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Google To Offer Chrome OS Notebooks For $20/month

An anonymous reader writes "Hot on the heels of the $25 ARM computer, Google is to offer a $20 per month package for students, which includes a Chrome OS laptop (like the Cr-48) and an online component, which will likely include a storage bump for a user's Google Docs, Gmail, Picasa Web, and Google Music files. This would serve two purposes for Google: first, Google will be able to expand its existing user base for Chrome OS. For half the price of a typical cell phone contract, students will be able to pick up a netbook with 3G connectivity. Second, Google will be able to test the package offering publicly prior to eventually adding an enterprise version for Google Apps users."

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  1. more importantly by xkalikox · · Score: 2
    1. Re:more importantly by nike2422 · · Score: 1

      they will begin offering Angry Birds on Chrome!

      http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/11/angry-birds-gets-a-web-version-in-google-chrome/

      Why didn't they mention that in the original article? Sign me up!

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    2. Re:more importantly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha waht

    3. Re:more importantly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet you inbred rednecks do even worse on the IQ tests despite proclaiming yourself the "master race".

    4. Re:more importantly by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      this man is not a representative of all rednecks

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    5. Re:more importantly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When a white person does poorly on an IQ test, it's because s/he has a low IQ. Do you see the difference?

    6. Re:more importantly by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1

      Asian culture is far more like European than African.

      Next.

    7. Re:more importantly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're confusing rednecks with Nazi's.

      Btw, do you know how you circumcise a redneck?

      You kick his sister in the jaw.

    8. Re:more importantly by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

      You're confusing rednecks with Nazi's.

      A common mistake city people make. Another is confusing hillbillies with rednecks. I come from a hillbilly family, but we had a few redneck neighbors.

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    9. Re:more importantly by The+Gaytriot · · Score: 1

      My mind is blown at the number of logical and grammatical problems with this.

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    10. Re:more importantly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asian culture is far more like European than African.

      Next.

      what.... the..... fuck......

      They're not comparing Africans to Europeans, they're comparing black Americans who's great great great great grandparents were brought to the US in 1700s and early 1800s. 200 years of living in the America and blacks still score poorly, therefore the test is racist, but Asians who moved to American much more recently score well.

      I would venture to guess that actual Africans would probably score above black Americans because the US government has taught black Americans they do not need to work in order to do well in American society so they don't. Black Americans have become slaves again, fed and given a meager place to live. This needs to stop, we should limit the welfare and section 8 housing system to X number of years so they're eventually forced to find employment and better themselves using the numerous number of college grants available only to black americans.

  2. what next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what's next....free...

    1. Re:what next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure, if you believe you're losing nothing of value by granting Google access to all of your data, as well as a transferable, non-revokable, worldwide license-in-perpetuity to exploit all of your data as they see fit, it'll be totally free.

      But honestly, with this plan, you're already granting Google a frightening level of control and access into every facet of your data... and paying them $20 a month for the privilege. I suspect Google will keep charging people a nominal fee, simply because they can.

      Wait, no, I meant to say, "Yay Google, everything Google does is for the benefit of mankind because they mouth trite platitudes about not being evil. If they say it, they MUST mean it!"

    2. Re:what next... by luther349 · · Score: 0

      we did the free pc thing in the adversing boom pre dot crash. you could get a pc for free the trade off they where allowd to display ads on your pc. when the ad boom died people that got the free pc where allowd to keep them and they offerd a uninstaller for the ads. if google saw enough profit from allowing them to sell all your info to advertisers above the cost of the hardware dont think they wouldent offer a free cr-48 to anyone who whanted it and would agree to those terms.

    3. Re:what next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't we have a discussion about Google without these same points constantly being raised? Frankly, I can't believe targeted advertising is so offensive to you.

    4. Re:what next... by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Can they really sell a novel I write in Google Docs as their own?

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    5. Re:what next... by Ruke · · Score: 1

      I'm happy to subsidize the services that Google offers me by granting them anonymized access to my data. I use Google Voice. I know that they're mining my voicemails to improve their speech-recognition algorithms; I'm fine with that. They're offering me a service for free that Verizon wants to charge me about $10/mo for - free unlimited texting, alongside a visual voicemail inbox. I understand the tradeoff, and I think it's a pretty fair deal.

    6. Re:what next... by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Can't we have a discussion about [dictator] without [deaths] being raised?

      We can, but expect any positive points about [dictator] to be put in the context of [deaths].

    7. Re:what next... by oakgrove · · Score: 0

      Really? Are you >2million UID trolls that desperate that you would imply, no matter how slimily and subtley, that Google is somehow comparable to a murderous dictator? That's a slap in the face to people who have actually experienced such a thing and not in some medal of duty video game.

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    8. Re:what next... by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      Trying to step around Godwin? Say what you really meant.

    9. Re:what next... by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 2

      While I have no doubt that Google's rapacious desire for information rivals the wildest dreams of Honecker and Goebbels combined, all I was saying was that you can't expect anyone making an honest appraisal to ignore the elephant in the room. To do so brings to mind the sort of ridiculous fanboyism you get for the most extreme ideas, where adherents can't stop mentioning the positives but refuse to acknowledge the negatives.

      Also, every few years I've returned to /. and created a new UID. I think I first posted around 1998. It used to be way better, but it's still a passable way of engaging in a minute's downtime every so often in the day.

    10. Re:what next... by Risen888 · · Score: 2

      If you're asking "can we talk about Google without talking about reprehensible data mining?" the answer is no. Next question.

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    11. Re:what next... by oakgrove · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      You're not getting it. You obviously think Google is over the top in their information gathering. Fine. But Google are not murderers and you cheapen your point by Godwinning the thread. It makes you sound hysterical and most reasonable people are going to either ignore you or just get irritated until you shut up.

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    12. Re:what next... by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only Godwinning has been done by yourself. Perhaps all geeks are fairly ignorant outside their field and can't think of any dictator except Hitler, so they insultingly simplify the experience of the hundreds of millions who have lived under dictators other than Hitler. Or perhaps it's just you.

      By showing how ridiculous the behaviour of fanboys are, akin to cultish followers of an inhumane political philosophy who refuse to see or hear the negative, I appear to have received fairly angry responses. If you really thought my argument was absurd nonsense you'd have just ignored it. But you were annoyed by the suggestion that people leave all sense of balance and reason at the door even when it comes to a particular IT firm, and felt the need to handwave away the possibility without even tackling the accusation directly.

      So how about tackling the accusation rather than the person, if you can? Maybe you'll find something about yourself.

    13. Re:what next... by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      Hey, I was just trying to give you a couple of pointers so people might actually take you seriously. But, you obviously feel like you have it figured out and don't have to listen to me. Party on, dude!

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    14. Re:what next... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Which brings up what I REALLY want to know....how much just to buy the bloody thing? Surely it'll have to be pretty damned cheap when i can get Droid pads starting at like $115 and you just know once these things have been in the wild a little bit some FOSS hacker is is gonna ricer the fuck out of it and THAT will be worth playing around with. I mean look at how many DIY hacks came out for those first EEE netbooks, they had everything from touch screens to 3G wired into those suckers!

      So please Google say the thing is gonna be cheap, preferably in the $100 range. At that price you're welcome to play with whatever data I generate until i figure out which DIY plan I want to fuck with, otherwise I'll probably get one of those cheapo Cruz pads to fuck with. And yes i know they are CCC (Cheapo Chinese Crap) but from watching my customers with the things the important thing is its fun to futz with and from the looks of it for basic web surfing and ebooks it works just fine. So if Google will give me an ultra light for around the same price I'm game, but paying $240 for the thing when I can just get a pad? Nope, if I'm paying for it I want to be able to futz around.

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    15. Re:what next... by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1

      Fanboyism has the same characteristics whether it's applied to Kirk vs Picard or Libertardianism vs Fascism. Sometimes a point is best made by finding the most extreme example which doesn't cause the audience to have a seizure.

      The Internet is not serious business, so people online who "OMG how can you compare that to _____ that's so insensitive!" are either very new, trolls or a bit silly.

    16. Re:what next... by luther349 · · Score: 1

      probly in the 150-199 range when it hits retail sales.

    17. Re:what next... by Mana+Mana · · Score: 1

      > license-in-perpetuity

      So I get to live forever? Alright! I am an Immortal.

    18. Re:what next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha ha ha! That's fucking hilarious. A trollish cocksucker like oakgrove giving advice on being taken seriously.

  3. And for Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Lemme take a wild guess: Google is still working towards a strategy for the Canadian market, and will release there "soon", alongside Google Voice, Google TV, and flying cars.

    1. Re:And for Canada? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      And so google misses the mark. All that strategizing, and they miss the fact that canada needs flying moose.

    2. Re:And for Canada? by Americano · · Score: 2, Funny

      You Canadians build your homes out of snow and drape yourselves in nothing but beaver pelts to stay warm. With no electricity, what in god's name do you need computer network services for, eh?

    3. Re:And for Canada? by blair1q · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's Canada?

      Is that near China?

      Does it have money?

    4. Re:And for Canada? by mr1911 · · Score: 2

      It isn't Google's fault you live in Canada.

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    5. Re:And for Canada? by Dishevel · · Score: 4, Funny

      No. Canada does not need flying moose.
      But Moose needs Flying Squirrel!

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    6. Re:And for Canada? by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 4, Informative

      What's Canada?

      The second largest nation on earth.

      Is that near China?

      Canada is above the US in every possible way.

      Does it have money?

      Yes, and it is worth more that US currency.

      I know you were trying to be funny... Try harder next time.

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    7. Re:And for Canada? by Old97 · · Score: 2, Funny

      And you were trying to be what? Pedantic?

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    8. Re:And for Canada? by blair1q · · Score: 1, Informative

      >The second largest nation on earth.

      How much of it habitable? By bikini models?

      >Canada is above the US in every possible way.

