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Government Funded Atomic Clock On a Chip

An anonymous reader writes "Today most applications that require accurate atomic clock readings — from sorting separately routed telecommunications packets to timing simultaneous demolition charges — usually refer to signals from global positioning systems (GPS). For applications where GPS is unavailable, such as indoors, underground, undersea or on the battlefield where electronic jamming is present, large, heavy, power hungry hardware atomic clocks were needed. Now an atomic clock-on-a-chip is available that is the result of 10 years of government-funded research and development. The chip is not cheap — $1,500 — but it costs less than conventional atomic clocks and the price is sure to go down as manufacturing gears up to meet demand from military applications."

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  1. Re:Thanks but no thanks! by Arlet · · Score: 2

    From TFA:

    The secret to the new atomic clock on a chip is a solid-state laser illuminating a tiny container holding normal non-radioactive cesium vapor

  2. Re:Thanks but no thanks! by 0123456 · · Score: 2

    But it's ATOMIC!

  3. frequency hopping and better navigation. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can think of two to uses off the top of my head. The first is for really fast frequency hopping radios. The rate at which they can hop from one to the next has got to be in some measure limited to how accurate the clock they use is.
    And the next one would be improved navigation. You could use these with ground stations and provide extremely accurate navigation and you could use more powerful transmitters so they would be harder to jam.
    Now if they could uses these to put a time signature on every radio, tv, and cell tower You could improve navigation in areas where GPS doesn't work so well. Like in buildings. cites with lots of tall buildings, or areas with lots of tree cover.

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    1. Re:frequency hopping and better navigation. by Arlet · · Score: 3, Informative

      Having a local known good time would reduce the GPS error by itself. It would also allow 3D position to be determined with 3 visible satellites instead of 4.

    2. Re:frequency hopping and better navigation. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      Not being very familiar with relativity and all that, at what precision and time frame might relativistic effects cause this to become unsynchronized?

      Hmm, rough estimate says 10E-14 scale error will be detectable at >150 km/hour.

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    3. Re:frequency hopping and better navigation. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yup. One of the barriers to postprocessing is local clock inaccuracy - so having a local atomic clock would be great for survey-grade GPS units.

      And as you stated - if receiver clock offset is 0, then you don't need to solve for it, and can get 3D position with 3 sats instead of 4. The actual effect of an inaccurate clock on the error is harder to determine - I have a feeling that with a reasonable quality local crystal oscillator (good enough not to cause cycle slips in the measured carrier phase, etc.) it's insignificant compared to ionospheric error and RF noise in the pseudoranges, along with multipath. The new L2C civilian signal will help some of these issues.

      A highly accurate local clock might also make dead reckoning in a blockage situation (urban canyons, tunnels, etc) and signal reacquisition after blockage goes away faster.

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    4. Re:frequency hopping and better navigation. by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 2

      The also do have a relativity correction build in. Something of the order of micro seconds per week IIRC.

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    5. Re:frequency hopping and better navigation. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      If I understand the math right, it'd also let you almost determine 2D position with two rather than three, which means faster locks. I say almost, because the equasions would actually provide two solutions - but you can handle that in software, by using the last-known-good measurement to determine which of those two is correct.

  4. Re:Thanks but no thanks! by _0xd0ad · · Score: 2

    I didn't even notice that he mentioned smoke detectors. And, nah, I'm pretty sure he's legitimately nuts.

  5. Re:Thanks but no thanks! by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Umm, not all smoke detectors are of the electrostatic variety. There are types that use an IR laser to check for particulates and smoke based on occlusion.

    Also, for some fun facts, see The XKCD Radiation Dosage Chart! If you worry about smoke detectors, you'll be surprised at how much radiation you get from living in a brick house...

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  6. Re:Thanks but no thanks! by _0xd0ad · · Score: 3, Funny

    This orange represents your head. This tinfoil represents... well, tinfoil. This microwave represents... well, just watch.

  7. Re:OXCOs are cheap and common right now by imlepid · · Score: 2

    Yes, you can use OCXOs, but they aren't technically atomic clocks. Further, an OCXO (like the one you showed) requires 1.5W, which doesn't sound like much, but the unit linked to above needs only 100mW. A true atomic clock (a rubidium oscillator, for example) is significantly larger than this unit and also draws much more power (11W, steady state).

