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Why You Shouldn't Panic Over Mac Malware

Earlier this week, we discussed reports that Mac malware was finally becoming a significant problem. Now, reader wiredmikey points out an editorial arguing that everyone should slow down and analyze the situation more calmly so the threat can be accurately assessed. Quoting: "According to Apple, the Mac installed base is approximately 50 million users. But according to Gartner, the number of Android handsets sold in 2010 alone exceeded 67 million units, giving it an installed base that is larger, and growing much faster, than the Mac base. If a large numbers of eyeballs is indeed the lure that causes criminals to write malware for a given operating system, surely Android is a more tempting target than Mac OS. ... I predict that the increase in perceived risks to Mac customers will give Apple the excuse it needs to increase its control over the Mac software ecosystem, by moving ISVs to the Mac App Store. It is no accident that the theme of the upcoming Lion desktop operating system is 'Back to the Mac': taking concepts that Apple employed successfully with the mobile version of OS X (iOS) and back-porting them to the desktop OS. One of those features is the introduction of the Mac App Store, an Apple-controlled storefront for selling and distributing applications. ... This provides buyers some assurance that their apps are from known points of origin and that they don’t contain malware, such as the Mac Defender Trojan horse.

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  1. Safari browser exploits by Robadob · · Score: 5, Informative

    Safari browser exploits and other app exploits can still lead to installing malware on a machine.

    1. Re:Safari browser exploits by Lennie · · Score: 2

      The solution is obvisous, disconnect all the ethernet connectors, wifi, bluetooth, usb, firewire, cd-/dvd-drives and whatever else you can think of and lock it in a bunker.

      While you are at is, remove the user too. :-)

      Maybe it will be a bit more secure after that.

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    2. Re:Safari browser exploits by bleble · · Score: 2
      In the wild. That's how you rootkit your phone too. There's no reason why it wouldn't be used to install other crap on your phone.

      I also find the comparison to Android funny;

      But according to Gartner, the number of Android handsets sold in 2010 alone exceeded 67 million units, giving it an installed base that is larger, and growing much faster, than the Mac base. If a large numbers of eyeballs is indeed the lure that causes criminals to write malware for a given operating system, surely Android is a more tempting target than Mac OS.

      Android has malware. And I think iPhone owners are better target money wise - mostly US rich kids.

    3. Re:Safari browser exploits by gnasher719 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Safari browser exploits and other app exploits can still lead to installing malware on a machine.

      The point is that
      this is not true. Use of a Safari feature that is very useful for anyone downloading legitimate software allows malware to be downloaded and Apple's installer to be started. But "Installer started" != "malware installed". There is this tiny, tiny little gap that the malware cannot cross if the user has a brain: To install the malware, the user has to willingly enter their administrator password. No administrator password, no malware.

    4. Re:Safari browser exploits by brusk · · Score: 4, Funny

      Easier just to disconnect the power. Pro tip: nearly 100% of malware infections occur in machines that are powered up.

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    5. Re:Safari browser exploits by adamstew · · Score: 2

      There is an ethernet port on my current generation MacBook Pro. The machine was refreshed about 3 months ago, and they are still including ethernet ports. In fact, the only computer that Apple produces that doesn't have an ethernet port is the MacBook Air. Every other computer has a gigabit ethernet port.

    6. Re:Safari browser exploits by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is why I figured it would only be a matter of time before Macs end up nearly as infested as Windows boxes. the last numbers I saw were something like an average income of $100,000 for Mac owners, which means snatching their CC numbers will be worth a hell of a lot more than snatching the CC from the girl that works the checkout at the Wally World who just got her a $400 Dell laptop.

      This is something that both Linux and Apple users are simply gonna have to accept, it is simple really all computers are vulnerable period. ALL OSes, I don't care who makes them, are extremely complex piles of code with so many interactions on so many levels nobody can have a full grasp of all the variables anymore, and that is before you add third party code on top.

      Can they be made more secure? Of course they can, which is why you see only 4 infections per 1000 on Windows 7 VS 14 per 1000 on WinXP. But no matter how well you harden the OS it always comes down to the user is the weak point which is why here in my shop I've seen Windows malware go from drive bys and exploits to nearly all social engineering based, it is simply easier if you can trick the user to help you.

      In the end owning a Mac or running Linux doesn't instantly make you a CS genius or make you invulnerable to social engineering, as we saw with the Mac DNS changer bug or the KDE screensaver malware that went around a couple of years ago. It all comes down to how bad the bad guys want in, and how much working they are willing to do for a target.

