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How Companies Are Using Data From Foursquare

wjousts writes: Technology Review reports on how businesses use data from all those Foursquare check-ins. "Merchants can analyze various metrics over time, including how many check-ins are recorded each day, who the most recent and most frequent visitors are, how visitors who check in break down by gender, and what time of day the most people check in; businesses with multiple locations can aggregate statistics to fit their needs. Foursquare provides the same platform 'for Joe's coffee shop and Starbucks,' says Eric Friedman, Foursquare's director of business development, but companies use the tools and data in different ways, depending on their specific objectives. "

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  1. 'Biased' data by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

    I dont see how any of these metrics are actually useful in business decisions. What percentage of people actually check in, and of those that do, I bet they actually share quite a bit in common.

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    1. Re:'Biased' data by eepok · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This information is great for overwhelming business owners with unsolicited consultant proposals!

      A advertising/marketing/efficiency/etc. consultant can use all those useless measurements, make assertions about their implications, write a fancy lingo-ridden cold-call proposal (synergize your cost potentials!), and get a contract. It's great for (their) business.

    2. Re:'Biased' data by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      This information is great for overwhelming business owners with unsolicited consultant proposals!

      A advertising/marketing/efficiency/etc. consultant can use all those useless measurements, make assertions about their implications, write a fancy lingo-ridden cold-call proposal (synergize your cost potentials!), and get a contract. It's great for (their) business.

      Well, the actual value is in aggregating the data with other information to identify trends that can be applied other within the same socio-econoic demography to extract value from them by offering targeted offerings that trigger desirable pre-defined responses which result beneficial economic transactions to the offerer. By identifying such markers you can maximize the synergies inherent in the cross-functional sharing of data designed to optimize the customer experience and increase the value to the enterprise.

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    3. Re:'Biased' data by wjousts · · Score: 2

      I think this is a very relevant point. Any statistician will tell you that you can't cherry pick your samples of a population if you hope to learn anything about that population. Even if it's your samples themselves that are doing the picking. Much like how online polls are a waste of time.

    4. Re:'Biased' data by eepok · · Score: 1

      Normally, I'd vomit at the sight of so many weasel words, but I saw what you were doing there and appreciate it. ;)

    5. Re:'Biased' data by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      What they probably have in common is that they're your best customers. The ones who like your operation and care enough to engage you with positive feedback and announce to all their friends and family that they're shopping at your store...those kinds of evangelists for your product are worth their weight in gold. Identifying and pandering to the people who like your store the best and will spend the most money at it and bring in the most new people is kind of the holy grail of advertising.

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    6. Re:'Biased' data by stonewallred · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Using your "good" customers to bring in new customers is a winning game, as long as you continue to provide the same level of service.

      I send out and/or drop off cards to my "good" customers at least once or twice a year.

      They are simple business cards with my standard business card on the front and on the back a 20% discount, parts and labor, printed on the back.

      I take the time to write the customer's name I am sending them to on the card. And the letter I include with the card tells them that if they like my service to please give out the card to folks who might need my services.

      And for every card that is turned in, they will get $20 bucks.

      I usually spend around 300-400 bucks a year redeeming those 20 bucks a pop cards.

      And they usually generate me 80-90 bucks gross profit after the 20 buck payout and 20% off per card.

    7. Re:'Biased' data by todrules · · Score: 1

      SOLD!! You got the contract! I don't know what you said, but our business needs it.

    8. Re:'Biased' data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now you know how most people feel reading EFF screeds and RMS missives.

  2. Foursquare Demographics? by JWSmythe · · Score: 2

        That's odd.

        All I've seen of Foursquare is that a limited number of people ever check in from any place that I've spot checked.

        Some of us cheat it anyways. There's a workaround for checking in places that you aren't physically at. So I check in at arbitrary places, preferably at or very close to government facilities that makes the tinfoil hat crowd go nuts. So, following my "trail" shows me being anywhere but where I actually am.

        I'm fond of companies tracking us and selling that information. I'm happier when I've seeded their data with so much false information that it's virtually impossible to guess which is right.

