.

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    1. Re:Lawsuit! by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 2

      Till the Ark of the Covenant turns up that prior art can't be proven.

    2. Re:Lawsuit! by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I think this Elisha Gray guy was more than a parable, though.

    3. Re:Lawsuit! by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Till the Ark of the Covenant turns up that prior art can't be proven.

      We have top people looking into it. Top people

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    4. Re:Lawsuit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pretty sure "looking into it" is what got all those people's faces melted off.

    5. Re:Lawsuit! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Come on Apple thought about it. Everyone knows Moses' tablets were rectangular with a curvy arc for the top side. OK OK not everyone. Only those who saw "The Ten Commandments" by Cecil B DeMille but the principle is the same. The bottom corners were not rounded. That is why Apple patented the "rectangle with rounded corner" tablet.

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    6. Re:Lawsuit! by CWSmith1701 · · Score: 1

      I think this Elisha Gray guy was more than a parable, though.

      Yes, he was at least a Psalm.

    7. Re:Lawsuit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, he was at least a Psalm.

      Psalm Pilot.

    8. Re:Lawsuit! by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Till the Ark of the Covenant turns up that prior art can't be proven.

      We have top people looking into it. Top people

      I see you altered the quote to be politically correct.

    9. Re:Lawsuit! by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Moses had the first tablets, right?

      Maybe true, but they had poor durability and no back or recovery...

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    10. Re:Lawsuit! by davester666 · · Score: 2

      No.

      Apple had to go with having a single button on the front because those 'original' tablets had zero. Once the patent expires, then no more button!

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    11. Re:Lawsuit! by Hylandr · · Score: 0

      You mis-quoted, that's Top Men

      - Dan.

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    12. Re:Lawsuit! by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Mod Up!!

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    13. Re:Lawsuit! by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      If Moses weren't holding them wrong maybe the people wouldn't have gone off and built that idol.

      - Dan.
       

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    14. Re:Lawsuit! by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Crap, you are right. I couldn't remember the exact quote so I looked it up online. Apparently I failed.

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    15. Re:Lawsuit! by locallyunscene · · Score: 1

      Uh Oh, it looks like legal action has been taken concerning this case already.

      To Apple IncSTOP
      It has come to my attention that you are infringing on my patent for the autotelegraph deviceSTOP
      Prepare to relinquish all patent claims concerning the iPad device to my estate for verificationSTOP

      Sent from my iAutotelegraph deviceFULLSTOP

    16. Re:Lawsuit! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Till the Ark of the Covenant turns up that prior art can't be proven.

      We have top people looking into it. Top people

      I see you altered the quote to be politically correct.

      Yeah, fancy fucking with a classic quote like that, what's the world coming to? Next thing you know the liberals will make homosexuality compulsory for school children, and burn honest Christians at the stake for calling a spade a spade.

      "There is no freedom without the freedom to flog a man's own slaves to death" - Thomas Jefferson

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    17. Re:Lawsuit! by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Also, pray I don't alter it more.

      (See what I did there?)

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  2. iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What BS. An ancient handwriting recorder has as much to do with the iPad as does pencil and paper.

    1. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Personally I find this offensive. The article says it is so simple that a grandmother can use it. I am a 49 yo feminist grandmother and C programmer. I think I could use something more complex.

    2. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 2

      Never stopped a patent troll...

    3. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Some people might find it offensive that a 49 year old is a grandparent. Each to their own?

      And anyway, I know of C programmers that can't figure out how to use a microwave. I'm not sure what your point is.

    4. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Eh? Having a kid at 24 and a half, and then having that kid have a kid at 24 and a half isn't really that outrageous.

    5. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I searched the article (online and pdf) for the word simple or grand and found neither. I also think I've since this post before. I have no idea who wasted mod points on an AC that seems to be trolling.

    6. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Seumas · · Score: 1

      SLUTS! :P

    7. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1

      How does one "have that kid have a kid at" any age? Holy Orders? That's some wacky cult, that is!

      You are correct, however, in asserting that 24 and a half is a perfectly reasonable age to have a first child.

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    8. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, what if she were a great grandmother at 48? 16/16/16?

    9. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by webmistressrachel · · Score: 2

      This would be legal (in the UK) but outrageous. Don't get me started on the failings of the welfare state, please...

