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US Senate Committee Passes PROTECT IP Act

angry tapir writes "A US Senate committee has unanimously approved a controversial bill that would allow the US Department of Justice to seek court orders requiring search engines and Internet service providers to stop sending traffic to websites accused of infringing copyright."

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  1. Instead of complaints, we need answers by countertrolling · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) How do we route around this damage?

    2) How do we protect our natural rights from a majority that votes them away?

    Let's stop focusing on the distractions of greed and corruption and the psychopaths in positions of power and get to finding real solutions to render all of that irrelevant.

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    1. Re:Instead of complaints, we need answers by beringreenbear · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Rules say that the only thing you can do is to ceaselessly lobby your Senator and get your friends, relatives, and that weird guy who asks you for change for a dollar every time you go into Dunkin' Donuts to do the same.

      See my comment below, as the damage has been halted by the same person that halted a similar bill last year, a Senator from Oregon. The only way to stop this is the raise money to buy off enough Senators to keep the bill stopped.

    2. Re:Instead of complaints, we need answers by lxs · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bye bye Google, hello search engines based outside of the US.

    3. Re:Instead of complaints, we need answers by The+Moof · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1) How do we route around this damage?

      The same way we always have: proxies, tor, etc.

      2) How do we protect our natural rights from a majority that votes them away?

      That's the multimillion dollar question. Quite literally, since you need a huge amount of money to either lobby your representatives, or run against them. Otherwise, they just send you a nice boilerplate response letter to any of your inquiries, concerns, and so on.

    4. Re:Instead of complaints, we need answers by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Informative

      1) How do we route around this damage?

      Although it's been some time since I last looked at the project, Freenet still seems like a good bet.

    5. Re:Instead of complaints, we need answers by soupforare · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Clearly the actions of a "Lone Wolf," that needs to be investigated.

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    6. Re:Instead of complaints, we need answers by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Voting libertarian is not the answer. The libertarian party is only an experiment by the owning class to use the desire for freedom to disenfranchise the masses for personal gain. Government needs a certain amount of strength to protect people from economic predation and the return to a class based society where most people are virtual or actual slaves.

      There are no parties that actually represent the people and seek to empower their freedom. We need a party that believes in personal liberty but also promotes policy to the benefit of the people instead of corporate entities that serve as the proxies of power for the elite ruling class. Democrats fail. Libertarians fail. Republicans OMG WTF fail. Greens fail just as hard as republicans, but in a different direction.

  2. Fear Not, Citizens of The Free World! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unlike the Nefarious 'Great Firewall of China', a hated symbol of communist repression, the "PROTECT-IP" act will be entirely in English, and promises to be a tool of crony-capitalist repression!

    1. Re:Fear Not, Citizens of The Free World! by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apples and Oranges. In China the government decides who gets blocked. In the U.S., the government AND the corporations will decide.

      So see, that's a lot better...right?

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    2. Re:Fear Not, Citizens of The Free World! by pipatron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, in China, the government owns the corporations. In the US it's the other way around.

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  3. Bill Stuck In Senate Plumbing by beringreenbear · · Score: 5, Informative

    The damage has been halted for now. Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon put a hold on the bill, meaning that the Senate leadership is on notice that he will filibusterer it if the bill moves to full debate and vote.

    1. Re:Bill Stuck In Senate Plumbing by lennier1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      A politician who acts based on common sense???

      I get the feeling this 2012 armageddon stuff isn't completely bogus after all.

    2. Re:Bill Stuck In Senate Plumbing by CriminalNerd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sadly, it'll probably just get paperclipped with a budget-related bill to bypass the filibuster like they did with the Patriot Act extensions.

      It'd be nice if the rest of the Senate decides that it's actually a terrible bill and vote to kill it.

    3. Re:Bill Stuck In Senate Plumbing by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd love to see this happen. It would force real compromise and talks. You couldn't buy votes with promises to send some $$$ to the senator/representative's district via a rider. (Thus, less pork.) You also couldn't try to torpedo a bill by adding an unreasonable rider that you know nobody would vote for. Instead, you would need to craft a bill that enough people would vote for. You would need to work *WITH* the minority and the excesses of each party could be counter-balanced.

      If we can't do this, I'd at least like to see the President have the ability to line item veto things. So he could approve Very-Important-Spending-Bill without approving Rider-That-Restricts-Freedom-Of-Speech. To provide counterbalance, the vetoed riders could be individually voted on by Congress to override the line item veto. (Of course, if the rider has that much support, it should be its own bill, not a rider.)

      Of course, none of this will ever happen because it would actually reduce Congress' power. No longer would they be able to funnel money to their districts by holding their votes for ransom and no longer would they be able to just stick any old text to a bill and have it pass because the bill *HAD* to be approved.

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    4. Re:Bill Stuck In Senate Plumbing by jdfox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wyden has also publicly criticized what he calls the US government's secret interpretation of the "Patriot Act".