      And it's not that I'm one of the folks wearing a tinfoil hat too tight. I just like privacy. I don't think the government is following me. They already know where to find me. :) It's pesky people like private investigators working for someone trying to make easy money through bogus lawsuits. Go ahead, follow the trail. It's good for dealing with crazy ex-girlfriends too. :)

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    1. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by alen · · Score: 2

      just because someone cares exactly where you check in and when and exactly what you do

      foursquare has a chance at being the new loyalty card where loyal customers get freebies once in a while and a way to measure feedback since people can leave comments. otherwise companies care about general customer demographics and when there are big rushes. so that say starbucks can have the most people on staff when people come into the store. i've seen some starbucks with huge lines at 3pm

    2. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by wjousts · · Score: 1

      But Starbucks could collect that data easily with some kind of electronic counter on the door. And it would be more accurate because it doesn't rely on the small fraction of people who use foursquare that may or may not reflect the greater population.

    3. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Informative

          Check any arbitrary location, and see how many people have checked in there recently. The numbers are generally pretty small.

          Companies already have a perfectly valid method to measure their business. They have their receipts. They know when they sold items, what they sold, how much to stock, and how many people they need working there.

          So there was a line at Starbucks, big deal. They already know how many people that they can have in lines without losing too much business. They look at their costs versus the number of people who may just walk out . If they lose 2 $5 ($10 lost) sales during the 3pm hour, but to handle the load properly they would have needed 3 more people on that shift at $10/hr ($240), it's not advantageous to them to put 3 more people on that shift.

          Business isn't about the customer experience. It's about making money. It's the same reason Disney doesn't mind having lines with an hour wait. They know you want their product, and are willing to stand in line waiting for it.

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    4. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by wjousts · · Score: 1

      Some of us cheat it anyways.

      People will game any system if there is a way to do it. The question is what percentage of the data is junk? If it's a couple of percent, it's probably not a problem. If it's 50%, then it's probably useless.

    5. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by Metrofax · · Score: 1

      "Some of us cheat it anyways. There's a workaround for checking in places that you aren't physically at. So I check in at arbitrary places, preferably at or very close to government facilities that makes the tinfoil hat crowd go nuts. So, following my "trail" shows me being anywhere but where I actually am." That's great, I love it!

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    6. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          It would depend on how you view junk.

          In the right city? I'd say 25% is junk.

          In the actual location? I'd say >50% is junk.

          The people who I've know that use foursquare are frequently bored where they are, so they go looking around for other places to check in. So they pick an arbitrary location nearby that appears to be more interesting than where they really are.

          I just go one up on the junk rating, and check in, in the wrong state or country. As I've told people, it's all disinformation, and usually located near cities that would drive the tinfoil hat crowd nuts. What's the worst that'll happen? They'll think I'm sort of covert government agent. The best is, they'll go looking for me at the wrong place.

          I know I've cost people money looking for me. They shouldn't have tried. When I don't want to be found, I won't be found. When I want to, I'll show up at your door. It's not hard to not be found. Give a trusted friend one of your credit cards, and tell them to buy gas with it at least once a week locally. Ask them to pay you the estimated cost in cash. Give them your cell phone, and tell them to use on a regular basis. Have them email your messages to you, to a dummy email account. Borrow a car from a friend. Pay for all your needs with cash (fuel and food). Buy a pre-paid cell phone with cash in another area. Sleep in the car during the drive, so you won't show up as staying in a hotel. When you get to your safer destination, thank your friend for their assistance. It's pretty hard to identify me by picture. White male, age 25 to 35 years old, average height, average build, wearing nondescript clothes, driving an unknown vehicle, in an unknown area.

          It's not just foursquare that I use. My Google Latitude location is at Ft. Meade at the NSA headquarters. Before that, I left myself in Manhattan. Why? I like New York. :) I miss not going up there as much as I used to. Foursquare has me logged in around Area 51, NSA headquarters, CIA headquarters, NGA headquarters, and even Wild Goose Chase, Australia. That last one was too funny, I couldn't resist. I thought about putting myself in Ketchican, AK, but I thought there wouldn't be enough people who got the joke (Catch, I Can).

          Social networking sites have me registered in all kinds of arbitrary places. According to Facebook, I live at their office, but my current location is close (approx 5 miles) to a relatively obscure federal government emergency operations center.