      I'll inform Alaska of your Northocentrist worldview.

      >I know you were trying to be funny... Try harder next time.

      If Woody Allen can say he's not an artist, then I'm comfortable saying I'm not a comedian.

    9. Re:And for Canada? by mangu · · Score: 1

      What's Canada?

      Probalby it's the country you call Canuckistan.

    10. Re:And for Canada? by clang_jangle · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's Canada? Is that near China?

      Sara Palin can see it from her front yard.

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    11. Re:And for Canada? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      That would make it one of the few things for which she doesn't have a massive blind spot.

    12. Re:And for Canada? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      What's Canada?

      Sorry, the answer is classified. Or nobody knows. We're not sure.

      Is that near China?

      Not really, but its only land border is with a large authoritarian police state which often ignores international law.

      Does it have money?

      Well, they have Loonies... which is better than the stuff used by that police state.

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    13. Re:And for Canada? by rhook · · Score: 1

      Sarah Palin never said she could see another country from her yard, that was Tina Fey on SNL. What she did say, and is true, is that you can see part of Russia from one of the Aleutian Islands. Not that facts matter to Democrats, all they ever do is name call because they are incapable of critical thinking and just blindly do what their party tells them to. In fact I have yet to meet a Democrat who actually knows what it was that they voted for.

    14. Re:And for Canada? by element-o.p. · · Score: 1, Informative

      Since I live in Alaska, I was about to argue with our Canadian friend until I looked at Google Maps. Canada doesn't have much population located farther north than Anchorage or Fairbanks, but they've got a boatload of land further north than us Alaskans. Go take a look at the Northwest Passage. They're waaaay north of Prudhoe Bay, which is about as far north as we get over here on the west side of the continent. <shrug>

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    15. Re:And for Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sarah Palin never said she could see another country from her yard, that was Tina Fey on SNL.

      Yeah, I'm sure she's a much-maligned super genius. Whatever delusion you need to make everything fit your belief system, right? I watched the interviews. Palin is such an idiot it's actually hard to distinguish between the real thing and a good parody. That tells everything we need to know about Sara Palin.

    16. Re:And for Canada? by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Hey you better be nice you damned dirty canuck, not only do you have oil we may need to liberate to run our Canyoneros but we down here in the USA ain't forgotten that blatant act of terrorism you did to us! I'm of course talking about how you let that damned she harpy Celine Dion out of her cage to come shrieking down like some sort of frozen banshee with its hideous voice causing brown notes all over the damned place!

      You're just lucky we have been too busy trying to decide whether to declare war on Australia to deal with your sorry asses! Damned Australians, making us all confused. First we help them out by saving their asses in WWII, so they give us some Foster's and the best damned movie of the 70s, the magnum opus Mad Max, so we think they are trying to be friends! I mean sure they sent Olivia Newton John, but we figured they were blinded by her cuteness just like we was so that can be forgiven. What can NOT be forgiven was that two fisted punch to the balls, namely Paul Hogan and Yahoo "OMFG shoot me Young Einstein has stolen my will to live!" Serious. WTF Australia? What did we ever do to you? Didn't we give you good shit in WWII just like we did the limeys?

      So I say Canada only gets the ChromeOS netbooks if they play nothing but Celine Dion at full volume until they admit they are sorry and send a strike team to corral that that harpy. Then together we'll take her and Newton John along with 100 tons of raw sewage and threaten to dump it on Sydney until they say they are sorry and pay reparations for letting Yahoo Serious loose upon the planet! You KNOW that wasn't right, you KNEW that idiot wasn't funny, and you did it anyway, you damned criminals! That shit was so bad even Cheney wouldn't use it on terrorists as even HE wasn't that cruel, and we were supposed to be allies!

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    17. Re:And for Canada? by rhook · · Score: 1

      It is nice to know that you cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy, who let you out of the mental ward?

    18. Re:And for Canada? by toriver · · Score: 1

      More like patriotic I guess? :)

    19. Re:And for Canada? by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      The second largest nation on earth.

      With a total population smaller than that of California.

    20. Re:And for Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only people who like Palin are idiots. In fact, invoking Palin is a handy way to know whether you're dealing with a subhuman (like you) or a real person.

    21. Re:And for Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is different from Tea party people how?

      I dont care what you call yourself. Rich white assholes that are bored of their career and become politicians are NOT GOOD for this country.

      Yet this is what has been the norm from the very first congress. Once in a while we get someone that has a clue as to what it is like for all us poor folk who are not rich ($100,000 or LESS in income level.) and is not interested in lining the pockets of oil companies....

      Hey every single senator and house of representative that is AGAINST ending the oil subsidies is a flicking TRAITOR to the united states. Yes a TRAITOR who should be hanged. End all the other corporate welfare.. end it right now. These assholes wont eve reign in the out of control banks.

      Scumbag politicians... all of them should be locked in stockades and let the people beat them within an inch of their life.

    22. Re:And for Canada? by rhook · · Score: 1

      No, people who bring up Palin are idiots because they always attribute quotes to her that she never made and then use said fake quotes as their entire basis of bashing her. There may be reasons to not like her, but quotes made by an actor doing satire is not one of them.

    23. Re:And for Canada? by Skynyrd · · Score: 1

      In fact I have yet to meet a Democrat who actually knows what it was that they voted for.

      You should leave mom's basement more often.

    24. Re:And for Canada? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Why dont you people get it? Palin is simply the next movie like Borat being filmed, it's all staged... It's going to be hilarious how the comedy group got the Republicans to take it all seriously! I cant wait for the movie to come out... Although I do not want to see Palin in that green thong thing....

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    25. Re:And for Canada? by rhook · · Score: 1

      Rich white assholes that are bored of their career and become politicians are NOT GOOD for this country.

      Why do you hate white people, are you a racist?

    26. Re:And for Canada? by rhook · · Score: 1

      I have my own place. We also do not tend to have basements in California.

    27. Re:And for Canada? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      They may go more norther, but they're not hardly northish, of Alaska. And beware of map projections. Globes don't do Canationalists any favors.

    28. Re:And for Canada? by sootman · · Score: 1

      You must be a blast at parties.

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    29. Re:And for Canada? by BeaverCleaver · · Score: 1

      Bah. Young Einstein was _funny.

      But we are truly sorry about Olivia Newton John. She's a bit like the Spice Girls many years later - enjoyable as long as you have a mute button.

      And please don't dump any raw sewage on Sydney, there's enough shit there already.

    30. Re:And for Canada? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      You start with a reasonable and accurate point, why ruin it with biased, hugely generalised partisan ranting?

    31. Re:And for Canada? by moco · · Score: 1

      Now, now, the Canadian Government has apologized for Bryan Adams and Celine Dion on several occasions!

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    32. Re:And for Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mental illness. All the rightie-tighties are mentally ill, that's the big problem in the USA today. They shouldn't have the right to vote, since they obviously have no solid connection with the real world.

  4. Same Price as a normal laptop by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 2

    A basic thinkpad costs around $800
    Thinkpads last 7+ years, assuming a useful life of 5 years, cost per year = $160 $20/month

    1. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      That was supposed to be "Less Than" $20/month

    2. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by elo_sf · · Score: 2

      It has not been my experience that the useful lifetime of a laptop is 5 years, 2-3 for a laptop that is regularly moved day-in-day out seems to be more realistic. Not saying that the machine drops dead after 36 months, just that the life cycle is usually shorter than 5, certainly for college 4 would be a better comparison, you get a computer right before you start school and keep it to the end.

    3. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      Thinkpad R60's were given out to my seniors and some faculty by the college. Right now they are 5+ years old.
      Apart from accidental damage, and a few hardware failures covered by warranty most of them are in perfect condition.

    4. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

      Not to mention the Google netbook seems to include a 3G data plan which would cost more than $20/month all by itself on your ThinkPad.

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    5. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by b0bby · · Score: 1

      But you don't get 3G data included with your Thinkpad. That's gotta be worth at least $5-10/month.

    6. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      Depends on the laptop and what it's being used for. My father is using one of my old laptops, and is quite happy with it. It's being used for surfing, word processing, e-mailing, web development, and has a linux virtual machine with apache/mysql/php to test the webpages he develops. Said laptop has an Athlon 64 3500+ in it and 1GB of RAM and a 40GB hard drive, which should give you an idea of how old it is.

    7. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by geekoid · · Score: 1

      but are they useful? can you load modern software? Can you meet todays needs?

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    8. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

      It has not been my experience that the useful lifetime of a laptop is 5 years, 2-3 for a laptop that is regularly moved day-in-day out seems to be more realistic. Not saying that the machine drops dead after 36 months, just that the life cycle is usually shorter than 5, certainly for college 4 would be a better comparison, you get a computer right before you start school and keep it to the end.

      The Cr-48, however, can't match the performance (or come close to the available software library) of the 5-7 year old Thinkpads described in your parent post, however, so I think the comparison is valid. The main thing it brings to the table is 3g "connectivity," which is nice if it means a 3g data plan included in the $20 a month price and not very impressive if it simply means it has a 3g modem but no plan.

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    9. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by blair1q · · Score: 1

      If you're using a ThinkPad you bought seven years ago...

      eww.

    10. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      They do run windows 7, Office 2007 and other basic software without struggling much
      Also, you get a 4:3 screen

      A RAM upgrade from 1GB to 2GB is all thats needed

      Gaming and 1080p are outside their capability I think

    11. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      Still worthless. If you don't have Internet access, you don't have a Chrome notebook that's usable. That's the problem with ANY "Cloud" premise to begin with- it's only as useful as your access to the 'Net. With a Laptop, I can still do LOADS of things. Yes, there's a risk of losing something if the device is trashed, but what Google's selling isn't any better an answer- and this doesn't get into the security aspects of what they're selling here- or the privacy ones either.

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    12. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Desler · · Score: 1

      What "modern" software are expecting them to be unable to run?