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    10. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inside joke?

      yep thats it.. WOOOOOSHHH

      search slashdot for similar comments from a while ago

    11. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      GILFS!

    12. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +5 troll modding for this troll in the past:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=107840&cid=9175401

      Totally epic.

    13. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This would be legal (in the UK) but outrageous. Don't get me started on the failings of the welfare state, please...

      It's legal in the U.S. too and not really outrageous. Maybe frowned upon, maybe. Two 16 year olds can make a baby. I would speculate that it is more normal world wide and historically than abnormal. I know of no other animal that waits so long after hitting reproductive age to actually reproduce.

      To be sure, for humans, waiting can be beneficial. The ability to pursue education being the main one. I'm not so sure there is a 'failing of the welfare state' more than diminishing of family structure. Industrialization brings many things to a society that weaken the dependence and therefore strength of family.

      The automobile has scattered families. Moving off of farms has cut our rate of offspring at least in half. Independence from each other has made it much easier to divorce. The ability to be financially independent seems to be a factor in the divorce rate as divorce rates usually decline in economic slumps.

      House insurance means you don't have to depend on your neighbors to help you rebuild. The modern world gives us independence. Unfortunately that brings problems when what family structure remains consists of a dozen or less people. When someone honestly needs help it can strain that small circle. I'm not sure how to address the underlying problems/freedoms that industrialization has given us.

    14. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a ancient and hilarious troll, and it deserves the +Funny mod it got.

    15. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      iPad has nothing to do with handwriting

      True, and interesting. If you weren't a coward, I'd give you a point. Back when "Palm Pilots," The Newton and their ilk arrived nearly twenty years ago, it was all about handwriting capture. I remember university profs that would write in Palm Graffiti (Google it) on the blackboards. Today, no one writes with a stylus on their tablets...

    16. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Hylandr · · Score: 2

      This would be legal (in the UK) but outrageous. Don't get me started on the failings of the welfare state, please...

      It's legal in the U.S. too and not really outrageous. Maybe frowned upon, maybe. Two 16 year olds can make a baby. I would speculate that it is more normal world wide and historically than abnormal. I know of no other animal that waits so long after hitting reproductive age to actually reproduce.

      To be sure, for humans, waiting can be beneficial. The ability to pursue education being the main one. I'm not so sure there is a 'failing of the welfare state' more than diminishing of family structure. Industrialization brings many things to a society that weaken the dependence and therefore strength of family.

      The automobile has scattered families. Moving off of farms has cut our rate of offspring at least in half. Independence from each other has made it much easier to divorce. The ability to be financially independent seems to be a factor in the divorce rate as divorce rates usually decline in economic slumps.

      House insurance means you don't have to depend on your neighbors to help you rebuild. The modern world gives us independence. Unfortunately that brings problems when what family structure remains consists of a dozen or less people. When someone honestly needs help it can strain that small circle. I'm not sure how to address the underlying problems/freedoms that industrialization has given us.

      If civilization were to collapse, human reproduction will return to it's natural state. Any natural human condition should therefore not be considered an abnormality in a civilized society. That we as a race would look down on each other for applying ourselves to the primary purpose of our existence suggests that this society should not replenish itself. Society, through occasional welfare, is ensuring the continuation of our societies through the rigors of an industrialized nations in flux.

      - Dan.

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    17. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by camelrider · · Score: 1

      What BS. An ancient handwriting recorder has as much to do with the iPad as does pencil and paper.

      Mr. Gray's device transmitted an image of the writing electronically. (sp?) A pen and paper could record it. Or charcoal on a wall...

    18. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      This would be legal (in the UK) but outrageous. Don't get me started on the failings of the welfare state, please...

      Would one of the failings of the welfare state be that we no longer consider it acceptable for children to work in factories at twelve years old to provide food money for their sick parents, so the little sluts just go off and spend their time making babies?

      I'm just guessing here.

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    19. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      YMBNH, this comes up every now and then, it's a classic troll as it manages to wind up so many varieties of people at once.

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    20. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to work at a CVS in a fairly 'African-American' area. I cannot count the number of Escalades coming through the drive-through paying for their prescriptions with Medi* I saw on a daily basis. Explain to me again how we are ensuring the continuation of 'our' society? All I see is rewarding and reinforcing all the behavior that keeps the ghetto, well, ghetto. That and letting liberals wash away their guilt with other people's money.