          How worthwhile is any of that data? Not very. And why do I do it? Well, other than the random PI with a grudge (or a pissy client), It's to avoid all the crazy people out there. There's just too many people in the general population that really should be tucked away safely in a mental facility. Hell, I don't want most of the people on here knowing where I am.

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    7. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by alen · · Score: 1

      and people are always writing tips on foursquare so it's customer feedback as well. and advertising with specials keep bringing people in.

      foursquare along with groupon are really tool for the mom and pop to advertise to a lot of people cheaply. that was the whole promise of the internet 15 years ago

    8. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by drafalski · · Score: 1

      foursquare along with groupon are really tool for the mom and pop to advertise to a lot of people cheaply. that was the whole promise of the internet 15 years ago

      Really? Seems the internet made us different promises. Were mom and pop perhaps running a porn site?

    9. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? From the sound of it, you fall squarely into the "tinfoil hat crowd" yourself. That, or you watch too many bad spy movies.

    10. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Companies already have a perfectly valid method to measure their business. They have their receipts. They know when they sold items, what they sold, how much to stock, and how many people they need working there.

      Try running a business using only those metrics - but make a reservation at your local bankruptcy court first, because you're going to need it. Those metrics don't tell you what brought customers into the store, or why those that left without buying didn't buy, etc... (Just for some very basic examples.)
       

      So there was a line at Starbucks, big deal. They already know how many people that they can have in lines without losing too much business. They look at their costs versus the number of people who may just walk out . If they lose 2 $5 ($10 lost) sales during the 3pm hour, but to handle the load properly they would have needed 3 more people on that shift at $10/hr ($240), it's not advantageous to them to put 3 more people on that shift.

      And then in your very next paragraph, you prove my point. The metrics needed to determine staffing levels go beyond the simple minded ones you posit above.
       

      Business isn't about the customer experience. It's about making money. It's the same reason Disney doesn't mind having lines with an hour wait. They know you want their product, and are willing to stand in line waiting for it.

      Then why does Disney provide the Fast Pass system so people *don't* have to stand in line for an hour? (Hint: Disney understands the value of customer experience, you do not.)

    11. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by wjousts · · Score: 1

      As I've told people, it's all disinformation, and usually located near cities that would drive the tinfoil hat crowd nuts.

      Really? You think anybody actually cares where you are? You need to get over yourself.

    12. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with your post, but that's not why Disney came up with FastPass - though that is why FastPass doesn't work as well as intended. FastPass was designed to get people out of lines and into stores, with a one-hour time window to encourage people not to get in line somewhere else. Their devotion to customer experience has prevented them from enforcing the back end of that window, so the procedure is to get your FastPass, get in line for rides without the system somewhere else, get a FastPass over here, go back to the other ride and enjoy it, get in line for rides without, etc. FP was supposed to recover its costs through increased sales in stores, but doesn't do so. I suppose experience is why they haven't ripped it out, however.

    13. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      Well, not really. I worked in the industry that trades that information, and provides it to private investigators, law enforcement, and collections companies. Others provide it to anyone willing to pay. I know what some use for data sources. I still know people involved with those companies. They talk about their data sources, what they can provide to anyone who wants it.

      Have you ever searched for yourself on intelius.com? How about looked at the current value of your house on zillow.com? Maybe searched for someone on zabasearch.com? Where do you think they get their information? Yes, they buy it.

      I've also worked with people who have worked in other business segments of the same industry. For example, one company handles information used by marketing companies. They sell customized lists. You could get every independent car dealership within 100 miles of a particular city. Another company only trades in email lists. The more details with those email addresses the better. Want the email address for everyone in Middletown, Kansas? They'll be happy to provide it? Add to the list from Foursquare would then give you every person residing in the town, *and* those who "check in" there.

      Those companies buy access to the credit reports. Not just hand picked ones, but all of them. They're expensive to buy, but they are out there. Does it show on your credit report? Then it's accessible. Search for "Experian File One" or "TransUnion TUCS file". You're looking at a 7-figure price, plus a whole stack of qualifications, but for the right price, they're more than happy to sell information on every person in the country.