    5. Re:Bill Stuck In Senate Plumbing by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Which is why I would like to introduce a bill with no provisions, which would make it illegal to piggyback bills. They are what they are, take it or leave it. No? Next subject.

      If anyone needs me, I'll be hanging out in my own utopia.

      Interesting historical fact: Section 9 of the Confederate States Constitutionincluded exactly such a provision:

      Every law or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title.

      Personally, I'd also like to see something requiring that each new law or regulation passed for a period of 12 years require that two laws be repealed. That would perhaps clear out some of the old cruft...

  4. Goodbye thepiratebay.org by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've said for a long time that a U.S. great firewall was coming. I'm frankly just surprised it took so long. Sadly, this will now begin a big chase game of "change our IP" "IP blocked, change it again" for all the torrent/controversial sites that the government doesn't like. No more typing "wikileaks.org" into our browsers' URL field. Now we have to find a (hopefully) updated IP address from some site that will probably itself be blocked shortly after it starts offering a list.

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    1. Re:Goodbye thepiratebay.org by lennier1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's a reason why we have addons like https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mafiaafire-redirector/ to automate that process.

    2. Re:Goodbye thepiratebay.org by johanw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This may also explain why Google and Mozilla plan on removing the browser URL field. It prevents more people from being able to go anywhere where the mighty Google or it's countries junta doesn's point us to.

    3. Re:Goodbye thepiratebay.org by forand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Interesting? Really? The changes to Chrome's UI do remove the URL bar but do not remove the URL field. When the user highlights the tab they see the URL field, when they don't they get more screen real estate for content. By and large this is a great UI design change. I don't need to see the huge URL telling me Nth directory the site I am visiting stores their HTML in (look at Slashdot do you type in the link to this story?). But good on you for making it sound like some nefarious plan between Google and oppressive regimes to not let people browse to non approved sites, don't let reality stand in your way.

  5. Guilty without trial by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The sites merely have to be ACCUSED of being copyright infringers. Remember when Homeland Security yanked thousands of websites off the net, including several that were merely personal blogs or news sites?

    This is no good. We have courts for a reason - to protect the citizenry from overzealous leaders assuming guilt and enacting punishment against innocent persons.

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  6. the internet and the govt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The internet was better off before the legal and judicial systems were even aware of it.

    The boffins at DARPA came up with it, and for decades, all was well - from the 70's up until the mid 90's at least. It succeeded beyond anyone's wildest dreams *because* no one was in control of it. It was an anarchy. If you don't want to see something, don't look, and if you do, then do.

    It will die in practice because of people who, for one reason or another, think they have the right to tell other people what they can and cannot do.

  7. Re:NOT the PATRIOT act by countertrolling · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not really.. Both are grievous offenses against our rights, just in different areas. Resistance to both, and all the others that are on the books are equally important. The idea is to fight infringement by the authorities and make them ineffective.

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  8. Upgrade network infrastructure by Gannimo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, this calls for decentralized DNS and some tor like network overlay...

  9. Prohibition by KillaGouge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does the government not remember how well prohibition went? Have they not learned that by making something illegal they are only going to push more people to to figure out ways around it.

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    1. Re:Prohibition by denis-The-menace · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It worked so well for drugs they decided to try it on personal freedom that you now get groped and you can't say shit.

      This goes after online communications.

      Soon they will be tapping every phone and steaming open every letter and parcel.

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    2. Re:Prohibition by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Does the government not remember how well prohibition went?

      Went? We still have loads of it. And it's working exactly as designed... it keeps those privatized prisons for profit stuffed.

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  10. Possible missuse by currently_awake · · Score: 3, Informative

    So if I hack the republicans website to host copyrighted material then the entire republican party gets banned from the internet?

  11. Only accused??? by Grand+Facade · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What happened to innocent til proven guilty?

    Who will be doing the accusing?

    No I did not read the article, but this is a fair reaction to the OP

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  12. Re:Rubber stamp by scharkalvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It should require MORE than a court order. It should require a conviction in the traffic of copyrighted material in violation of the copyright act before a site can be black listed. Being accused of such should NOT be enough.

  13. Official answer: thoughtcrime by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Under DMCA, freenet and tor are probably "circumvention devices". So you are guilty of wanting free speech.

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  14. Re:Funny by lennier1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sponsored by the Ministry of Truth (tm).

  15. Not a problem by troll+-1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The bill would create a list of blocked Internet sites, added Ed Black, president and CEO of the Computer and Communications Industry Association, a tech trade group.

    . Users who want content will find a way around this. There's already a firefox add-on to circumvent Department of Homeland Security seized domains like torrent-finder.com. Thanks to Streisand effect of government domain seizures I found some great torrent sites I never before knew existed.

  16. The Invisible Internet Project is running by Burz · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.geti2p.net/

    I've been using it for over a year and it works very well. It has email, web sites, bittorrent, and emule among other things (they are working on bitcoin too). Your public key is the same as your address, and routing is highly decentralized (everyone internally routes for the network by default) so even blocking people by IP or their key address is not really possible.