    21. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by gerddie · · Score: 1
      Actually, I only found out now, but:

      In 2008 an unauthorized version of Graffiti was introduced for iOS (iPhone and iPad) devices. An Android version was released in 2010 by ACCESS CO., LTD. of Japan, which acquired the rights to Graffiti when it acquired PalmSource, Inc. in 2005.

      Source

    22. Re:iPad has nothing to do with handwriting by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Sadly, there is no explaining Ghetto. I don't get it either. There are those deemed less than worthy by their own actions that make things hard for the rest of us. It is those people that cannot be allowed to base the example used to set the bar.

      - Dan.

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  3. We used something similar at work... by pongo000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...in the mid-80's, we used a similar device to send weather observations from the air traffic control tower I worked at (FYV) to the flight service station across the field. It would literally duplicate every stroke you made on the other end. IIRC, we called it the "electrowriter."

    A few years later, they replaced it with a rebadged TI-99A that was "state of the art" for the FAA (and probably cost them thousands of dollars) where we could magically type in our ATIS report, and have them appear at the other end on a little amber monitor with attached thermal printer. High times those were!

    1. Re:We used something similar at work... by pongo000 · · Score: 4, Informative

      And I'll be damned if this isn't the very device!

    2. Re:We used something similar at work... by bytesex · · Score: 1

      Wasn't there a special internet protocol developed for this in the early nineties: 'whiteboard' or something ?

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  4. Apple patent suit out of this world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely the Gene Roddenberry and Mike Osaka own the copyright for an iPad like device. Apple cannot refute the fact that they blatently stole this tech from the captain's ready room on the NCC-1701-D.

    1. Re:Apple patent suit out of this world by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      I bet this guy sold it to Steve.

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  5. Beware the wrath of Jobs, not Moses. by pro151 · · Score: 1

    Apple's lawyers are filing multiple lawsuits as we type these comments!

    1. Re:Beware the wrath of Jobs, not Moses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      <shatner>JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBS!</shatner>

      I shouldn't use so many caps. It's like yelling, or so I'm told.

  6. Isn't this more like a FAX? by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean, seriously, this is more like a FAX technology than a tablet PC if you ask me.

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    1. Re:Isn't this more like a FAX? by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except the fax was invented even earlier, 1843 by Scottish physicist Alexander Bain. It had a light-sensitive element on pendulum for sending on telegraph line, and printer for receiving.

    2. Re:Isn't this more like a FAX? by jessehager · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, Telautograph (the company that made these) was bought out by OMNIFax (which later became part of Danka). I used to fix these machines. And they were in use at least to the mid 1990's. Hospitals used them to send prescriptions from the ER to the pharmacy. This allowed a doctor to write out a prescription and have it simultaneously written out in the pharmacy in their own handwriting. The machines were pure analog and were a pain to adjust and maintain. A pair of rheostats encoded the pen position and a switch sensed when it was pressed to the paper. The signal was encoded and sent to the receiver where a pair of servo solenoids replicated the movement of the pen.

    3. Re:Isn't this more like a FAX? by rs79 · · Score: 1

      I worked at Telautograph in 1988 to 1990. The telewriters with the articulated arms gave way to the fax machines of the 60s and they were replace by the Omninote which was a small desktop terminal with a 2 line vacuum flourescent display, keyboard and small printer, used to send messages *over the power line*, so, for use inside one building. I did try to get them to send via uucp but they were not interested in that in 88. They had pretty interesting network software, if a node couldn't communicate with another node, it relayed through another node that could, power lines aren't the cleanest things to send signals on, especially when they're 90V with huge motors going on and off at random.

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    4. Re:Isn't this more like a FAX? by westlake · · Score: 1

      I mean, seriously, this is more like a FAX technology than a tablet PC if you ask me.

      More like a pantograph or auto-pen.

      It would have been like standing at the side of the sender as he wrote out his message. You can't get more trustworthy than that.

