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Cracker-Size Satellites To Launch With Endeavour

Obfiscator writes with news of the upcoming deployment of satellite-on-a-chip devices measuring just 3.8cm x 3.8cm x 0.2cm. The satellites are set to launch with Endeavour on its final flight. "These three miniature satellites are being launched as a proof-of-concept. As such, they're being deployed in very low orbit, and should return to earth fairly quickly in order to avoid becoming dangers for other satellites. 'They each contain seven solar cells, a microprocessor, an antenna and amplifier, power storage in capacitors, and switching circuitry to turn on the microprocessor when the stored energy is enough to create a single radio-frequency emission.' Due to their size, atmospheric drag would slow them down without burning them up, allowing them to study the uppermost atmosphere of wherever they are deployed next: Venus, Titan, Europe, and Jupiter are all possibilities."

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  1. Easier ways to get the job done by Max+Hyre · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can't they sample the atmosphere over Europe with meteorology balloons?

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    1. Re:Easier ways to get the job done by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      Easier yes, but its more fun to watch the Europeans squirm as we drop pickup drivin', shotgun shootin', hound dog ownin', flag wavin', Bud swillin' good ol' boys across their lovely continent.

  2. Europe? by moosehooey · · Score: 1

    Do they expect Europe to have a different atmosphere than the rest of the world?

    1. Re:Europe? by tbird81 · · Score: 1

      And...typo in summary?

      No, of course not. Not on Slashdot (TM).

    2. Re:Europe? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Yeah it doesn't have all the particulates and oxides and hydro carbons necessary for life as we know it.

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    3. Re:Europe? by slick7 · · Score: 1

      Do they expect Europe to have a different atmosphere than the rest of the world?

      They do in Amsterdam.

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  3. All these worlds are yours... by Bieeanda · · Score: 4, Funny

    Except Europe. Attempt no landing there.

    1. Re:All these worlds are yours... by isorox · · Score: 3, Funny

      Except Europe. Attempt no landing there.

      Ahh, that explains why I spent 2 hours circling over Heathrow this morning

    2. Re:All these worlds are yours... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Who you callin' a cracker?

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  4. Oversight by Max+Hyre · · Score: 2

    Damn! I completely forgot the tags. I guess some folks really need it.

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    1. Re:Oversight by MakinBacon · · Score: 1

      I use XML for everything, you insensitive clod!

  5. Oooops, first step to the Matrioshka Brain! by matsh · · Score: 1

    Oooops, first step to the Matrioska Brain! https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Matrioshka_brain

    1. Re:Oooops, first step to the Matrioshka Brain! by hierophanta · · Score: 1

      a small solar powered computer is the first step to a large solar powered computer? amazing.

  6. Meh by atari2600a · · Score: 1

    At least they didn't use a white guy as their stock art...

  7. So... Triscuit satellites, then? by macraig · · Score: 1

    Because, you know, the surface of a Triscuit would be pretty much perfect for a solar cell? Uh-oh... is Sladhdot gonna receive a takedown notice now because I called 'em that?

  8. Crackers in Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When reached at his home earlier this afternoon, Chris Rock declined to comment.

  9. Temperature control? by kanweg · · Score: 1

    These things will cool down quickly up there. What's in their design that they can keep operating?

    Bert

    1. Re:Temperature control? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      They will cool down when not exposed to light but that will be for 45 minutes at a time at the most.

    2. Re:Temperature control? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      stop posting drunk. What they will give us is a way to measure a few interesting properties of the upper atmosphere. With a few coherent receivers, we'l be able to measure their temperature and infer the temperature of the atmosphere up there. Seconds, the orbital decay will let us measure the air density, and third, they'll let us measure ionospheric properties up to the satellites. It's a very interesting experiment, and the ground segment will cost a lot more than the space vehicles. They can probably also do some other interesting things that I haven't though of while drunk, but I've got you beat.

  10. a cracker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How big is a cracker? Kinda pasty white colored tall thing...about 165lbs?

  11. I'm a PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's "European-American-Size", you insensitive clod!

  12. "Chip" Sats, fundamentally new kind of spacecraft? by wisebabo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's my story submission which according to slashdot logs I submitted on Thursday, April 28@1:25am. I assume this was just an oversight on the part of the editors, no problem, I just wanted to bring up the larger (smaller?) issues regarding having spacecraft design directly coupled to the exponentially increasing (decreasing?) semiconductor fabrication industry which has been in progress now for over half a century.

    "Here's a way to harness Moore's law (which has given us many orders of magnitudes of improvement) to spaceflight (which is still using technology more or less developed in the middle of the 20th century). Some researchers at Cornell will be launching their "Chip" sats, tiny 1" square satellites affixed(?) to the Endeavour space shuttle. "Their small size allows them to travel like space dust," said Peck. "Blown by solar winds, they can 'sail' to distant locations without fuel. ..." Hopefully they "may travel to Saturn within the next decade, and as they flutter down through its atmosphere, they will collect data about chemistry, radiation and particle impacts."

    While I really believe this is the future, I do have some questions. Although much can be miniaturized (nano-rized?), I'm wondering about some things such as optics (for cameras) and antenna/power (for transmitting the results back home). So while these may very well flutter down Saturn's atmosphere, there may need to be a large(r) mothership capable of transmitting the results home. (This was the mechanism used by Greg Bear in his novel "Queen of Angels" where his interstellar ship dropped "coin" sized probes to explore the worlds of Alpha Centauri.)