    13. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      And the other shoe drops... >:-D

      You're talking more akin to $70-80/mo for it to be even remotely useful- and I can show you places that you could use a Laptop just fine and the Chrome "Laptop" would make for a poor doorstop. (Heh... Somewhere in the middle of the Front Range in Colorado, for example... They'd be usable in most of Estes Park, but in the large, worthless elsewhere along US-36, US-34, CO-7, etc...)

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    14. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Google's laptop comes with 3g service.

    15. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Svartalf · · Score: 2

      Uh, it said you had a 3G modem in the device- not that this included the plan. There's LOTS of netbooks that've got 3G or WiMax included in the device- but the service doesn't come with the device. Try somewhere along $20-ish per month for the Chrome "laptop" and another $20-50 (or MORE if you're a heavy user...) for the 3G access deal. So, the device is in keeping with a netbook offered by the Telcos coupled with a data plan... Nothing special, and certainly nothing cheaper, really.

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    16. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      Mines only 3 years old.. Want to see how long I can drag it on

      Have seen operational ones which are 6+ years old (Dont know the exact age/model, but they run Win 95 and have a floppy drive)

    17. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by luther349 · · Score: 0

      the most commion faler on labtops is the inverter and hardrive. both parts are easly replaced and the laptop will keep on trucking my dell c-610 was made in 2001 and its still running yes i had to replace the hardrive a cuples time along with the batterys oh and the hinge but that was a known defect but it still works today. yes you probly whont go 5 years matence free heck mot even a desktop can do that but take care of them and they will last a long time.

    18. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by spazdor · · Score: 1

      can you load modern software? Can you meet todays needs?
      If the answer to any of this is 'no', I'll give even odds that a resource-sucking OS such as Windows is at least partly to blame. Not exactly a problem for Google.

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    19. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Local+ID10T · · Score: 1

      How many college campuses do you know of in the USA without 3G coverage?

      This offer is limited to students...

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    20. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      The googlebooks are more netbooks than notebooks, and a good netbook is $300 tops. I'd rather pay that, have local storage and access to my apps while off line... and get to own to hardware and the software, and keep using it for free as long as I want.

      Google's announcement combines many things I don't like:
      - renting things for a very high monthly payment, which means you could actually buy the thing for only 1 year's worth of rent. Imagine if they did that with appartments. (sorry, couldn't fit in a pizza... oh wait, the car !)
      - the cloud. read the sig. I like my apps and data to be accessible off-line, and easy to backup. and secure.
      - walled playpen.
      - spying on me and selling the info
      - plus the hardware is not that hot

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    21. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My R60...died with a "FAN ERROR" on boot within 18 months.

    22. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      IBM ThinkPads may have that reputation, but Lenovo ThinkPads aren't as good.

    23. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 1

      Even if it included a data plan, it's still a lousy offer.

      Net-tops are $200 nowadays, and don't require you to be connected to the net to work. Not being constantly connected means better battery life.

      For students, being connected to the local wifi access point st to transfer files is all they need, and that's free.

      So, for less than 1 year's payment for the google "welfarebook", you can have a real functioning netbook (or if you want to spend around $350, a real laptop), and use real software, not just "OMG web 2.0" stuff.

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    24. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who has the money to waste on 3G. on campus wifi is free.

    25. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by b0bby · · Score: 1

      The Forbes article I read said "Google tomorrow will announce sales of the new Chrome laptop in a $20 a month “student package” that combines both hardware and online services, according to a senior Google executive." It wouldn't really make sense any other way.

    26. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Imagine if they did that with appartments.

      It's not comparable; 1 year is around 1/4 of the lifetime of a laptop, while a house lasts for decades.

    27. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by tepples · · Score: 1

      When a student leaves campus for the moment, or if Chrome OS can't talk to the campus VPN, on-campus Wi-Fi is not available. Besides, not all "campuses" are college campuses; a lot of "students" are still in high school, where only faculty and staff have the keys to Wi-Fi.

    28. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^_^ I am still using my ThinkPad bought 8 years ago, everything works fine except the battery.

    29. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      I'm running modern software and meeting today's needs on a desktop with far lower specs than the R60.

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    30. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

      How many college campuses do you know of in the USA without 3G coverage?

      This offer is limited to students...

      I see no place where they say "college students". I have a kid in high school who'd love one.

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    31. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by rhook · · Score: 1

      But who wants an $800 ThinkPad that has none of the options? A decently configured ThinkPad T-Series will run you $1500 or so (less if you use a coupon during a sale). That comes out to $25/month over 5 years, and you can actually get stuff done with the machine.

    32. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by AJH16 · · Score: 1

      It has 3G internet connectivity. That alone is normally $30 a month. Don't think of it as a laptop replacement so much as an incredibly cheap (effectively free since the monthly fee is less than the normal cost of data service on most carriers) and cost effective netbook.

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    33. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      I really doubt i3 based machines with 4GB RAM are going to be useless in 5 years..

    34. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Thinkpad X60 is now 5 or 6 years old.
      It was a couple of years old when I got it from eBay.

      Running Arch, it seems to have got quicker... if anything.
      (Maybe magic kernel 2.6.38)

      I'm on my 3rd battery. But that's inevitable.

      Superb machine. I like the X60 because the laptop features can be put to good use under Linux.
      There are handy keys next to the cursor arrows for switching workspaces.
      Plus Hdaps can auto-park the HD when the accelerometer detects movement.
      Also, Pidgin can make the Thinklight LED flash when you get new IM - great when working on another workspace.

      No problems running a meaty IDE, Chrome, GIMP, LibreOffice, plus shells on different workspaces.

    35. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Local+ID10T · · Score: 1

      who has the money to waste on 3G. on campus wifi is free.

      ... 3g service is included in the $20 /month rental.

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    36. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by rhook · · Score: 1

      You obviously know nothing about the durability of ThinkPads, and the processors out today should still be quite useful in 5+ years. If you've been paying attention you would notice that the main improvement with newer processors is lower power consumption. How many notebooks can survive being throw into a wall or having liquid poured into the keyboard?

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    37. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by rhook · · Score: 1

      Then replace the fan, it's all of a $5 part.

    38. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by rhook · · Score: 1

      Not true, You can get 1GB of 3G service for $20. A real 3G plan will come with 5x the transfer.

    39. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by rhook · · Score: 1

      How many high schools do you know of that allow students to use a personal laptop in class? It is considered a distraction.

    40. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Local+ID10T · · Score: 1

      How many college campuses do you know of in the USA without 3G coverage?

      This offer is limited to students...

      I see no place where they say "college students". I have a kid in high school who'd love one.

      Minors cannot enter into contracts in the USA, so the targeted students can be assumed to be adult students and thus more than likely college students.

      Even if we assume that the offer is made available to younger students, my point still is valid: How many campuses do not have 3g coverage in the USA? The few that are remote enough to not have coverage are simply not part of the target market.

      Where this would likely fail is where building design interferes and provides poor signal quality. If this type of device/service becomes popular, repeaters can be installed as needed to increase signal penetration.

      I'm not a fan of cloud based services, but at a $20 per month price point including connection I think Google can count on having as many test subjects as they desire.

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    41. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My college (Michigan Tech) doesn't have 3g...

    42. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by rhook · · Score: 1

      Net-tops are not portable, they're a little box that sits on your desk and you plug your keyboard, mouse, ethernet, speakers and monitor into. Basically a PC version of the Mac Mini.

    43. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by rhook · · Score: 1

      The issues they had when they first took over production have been sorted out, current ThinkPads are built quite well.

    44. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of the cost INCLUDES 3G did you miss?

    45. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by vga_init · · Score: 1

      I got this Thinkpad Edge 14" that I'm using now for about $500... probably the most basic laptop that bears the Thinkpad label, although Lenovo makes even more basic laptops than this one. $800 will get you a pretty nice laptop, but you can find some nice machines for under $500... then we're talking about $8 a month if we go by your calculation. :)

    46. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by froggymana · · Score: 1

      They would be able to do more than what these Chrome OS notebooks will every be able to do.

      These Chrome OS notebooks are going for a different audience who only cares about email, web, "cloud" things, and simple games. They aren't meant to take over laptops and mobile workstations.

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    47. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      They come with a standard 3 year onsite international warranty, so get it fixed

    48. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      Edge I believe loses out on some of the durability features like the metal hinges ,rollcage and latching lid..

      So a shorter life estimate should be used to be fair..

      But yeah you are still ahead of the chrome netbook

    49. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Funny thing that, it is yet another case where the pirate version is better! Seriously why MSFT doesn't hire the guy that makes the "tiny" versions of their OS is beyond me, frankly they make even the embedded versions look like pigs in comparison. We are talking 64Mb on XP Sp3, with a good 90% of the regular software running fine, and 512Mb of RAM for Vista and 7 and both flying low on any old 2Ghz P4!

      As for the TFA, how is the GPU in the thing? Can it run flash? Because I hate to break the news to Google but Joe and Jane average want their FaceBook games, not to mention trying to explain to them that it isn't a "baby laptop" and thus should be able to run anything a regular laptop does only slower. It will probably appeal to some geeks and Google fanbois, along with the DIY crowd if they sell the hardware cheaply, but I don't know how much of the public will jump onto a "rent to never own" plan on a machine if it can't run their Farmville. I swear those FB games are becoming like benchmarks for the non geek crowd. You don't know how many folks that come into my shop that judge their machines by how well or poorly FB games run.

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    50. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by rhook · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about it being useless? I said "decently configured", you know, upgrade the display, graphics, toss in a 3G card and get the 9-cell battery. I always make sure I get the highest res screen on my laptops, I value my screen space, and I like having battery life.

    51. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      I've been told the power pin at the back isn't replaceable unlike with IBM's ThinkPads. This is important, as it seems to me that most laptops (especially Acer's) become unusable thanks to it breaking.