      The transmitter consists of a stylus which is mechanically connected, through two sets of levers and appropriate swivel joints, to the contact arms of two variable rheostats in such a way that the horizontal and vertical components of the stylus movement are translated into corresponding current variations in two lines connecting the receiver. At the receiver the variations in the line currents produce similar movements in two coils or "buckets" within a magnetic field. The movements of these coils are communicated through a system of levers to a writing pen which reproduces the movements of the sending stylus.

      margins : telautography [The Gray and Tiffany patents with high quality illustrations and photographs]

      Gray displayed his telautograph invention in 1893 at the Chicago Columbian Exposition and sold his share in the telautograph shortly after that. Gray was also chairman of the International Congress of Electricians at the World's Columbian Exposition of 1893.

      Elisha Gray

      It marks a strange turn-around from Bell's famous - half-legendary - demonstration of the telephone at the 1876 Centennial Expo in Philadelphia - where Gray, a founding engineer of Western Union, had been a mere specator on holiday.

    5. Re:Isn't this more like a FAX? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telautograph equipment also found use at racetracks. They were used after each race to transmit the prices (a.k.a. payouts) for each parimutuel wagering pool (Win, Place, Show, Exacta, e.g.) from the calculating room to each line of cashier windows throughout the facility; I assume that this means that the Telautograph could operate in a one-transmitter-to-many-receivers configuration. Closed-circuit TV had largely made the Telautograph obsolete for this purpose in the 1970s. I recall seeing the remnants of deactivated Telautograph installations at several tracks, and got to see one of them that remained in use as late as the 1980s. This would probably have been at a track that used an older totalisator system built on relays and stepper switches.

      The advent of minicomputer-based price calculators and totalisator systems in the 1965..1970 time frame had made it possible to drive a video character generator directly from the computer; my boss had designed a multichannel character generator system for this purpose circa 1974..75, when the 8080 microprocessor was just a fuzzy mimeographed data sheet. (It had to be multichannel to display different payouts at the $2, the $5 window, $10 window, etc.) But the older relay systems remained in use at smaller racetracks.

    6. Re:Isn't this more like a FAX? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it is a crude quantum entanglement device. What you do here happens automatically over there.

  7. Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's funny how folk nowadays think that the pads/tablets are something new and innovative. Go Corp had a pen based, handwriting recognition tablet with an innovative GUI on the market back in 1990. However, it was a classic example of a technology looking for a market...which hasn't seemed to develop until 2 decades later.

    1. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      the GRiDPad by GRiD Systems Corporation beats that, introduced in 1989. it ran MS-DOS.

    2. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by peragrin · · Score: 0

      well lets take a look at what previsou generations of tablets lacked.

      (1)wireless networking(3G or Wifi)
      (2)Broad adoption of said wireless networking meaning you can go many places and connect.
      (3)Battery life, while some ran well on regular batteries in general you didn't get very far.
      (4)Poor screen quality, sure an 80 by 180 character display might seem awesome, but until you start to use it you realize just how small it is compared to a sheet of paper.
      (5)Weight. components were large and weighed a lot the first notebooks weren't really a "laptop" as they weighed in at 10-15 pounds. Even the tablets of 9 years ago weighed as much as regular laptop at 4-6 pounds each.

      That won't even get into the software differences between the 80's 90's(newton) and today.

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    3. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      But the point is that the concept was similar.

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    4. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right the iPad just adds today's existing tech to decades/centuries old ideas. Nothing new and nothing really that innovative. They put it together well and most people who have one really enjoy them but I don't think there's much that should be patentable.

    5. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I see you're not too familiar with the Go. We're not talking about the Compaq luggable here. Here's what the Go had:
      • 1. Wireless networking
      • 2. Yes indeed, Go was too early to market, and sure enough, there was no broad adoption of wireless
      • 3. Ran for hours
      • 4. Good screen quality for the era, about 7 x 9 (screen) in a tablet form factor of about 8.8 x 11
      • 5. About 3-4 lbs
    6. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by six11 · · Score: 1

      Jean Ward has a compilation of historical references of pen computing. If you're interested in a overview of the past ~100 years of pen computing, check it out.

    7. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      In concept, locomotives and automobiles are similar - they are self-propelled vehicles. In practice, nobody wants a mega-car with a steam engine, so you had to wait until internal combustion came around to get one.

    8. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by sjames · · Score: 1

      Sure, but nevertheless, that means the modern pad is simply a result of a slow but steady evolution of the basic technology to catch up with 30 year old (or more) concepts. Not some modern revolutionary thing worthy of a zillion new patents.