      What has protected Macs and Linux in the past is that malware writers like all criminals are naturally lazy creatures, and there was plenty of low hanging Windows machines to snatch. Now that Android is popping up everywhere and the malware guys are starting to realize Macs=money I have NO doubt things are gonna change, just as I have seen Windows malware going from exploit based to third party to social engineering. Times change, targets change, and I have a feeling so many have bought the "Macs don't get malware!" meme that until some really nasty bugs hit Mac guys are gonna be easy pickings. I've already seen it myself, with having to argue with a customer who swore up and down his Macs couldn't possibly be infected even as the DNS Changer bug was redirecting everything.

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    7. Re:Safari browser exploits by Draek · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're silly, and you've obviously never worked in tech support.

      Here's the thing: even in the dreadful, woefully unsafe world of Windows '98 and ME, over 80% of malware infections could've been avoided by having the user learn some simple, seemingly obvious security tips such as do not install fucking Bonzi Buddy EVER AGAIN, you piece of useless, ignorant trash!!!, *ehem*. Yeah, like that.

      Social Engineering is still the surest method to gain control of another machine, and the user is still in nearly all cases the most vulnerable part of a given system's security. So far, the only thing that has kept Mac users relatively safe so far has been their relative insignificance in the world of computing as a whole, but if black hats start targeting them seriously they'll buckle just as fast as their Windows brethren.

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    8. Re:Safari browser exploits by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2

      What has protected Macs and Linux in the past is that malware writers like all criminals are naturally lazy creatures, and there was plenty of low hanging Windows machines to snatch. Now that Android is popping up everywhere and the malware guys are starting to realize Macs=money I have NO doubt things are gonna change, just as I have seen Windows malware going from exploit based to third party to social engineering. Times change, targets change, and I have a feeling so many have bought the "Macs don't get malware!" meme that until some really nasty bugs hit Mac guys are gonna be easy pickings. I've already seen it myself, with having to argue with a customer who swore up and down his Macs couldn't possibly be infected even as the DNS Changer bug was redirecting everything.

      The problem is, we've heard this same thing for the past 10+ years. The malware is coming. Just you wait. 10 years later, the flood has yet to materialize.

      That's not to say that everything not-Windows is immune. Quite the contrary. There has been malware targeting other platforms to include MacOS and Linux. They just don't do well. And thus, those platforms continue to avoid being low-hanging fruit. There has to be a change other than just "oh hey - we CAN target these other platforms!"

    9. Re:Safari browser exploits by macs4all · · Score: 2

      Safari browser exploits and other app exploits can still lead to installing malware on a machine.

      Curiously enough, however; I have never had that dubious "pleasure". And me and my Safari have been to some pretty nefarious sites in the past six or seven years since Safari debuted.

      Having said that, I did install ClickToFlash after that hideous Flash exploit scare several months ago. Adobe (IIRC) patched the vulnerability; but I leave ClickToFlash enabled, simply because I thoroughly enjoy not having Flash suck down massive amounts of CPU just to constantly annoy me with advertisements. When I want to see particular Flash content, I simply click on the area that the Flash wants to execute in, and voila!

      But that is the only "anti-malware" I have EVER run on my Mac. And it sits bare-nekkid on the internet, 24/7/365, running an ftp server with (read-only) anonymous access (on the standard port), a streaming video server (on port 80), and ssh (on the standard port). So far, lots and lots and LOTS of attempts (some probably being mounted as I type), but, all the time I've had it set up that way, none have successfully broken in.

      So, I am just a little smug at this point. But I am not so smug as to not keep an eye out for that situation to eventually change...

    10. Re:Safari browser exploits by Kalriath · · Score: 2

      IE isn't integrated in Windows, just like Safari isn't integrated into OS X. Safari and IE are merely chrome around their respective HTML renderers - WebKit and Trident. Neither of which is "integrated" into the OS but both are used extensively by first party and third party applications.

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    11. Re:Safari browser exploits by macs4all · · Score: 2

      People use Safari on the Mac? I haven't used Safari on any of my Mac machines in YEARS. Last time I've used Safari was to download Firefox or Chrome. Not to mention, Safari isn't integrated into the OS like IE, so the attack isn't going to get you nearly as much. The user will still end up being prompted to enter their password if anything tries to cross that threshold. That kind of thing sets off a MUCH bigger bell in someone's head than "click yes to get awesome ringtones". Next straw man please!