    52. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 1
      Point taken. I meant netbook (nettops are dead, netbooks are "just" dying)

      I'm looking at an ad right now - $229, 10.1" screen, 1 gig ram, 250 gig hd, Win7 Crippleware Edition ... on special they were $199.00.

      Why would anyone pay $240 a year when you can get a better machine for less (and the 100 mb/month data plan for the google offering will get eaten up pretty quickly with youtube, so your $20 is quickly going to go to $40, so just stick with a normal netbook or laptop + wifi).

      This is marketed at the same consumer who rents HD TVs and couches - because they don't have the cash to buy outright, so they "rent to own" and pay twice as much in the end. Hence the label "welfarebooks".

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    53. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by rhook · · Score: 1

      I have never had the power jack break on any laptop I have owned. The ones I have seen that had that broken off it was obvious that the owner had put a lot of strain on the cable, causing it to break. No laptop will survive excessive abuse. And when Buy a Thinkpad you can add 1 year of next day onsite service with accidental damage protection for $99, $199 if you want 2 years.

    54. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Do you think "online services" means "3G connectivity" ? I think it includes whatever cloud-based stuff Google is throwing in... May be wrong though.

    55. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by tgetzoya · · Score: 1

      I use a laptop I bought in 2005 (A Compaq Presario 4025US if anyone cares) as my everyday computer. It's got Ubuntu 11.04 on it now and had Arch Linux two weeks ago. Because I didn't feel like hunting down drivers for the ATi 200M video card I cannot use Gnome 3 with gnome-shell. Other than that, it works great.

    56. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      They can run google apps, much like the Chrome book.

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    57. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Well, now that you mention it, I just assumed that 3G was what it meant. Since email, docs etc are free for most users, I couldn't see them being able to charge students much for those things. I guess we'll have to wait & see.

    58. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      $19.999 is not less than $20.00 a month. not in a sane persons head at least.

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    59. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by b0bby · · Score: 2

      Replying to myself -
      venturebeat.com says:
      "The Chrome laptops will likely feature the same mobile broadband capabilities as the CR-48. That computer shipped with built-in 3G access and included 100 megabytes of monthly internet free for two years. You could also opt for daily unlimited internet for $10, 1 gigabyte of mobile internet for $20 a month, 3 GB for $35 a month, and 5 GB for $50 a month."
      I'd say that 100 megabytes per month is worth $5 or so; it wouldn't be good as your only data, but for a student likely to be near wifi most of the time it might be enough.

    60. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      that $800 thinkpad will cost $1400.00 after interest over that 5 years.
      Oh and because it's a long term on a electronics item High interest rate.. $1600.00
      Oh and required "insurance at only $2.95 a month...

      Monthly payments are ALWAYS a losing choice.

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    61. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      fix it? are you MAD??!?!

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    62. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I should add though, a netbook with free wireless (even if it was only the 100MB a month with daily passes available my free chrome book has) would be enticing. It has access to the internet anywhere, is light, and had at least double the battery life of an R60 when it was new. If it were two year contracts there'd be no hesitation, and even if they were three year contracts it'd be tempting.

      As the article points out, to get the 3G on a regular device is going to be more than the $20/month of the Google laptop. I'd rather see tablet sold that way, even if it were as bulky as a netbook, but that doesn't look like it's happening yet (are touch screens so expensive?).

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    63. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by geekoid · · Score: 1

      well than, I guess I'll need to take a 1 credit PE class.

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    64. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by smash · · Score: 1

      To back this up, I've still got a couple of Dell Latitude D510s in our fleet that are now 7+ years old. They are running Windows 7 + Office 2007 at an acceptable speed. No aero, but they never had that with Windows XP back in the day either.

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    65. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by smash · · Score: 1

      You don't get the ability to run non-cloud apps on your shitty cr48. Thats gotta be worth at least $5-10 per month.

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    66. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by fireforadrymouth · · Score: 1

      College campuses offer free 3G to students in the US or telcos offer 3G coverage in metropolitan areas? Two very different things and I'd be impressed (and surprised) if it was the former.

    67. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by jon3k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think we're forgetting the fact that while not all students can afford an $800 lump payment many can afford to drink $20 less in beer a month. Basically Google is offering free financing on a laptop with a $20/mo payment. That's a pretty killer deal.

    68. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Now that would mean something if the product being offered were actually meant to sell in any great number or just meant to introduce the product to market.

      Much like the Android phone, the chromebook sets the market for many companies to start offering an aligned product based around the open software stack as represented by chrome.

      Google just wants the open OS market, where equal access to customers is all it needs to gain a competitive advantage. For google the big market will be the whole of school market, 16 years (primary, high school and university), of training for the work force and beyond. So will windoze be a dead and buried OS by 2027 or not.

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    69. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Even if it included a data plan,

      The 3G models -- whether purchased at retail upfront or acquired through the educational or business monthly rate plan which includes premium technical support, a web-based management/provisioning console for the administrator, and other things that aren't included with regular retail purchase -- include 100MB/month 3G from Verizon (the consumer purchase has this for 2 years from the date you first activate the 3G, I think the institutional ones include it for the full life of the 3 year contract).

      it's still a lousy offer.

      No, its not.

      Net-tops are $200 nowadays

      Nettops aren't mobile. Chromebooks are.

      and don't require you to be connected to the net to work.

      Neither do Chromebook; offline-usable web apps are a key feature of Chrome (both the multiplatform browser and the OS.) While some apps targetting Chrome are going to be traditional, connected-only web apps, that's by no means the only thing Chrome OS supports.

      So, for less than 1 year's payment for the google "welfarebook",

      Oh, ignorant and offensive in one sentence! Its not a consumer rental program. Its an institutional service and support program with a minimum volume (for both the educational and the business plan) of 10 units. So, the minimum monthly cost is $200/month. Its not a "welfarebook".

      you can have a real functioning netbook (or if you want to spend around $350, a real laptop), and use real software, not just "OMG web 2.0" stuff.

      Around $350-500 is the price range for Windows-based 11.6"/12.1", HDD-based netbooks.
      $349 (for the Acer, WiFi-only model) to $499 (for the Samsung model with 3G) is the price range for the 11.6"/12.1", SSD-based Chromebooks. In terms of hardware, Chromebooks are a good deal for the money.

      The concern about "real software" is somewhat valid, but the remoting & Citrix Receiver features that are to land in Chrome OS before the Chromebooks launch in June address some of this, as (at least in terms of capacity, though software that leverages it extensively is certainly still to come) does Native Client, More than that, Chrome OS is based largely on the idea of not necessarily doing everything, but doing what most people want to do with less unnecessary distraction and a focus on a clean user experience (an approach that has worked well with a number of Apple consumer products.)

    70. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      The googlebooks are more netbooks than notebooks, and a good netbook is $300 tops.

      Checking Newegg right now 11.6"/12.1", new (not refurbished/recertified/etc.) retail netbooks with Windows range from $349-$479.

      The launch models of Chromebooks -- also 11.6"/12.1" netbooks -- run from $349 to $499.

      Google's announcement combines many things I don't like:

      I don't think you understand Google's announcement.

      - renting things for a very high monthly payment, which means you could actually buy the thing for only 1 year's worth of rent. Imagine if they did that with appartments. (sorry, couldn't fit in a pizza... oh wait, the car !)

      The "rental" options are three-year institutional contracts with a minimum of ten units that include hardware, institutional management software, and premium technical support. They aren't straight hardware rentals, and they don't replace regular retail purchase for consumers.

       

    71. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 1
      1. 100 mb / month will disappear really quicky with online videos.

      2. what part of "So, for less than 1 year's payment for the google welfarebook, you can have a real functioning netbook" did you fail to understand?

      3. Your prices are off. When you say "Around $350-500 is the price range for Windows-based 11.6"/12.1", HDD-based netbooks.", the 10.1" netbooks are $199 on special, $229 every day. That's with 250 gig of storage, unlike the google welfarebook, and it will also work w/o a network connection.

      4. $499 gets you a full-sized laptop with 500 - 640 gigs of storage, 3 to 4 gigs of ram, a 1600x900 screen, and W7 premium.

      5. A year later, you can sell the laptop and buy another - you're only renting the welfarebook.

      Better off buying a tablet than one of these POS.

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    72. Re:Same Price as a normal laptop by kcbnac · · Score: 1

      I did, in 2001-2003.

      Was quite handy when working on the school newspaper's website; as I had taken that as my 'role' - and could work on it whenever and not on the ancient (Early PPC) Macs we had. 900MHz laptop with 256MB?512MB? RAM running Windows XP; worked pretty well.

  5. not worth it by alen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i have a beta cr-48 and haven't used it in months. even my wife rarely uses it anymore unlike her iphone.

    it's OK and pretty fast but completely useless unless you have a network connection. ipad runs rings around it in hardware quality and functionality.

    1. Re:not worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You and your wife are Apple users, and therefore your opinions don't matter.

    2. Re:not worth it by geekoid · · Score: 0

      IT's not an iPad, it's not in the same space at all.

      Apparently the best thing about an iPad is how its better then a munch of stuff that isn't even close to the same.

      Next up: iPads are better then Ti-99.

      IT's NOT better the the 48 at what the 48 does. In fact, it's not better then any other non tablet devices.

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    3. Re:not worth it by luther349 · · Score: 0

      probly why there starting this kind of program the cr-48 got pretty bad reviews conserding the eepc line smokes it. and a used eepc is pretty dammed cheap abought a year cost of owning this and it will last for years 5+ if you take care of it.

    4. Re:not worth it by Desler · · Score: 2

      What exactly does the 48 do that is so fabulous and amazing? Pretty much any netbook can run a web browser (which is about the sum total of functionality of the Cr-48).

    5. Re:not worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be practically free?

      Have an actual keyboard?

    6. Re:not worth it by b0bby · · Score: 1

      So if I put an ipad in a $65 keyboard/case, what exactly is it that the 48 does that makes it better? I have a netbook, and I certainly think that for what I use it for a tablet would be better.