    With the retirement of Endeavour we have the end of one technology coinciding with the birth of another."

  13. Why are we still bothering with Astronauts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If we are the point where a space probe (albeit a limited one) can be fit onto a single chip, why are we still bothering with expensive and fragile humans in outer space?

    1. Re:Why are we still bothering with Astronauts? by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      Practice. If we can find better ways to get a few people into space we increase our chances of figuring out how to do it on a larger scale.

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    2. Re:Why are we still bothering with Astronauts? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      why are we still bothering with expensive and fragile humans in outer space?

      Because Meat in Space is actually interesting?

      Then again, probably the only way to get modern people interested in any kind of space exploration is if those tiny satellites tweeted their informaation. Then it would be cool.

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  14. 902 MHz and counting by brindafella · · Score: 1

    There are three of them, this time. However, they are talking about 10,000/tonne. What happens when that swarm get to low Earth orbit? Some will inevitably persist; it would only take a nudge at launch and they'll remain near the ISS. Who gets to plot all of them; and, who gets to authorise a launch through the swarm or its remnants? Hearing three is only the beginning; try tracking 10,000.

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    1. Re:902 MHz and counting by Mikkeles · · Score: 2

      '... and tiny things get blown.'

      Er; you may wish to rephrase that.

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    2. Re:902 MHz and counting by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Yes it is. when you have a very light object that changes it's dynamics. a several ton space station will have a far different drag profile for reentry than a 2 ounce flat plate. It's why there is still a ton of paint chips, bolts, and MIR parts still in orbit. Tangential forces from skipping along the atmosphere can bounce something back out into a different trajectory.

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  15. Space Shuttle replacement by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    This merely underscores the importance of completing development of a replacement platform for the Space Shuttle, to meet the clearly growing need for orbital clam chowder.

  16. Am I the only one... by DanielSmedegaardBuus · · Score: 1

    ...getting strangely aroused by this thought of miniature sattelites of something-point-something cm length being launched anywhere...?

    1. Re:Am I the only one... by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Yes, you are the only one.

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  17. Jovian solar intensity? by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    I would think that the usefulness of this paradigm decreases greatly at great distances from the Sun. The linked article states that for the chips here on Earth it is already a challenge to receive and identify the radio "chirps". Considering that the inverse-square law would decrease both the strength of the transmitted signal, and at the same time decrease the energy which can be collected by the chip's solar cells, this doesn't seem to be a good fit for distant missions like Jupiter, Titan, or Europa. Might be OK for the upper atmosphere of Venus, although it's still very much further away than low earth orbit with respect to the radio emission intensity.

    1. Re:Jovian solar intensity? by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      i'm guessing that for an interplanetary mission, these things will be transported in a larger probe, and once the "mothership" is in orbit, it will deploy these chipsats into the target orbit/atmosphere, the mothership can act as the radio relay, aggregating usefull data from the chipsats and sending it back home.

      It doesnt solve the solar energy problem for missions beyond mars, but i suspect RTGs could solve that instead. According to wikipedia miniaturized RTGs have even been used in pacemakers, so designing one to power a chipsat instead of solar should be possible

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    2. Re:Jovian solar intensity? by CubicleView · · Score: 1

      You could be right, they should perform some sort of proof of concept before they send them anywhere I reckon.

  18. I'm disappointed by CyberK · · Score: 1

    When I read "cracker-sized", I thought of petroleum crackers and was very impressed by the sudden audacity.

    1. Re:I'm disappointed by camperdave · · Score: 1
      Okay...

      Cracker (n):
      1. A small crisp biscuit
      2. A white person from the South-Eastern US
      3. A fractional distillation unit or similar apparatus
      4. A person who breaches security systems
      5. A Christmas party favour popular in the UK
      6. Anything else?

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  19. Oblig Chris Rock by Bayoudegradeable · · Score: 1

    I think they mean "Crakcer-assed cracker sized" satellites.

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  20. Picture by gargeug · · Score: 1

    Here is a link that shows the actual PCBs rather than, say, a cracker... http://www.space.com/11508-shuttle-launch-satellite-chips-endeavour.html

    1. Re:Picture by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      Thank you. First thought when viewing the article: "Uhh, thanks, I already know what a cracker looks like."

  21. Re:"Chip" Sats, fundamentally new kind of spacecra by camperdave · · Score: 1

    Too many parentheses (not a lisp site).

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  22. Cacker Sized? Wow! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Three 250 pound 5' 11" satellites.. Those things are huge!

    Wait, is there a different definition of cracker?

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  23. Size by Primitive+Pete · · Score: 1

    "Due to their size, atmospheric drag would slow them down..." No. Because their shape creates drag.

  24. But why use the Space Shuttle? by Paul1969 · · Score: 1

    Seems to me that you could put these little "cracker-sats" into orbit with a heavy-duty slingshot. Talk about a green revolution!

  25. Nice. by databaseadmin · · Score: 1

    Sweet, every launch with even a few excess pounds of lift-capacity can acquire hundreds of little eye's in the sky. That actually would be a good idea for acquireing payment for every ounce of launch capacity you have.