  17. Search engine over HTTPS without logs of any kind by thijsh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Search engine over HTTPS without logs of any kind (like Duckduckgo). This way they can't prove the search engine sent the user to the "worst of the worst" site... You still need alternate DNS and/or proxy/VPN to get to the site, but at least sites can still be found with search engines.

    What surprises me here is that they want to block the "worst of the worst" and they haven't even mentioned the tired old kiddie porn angle... that is certainly worse than anything! The only way they could surprise me more is by being so honest as naming the future targets: all sites opposing corporations in any way and all sites that spread generic 'anti-american' messages (a.k.a. terrorists). Wikileaks will be one of the first of the sites we know that will be blocked like this... all such sites after that will not even be known to anyone when they are blocked, not listed in searches and not mentioned in media.

    Doubleplus goodmove Minitrue!!!

  18. Protecting IP is like protecting Oil by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here is what we have seen of the oil industry. We have seen the oil industry defended, protected, supported and subsidized in every way imaginable (including militarily) by the US government. We have known for a very long time that world oil supplies are not limitless and that the demand for it is still rising and the price of it is also ratcheting upwards. Although the efforts for alternatives to oil and other fossil fuels are only now seemingly becoming more aggressive (I'm not yet convinced that there is any effort that I would call a serious commitment on the part of the government) it is generally agreed that it is long over due and most would even say it is too late in coming as many actions have resulted in directly or indirectly suppressing any competing technologies to the use of fossil fuels for energy.

    But the US recognizes that in a fairly short time [* in relative terms], the oil business will be dead. But how is this like intellectual property?

    The US's shift in production economy has been shifting from agriculture to manufacturing to services and now to intellectual property. The US was a leader in each of these things in their day and over time, all of these have been reduced, minimalized and concentrated in ways that make these activities profitable for only a small group of companies and individuals where many of these things are actually sent over-seas. Intellectual property is just about the last thing the US has to export and in order to maintain its profitability, we have to ensure that all other world players honor our IP by adopting laws and policies which support the US desire to remain dominant.

    Over the years, we have witnessed all sorts of measures and activities pushed by the US such as the DMCA, copyright police proposals, pressuring [bullying] other countries into creating draconian law [which doesn't yet exist here in the US because it would be amazingly unpopular] and even influencing other nations into violating their own laws and procedures to satisfy the agenda of the IP business interests here in the U.S. (You know, like the illegal seizure and take down of the piratebay.)

    I expect to see much worse in the near future INCLUDING military action. Sure, it's hard to justify military action for copying music, music and more, but it's not hard to imagine... you know "funding terrorism," "being run by terrorists," or even "harboring known terrorists" as cause for sending in a SEAL team or something like that. But what is "wrong" with this?

    Turns out that media wants to be free and increasingly, we are seeing independent artists and groups pushing their way to the front lines of popularity thanks to emerging technologies and media. This is resulting in "old media" and other IP industry struggling for ways to compete and they are resorting to bribing... err, I mean, influencing government into defending, protecting, supporting and subsidizing their business models in every way imaginable. In the end, it is easy to see how and why "old media" and other IP industry are going away and their their days are numbered. But since the rest of the US has essentially been sold out, it is the second to the last massive resource the US has going for it.

    Yes, I said "second to the last." What's that last? In case you didn't guess, it's PEOPLE. Already we have seen massive privatization of the prison industry. It's not widely spoken of or even cared about because "criminals are bad people" and we don't care about them right? In these privatized prisons, there are massive labor and services being performed by prisoners at wages below "minimum wage" and under conditions which rival the sweatshops of the 18th and 19th century. And with the massive criminalization of just about everything imaginable, it's easy to see what's coming and for whom it comes... the non-citizens, ex-citizens and non-voting-felons of the US... a class of people which is accelerating and growing in ways that are simply being ignored by the media and others at the moment.

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  19. The best parts by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The best parts of the bill seem to be subsections d and e of the bill. (IANAL and encourage correction or confirmation of my interpretation) :
    • No matter what harm is caused in pursuing action under this legislation, the companies and individuals initiating the action are completely immune from suit. So damages cannot be recovered (possibly even if it's later proven that the original action was erroneous.)
    • Section e: Unlike DMCA, there is no defense permitted prior to compliance. The site first must be taken offline, then and only then can the owner/registrar/operator file to modify/suspend/vacate the order. No provision is made for the timeliness of any related follow up, so it could get stuck in the court system for as long as any other request.

    We can all sit and complain about it here, or we can contact the offices of our senators; and try to spread the word for others to do the same. (No, e-petitions don't count and form letters seem rarely to be effective. Take five minutes and at least compose an original email.) If you want this to get some more mainstream coverage that's in your power too - you will find that "letters to the editor" of your local newspaper still has a surprisingly high readership.