    7. Re:not worth it by Riceballsan · · Score: 2

      Well considering google is talking free 3G included for $20 a month, not all college students have $500 laying around the house, then extra $X a month for a data plan. Useless without internet, but it is bundled with 3g internet that works almost anywhere, I fail to see the problem. It isn't a top of the line perfect for everyone device, but it is a nice, inexpensive tool that seems appropriate for many students needs.

    8. Re:not worth it by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      The problem here is that it won't. The laptop is essentially free and the 3g data plan it comes with for $20/month would cost you $50-80/month to get it some other way.

    9. Re:not worth it by alen · · Score: 1

      $240 a year is free? and they are making you pay for current free services

    10. Re:not worth it by luther349 · · Score: 1

      100mb of 3g if its the same as the beta test and guess what you can get 150mb of 3g a month for you guessed it.

    11. Re:not worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it would be the same cost as your data plan, essentially free? Instead of of 600 dollars + data plan?

    12. Re:not worth it by Wiarumas · · Score: 1

      If you use this Netbook for more than 2 years, you could have bought an iPad. If you use it for 4 years, the iPad is cheaper with service. Its higher up front cost, but the iPad would be cheaper as a long term investment, plus has resale value. Its essentially the same situation as a lease vs buy scenario with a car.

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    13. Re:not worth it by rhook · · Score: 1

      From what I have heard so far it comes with 1GB of 3G service, you can get the same for $20.

    14. Re:not worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can't say I've been impressed with the Cr-48, either - its use case is VERY limited. I was overall pleased with it for web browsing and basic document functionality when I had internet connection, which probably covers 70% of my use, but it's a zero elsewhere.

      However, the Cr-48 isn't even an alpha, much less beta, product. It's more a concept product. I expect that Google will take the information they learned from the Cr-48 and design something which is a better fit based around the concepts the Cr-48 showcased.

      In other words, rather than judge a forthcoming product based on the Cr-48, let's judge the forthcoming product on its own merits.

    15. Re:not worth it by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      It's not more free than any other laptop on a mobile broadband contract.

    16. Re:not worth it by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      It's not free at all and will no doubt be paid for in the first year. You'd be better off getting an Asus EEE and a pay as you go mobile dongle so you're tied into a contract and you won't be paying any more. You just see the cost of the laptop when you pay it up front.

      An iphone / ipad is a bad example because Apple will probably never let someone give away their phones for free. But any other phone, tablet, laptop on a mobile deal is basically going to be the same deal and the laptop won't be useless when you have no network.

    17. Re:not worth it by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      Was a 5gb package that I saw. Which is for me right now $69.99 CAD(about the same as USD anyways) from Bell.

      Regardless, even if it ends up being 1gb of service, its basically a free laptop with your 3g and no contract.

    18. Re:not worth it by swillden · · Score: 1

      If you use this Netbook for more than 2 years, you could have bought an iPad. If you use it for 4 years, the iPad is cheaper with service.

      How do you figure that?

      A 3G-capabile iPad costs $629. The four-year cost for this is $960. So the iPad costs $149 more, PLUS the cost of the service for the iPad. In order to break even you'd have to find 3G service for (960-629)/48 = $6.90 per month.

      Who sells 3G data service for $6.90 per month?

      If you could get 3G data service for $10 per month (where?), and you used it for a little over five years, then you'd break even. At six years you'd come out ahead on the iPad.... IF you could find 3G service for $10 per month.

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    19. Re:not worth it by rhook · · Score: 1

      You Canadians get ripped off even worse than we do here in the states. I can get that same data plan for $50/month through pretty much any of the major carriers, contract or not. In fact for $80/month I can get 10GB transfer.

    20. Re:not worth it by b0bby · · Score: 1

      But the op says he has one, and thinks the ipad is better. Then geekoid says you can't compare them, that the 48 is better at 48 type things. So my question was, what exactly does it do better? Let's ignore the data, it's likely to only include 100 megabytes per month on 3G. Let's assume both are wifi - what's better about a Chrome netbook than a tablet?

    21. Re:not worth it by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      I personally feel they're going to be roughly equal. The tablet will be backing some things that you get form a laptop but the 48 is lacking too. The heavy reliance on the internet is a big downer if you're going to use it on the go outside of cities,imo.

      The best solution (imo of course) is a netbook/laptop. If you must have it on a contract rather than paying outright then at the very least in the UK, one can be had for cost of a standard phone contract £25. Sure you may have to pay a one off fee anywhere from £20 to £50 but the thing will be usable without a network, works with any peripheral you have and isn't beta hardware/software and will likely work better with any OS.

    22. Re:not worth it by Wiarumas · · Score: 1

      Wifi only model and tether a data plan from your phone. I pay $10/month for the tethering service.. The 3G model isn't worth the extra money when a vast majority of iPad users have a cell phone on them at all times. My friend also tethers to his iPad for $0 via Bluetooth on his jail broken iPhone.

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    23. Re:not worth it by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      Anyone that says the US government is owned by corporations just hasn\t been to Canada yet. Canada is so bad that the government HAS to stand up to the corps very publicly on a few items just in order to give people some sort of illusion that they aren't being heavily paid off.

      At least we have regulatory bodies that keep things in check for their own interests however. Their own personal interests happen to coincide with the public interest somewhere around 50% of the time so it sort of works.

      Lastly our saving grace is a very... stringent justice system. People getting caught taking bribes pretty much get their balls chopped off and stuffed down the back of their throats.

    24. Re:not worth it by swillden · · Score: 1

      So if you also have a smartphone ($$) and data plan ($$) and if you stretch your comparison over a long timeframe then the iPad becomes cheaper.

      What you're saying is "this device doesn't make sense for people exactly like me". Which says nothing at all about whether or not it makes sense for other people.

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    25. Re:not worth it by Wiarumas · · Score: 1

      I suppose you could say that, however "people like me" with a smartphone makes up 42% of users in the US. Most if not all smartphones require a data plan so they already paying for 3G service. To add a second device with a separate data plan would be double dipping in an identical service. My point is that you could consolidate that service and use two devices under it. $20/month adds up over time. My point isn't limited to the iPad. You could tether a netbook or a laptop with the tethering fee rather than be subject to a leased device tied to a service most people are already paying for.

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    26. Re:not worth it by swillden · · Score: 1

      I suppose you could say that, however "people like me" with a smartphone makes up 42% of users in the US.

      Cite? The most recent number I can find is 27%. That's from April 2011. Even your inflated number means that more people don't have smartphones than do, AND not all smartphones provide tethering, AND not all of those that do are very cost-effective, AND not all users are capable of figuring out how to use it. In fact, if it requires jailbreaking, most people are either incapable or unwilling.

      I think there are plenty of people for whom this netbook makes more sense than an iPad plus a phone, even among those who have a smartphone -- and there are a lot more who don't than do.

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    27. Re:not worth it by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Well considering google is talking free 3G included for $20 a month, not all college students have $500 laying around the house, then extra $X a month for a data plan.

      College students can't get the Chromebooks for $20/month.

      Schools that are signing a three-year contract for at least 10 units can get the devices, support and services for $20/unit/month.

      Students -- and any other non-institutional purchasers -- pay the retail cost of (depending on which of the launch models they choose) $349-$499, (And any of the 3G models, even with regular retail purchase, include 100MB/mo of no-cost 3G with various options for buying additional 3G service.)
       

  6. K12 by xzvf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think this has the most value in K12. A lot will depend on support contracts and additional costs, but for a 1:1 program this is a reasonable structure. Many people will compare this to buying a laptop for under $400 that can be used anywhere versus a $240 dollar annual cost for a device that only works over the web. What most people will miss and what will be important for this to work, is reducing the management and maintenance costs of the devices. If you combine the $240 appliance with wireless access at school, administrative control of the device, replacement structures for broken and stolen devices, and the ability to integrate with an LMS, this could be a valuable reduction in costs.

    1. Re:K12 by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      What about a Thinkpad with the corporate management features and a 5+ year lifespan?

      At $800 it works out to $160 per year

    2. Re:K12 by Zuato · · Score: 1

      You have to add a monthly expense to the Thinkpad to cover the provided 3g data connection that this offer from Google comes with.

    3. Re:K12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this has the most value to the advertisers that big G sells personal data to.

    4. Re:K12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that $800 Thinkpad:

      1) Probably costs more than $800
      2) Requires IT management
      3) Does not come with 3G coverage

    5. Re:K12 by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      Indeed. However...it's nothing special. No access, no use. With a Thinkpad, you're going to have it's use and a lot more capabilities for that slight increase in expense. With the Chrome "laptop", you'll need 3G/WiFi access to use it- period. And if you think that you're getting it, including the 3G for $20-ish per month, I've got a bridge to sell you. Only slightly used and it's cheap.

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    6. Re:K12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If other schools are anything like the ones in the district I work in, they will reject these devices for educational use because they can't run the software, written in 1995 with the aid of a Learn C in 24 Hours book, that they built their curriculum around.

    7. Re:K12 by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      Have you thought of the legal implications of turning over all those minors' data to a third party?

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    8. Re:K12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A laptop with a 5+ year lifespan?

      In a school?

      Yeah, I'll go and pick one of them up. For eight hundred dollars! From the same store where I get ground-up unicorn horn to sprinkle on my pizza!

      In real life, a laptop that the user didn't spend his own money on has a two year lifespan at best, and I speak from IT experience. And that's when (allegedly) professional grown adults are using them.

    9. Re:K12 by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      Its included in your course fees, so you have paid for it..

      Feel free to visit my college and see the significant number of operational 5 year old R60's and 3 year old R61's

    10. Re:K12 by eparker05 · · Score: 1

      You are right about the K-12 thing

      This deal is for schools, not students. If you follow the original article, it leads to a speculative piece written yesterday. Turns out there was a grain of truth in it, but again, the 20$/month deal is for schools.