      They also buy lists or access to the lists of anything they can. Some it was perfectly legal, and some not so legal. For example, and unhappy and underpaid employee of a cell company may just happen to copy off the list of subscribers, and sell it for tens of thousands of dollars. Some random hacker gets a dump of the Sony database. They may not be in it for the credit card numbers. They may have wanted a verified list of names, addresses, phone numbers, and credit card numbers. The card numbers will stop working pretty quickly if they attempt to use them. The rest of the information is worth a fortune. How big was that data breech again? Oh ya, only 100 million users. That'll have a nice price tag on it when it goes to market. Of course, it will be filtered to remove seeds, and handed through so many people, it'd be easier to find the Holy Grail than the source.

      If there is information available online, no matter how tedious it is to click through the forms, they have programs diligently pulling down ever bit they can. You can't guess every name on Facebook, but you can crawl through it pretty quickly. How hard would be be to write a script to request (through various anonymous proxies, with changing USER_AGENT strings):

      https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1
      through
      https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=2100000000

      It'd take a while to run through 2,100,000,000 pages (that's the upper limit I found by changing the id number by hand, without redirecting automatically back to the front page). That's if you have one computer doing them one at a time. How about 100 servers with 100 crawler processes each? 210,000 seconds, or 2.43 days. It may seem like a lot of horsepower to do it, but it's very profitable if even a small percentage have their profiles open for anyone to see.

      But what about Foursquare, since that was the topic?

      https://foursquare.com/user/1
      through

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    14. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          I just replied to the AC that posted before you. Go up and read that. Maybe you'll understand. I would have said people were crazy for believing it. Once I worked with different aspects of the industry for a while, I realized how much is collected and sold. I really rather seed my true identity with so much disinformation that anyone trying to use it can't figure me out. Well, unless I live in Los Angeles, New York, Miami, ReykjavÃk, Berlin, and Moscow all at the same time. One of these days I'll have to throw together a randomize to pick major cities and suburbs to use online. Until then, I just pick one from the cities I know. :)

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    15. Re:Foursquare Demographics? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      Try running a business using only those metrics - but make a reservation at your local bankruptcy court first, because you're going to need it. Those metrics don't tell you what brought customers into the store, or why those that left without buying didn't buy, etc... (Just for some very basic examples.)

      Have you actually looked at FourSquare, or do you just live in a delusional world?

      Have a look for Starbucks in New York.

      The one with the most check-ins is "72 Spring St at Crosby St New York, NY 10012". 7,813 check-ins. From From August 2 2010 to March 15, 2011, there were 38 comments.

      I'd be willing to bet that they serve well over 10,000 customers/month. In the roughly 5 months period (say 50,000 customers) 38 customers left feedback. That's a sample of 0.076% of the customers.

      But, lets have a look at the comments on there. I'll hand pick a few for you.

      Bobby B. Check out Bobby Berk Home two doors South on Crosby.

      Todd B. Great place to take a piss

      Hannah S. unlock the starbucks 40th badge here

      Alex F. Alex Frecon was here. And it was good.

      Jo J. American runs on Star buck lol

      Hafiz J. letih, minum2 jap...

      Bruno J. Gossip Girl

      Richado T. #turnred pls gv me sime badge here..how? tell me..

      Gilang F. oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii...!! drink in hereee

      Erick P. blah blah blah dough

      Gilang F. ternyata sama aja rasanya.!!orang kopinya juga eksport dr lampung.wakakakak

      (translation: turns out it's just wrote.!! people also export coffee dr lampung.wakakakak)

      Caitlin F. If you are a woman, regardless of age, beware of "hugh"..he will call you ma'am

      Wow, the feedback is amazingly useful. We've learned that 31.6% of Starbucks customers leave absolutely worthless feedback. Extrapolate that out to the estimated customer base, and now you know that there are 15,800 customers you can't expect useful answers from.

      Or more precisely... The sample set is too small for any useful purpose.

      And then in your very next paragraph, you prove my point. The metrics needed to determine staffing levels go beyond the simple minded ones you posit above.

      No, I said a business must be run by a business person, who can identify their trends in their market. It may mean wearing plain clothes, sitting somewhere in the dining area and listening to conversations. It may mean asking random people how they liked their experience. Getting just 1 personal feedback per hour (assuming a 8 hour day) gives you over 1,600 data points to work with. Working with the useless data points (unless you want to take a piss, and blah blah blah) is more likely to ruin your company.

      But who am I to guess. With what I found online about you, you're obviously the business genius. Well, when you aren't vacuuming the soap suds out of your washer.