    9. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In practice, nobody wants a mega-car with a steam engine

      HEY! Speak for yourself!

    10. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fail on your analogy. One is restricted to pre-determined routes, the other is autonomous and can even go where routes were never envisioned.

    11. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Cugnot.

    12. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's missing the point. The point is that the identifying trait - the ability to have handwriting recognised by a tablet device - hasn't changed. Everything else is bells and whistles and, while it might be the reason such devices are now more popular, it would still be more accurate to say this is the predecessor to early 90's tablets. But, of course, that would lack the iPad buzzword that's a necessity to get a trite tablet related article into the news aggregators.

    13. Re:Other Progenetors....the Go Computer by intheshelter · · Score: 1

      Fail on your understanding of his point. Saying the concept is similar does in fact make his analogy worthwhile.

  8. Prior art! by Crummosh · · Score: 1

    All Apple's iPad patents are invalid!

    1. Re:Prior art! by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      All your patents are belong to us. - Steve Jobs

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  9. This has nothing to do with iPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-io-Personal-Digital-Pen/dp/B00006JP23

    Amazing.

  10. "iPad progenitor"? by snsh · · Score: 1

    It's annoying when people make statements about how they "predicted" something 10 years ago, or someone "invented" something 100 years ago, trying to diminish the accomplishments of what people are doing today.

    1. Re:"iPad progenitor"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Heh. I had the opposite reaction: it's annoying when the modern ego gets so huge that big chunks of history have to be recast as before-their-time flops that all lead up to [our new product, the best thing ever, GO BUY IT].

    2. Re:"iPad progenitor"? by quenda · · Score: 1

      or they could just be trying to increase clicks and ad-revenue by inserting iSomething into every tech article, no matter how remotely (ir)relevant.

    3. Re:"iPad progenitor"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's iRelevant! :)

  11. Really? by guspasho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I the only one annoyed that it's obvious from the summary that this device is nothing even remotely like an iPad? How is this even news?

    1. Re:Really? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      You aren't. We need a word for this kind of article. I mean, the device in the article is cool on its own, but this is total crap. It should be good enough to just do an article on it; aaaaaaaagh.

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    2. Re:Really? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Soon stories on gene splicing or astrophysics will have iPad tie-ins. iPads might not sell, but they draw eyes!

    3. Re:Really? by drolli · · Score: 1

      Its also flat. Tomorrow: Device similar to e-book reader invented in the 17th century.

    4. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This reminds me of the ads in computer magazines thrown together by Mad. Ave types who are obviously bored with their client's product. For example: "This starfish (pictured) has no central intelligence. But your company doesn't have to be that way! Use NewAndImproved Business Intelligence 2.0..."

    5. Re:Really? by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      We need a word for this kind of article.

      How about... "padded". It's both a pun and descriptive inasmuch as a useless comparison was added to the article, probably to get more views.

    6. Re:Really? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      I like it, but it leaves out the angle that the article would probably have never been written if it weren't for the opportunity to pad it. Maybe paddified? Padtastic? Bogopadded? (Bogus + padded)

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    7. Re:Really? by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I agree. I can't come up with any variant I really like, though.

    8. Re:Really? by lxs · · Score: 1

      This is indeed nothing like an iPad. This had functional stylus input.

    9. Re:Really? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Soon stories on gene splicing or astrophysics will have iPad tie-ins. iPads might not sell, but they draw eyes!

      I always like the ones about how iPads are helping to cure cancer, because, er, some cancer doctors are carrying around iPads to write notes on.

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    10. Re:Really? by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      iPads might not sell

      Since when do iPads not sell? As much as I personally find them useless, they do seem to sell.

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  12. The iPad doesn't work with a stylus by loufoque · · Score: 1

    AFAIK it only works with fingers.

    1. Re:The iPad doesn't work with a stylus by Graff · · Score: 1

      AFAIK it only works with fingers.

      oblig lmgtfy:
      clicky

  13. iPad, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you get the memo? Anything that uses electricity, is handheld and may or may not allow handwriting onto it is at least tangentially related to an iPad, therefore a valid target for a headline!

  14. Seems more like the Newton's Progenitor by spagthorpe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The iPad doesn't do anything with handwriting.