    All things told, though, a OCXO or rubidium frequency standard from eBay should be good enough for most users.

  8. Re:Thanks but no thanks! by ByOhTek · · Score: 4, Informative

    (1) most atomic clocks don't use anything radioactive, they use vibrations of cesium atoms. Given how up tight you are, something that vibrates might be useful to you.
    (2) don't eat bananas.

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  9. Re:Thanks but no thanks! by longacre · · Score: 2

    "The secret to the new atomic clock on a chip is a solid-state laser illuminating a tiny container holding normal non-radioactive cesium vapor."

  10. Re:Thanks but no thanks! by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 2

    Atomic == Nuclear

    Be afraid of it !!

  11. Re:OXCOs are cheap and common right now by kaiser423 · · Score: 2

    The chip from the article is ~100x more accurate and consumes 1/10th the power and is similar size of smaller for ~75x the price.

    Pretty big leap if you ask me, and I know lots of people that will be looking to utilize these. I expect in the near future that the pricing will drop significantly, since that pricing was just for the initial batch run.

  12. No! not Symmetricon! by NixieBunny · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Symmetricon has been buying up all the other precision clock makers, and is now a monopoly. They can and do charge whatever they like for such products.

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    1. Re:No! not Symmetricon! by satan666 · · Score: 2

      I know what you're saying and all but this is bigger that you initially thought.
      Let's dig a bit deeper.

      When GPS first came out (and President Clinton allowed for the superior GPS signal to be released to the public), we all thought: Wow! Finally!
      As EE's we thought the time had come for really, really cheap GPS based NTP servers and timing products. You know, like in the $100.00 range.

      Who gives a fuck? Well, actually we all do. We are all paying for NTP synchronization hardware because all major server farms and even small
      places need a precise, non-interruptable timing standard.

      So, Symmetricom has been buying out everyone who was in the business. The only people left are a few specialty shops. And Symmetricom is charging B-I-G bucks for their machines.

      So, congrats to Symmetricom for developing this product. I hope the sell millions. However, one has to wonder if this would cost in the $100.00 range
      if 10-20 companies were in the running.

      Think about this: All timing is moving to very precise standards with the 1x10^(-14) short term drift range.

      This will be available from $1.00 off the shelf products in 20 years I figure. The thing is, we really need it now!

      We should not depend on one vendor for this. It is too important.

      Having said that, I am afraid that the Chinese might be on the verge of releasing just such a product. They rely on high precision timing, just as much as we do, and they really don't like depending on others for stuff like this.

      Cheers

  13. Re:Government-Funded by blueg3 · · Score: 2

    Only if the entire headline is simply a noun phrase: an atomic clock (on a chip) that is government-funded.

    If, on the other hand, the headline is saying that the government funded the development of an atomic clock (on a chip), then the lack of hyphen is acceptable.

    Both are acceptable, since in order to produce a government-funded clock, at some point, the government must have funded the clock.

  14. Re:Thanks but no thanks! by nabsltd · · Score: 3, Funny

    So the laser simply asks the cesium what time it is.

    ...millions of times per second. Sort of like the world's most annoying child:

    "What time is it? Are we there yet? What time is it?"

  15. Re:OXCOs are cheap and common right now by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 4, Funny

    As for time dilation of any kind, there are maybe five people (all of them Doctors of some sort) who care in anything other than a merit-badge sort of way.

    Who's one of them?

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  16. Not that large or power hungry by tttonyyy · · Score: 2

    I've designed kit with atomic clocks for undersea use, and specified where to procure them from. At the time (over a decade ago) rubidium clocks could be imported from Switzerland for between £1000 and £2000 with a choice of outputs (square, sine, frequency, amplitude...). They were the size of approx two Nintendo DSs on top of each other. Power consumption wasn't that bad.

    Given how long ago that was, I imagine things have improved significantly in terms of form factor and power consumption since then.

    So I'm not convinced on the headline assertions about how massive they are and the huge amount of power they draw :)

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  17. Re:OXCOs are cheap and common right now by tibit · · Score: 2

    Inertial navigation needs that sort of accuracy. Low-drift, high-resolution laser gyros are IIRC as good as and no better than their time bases are. Drift in reference frequency causes changes in gain...

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