      Slashdot, once again, turned into failblog for a day.

    11. Re:K12 by fermion · · Score: 1
      Many schools have good network connectivity, so the value of this will be for kids to do homework. I can see value in many classes, even math and science where there is increasing a large virtual component.

      The problem will be managing the computers. The 3G network will be totally unfiltered, so many kids are going to choose to play games rather than read or write or run assigned simulations. While the assignments can be more interesting, the fact is that school can compete against games and music and fight videos about as well as labels can compete against free. It is a conflict. There are valid reasons to have a filtered network at school but increasingly kids do need connectivity at home. Though many kids have cable, 3g will be the best option for some. In the end, though, 3g will keep these computers out of many schools.

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    12. Re:K12 by rsborg · · Score: 1

      What about a Thinkpad with the corporate management features and a 5+ year lifespan?

      At $800 it works out to $160 per year

      Does that include the cost of managing the software deployments, updates, security, and replacement?

      Devil is in the details, but for some workers/students a 3 year old Thinkpad would be a less useful device than a rather recent Chromebook.

      The Chromebook is not for "personal" use because it can't run iTunes, Word or sync your phone. It is good for standard web-based app consumption.

      Imagine your average SAAS company cross-selling these with their services? Now it gets more exciting.

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    13. Re:K12 by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      A couple of questions:

      1. Does that thinkpad get directly shipped to the end user with the stock image? Who installs the user's apps on it? Do they get paid, or if the user has to do it, does the user get paid? How many hours are they going to spend fussing with that $800 laptop? If a human touches it for two hours add $150 to the price.

      2. What happens when there is some kind of software conflict on the thinkpad? How long to backup any files on the device, reimage it, reload software, restore data files, and return to the user? How long is the user down?

      3. What happens when McAfee decides to push out another update that turns the Thinkpad into a paperweight for a day or two? How much money does it take to reimage every PC in your business or fuss with the definitions when it won't boot right?

      4. Does that corporate management feature include full disk encryption? How much does that cost you to keep running? If you don't have that, then what happens to your company when one is lost?

      The concept behind a Chrome notebook is that:

      1. Nothing you care about long-term is stored on the device. No data, no settings, no nothing.
      2. Provisioning involves logging in, and nothing else, unless you want the enterprise provisioning features, and then it just involves one extra login step.
      3. Devices are interchangeable. Just keep a spare or two in a closet and if one breaks you issue another and the user is up and running with maybe a minute of setup time (all settings sync).
      4. Devices are update-managed and have full disk encryption with TPM support. I suspect the provisioning features include remote wipe as well.
      5. No doubt that monthly fee includes some kind of hardware refresh over time - so as devices get old you just magically get new ones in the mail or whatever.

      If Google adds a feature where larger customers get their devices shippped with the enterprise provisioning already enabled, then it is even cheaper - just have them ship direct to your employee and they're running.

      The only real downside is that everything has to be web-based. I think that in most office settings the devices would otherwise pay for themselves. In theory if you are a small office your only hardware ownership investment might be a router, assuming that doesn't come free from your ISP or whatever. With this and Google apps you could maintain an office with virtually zero IT contractor spend.

    14. Re:K12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you going to keep copy-pasting that figure around this thread?
      I'm a Thinkpad owner, I hate this cloud shit too, but... you're just whoring your opinions and sloppy math everywhere.

  7. I just bought something better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A $300 netbook that I can use for $0/month! That's right, ladies and gents, zero dollars per month!

    And that's not all. It's even capable of storing up to 320 GB of data INSIDE the device itself! How amazing is that? You can carry your data right along with you, and not have to depend on "the cloud" or have problems with their data breeches.

    If I keep it for 5 years, that's $1200 saved compared to a $20/month plan. And since I have both 802.11 and a cell phone anyway, I can still get network connectivity anywhere.

    It's a damn amazing thing, I tell ya what.

    1. Re:I just bought something better by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 1

      Good for you. Now suppose you usually have no use for a notebook but you'll be traveling for two months and wish to have your own computer to browse on during that period, after which you'll revert to having no use for a notebook.

    2. Re:I just bought something better by luther349 · · Score: 0

      300$ man you can get used eeepc systems for like 150$. normaly the 4-8 ssd models but sometimes you will find a 120gb model for the same price.

    3. Re:I just bought something better by b0bby · · Score: 1

      I doubt that Google is going to let you have this thing for only 2 months at a time.

    4. Re:I just bought something better by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      Yep. Amazing, isn't it? My Nook's in the same class of tool. And, we won't get into my Iconia Tab, or my netbook (Heh...) or the Laptop I've got. Sorry, I wish people wouldn't gee-whiz over this stuff. Seriously. You can actually GET the same basic deal Google's peddling with your described setup plus 3G/4G access for $150-200 purchase and $50/mo. If you subsidize it via credit card, it ends up being...wait for it...$20/mo for the life of the service contract and a $50/mo service contract from ANY of the providers right at the moment. And while you don't get the "convenience" Google's flogging on devices, you actually DON'T want this because you can't use it at all if you don't have WiFi or 3G/4G coverage- period.

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    5. Re:I just bought something better by Necroman · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you're missing something important with this.

      It's $20/month/user for K12 and College, and $28/month/user for businesses. With this you get an auto-upgrading OS, warrenty and support, and hardware upgrades as the hardware gets old. So in 2-3 years when your current laptops are old, they will send you new ones for all your users. Because everything is stored online, the upgrade is nearly seamless for the users.

      As well, this includes "domain" management for all the laptops you buy this way. As an IT admin, you manage all the laptops you get this way, setting up users, policies, and other junk that IT admins have to deal with.

      This is a lot more than a stand alone laptop.

      (Note: I'm at Google IO right now and I'm getting one of these things for free, so I may be influenced by the magic).

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    6. Re:I just bought something better by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Are you getting a Cr-48, or one of the production units?

      If it's a production unit, what are your impressions?

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    7. Re:I just bought something better by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      Adding tethering to your plan will probably cost you more than Googles entire offering here...

    8. Re:I just bought something better by Necroman · · Score: 1

      It'll be one of the production models (not sure which). But they are going to be sending us info on or around June 15 (when everyone else gets them) with a voucher or something. We aren't getting them today.

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    9. Re:I just bought something better by Draaglom · · Score: 1

      I always had problems with data breeches too, but then I switched to data trousers and was much happier from then on. :)

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    10. Re:I just bought something better by 3.1415926535 · · Score: 1

      It's a production unit, but people at the conference don't actually get them for another month.

    11. Re:I just bought something better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With google voice, I really don't need my cell phone. I use get a landline and continue to use my work line.

      So basically with one of these devices I would almost half my monthly costs. 28 dollars per month + 15 for a vonage = $43 add on a pay as you go phone for another 2 dollars a month that's a grand total of 45. So that's a savings of 30 dollars a month, meaning that I could save 1800 dollars in 5 years!!! Oh and that would be unlimited calling at home -- nationwide!!!

    12. Re:I just bought something better by froggymana · · Score: 1

      Adding tethering to my rooted android phone doesn't cost me anything :)

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    13. Re:I just bought something better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the $20/month includes a data plan you can't really get a better deal than that anywhere. Within 2 weeks of getting my CR-48 I use it more than my desktop & android phone combined, and I'm thinking about cancelling the $20/mo. data plan on my cell phone because I don't need it anymore.

    14. Re:I just bought something better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean when there is a bug on Flash, you can expect it to be fixed by Google? Or are you going to wait for Adobe to roll out the fix? What about 1 year into your plan you find that the software you need to run needs more of 'x' to complete the work? Say video editing, I'd like to see the web handled that effectively when you have hours of HD video to work with. BTW this is nothing new, again, Sun tried this with Genie (a dumb terminal with built in Java), and it didn't work.

      By the way, what happened to all the developers crying about access to the hardware to develop apps that can take advantage of said hardware, which was the rallying cry four years ago when the first iPhone came out. Regardless, the largest sticking point to Chrome OS will be it's reliance on Adobe's flash.

    15. Re:I just bought something better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's weird because every laptop ive seen runs on electricity ...

    16. Re:I just bought something better by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      A $300 netbook that I can use for $0/month! That's right, ladies and gents, zero dollars per month!

      Chromebooks are 11.6" and 12.1" netbooks ranging in retail price from $349-$499, pretty comparable to Windows 11.6" & 12.1" netbooks.

      Chromebooks with 3G also come with free 3G (100MB/month) with various options for additional quota; it costs $0/mo to use a Chromebook.

      Institutional users (schools and businesses, with different plans available for each) can, instead of purchasing hardware at retail, choose to pay a monthly fee (starting at $20/month/unit for educational institutions) when signing a 3-year service and support contract that includes hardware, premium tech support, and institutional management features not included with retail devices.

      The monthly rate plans are not for consumers, and include things that are not available with regular retail purchase.

    17. Re:I just bought something better by Necroman · · Score: 1

      Why does it rely on flash? It has Chrome which comes with WebGL and Canvas support. Did you notice that Angry Birds is running on Chrome now? Did know know it uses WebGL?

      Also, you should check out ForPlay, it's a gaming library that compiles to WebGL, Canvas, Flash, or Java (with Objective-C in the works). That'll allow programming of games that works across the web and mobile platforms. With that, game developers for mobile/web apps can push games that work on Chrome OS with little issue.

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    18. Re:I just bought something better by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      $28 a month
      x 36 months (minimum lease)
      = $1008

      You can get a nice laptop every 3 years for $1008. Hell, let's say it's a $700 laptop and I'll throw in an upgrade of Windows and Office Home in 18 months.

      It's overpriced garbage. You could buy a new netbook every year for about the same price.

  8. Ahm, what about installment sales done by others? by drummania · · Score: 1

    As far as I know Dell and other vendors offer computers on installment payments. Isn't that a better choice than renting?