      I use Safari. In fact, the only time I use Firefox is when some dumbass website refuses to work with Safari (about once or twice a year, and always having something to do with a "form").

      Firefox for Mac sucks. It's my preferred browser when I am forced to use Windows; but Safari rocks on OS X. You need to give it another try.

  2. Qubes OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll admit I bought a macbook in 2009 with likelihood of system vulnerabilities in mind. I *did* consider a number of other things, so I'm not a bad person, I swear.

    Some say it's a case of going to a FOSS operating system... or specifically a BSD family kernel... or even of going to OpenBSD exclusively. Some say it's a case of knowing our OpenBSD software inside out and testing thouroughly *and* putting various in safeguards.

    However, they're all missing a piece of the puzzle. Qubes OS should be on everyone's radar, especially since it's starting to progress. Sadly, it's one of those things that unless you give it some time to read up about you'll only hear bits and pieces about and then sadly ignore it.

    Qubes, with Joanna Rutkowska at the helm no less, is a solid framework of ideas that results in the security we should all expect of an operating system. Fear that you'll have input sniffed or root compromised? Have your system disconnected from the internet - "what?", you say, before you read on and realise how silly it is in the first place.

    Everything is in a VM instance, each VM instance can boot from the same image and run a (single, if you feel like it) program. The data that instance *thinks* was written to disk was instead pushed to a copy-on-write block device which can be thrown away when you're done.want files between different VMs? Message dom0 with the request from inside the VM and then accept the dialogue box that your isolated dom0 greets you with.

    Sadly, I'm not the best ambassador. Sadly, I'm in a rush and haven't supplied my best effort in communicating how significant Qubes will be. Sadly, it's taken until now to have decent security on a desktop. But now I can be confident.

    The universe is smiling down on me for this post with a captcha of "secure", and rightly so if you hop aboard.

    1. Re:Qubes OS by obarthelemy · · Score: 2

      It's not about the OS, it's about the user. Don't run in admin mode, install an antivirus and OS/Apps updates, don't install crap from just anywhere, avoid Flash, IE, Firefox.

      Been doing that in Windows for me and my parents for years, got a virus once, when an ex called bout a failing hard drive and I dumbly just connected it to my spare PC to try and salvage the files.

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    2. Re:Qubes OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know whether your post is serious or a reference to some meme I am unfamiliar with, but anyway.

      Everything is in a VM instance

      If this is the (only) reason why it is "secure", and the official website seems to say so, you may want to go with OpenBSD anyway. To quote Theo de Raadt:

      You are absolutely deluded, if not stupid, if you think that a
      worldwide collection of software engineers who can't write operating
      systems or applications without security holes, can then turn around
      and suddenly write virtualization layers without security holes.

      Rutkowska definitely has an impressive resume, but I don't think that even someone like her can make a system secure just by using virtualization. However, I will make sure to keep an eye on that project, it looks quite interesting even though it won't replace my current setup.

  3. What a load of crap by Flipao · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's no need to deflect attention,, this is not about Android, this is about Apple computers having the type of issues for which PCs have always been made fun of.

    The reason Mac users are now targetted is because they are less computer savvy, have deep pockets and have been educated to open their wallet on command.

    1. Re:What a load of crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Mac users less computer savvy? Not really I've seen a lot of IT- and multimedia-pros using them. I've never understood why geeks don't appreciate useability...

      For me the Mac is Unix + hardware support + hot souce!

      But I'd have to thank Linux as it made me fall in love with *nix-systems.

      And exploits? I only get my software from trusted sources, no remote services are on, never connect to public wifi. On the other hand, if you follow this advice you are very unlikely to get infected, even on windows. But I just prefer the Mac. No need for bashing and fanboyism.

    2. Re:What a load of crap by dr.Flake · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sort of the same for me.

      For me the route was also windows -> linux -> OSX.

      However, during my linux period i grew accustomed to finding great software doing almost everything i could wish for within a few clicks/google searches.

      For OSX its the opposite. For every small task that i want to accomplish, i seem to need to pony up. Every small time programmer tries to make a buck with his little program. Nothing wrong with that, but where are the Free/Libre alternatives?

      For now, after long searches i end up installing untrustworthy programs, because i'm used to get it all for "free" (he, i am Dutch). My problem, sure. But a lot of people like me would fall into these kind of traps.