      Then why does Disney provide the Fast Pass system so people *don't* have to stand in line for an hour? (Hint: Disney understands the value of customer experience, you do not.)

      Actually, Disney realizes they can herd people better. Before that, anyone who wanted to skip the lines would rent a wheelchair for one person in their party, and then everyone with them goes to the front of the line. Then you'd have backed up lines with people of questionabl

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  3. My take on these types of services by mfh · · Score: 1

    This kind of thing is vulnerable to liars. You think anyone is going to check in at McDonald's? Or XXX-movie mart? What about the movies when the person is supposed to be at work?

    The whole thing is a sham that will promote businesses where people would want others to think they are, instead of businesses where people REALLY are.

    CHECKING IN AT THE WHOREHOUSE!

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    1. Re:My take on these types of services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? My twitter feed has me currently set to "whacking off to angry asian lesbian porn". If we do not get the word out they might not make more.

    2. Re:My take on these types of services by mfh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your anonymity here proves my previous assertions and derails your own.

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  4. I want more FourSquare data by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    As a user I could see some real interesting uses for the data.
    It would be nice if you could see which clubs and restaurants are getting the most check ins. You would know the hot spots. Even better would be knowing when they are getting the check ins. Maybe you could see when that restaurant you want to try has the least check ins so you get the wait the least amount of time.
    Age data would be cool as well. If a place is loaded with people that are younger or older then you are you may want to avoid that as well.
    That is where foursquare I think is falling down a bit. Discovery tools.

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    1. Re:I want more FourSquare data by vlm · · Score: 1

      It would be nice if you could see which clubs and restaurants are getting the most check ins. You would know the hot spots. .... That is where foursquare I think is falling down a bit. Discovery tools.

      You meant to write, foursquare is missing out on selling business owners on fake checkins to boost their popularity.

      So you find the "hottest new club" in the city on foursquare, go there, and theres no one there all night but two homeless alkies.

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    2. Re:I want more FourSquare data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could possibly do all of that with their API, maybe it's just not in their business plan.

    3. Re:I want more FourSquare data by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      That would be really easy to check and it would get around really fast. Yea it could be done and it already happens a lot on review sites.

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  5. CRM - so what? by callmehank · · Score: 0

    Really, the future trend in marketing will be VRM, not CRM.

  6. And it's dying.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Over the past 3 months I have seen a dramatic drop off of Foursquare use. I have about 60 friends that all use it and it has went from a furious competition to only about 4 that actually still use it. In fact I have not checked into anyplace for over a week. It's too much of a bother. Plus any rewards for using it are near invisible. Most of the time you check in AFTER you have ordered so you see the special you now cant use.

    They need a major revamping like cache all my places so I dont have to wait for 2 minutes for it to find my location and then pull the location list.

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    1. Re:And it's dying.... by cpu6502 · · Score: 0

      Anonymous Coward wrote:

      And despite the changes in FourSquare, your grammar is still that of a semi-literate uneducated idiot.

      Why is User AC so frequently rude??? The guy made a simple mistake (went should be gone). That's all. You bitching about that error is as silly as bitching about tihs typo.

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    2. Re:And it's dying.... by wjousts · · Score: 1

      Most of the time you check in AFTER you have ordered so you see the special you now cant use.

      Is that kinda your fault? Not disagreeing with you, I've never used Foursquare myself and it might well be true that the novelty has worn off.

  7. There remains questions... by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think the biggest question is economic class. Sure, this works for Starbucks because Starbucks is a higher end retailer who's users are tech savvy. But this does nothing for Family Dollar who's users are all over the gambit. This means, then, that you can only poll a certain section of the populous, whereas, using instore data makes more since for most businesses which captures 100% of data, rather than a subset (bothers to check in) or a subset (uses Foursquare) or a subset (owns a smartphone).

    The other problem is time is automatically skewed. People running to the store late night to pick up toilet paper are unlikely to check in, especially on a weekday. But those trying out a new steakhouse on a Saturday afternoon are more likely to check in. So the time data is naturally skewed to recreational times.

    While I applaud this as a way to see when advertising deals on social networks may best impact your business, this by no means will help you determine if you need to make sure your toilet paper is fully stocked at 3am.