  9. The Secret for Desktop Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google hit upon the secret for Desktop Linux success -- charge more than Free, track your users, and limit what the OS can do when its capable of more!

  10. Oh joy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another monthly bill to worry about

  11. Awesome! by PickyH3D · · Score: 1

    Now you just need to make sure you never lose your connection to the internet, otherwise you're screwed.

    1. Re:Awesome! by Zuato · · Score: 1

      RTFA. It comes with a 3g data connection for the $20/month. Unless you travel to an area that has no cell connection and no wireless you are fine.

    2. Re:Awesome! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You can use it without a connection, you know. Of COURSE you loose features that require web access..just like every other fucking device.

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    3. Re:Awesome! by luther349 · · Score: 0

      a chrome os device needs the inetrnet just to get pased the login screen. you cant use this os without the net why i call it a stillborn os couse its going to flop heck most people aruldy dont care abought it and say whers andoride x86.

    4. Re:Awesome! by Desler · · Score: 1

      It comes with a 3g data connection for the $20/month. Unless you travel to an area that has no cell connection and no wireless you are fine.

      Not even most major cities necessarily have universal 3g coverage. I routinely lose 3g on my Galaxy S all the time and not even in the outskirts of town and where according to the cell providers map I should have strong coverage.

    5. Re:Awesome! by Desler · · Score: 1

      You can use it without a connection, you know.

      Except for the fact that you need an internet connection just to log in?

      Of COURSE you loose features that require web access..just like every other fucking device.

      Since Chrome OS is built around web applications that basically means you lose ALL FEATURES.

    6. Re:Awesome! by Desler · · Score: 1

      BTW you really need to read this:

      No Internet Means Chrome OS is Useless

      Without an internet connection, Chrome OS is completely useless. Sure, I have some apps/extensions that work offline, like Write Space and Scratchpad, but without an internet connection, how do I log-in to access these apps?

      I’m quite sure Google is working on an offline version of Google Apps, but right now, its still not ready yet.

      Some type of offline support is a must for this operating system to be accepted by the general consumer market.

      Wireless Problems

      As mentioned above, the Cr-48 is useless without the web, but ironically I have experienced numerous connectivity issues involving mostly the Wi-Fi connection.
      Just last week, my notebook just suddenly stopped being able to connect to any Wi-Fi networks, getting stuck at Acquiring IP Address for networkname. The solution to this? Switch to developer mode, wipe out the OS, then download a new Chrome OS image and reinstall it. This worked but I never received a reason for why all this was even necessary.

      In addition, both before and after resetting the OS, my Wi-Fi connection frequently gets intermittently dropped. I’ll admit that the Wi-Fi connection I use is already bad on any computer, but it has never been this bad.

      Gee, I can't wait to sign up for what looks like a great deal!

    7. Re:Awesome! by Imagix · · Score: 1

      And you get royally hosed if you ever end up doing data roaming. $20 - $50/MB isn't a surprising international roaming data rate....

    8. Re:Awesome! by icebraining · · Score: 1

      No, with HTML5 LocalStorage you can have the application working with a small cache, like they did in the days of Google Gears.

    9. Re:Awesome! by Desler · · Score: 1

      Sure but the Google Apps don't support offline versions. Nice try, though. Read the link I posted after this that points this out:

      Without an internet connection, Chrome OS is completely useless. Sure, I have some apps/extensions that work offline, like Write Space and Scratchpad, but without an internet connection, how do I log-in to access these apps?

      I’m quite sure Google is working on an offline version of Google Apps, but right now, its still not ready yet.

      Some type of offline support is a must for this operating system to be accepted by the general consumer market.

      So, no, basically it is ENTIRELY USELESS without an internet connection.

    10. Re:Awesome! by yelvington · · Score: 1

      Sure but the Google Apps don't support offline versions. Nice try, though. Read the link I posted after this that points this out:

      This comes up every time ChromeOS is mentioned on Slashdot.

      Google implemented offline editing in Google Docs years ago (using Gears), then withdrew it in favor of a standards-based solution.

      At GoogleIO, it was announced that offline functionality for Google Docs, using HTML5 standards, is already working, is already deployed internally at Google, and will be externally available by July. Offline functionality for some other, simpler apps is already available.

    11. Re:Awesome! by Confusador · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but now one of the "features that require web access" is STORAGE, unlike every other device. I have to assume that that's not entirely true, because if I have to have a web connection to type a document I wouldn't use it for that, making this device nothing more than a web browser.

  12. Half the price? by ForgedArtificer · · Score: 1

    In Canada, that'd be roughly a third, or less, of a typical cell phone contract. I'm paying close to $80 CDN a month for 65 minutes, unlimited texting, caller ID and a gb of data on a smartphone... and I know Canada's not the worst, although we're pretty bad.

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  13. You won't keep it for five years. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

    So your math isn't realistic. This is a dumb terminal for $20/month. I can give you a shovel, and you might find an old Televideo in a landfill some place that might be adaptable to WiFi.

    Google believes convenience is going to rule, but there's little compelling for $20/month.

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  14. Necessity by dragonhunter21 · · Score: 1

    As an owner of a Chrome OS laptop, the only way I'd get one of these (or recommend it to a friend) is if they came with unlimited 3G. The 100mb cap is not nearly enough.

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    1. Re:Necessity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's about a week of pretty light use - I use a 3G dongle on vacation.

    2. Re:Necessity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's about a week of pretty light use - I use a 3G dongle on vacation.

      Hahaha.... Dongle.

    3. Re:Necessity by drb226 · · Score: 1

      Did I miss the part in TFA where they said there was a 100mb cap? [citation needed]

    4. Re:Necessity by RichM · · Score: 1

      As an owner of a Chrome OS laptop, the only way I'd get one of these (or recommend it to a friend) is if they came with unlimited 3G. The 100mb cap is not nearly enough.

      Is that per day?
      I hope so.

    5. Re:Necessity by Desler · · Score: 1

      http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2374323,00.asp

      Probably something such as this:

      Chrome OS users get 100MB per month from Verizon Wireless for free.

    6. Re:Necessity by dragonhunter21 · · Score: 1

      No. Per month.

      The school I go to has secured wireless with certificates, too. Guess what Chrome OS doesn't support.

      My CR-48 doesn't get much use anymore.

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    7. Re:Necessity by dragonhunter21 · · Score: 1

      As I stated above, I got one of the CR-48 Chrome OS laptops as part of the pilot program. It has an allowance of 100mb free 3G access per month. I'm saying that if this goes through they should bump that tremendously.

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    8. Re:Necessity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzNn3YKbvR4

  15. Proof? by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see definite proof in the form of a signup page rather than slashdot's repost of an extremetech repost of Forbe's repost of Engadget's speculation. Can anyone provide that?

    1. Re:Proof? by umberleigh · · Score: 1

      Google's live annoucement at Google I/O finished all of 5 minutes ago.

    2. Re:Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet here we are a full day later and all you can do is get on a mailing list. It just seems lately all slashdot does is play catch up with everyone else's coverage. It would be nice to see it separate the wheat from the chaff by saying, "Here's the rest of the story".

  16. Is Chrome OS still around? by dzfoo · · Score: 1

    I thought they would give it up after the lukewarm response to their beta devices.

    That's Google for you, not afraid of failure--even when it's staring at them squarely in the face.

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    1. Re:Is Chrome OS still around? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      I think they're looking at this as an inroads into the enterprise. Strategically that may make good sense. The biggest issue for them is the need to have 100% coverage with cloud-based apps to make it work, or a robust chrome remoteing solution (which they are apparently working on).

      Figure for a few hundred dollars you get a fully managed piece of hardware with near-zero provisioning required. Reimaging it just takes a boot off a USB drive and maybe 10 minutes of waiting. Settings are fully synced and all that. It basically is your thin-client desktop in a much more consumer-friendly package (3G modem, etc). I see Android and iPads as being more consumption-oriented - great for browsing facebook, youtube, or netflix, not so great for typing up a letter or your homework. Chrome OS is good enough to send emails, and not just read them and reply "sounds good."

  17. Ellen 2011: by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    I was writing a paper on the PC^W Google laptop, and it was, like, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep^W^W^W^W^W Google Docs crashed, and then, like, half^W all of my papers was gone. And I was, like ? meh. It devoured my paper. It was a really good papers. And then I had to do it^W them all again and I had to do it^W them fast so it^W they wasn't as good. It's kind of^W^W^W really a fucking bummer.

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    1. Re:Ellen 2011: by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      I've been curious for a while, but have to ask

      What does ^W mean??

    2. Re:Ellen 2011: by belthize · · Score: 1

      It's like ^H but for the entire word.

    3. Re:Ellen 2011: by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      And, whats ^H ?

    4. Re:Ellen 2011: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Control-H is the backspace key.

  18. Does this $20 include 3G connectivity? by flibbidyfloo · · Score: 1

    I can't tell from TFA if this price is supposed to include a 3G data connection. If it is, that would be revolutionary. If it doesn't, then I imagine the deal would only be interesting to students that get free wifi in their dorms and already have an XBox for their gaming needs. Sounds like a pretty good market, especially if they can get a deal with schools to offer it as part of tuition or dorm rent, etc.

    1. Re:Does this $20 include 3G connectivity? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      It's not revolutionary really. You can get laptops already with a 3G dongle on a contract.

      http://www.vodafone.co.uk/personal/mobile-internet/on-your-pc-or-mac/netbooks-and-laptops/index.htm

      I believe at least in the UK every provider offers some sort of laptop / mobile deal and has done for some time. The difference being Google pretty much has to do it if it can't really do anything offline.

    2. Re:Does this $20 include 3G connectivity? by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      Here in the states, any amount of service through mobile carriers costs us our mortal souls as well as an arm and a leg. So $20 a month for the machine with 3G connectivity included would be revolutionary...here. Everywhere with sensible mobile carriers (eg. basically everywhere else in the world) this might not seem like such a big deal.