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    3. Re:What a load of crap by Gaygirlie · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mac users less computer savvy? Not really I've seen a lot of IT- and multimedia-pros using them.

      Yes, and I've seen plenty of IT- and multimedia-pros using Windows PCs, yet majority of Windows users are still not too computer savvy. Similarly, from what I've seen the majority of Mac users are equally non-computer-savvy.

      And that's the whole issue. These scams and such aren't targeting the pros, they are targeting the people who don't really understand what they're doing. Macs are also more costly than the average Windows PCs and thus it's likely that a person owning a Mac is wealthy enough to make an excellent target for these things.

    4. Re:What a load of crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You have pretty much that, if you want your GUI application to run under X11 (well, some things are a bit different, but not that much).

      But if you want native OS X applications, then the free alternatives are usually outnumbered by the shareware ones. Shareware has been strong in the Mac ecosystem since before OS X whereas it has been mostly non-existent in the Linux ecosystem.

    5. Re:What a load of crap by popo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, it's all about Android.

      Any hacker will tell you that the smartphone is the juiciest target of them all. Loaded with credit card and direct billing capacity, and with manufacturer-customized OS's that are rarely updated or patched, and thrown together under tight deadlines.

      Smartphones are the low hanging fruit of the decade. And of that fruit, Android is the juiciest because of it's relative lack of manufacturer updates.

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    6. Re:What a load of crap by boristhespider · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait, you mean.... the majority of people aren't computer savvy????? STOP THE PRESSES!

      I'm not sure why people find this so hard to understand. Most people in this world
      a) Don't understand computers
      b) Don't really give a shit about understanding computers
      c) Simply just don't care

      That goes whether they're running Windows or Mac -- and for those who use a Linux their more computer-savvy relatives installed on their computer. And these days I strongly expect more and more Linux users to be computer un-savvy. That's the whole point behind Canonical's ethos is to grow beyond people who enjoy recompiling kernels, after all.

    7. Re:What a load of crap by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      However, during my linux period i grew accustomed to finding great software doing almost everything i could wish for within a few clicks/google searches.

      For OSX its the opposite. For every small task that i want to accomplish, i seem to need to pony up. Every small time programmer tries to make a buck with his little program. Nothing wrong with that, but where are the Free/Libre alternatives?

      Not learnt anything during your Linux period? Ok, I'll help out. The answer to your question is: Are you writing them? No? See, that's why they're not there.

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    8. Re:What a load of crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Around CS and math departments at universities, it seems to me that macs are becoming almost universally adopted. Same is true for the best back-end oriented tech companies (e.g., google). I think it's likely that there are two peaks for computer skill for mac users-- very competent folks who are willing to pay more for an easy-to-use unix laptop, and those less savvy folks that you seem to have more experience with.

    9. Re:What a load of crap by stewbacca · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unpossible. Haven't you read the comments? Only people who are STUPID and have DEEP POCKETS use Macs. Neither of these describes college students.

    10. Re:What a load of crap by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have far far more people ask me for help with their iphones/ipads/ipods than any other piece of technology. I thought they were so easy to use?
      I always tell them I boycott apple and refuse to even try to learn, which I'm sure I could.

  4. App store as a preventative? On a Mac? by Altanar · · Score: 2

    Unless Apple makes it mandatory for all applications on Macs be installed using the new app store, then it doesn't prevent anything. It's not like Mac users are going to immediately stop installing stand-alone programs the moment the store comes out. And if they're installing standalone programs, then the people who get tricked into installing fake anti-virus software won't give it a second thought about installing what that fake system message pop-up told them.

  5. Why You Shouldn't Panic Over Mac Malware by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...because you don't have a Mac?
    That covers most people - many of whom actually should panic over Windows malware. But nobody should be too smug, not even Linux-only or BSD-only users, since every compromised machine (Windows or Mac or whatever) pollutes the internet commons.

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  6. Re:Now I am _really_ panicked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's probably not a popular opinion here, but my experience with the Mac App store is very positive. It works well, no installation hassles, automatic upgrades,... and I have the impression that it drives the price down.

  7. Re:Now I am _really_ panicked by node+3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, this story is complete bullshit. Apple is not going to lock down Mac OS X Lion. There's no way they can use this current trojan as an excuse to do something which makes no damned sense in the first place. Apple will not cripple Mac OS X. The only remotely possible thing is that 10.8 could have a security model that defaults to only allowing signed apps, but the user can toggle a System Preference to enable it. However, even this is of extremely low likelihood. Mac OS X and iOS are not the same OS. What's good for one OS is not necessarily good for the other. That's why there are two OS's in the first place! Tech "writers" need to figure this out.