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    1. Re:There remains questions... by Warlord88 · · Score: 1

      Why do you assume they have not taken these problems/limitations into account?

    2. Re:There remains questions... by swanzilla · · Score: 1

      Cross reference Facebook

      People running to the store late night to pick up toilet paper are unlikely to check in, especially on a weekday.

      That is exactly the inane garbage that people seem to post ad nauseum. Problem solved

    3. Re:There remains questions... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      The other problem is time is automatically skewed. People running to the [Family Dollar] store late night to pick up toilet paper are unlikely to check in, especially on a weekday. But those trying out a new steakhouse on a Saturday afternoon are more likely to check in. So the time data is naturally skewed to recreational times.

      Well, duh. Who do you think is more interested in the data? Family Dollar whose business model is based on moving product in bulk with rapid turnover? Or New Steakhouse who is interested in drawing a higher income crowd during dining hours?
       

      While I applaud this as a way to see when advertising deals on social networks may best impact your business, this by no means will help you determine if you need to make sure your toilet paper is fully stocked at 3am.

      Which is pretty much unsurprising, because it isn't *meant* to help you determine if you need to make sure your toilet paper is fully stocked at 3am.
       
      Seriously, your objections are like objecting to a fork because it won't hold your soup. Different businesses use different tools for different goals.

    4. Re:There remains questions... by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, my basic objection stands. How is this better than using in-store data? Even at best, it can't correlate foot traffic with actual purposes because foursquare doesn't collect purchase data except when a deal is used. And check-ins being so narrowly defined can't even estimate foot traffic.

      If 20 people check in to Foot Locker, what does that mean for actual foot traffic? How is that correlated with an ad campaign.

      Considering that as part of my job for a company that sells ad campaigns (of which I'm the network administrator, so I'm in on the IT discussions to do with digital sales) in this field and the use of QR Codes for real sales/traffic/ad statistics, I fail to see how Foursquare statistics are useful for anything except for promoting Foursquare usage by customers or for specifically targeting the Foursquare using demographic. That's not very useful, impo.

      If I put a QR code on a coupon which is mailed out and scanned by McDonalds, I'll blow Foursquare out of the water with data. 1) I can hit every demographic with a mailing address. 2) I can measure the success of the ad campaign because, unlike Foursquare, I can embed the QR code on anything, even allowing cashiers to scan one for customers who did not receive the mailing. and 3) I can tie in online sales as well. That's useful and companies will pay my company significantly to do this for them.

      On the other hand, at this moment, I don't believe we could sell a "Foursquare" campaign to anybody but say... a rock concert. And even then, the push would be for the use of codes on tickets. Foursquare wouldn't even really be an enhancement.

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    5. Re:There remains questions... by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

      The TP section needs a "Like" button. ;)

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    6. Re:There remains questions... by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 0

      For the same reason I don't assume there is a God. I'd rather see evidence of the existence of statistical methodology in place, vetted by other statisticians, before assuming that it exists and works.

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    7. Re:There remains questions... by Warlord88 · · Score: 1

      If I were writing algorithms and implementing statistical methodologies that you mention, I wouldn't let anyone know about it..

  8. I concur by mfh · · Score: 1

    You hit the nail on the head!

    Consultants looooove these kinds of metrics because they can spend a half-hour with a customer bombing them with intelligent-looking numbers and then go have lunch. At no point during this exchange will anything business related have transpired, apart from the consultant's bill.

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  9. home check-ins by afex · · Score: 1

    can we all agree that we hate anyone that checks in at their house and/or workplace?

    i have two criteria for checkins - either restaurants/bars/clubs or unique stuff (landmarks and stuff) - anything else and i just don't see the use.

    1. Re:home check-ins by wjousts · · Score: 1

      Ah, but if you don't check in at home, how do the burglars know that it's time to make a quick exit out the back window?

    2. Re:home check-ins by maxume · · Score: 1

      No. I don't hate them. I care approximately as much about those "check ins" as I do about all the rest of the "check ins".

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    3. Re:home check-ins by afex · · Score: 1

      i've never understood this attitude....why do you have 4square if you don't care?!

      (and if you're seeing the crossposts on facebook, why have you not hidden all checkins yet? its 2-clicks away, not even in a menu...)

    4. Re:home check-ins by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 1

      What is Facebook?