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    1. Re:Seems more like the Newton's Progenitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iPad doesn't do anything.

      There. Fixed that for ya. ^^

    2. Re:Seems more like the Newton's Progenitor by intheshelter · · Score: 1

      Youo blindly hate Apple

      There. Fixed that for ya. ^^

  15. Eat up Martha by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

    I remember when the Newton first came out and there was a huge line at some trade show (probably Comdex). Word quickly filtered back that the handwriting recognition sucked balls and made it pretty pointless. People started wandering off. I didn't bother waiting and never saw a Newton in the wild. Oddly enough, I saw tons of Palms and I remember you had to learn some quirky shorthand to "write" on it and everyone seemed to embrace that concept despite the earlier refusal to learn how to write on a Newton.

    1. Re:Eat up Martha by grouchomarxist · · Score: 1

      This is because the Newton was marketed as having handwriting recognition while the Palm was marketed as having a system to write with using a stylus. The Newton was also supposed to learn your handwriting, so over time the errors were supposed to become less frequent, but in my experience that didn't work either. (The second generation Newton was supposed to be better, but I never got around to using it.)

    2. Re:Eat up Martha by Hodapp · · Score: 1

      I used a Newton eMate for awhile and its handwriting recognition was actually the best on anything I'd ever used. However, other things - such as the device being mind-bogglingly slow (though I suppose the Newton MessagePads were fine) and any sort of good syncing with a modern computer being at best a convoluted mess - made it less than useful for me.

  16. Just a century too late by HeavyDevelopment · · Score: 1

    to become a patent troll. He could of set up shop in East Texas.

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  17. iii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    rd

  18. I Thought... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought that the iPad's progenitor was the Etch A Sketch.

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    1. Re:I Thought... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I thought that the iPad's progenitor was the Etch A Sketch.

      But only oneof them can be used for serious artistic work.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  19. Works fine with a stylus by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    Just has to be capacitive.

    1. Re:Works fine with a stylus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...so long as you don't mind less precision than a dull crayon, and no pressure sensitivity. Also, with an aftermarket "stylus", there will be no integration with the interface.

      Like many others, I await a good tablet with a real stylus. This would probably be best served by an Android platform, which would allow developers to augment or replace the input system.

    2. Re:Works fine with a stylus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever watched anyone try and write with a stylus on an Ipad
      Bloody great laugh

      The best that can be achieved is something that looks like a child playing with a large marking pen.

    3. Re:Works fine with a stylus by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Like many others, I await a good tablet with a real stylus. This would probably be best served by an Android platform, which would allow developers to augment or replace the input system.

      Android?

      Pah. Maemo.

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  20. Uh, bit of a reach there... by geekmux · · Score: 1

    C'mon now, trying to find a parallel between a modern computing device like an iPad and a patent involving the telegraph is a bit like trying to give the caveman who invented the wheel partial credit for the design of a Toyota Corolla. Bit too far of a reach if you ask me.

    Besides, damn near everything we "invent" these days was birthed out of another idea or seven. Of course the hard proof of this is when you take your "original" invention to the manufacturer only to find out some patent troll already has a dozen patents on "your" design...

    1. Re:Uh, bit of a reach there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, pretty much sums up Slashdot these days.

      News for Nerds, Stuff that matters. - very rare these days

      Unfortunately its hard to find a website that doesn't fawn all over Apple or Facebook these days

  21. 3-4 lbs? by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    That's massive for the tablet form factor. Various eReader fans claim that the iPad, at less than a pounds and a half, is far too heavy to be used comfortably.

    Aside from which, it's mostly (but not entirely) pointless without (2).

  22. Fax machines by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Anyone remember those things? You know, the ones that scanners and email replaced? This thing was the progenitor of *those*, not the iPad.

    1. Re:Fax machines by georgesdev · · Score: 1

      Stay on the scene, like a fax machine

  23. Yes, a telautograph by Animats · · Score: 1

    Telautographs were used well into the 1970s. You write or draw at one end, and the pen at the other end follows. That's all they do. Railroads used to use them for train orders, which had to be signed. They have zero relationship with the iPad. (The Newton, which had pen input, maybe.)