  8. Astroturf. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nice bit of Astroturf there.

    So, we shouldn't worry about malware on the Mac because Oh LOOK here's some speculation about a completely different OS so don't pay attention to this story anymore!!!

    And then the inevitable push from Apple to have total control over you system by the eventual restriction of apps to Apple market-approved programs only. Well that's sure a nice idea, too bad some of the Official apps like Safari also contain security weaknesses. So much for the safety of the walled garden approach. But it's not stopping them from trying, apparently.

    No, I don't panic over Malware on my Mac. It has nothing to do with Android, or any other OS, or the App Market, or anything else this shit-for-an-article is talking about.

  9. No need to panic, merely be more careful. by MROD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The story has the correct title but rather misses the point. Yes, it's not time to panic. There is a set of malicious tojan horse programs out there for MacOS. The current crop require the user to authorise their installation. i.e. the security weakest link (at the moment) being exploited is the one behind the keyboard. Very often this is the places where security is the weakest, just watch WarGames if you doubt this. MacOS is by design, with a greater degree of privilege and OS/Application separation, more resistant to attack than Microsoft Windows has been. However, this is not to say that it is not vulnerable. All systems are, be it design flaws or merely implementation flaws. Yes, I'm looking at you Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, HP/UX and AIX. No-one can rest on their laurels.

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    1. Re:No need to panic, merely be more careful. by benjymouse · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes I have, and it's an attempt to retro-fit a useful security model to a system not designed to have such security from the beginning.

      No, UAC uses the already user and process tokens which were in Windows NT from the get-go to strip any token of certain rights. Compared to OS X and unix whic were borne with 12 bits of security, the Windows model is much more granular. The fact that Windows model is built to secure any OS object - not just filesystem objects - makes it more suitable in this exact scenario. The *nix idea of allowing setuid or setgid "servers" to "drop from root" is thoroughly broken and has been the source of numerous vulnerabilities and exploits. Setuid is necessary because *nix does not have sufficiently granular privileges.

      UAC is using capabilities which were already there, thanks to the initial design using tokens and handles.

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    2. Re:No need to panic, merely be more careful. by benjymouse · · Score: 2

      MacOS is by design, with a greater degree of privilege and OS/Application separation, more resistant to attack than Microsoft Windows has been.

      Could you describe that "design", please? I mean a few more specifics beyond the "it builds upon Unix" as if that is in itself a design. What separation are you referring to?

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  10. Re:Panic? by msauve · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology — where each worker may bloom, secure from the pests purveying contradictory truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death, and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail!

    And you'll see why 2011 will be like "1984."

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  11. Re:Panic? by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 2

    The person who most passionately appears to criticise some ideology in his youth is most likely to follow it in his old age.

    (Politicians doubly so.)

  12. Re:Now I am _really_ panicked by sunspot42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, this story is complete bullshit. Apple is not going to lock down Mac OS X Lion.

    I disagree. I think Apple probably will ship a locked-down version of OS X sometime in the next couple of years, and it'll be the default version of the OS. Yeah, you'll still be able to unlock it, but it may not be particularly easy - indeed, the ability to unlock may only be available in a separate "professional" version of the OS.

    And I think given the stupidity of the average user (Mac, PC, Android, whatever), this is probably not a bad thing.

  13. OS X App Store a disappointment so far by cerberusss · · Score: 4, Informative

    So far, the OS X AppStore couldn't be called 'wildly popular' since its inception on January this year. Regularly, I checked my installed apps for availability in the App Store, because it allows for such easy updating. Lo and behold, only fairly trivial apps are there, the following list is not available in the App Store:

    • Google software (Chrome, Sketchup)
    • Mozilla software (Firefox, Thunderbird)
    • Adobe software (Flash, Flash Builder CS5, Photoshop etc)
    • Microsoft software (Office, Messenger, Silverlight etc.)
    • OpenOffice
    • Seashore (painting program)
    • Parallels
    • VLC
    • Skype
    • Calibre (an eBook converter)
    • XBench (a benchmark for OS X)
    • Vuze
    • KisMAC

    Now I agree that stuff like a bittorrent client (Vuze) and a network sniffing tool (KisMAC) would probably be refused in the App Store. But all in all, the OS X App Store could be called a disappointment so far.