  19. Re:Ahm, what about installment sales done by other by Ruke · · Score: 1

    It all depends on whether that $20/mo includes the data plan, or if the laptop only contains a 3G modem. If it does include the data plan, you're essentially getting a free notebook with the purchase of the data plan, which isn't too bad in itself.

  20. CS/SE majors? by tepples · · Score: 1

    It's $20/month/user for K12 and College

    But how well would it work for students majoring in software engineering or computer science?

    1. Re:CS/SE majors? by pr0t0 · · Score: 1

      I don't think it would work for them at all. There are many majors that require software installation so this wouldn't be the tool of choice. More broadly speaking though, I'm not sure it would work for students in general. I mean, can you print with it? How do you install printer drivers? Will I have to convince all of my professors to accept digital submissions of my work if I can't print? What if they only take Word documents because they aren't tech-savvy that's all they know how to use?

      In my mind, there are a lot of questions like these surrounding this device. So the final question is, why not just get a Win7 laptop for basically the same price, fire up Chrome for all the stuff I can do in a web browser, and have the peace of mind knowing I can handle anything else that can't be done in a web browser? I like the *idea* of ChromeOS and it does have many compelling qualities, but I think you would need to build or rebuild your IT infrastructure from the ground up to really make it useful for your students or your employees.

      Taking a long-view, perhaps that's what will happen. Organizations might find that they could dramatically reduce their costs if they migrate away from their Microsoft infrastructure and embrace a web-centric IT culture. They probably could but it's such a huge pill to swallow. I think they talked about 'momentum' in Google's Android keynote yesterday. Well, Google doesn't have it in the enterprise and Microsoft does (at least in my org). I don't know what it would take to shift that, but it would be interesting to see it happen.

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    2. Re:CS/SE majors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google Cloud Print was announced a while ago as the solution to printing under Chrome OS.

      I can see this making sense for K12. Pretty much all I remember using a computer for outside of specifically computer-oriented classes was office apps and web browsing (well and games). Currently the high school I went to has a couple computer labs and a few carts full of laptops. I have no idea how they handle Windows update on those laptops, but given the [lack of] competent of the IT people there (and at most high schools) they would be far better served by machines running Chrome OS (although I do dislike the idea of Google having every student's data :-/).

    3. Re:CS/SE majors? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      But how well would it work for students majoring in software engineering or computer science?

      It probably could, if the school was set up to use it for that. Obviously, you won't probably be running a compiler on it, but web based dev environments for popular languages exist, and Chrome OS can work as a thin client with both its built-in remoting and Citrix Receiver. So it could work, though the curriculum would have to account for it (but the curriculum always has to account for the particular environment being used for instruction.)

  21. Low income students by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will be a HUGE benefit to low income students. They may not be able to afford the for them large outlay of money all at once, buthtey can afford $20 a month, and it will allow them access to information and potentially allow them to excell in school. It would be very useful in schools and affordable enough to carry to class. Most people on this list are not the target market.

    1. Re:Low income students by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Then why not get a real laptop on financing? You don't need to pay the whole amount up front and even if you're paying interest it's not like people won't be making a profit on a Chrome OS laptop for $20 per month.

  22. I forsee a new reality show by slapout · · Score: 1

    One where they film people going around repossessing laptops.

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  23. Some of my classes by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    were attended by 100s of students. I can't see there being much capacity available to upload or download 10s of Mbytes per student for 100s or 1000s of students in a small campus area. I don't believe the infrastructure in most places would be able to handle "download your textbook and turn to the section on..." in a timely manner.

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    1. Re:Some of my classes by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      So the software will need to be designed to stream texts and presentations in manageable "chunks" rather than everything at once. For a system that is designed to always be connected to the net, this doesn't sound too hard to implement.

    2. Re:Some of my classes by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Chrome Apps can run offline. The problem is that only about three of them actually do - and they're all notepad clones. Most Chrome apps are little more than bookmarks to a website.

      I'd like to see Google come up with an offline Google Docs app. Granted, they'd then have to solve concurrency issues.

      However, HTML5 was designed to solve problems like the one you just brought up. You would simply download the textbook before class, and one time only.

  24. We are not the audience. by TomorrowPlusX · · Score: 1

    Every post here is (understandably) negative. But, come on kids, we are not the audience here. Programmers are not the audience. Hackers are not the audience. Gamers are not the audience.

    People who spend all day on facebook, gmail and last.fm are the audience. And this is probably a very good solution for them.

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    1. Re:We are not the audience. by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, people who spend all day in MS Word and Excel are probably the audience. That is probably 80% of the corporate world - a HUGE target audience.

      Just as android was a way to drive the cloud (and adsense) for the consumer, Chrome OS seems to be a way to drive the cloud for people who need a more laptop-like experience, or an enterprise solution.

  25. Do what while "sitting quietly"? by tepples · · Score: 1

    How many high schools do you know of that allow students to use a personal laptop in class?

    That depends on each student's individualized education plan. A gifted student with certain mental disabilities (such as ADHD or Asperger syndrome) may get computer time between the lecture and the end of the period.

    It is considered a distraction.

    Whom does it distract?

    1. Re:Do what while "sitting quietly"? by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      "student's individualized education plan"

      "individualized education "

      How do you get that?

    2. Re:Do what while "sitting quietly"? by rhook · · Score: 1

      You have to be in special ed.

    3. Re:Do what while "sitting quietly"? by rhook · · Score: 1

      Nice to see that you equate special education with all high school students. I take it you rode the short bus to school. As for who it distracts, everyone. It is hard to concentrate when you have someone sitting around playing on Facebook during class (and that is what 90% of students do on their laptops during class), not to mention the noise made from typing. In fact many professors do not allow use of laptops during lecture anymore because of these very reasons.

    4. Re:Do what while "sitting quietly"? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Nice to see that you equate special education with all high school students.

      Having been a client of Indiana's special education system, I have no experience with what goes on for students with no IEP.

      I take it you rode the short bus to school.

      I was fortunate enough to ride the ordinary bus because my disability at the time did not impair mobility.

      It is hard to concentrate when you have someone sitting around playing on Facebook during class (and that is what 90% of students do on their laptops during class)

      Then the standard IEP for students in gifted-and-talented special ed would specify firewalling off activities that cause distraction. But access to a text editor for taking notes would not be blocked, nor would access to an IDE used for one's Introduction to Programming homework would not be blocked.

      In fact many professors do not allow use of laptops during lecture anymore because of these very reasons.

      Which runs squarely in the face of several school districts' switch from an emphasis on teaching joined-up handwriting to an emphasis on teaching keyboarding.

  26. Fuck that by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 0

    I'm not paying a contract for a laptop. I have a real laptop with an SSD and a PAYG mobile dongle so I only pay for 3G when I use it and my laptop runs real software / games. If you can't pay for a laptop up fornt get it on financing rather than being locked into a contract for what'll no doubt be a handicapped netbook.

    1. Re:Fuck that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      oh, everyone! look at me: "I" have a "Real" laptop with an "SSD"

      you know what? go fuck yourself.

  27. So ends an era by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 1

    I was about to make a snarky comment about turning in your geek card, but then realized we now have a generation of geeks who legitimately don't know that ^W = Control-W => Delete Word.

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    1. Re:So ends an era by mikechant · · Score: 1

      And I was thinking about a snarky comment along the "is google not working then?" lines, but it's actually quite hard to find. Google seems to ignore the circumflex, even with quotes, i.e."^W", and the first few results for 'control W' all refer to the windows 'close window' shortcut...

  28. Special education by tepples · · Score: 1

    "individualized education "

    How do you get that?

    Let me Google that for you. If it is demonstrated that a K-12 student's difference in ability has an adverse effect on the student's educational progress, the student is entitled to an IEP.

  29. EDGE fallback? by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 1

    Lacking 3G coverage, most areas have EDGE network available, and the 3G radio should fall back to that.
    Yeah, it's slow - but at least it works (big difference between "slow" and "nothing"). 'tis rare that my iPad gets no service whatsoever, as most "middle of nowhere" areas still have EDGE at minimum.

    Upshot: if your cell phone works, and you're not doing international roaming, it will at least function passably until you return to suitable civilization.

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  30. Going to far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like many things abut Google, but I am starting to dislike more and more and i am convinced they will be evil some day.

  31. Watch out! It's radioactive! by treeves · · Score: 1

    According to http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/reCenter.jsp?z=24&n=24, Cr-48 is is radioactive, with a half life of about 21.5 hrs.
    It decays by inverse beta decay (electron capture) which is funny since Google applications seem to stay in beta forever.

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  32. The details by Ryan_Singer · · Score: 1
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  33. $20 / mo is too expensive by markjhood2003 · · Score: 1

    All the data that Google will be able to collect from these laptops and the Google services they enable are going to be worth way more to Google than $20 / mo. Google should be providing the laptop free of charge in exchange.

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  35. More student loans? by Waccoon · · Score: 1

    Just what I need... doing homework on rented equipment.

  36. $20/mo for 3g? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel like a lot of the commenter are missing that this includes 3G access. That alone covers more than the $20 monthly asking fee.

  37. your terminal doesn't have one? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    ^H is the GET OFF MY LAWN key sequence

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  38. This thread is a shitstorm by Eulogistics · · Score: 1

    I usually read through the first couple comments for Slashdot stories, because I generally like the arguments that are made. I read through the first couple for this article because I'm interested in the brewing war between Windows and ChromeOS, and this whole topic is a disgusting shitstorm: fights about nationalism, racist crap, petty name-calling....what the fuck? I know I'm not making it any better, but I was just so surprised I had to comment on it.

  39. Canada? by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Will they be available to us Canadians?
    If not, then I guess I will have to buy in the US, but will it be worthwhile, anyone have thoughts or POC for this?