    Early telautographs suffered from the usual problem of pre-vacuum tube electrical devices - they needed signal amplification. That was really hard to do before tubes, let alone transistors. There's a long history of early amplifying devices, all of them awful. Grey's patent shows one mechanical approach. Later (tube) versions used analog audio tones, so they could transmit over phone lines.

    I've been looking for one. I sometimes restore antique Teletype equipment, especially pre-1930 machines.

    1. Re:Yes, a telautograph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have zero relationship with the iPad. (The Newton, which had pen input, maybe.)

      Correct. The iPad does not do handwriting recognition, so at least in that aspect the 1888 device is more advanced than the iPad.

  24. Comparing a light bulb to a Jumbotron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actualy, the closest thing to an iPad would be the little chalkboards they used in school back then.

  25. Why haven't we used this? by DaneM · · Score: 1

    Although this is only like an iPad in the most ostensible sense, I still find it amazing for its time, given what it can do. Really, we still don't have a fax device (i.e. one that you write on and it prints to paper on the other side) that can do anything like this. Sure, we have email, scanners, etc., but this sort of device could be really useful for when you have to fill out a lot of hand-written forms and such remotely. Despite the advent of PDFs and other formats with fillable fields, some forms in use by the US government and various businesses still require actual handwriting. This would also be great for editing a hand-drawn design cooperatively with somebody on the other end. Even though you can do that on a computer, through various input devices, I still find pencil-and-paper far more intuitive. This could also be very cool for messing with D&D and other RPG character sheets if you're teleconferencing an RPG session and aren't using a virtual tabletop. (Some games still aren't supported, or are supported badly. Also, some people just like pencil-and-paper over digital formats for its easy customization and erase-ability.)

    Does anybody know why this hasn't been made into a modern equivalent? Was it ever put into production in the 19th and 20th centuries? More than the device itself, I find it amazing that most people have never heard of such a thing, other than its distantly-related tablet PCs and similar. This would have been of great service during the various war efforts before the digital age, and still may be of some use in situations where it's impractical to power a computer or similar (such as in a 3rd-world country where electrical communication lines could be established but power is unreliable--just insert 4 AA batteries!). Given some good encryption, this could have been/could still be used as a sort of Enigma device where practical.

  26. Stylus? Meh... by mr_lizard13 · · Score: 1

    If you see a stylus, they blew it.

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  27. Just the FAX, maam. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

    Ipad whoring.

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  28. That's a bad example... by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2

    Wasn't it the Incas and the Maya who never developed the wheel? It is not an obvious invention, especially as it is useless on its own - you need roads or rails to use it efficiently. "cavemen" didn't invent the wheel - the Stonehenge builders are believed to have used round stones or logs to move the large stones, and they had quite an advanced Bronze Age society. There is a case that the inventor of the actual wheel - with a hub and axle - (and there must actually have been a first one) should have partial credit for modern civilisation. But it was Roman roads that made the wheel so useful. Here in the UK, up until the advent of railways, once you were off what was mainly the Roman road network wheels were of limited use, and water was a far more effective means of transport. The "Great Trek" and the Westward invasion of the US was done at under 2mph.

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    1. Re:That's a bad example... by locallyunscene · · Score: 1

      Actually it wasn't roads that made them useful. The Inca and Maya had roads; they had empires. What they didn't have was animals to draw the carts. What good is a carriage or chariot without a horse, a cart without a donkey, or a wagon without an ox? The first bicycle wasn't invented until the 1800's.

  29. The Roman iPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tablets have been around for thousands of years

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wax_tablet

  30. expired by georgesdev · · Score: 1

    that's why patents expire!

  31. The reason for this article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The role reason for posting this article is to astroturf the meme "iPad".

    What nonsense.

  32. They had that back then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Writing on a flat surface? OMG! And then you could send this information like a telegraph? Yes, I hand write and send messages on my iPad all the time. Boy, these guys were spot on.

  33. apple must be SUED! by Bigashnigg · · Score: 0

    Wow, for once it looks as if somebody should sue apple, and yes i do not want to capitalize their name, I hate apple. But, it looks like apple has stolen somebody else's patent. They should be sued, we need to find immediate family and sue the shit out of apple. Give they a taste of their own medicine, I am sick of seeing apple suing this, or apple suing that, I want to see the tables turned. Wouldn't that be awesome. XD

  34. I have an iPad by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    Works fine.

    So there.