    Note that the Opera browser (which contains a bittorrent client) is in the App Store.

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  14. Re:Now I am _really_ panicked by stewbacca · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And, yes, they will certainly lock down OSX.

    Ahh, the inevitably incorrect Apple prediction. The most valuable tech company in the world that was predicted dead in 1997...the company that killed the floppy drive prematurely...the company that adopted USB too early...the company with the lame mp3 player.

    You may still be able to buy a Mac Pro with an unlocked OS, but I'm willing to bet that soon all iMacs and MacBooks will be 100% walled garden.

    That is possibly the most stupid prediction I've seen. Why would the company who is getting ready to consolidate OSX Server and OSX Home into ONE edition --OSX Lion-- start making different versions of the OS based on the user's hardware?

    Keep predicting slashdotters, because my livelihood benefits from your terrible predictions.

  15. Oh don't worry by MadeInUSA · · Score: 2

    Don't worry, huh? There are more Androids than Apple computers out there... While I believe some people store pretty important information on their phones and "pads", I tend to think that malware in a deskptop is a much more serious threat to people - maybe because most people store their most personal and sensitive information in desktops?

  16. Using A Sledgehammer To Crack A Walnut by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just an education to those "happy-go-lucky" fanbois who believe their beloved Macs are somehow immune to malware:

    1. Malware can appear on any system - yes, even my beloved Linux is not totally immune from the threats.

    2. Defending computing devices against malware is as much about your own common sense as it is about someone else's anti-walware software or handing over your responsibilities in their entirety to Lord Jobs The Almighty. That means understanding *how* malware can enter through a web-site, email attachment, etc. and not going to sulubrious websites or opening emails where you don't necessarily trust the source. Yes, fanbois, it may be beneath your designer "pay someone else to do it lifestyles" but it all comes down to not being naive plonkers and learning how a computer works.

    3. Apple has become an "evil company" in the eyes of many, just like Microsoft and Sony did. When that's the case, subsets of malware authors who consider themselves to be Internet Robin Hoods will consider that they are doing the world a favour by targetting Apple over and over again. Whether they do that or not is irrespective of how many Macs are out there, it's more on just how big and evil they perceive Apple to be.

    4. Apple moving all software under the App Store banner is *precisely* what Apple wants to do because it makes them more money - it has *nothing* to do with anti-malware measures apart from giving them a good excuse to do it amongst the faithful. As that lockdown gets more and more, you will see a recurrence of exactly what has plagued Windows for many years - namely that not every fanboi has millionnaire parents and whilst some will buy every piece of software they use, most will get cracked copies which will be infected with all manner of malware because they won't or can't pay for the software.

    5. Yes, Android will also be targetted and non-techie Android users will suffer as a result. But anyone who is tech-savvy knows where the legitimate sources for software are and how to do as many checks as possible before installing anything. I've run Windows XP alongside Linux for years, for about 5 years now I went totally legitimate in the software that I use (I gave up with cracks and warez, I use Open Source programs and legitimately licensed and paid-for software) and I've not seen a piece of malware or virus in years - and that's running freebie virus checkers and anti-malware programs.

    6. I've not used Vista or Windows 7 because I've found no good reason to - but as I understand it, in Windows 7 Microsoft have put in much better layered security that takes into account people who don't know what they're doing and, as a result, it's having a positive effect on reducing malware spread on Windows 7. Yet at the same time, Apple leaves a ridiculous amount of unpatched flaws (especially in that Safari garbage) on their systems. The net result is malware creators will ultimately find it easier to target Apple than Microsoft, as Microsoft gets better and better at holding them back. (Nope, I'm not an MS fanboi, I use Linux more than Windows but I tell it like I see it as a security techie in my day job.)

    So stop with the defensive posturing, get your heads out of your assholes and READ THE FUCKING MANUALS like the rest of us do.

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    1. Re:Using A Sledgehammer To Crack A Walnut by LordRobin · · Score: 2

      Just an education to those "happy-go-lucky" fanbois who believe their beloved Macs are somehow immune to malware:

      Why don't you educate unicorns and the tooth fairy while you're at it? The "Mac user who thinks his system is invulnerable" is a fictional creature created by Windows apologists. Mac users don't think their systems are perfectly secure. They just think they're more secure than Windows. And they're right.