      Foursquare is worthless spam I could do without. Unfortunately the only option on Buzz is to completely block all Twitter posts from a user, which would essentially mean unfollowing three of my friends. It's an option I'm seriously considering, however.

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    5. Re:home check-ins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha, foursquare is spam and twitter is not? yeesh...

      may as well go to a baseball game and complain about all the foul balls - after all, you only want to see base hits!

    6. Re:home check-ins by maxume · · Score: 1

      I don't have Foursquare.

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  10. Boring... by matthew_t_west · · Score: 1

    Not too much different than credit card data... except you don't always spend money when you check in somewhere with Foursquare. So it's like the spam of data harvesting... I bet the hit rate for usable information is really really weak.

    M

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  11. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's foursquare?

    1. Re:huh? by Danieljury3 · · Score: 1
  12. Silly by DogDude · · Score: 1

    Foursquare is a silly game. The number of people who use it are so trivial, that it really doesn't provide any useful data. On top of that, only the most techie geek people use it. Most people do not walk around with pants computers out when they're walking into restaurants/retail establishments.

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    1. Re:Silly by afex · · Score: 1

      i've actually been shocked by how many users there are. even where i live (MKE, WI) i went out a few nights ago and there were 15 people checked in at a restaurant that holds maybe 50 people max. i'll agree with you that its still not even close to a fraction of a percent of the general populous, but its not like i'm in the bay area or NY - this is the frickin midwest for gods sake!

    2. Re:Silly by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      I consider myself one of the "techie" people and I don't use it. And none of my colleagues use it (nor have used it). Foursquare was a "fad" by all measures, and not a very successful one at that. My friends already know where I am, and so do the stores / establishments I frequent via receipts. The information is mostly redundant self-centered ego boost.

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    3. Re:Silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that the "game" part of foursquare is silly, however I've found foursquare quite useful when traveling. It's really nice when you are in a new city to open up foursquare and see what restaurants/bars/clubs near you are trending. This is a much easier way to find something to do then digging through google maps or some review site online. And some of the tips left can be gems, especially when you're looking for specials. Besides all that, I use it to keep track of where I have been. I don't bother following anyone else or having anyone else follow me, but when I return to a city, instead of trying to remember the name of that great restaurant I went to, I have a list of places I've checked in before and can find it quickly.

  13. Re:Spend, spend, spend by wjousts · · Score: 1

    There is an uncomfortable line between getting people to spend money that they were going to spend anyway on your product rather than somebody else's and getting people to spend money they don't have. Unfortunately, I don't think most businesses care about that distinction. In fact, it seems like most consumers don't care either.

  14. It's not dying... by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

    It is not dying, it just reached IPO time.

  15. Technology Review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    printed paid content - and /. falls for it.

  16. FourSquare inaccuracy... by n5yat · · Score: 1

    Given how inaccurate I've found FourSquare to be (I can be standing 6 feet from a store, and it can't find it... and when I search by name, I find oodles of variations of the name because people can't spell. Maybe it's Tonys, maybe it's Tony's, maybe it's Tony's Pizza, maybe it's Tony's Pizzeria, maybe it's Tonys Pizza Place, etc...) I don't see how the data collected could ever be very useful...

  17. Re:It is VERY VERY Accurate! by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    ...if your target metric is trendoid self-absorbed hipsters.

    No kidding... shortly after I first heard about FourSquare and realised that it *hadn't* actually been made up by The Onion, the first thing I thought was "that's... *very* Nathan Barley".

    Pecantically, it's more like a slightly smarter version of Nathan Barley from the early-2000s grew up a bit (without becoming any more likeable) and decided to make some money by exploiting today's early-twentysomething, wannabe narcissistic tossers, i.e. the Nathan Barley: The Next Generations.

    Barf.

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  18. on not quitting foursquare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've come close to quitting several times, it just feels kind of pointless usually - but then last night I checked in someplace and a friend I hadn't seen in nearly a year also checked in. Realizing we were both there we hung out and had an awesome night, our girlfriends had never met and they both seemed to really hit it off, and we invited each other to some upcoming events we mutually share interests in but one or the other of us hadn't known of. Considering how crowded the place was I doubt we would of run into each other had it not been for foursquare. It was a cool experience and has made me reconsider the utility of foursquare.