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  17. It's s smaller pond by itsdapead · · Score: 5, Informative

    For OSX its the opposite. For every small task that i want to accomplish, i seem to need to pony up. Every small time programmer tries to make a buck with his little program. Nothing wrong with that, but where are the Free/Libre alternatives?

    Well, OS X is still a vastly smaller community than Windows, and I suspect that although Linux (desktop) users outnumber OSX users a disproportionate number of Linux users are also programmers. So its not surprising there's less choice. That also means that the money to be made from true "honesty box" shareware is probably smaller, so developers are more likely to require payment. Also, historically, Mac OS "Classic" developer tools and documentation cost an arm and a leg - of course, since OS X they've been free (or very cheap, for iOS), but the early days may have set community expectation. Finally - I don't think OS X is the easiest platform to develop for (however elegant) and OS X users tend to demand nice GUIs on everything.

    However - its not all bad: First, OS X is Unix: Install "fink" or "macports" and you'll get access to a huge number of Free/Libre packages from the Linux/Unix world - albeit most of these are command-line or X11. If you don't want to roll your own, lots of major "free" projects offer OSX versions: (off the top of my head and at random: LibreOffice, Eclipse, InkScape, VirtualBox, PostgreSQL, MySQL, Mozilla) not to mention the stuff that is already present in OS X (Apache, PHP, Ruby, Python, Samba, CUPS...) I hope the latter list doesn't diminish too much as projects move to GPLv3.

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  18. Re:Now I am _really_ panicked by dimeglio · · Score: 2

    Maybe this part of a strategy to eventually get Macs back into the enterprise.

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  19. Re:Now I am _really_ panicked by XManticore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is something Apple took the piss out of a couple years back, why would they start doing it with their own products?

    To paraphrase SJ when he was introducing Mac OS 10.whateveritwas: "We have a Basic Edition that retails at $99. Moving up from that, you can purchase the Home Edition, also for $99, or the Business Edition for $99. And if you want the luxury of having all the features that we've built into Mac OS X, you can go all out and purchase the Ultimate Edition –at just $99".

    They're not going to feature lock. This would just be daft.

  20. Re:What ? So android will be apple's lighting rod by arisvega · · Score: 2

    1) hackers, malware makers will not find Apple interesting as they are too busy with android.

    2) Apple's further monopoly on the distribution mechanisms for content and applications, creating an unphantomed money making machine, is their antivirus solution.

    3) ...

    4) Profit!

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  21. Hmmm. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

    I'm not really sure how Apple can lock down their systems without actually crippling them. Sure, the App Store will be there in Lion (it's already there in 10.6), but that doesn't mean you have to use it. Unless, of course, Apple plans on canning access to their development tools, which would be stupid.

    Given that their current strategy is to include most of the facilities one would expect to find on a typical *nix box (of any stripe), that would be a big step to take. Since my use and support for Macs is based on the fact that I happily use a second-hand MacBook (inherited from my wife) that offers nearly all of the functionality of my Linux machines without having to diddle with it, that would be a marketing mistake. I quite like the compactness and reliability of the hardware, but not so much that I will accept being told how I may or may not use it.

  22. Re:Now I am _really_ panicked by DarkXale · · Score: 2

    Not agreeing they may do it - just saying its a trivial thing TO do if Apple does want to. Companies do 180s plenty of times; Apple has made numerous headlines doing so in the past.

  23. Re:Now I am _really_ panicked by Deathlizard · · Score: 2

    To Apple, OS X is dead. Lion is the first push towards killing it.

    From everything I'm seeing so far from Apple, They will be betting on iOS in the future for their OS offerings. It's got a huge userbase, has much more apps available, and has proven to scale very well to large format screens and processors.

    I mean, when's the last time you saw a Steve Jobs E-mail that said "Sent from my iMac" instead of his iPad?

  24. Re:What ? So android will be apple's lighting rod by node+3 · · Score: 2

    This wasn't my contention, it was the so-called "tech writer's". His claim was, in part, that Android would sap away viruses from Mac OS X, because Android outnumbers the Mac. This conveniently ignores the fact that iOS *vastly* outnumbers Android. Yet somehow Android malware vastly outnumbers iOS malware...

    In a strange way it does bolster his argument, but not in a way that flatters Android.

  25. Re:Now I am _really_ panicked by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

    A well functioning app store is not what we object to. We object to the situation Apple has created with the iPhone/iPad/etc. were you are not allowed to install software that is not from the app store.

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