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Fetus Don't Fail Me Now: How Scientists Raise Children

An anonymous reader writes "In the latest column from scientist, humor columnist, and stand-up comedian Adam Ruben, he examines his own umbilicus and considers how being a scientist will affect his approach to raising his only slightly post-fetal child. From the article: 'I don't know how other prospective fathers treat their wives' pregnancies, but I saw it as a science project. It had a protocol, parameters, a timeline, and even the one item that makes funding agencies happy: a deliverable. I found myself poking at my wife's abdomen, asking, "Who's Daddy's little gestating blastocyst? Who's recapitulating phylogeny?"'"

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  1. Sometimes not at all. by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

    Data show that having children decreases happiness. They also eat a lot of your time (which could be better spent doing science) and they're extremely expensive (scientists don't get paid that much). Knowing this, why would anyone who respects data have children?

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    1. Re:Sometimes not at all. by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Informative

      Knowing this, why would anyone who respects data have children?

      Genital arousal combined with absence of contraceptives.

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    2. Re:Sometimes not at all. by LS1+Brains · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All I can say, is "they're doing it wrong." If a child doesn't increase your happiness, you either had the child at the wrong point in your life, you weren't prepared for the supposed negative aspects, you have spousal issues, etc. Sure, there's a lot of things that can drag a parent down that aren't the direct effect of the child him/herself. I've read the studies, they say parents THINK they're happier when in fact they're not? Sounds like the incoherent ramblings of someone with some pretty hefty baggage from their own youth.

      Take one look at any proud parent beaming when their child marks another achievement. Take one look at any parent boasting about how their child is so smart because they accomplished some task at an early age. Take one look at any parent when they arrive home from work, and walk through the door to be greeting with tiny feet and open arms. Take a look at all the videos parents post on YouTube!

      If anyone could think those parents aren't happy, I can't imagine what those folks think would improve a parent's happiness.

    3. Re:Sometimes not at all. by gknoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Amen to that. I'm tired all the time, my spare time is shot to hell. I can't schedule video game time reliably anymore, and travel is Highly Inconvenient. The house is a mess and I'm always stressed. All of that is worth it when my kid gives me a big squeezy hug, and watching my kid's joy unfold is pure magic.

    4. Re:Sometimes not at all. by Hatta · · Score: 2

      I don't think it's cromulent to say that genes "deserve" anything.

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    5. Re:Sometimes not at all. by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've read the studies, they say parents THINK they're happier when in fact they're not?

      Yes, self deception is a common coping strategy.

      Take one look at any proud parent beaming when their child marks another achievement

      Sure, if you only look at the positive moments. The net balance swings towards the negative. Parents don't see it because of choice supportive bias.

      If anyone could think those parents aren't happy, I can't imagine what those folks think would improve a parent's happiness

      Some free time and a good nights sleep.

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    6. Re:Sometimes not at all. by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. I can have the shittiest day ever, and when I walk in the door and my kid runs up to me excited to see me saying 'Dad! Dad! Dad!' everything else disappears.

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    7. Re:Sometimes not at all. by LS1+Brains · · Score: 2

      Yes, self deception is a common coping strategy.

      Looking at my own life as a parent, I have yet to feel like I'm coping. Rather, I find myself looking forward to the next opportunity to spend with my family. Judging by their reactions when I walk through that door, they apparently suffer the same coping strategy as I do.

      Sure, if you only look at the positive moments. The net balance swings towards the negative. Parents don't see it because of choice supportive bias.

      The "negative" moments are no more troubling than those elsewhere in life. Heck, a lot of those negatives are a great source of amusement for my wife and I, and they make for some absolutely adorable photos. Work issues have been much more of a chore than child rearing, and I feel my job is quite productive, in a nice laid back atmosphere. The net balance is FAR greater in the positive, than the negative for both work and family life. Maybe I'm coping... But damn if I don't have fun doing it.

      Some free time and a good nights sleep.

      The kids sleep fine, so I sleep as much as I want. I have plenty of free time, I just choose to spend it with friends AND family. Our children are active participants in our daily lives, not burdensome tethers. That may be the key for folks who think like you though, and again refers back to my original comment - if you're not ready, you're not ready. For those "adult" things you don't take your kids to (loud concerts, romantic evenings, etc) the kids LOVE spending the night/weekend with the grandparents.

      Put simply, if you feel you screwed up your life and regret your choices, it doesn't mean everyone else did.

    8. Re:Sometimes not at all. by linuxwolf69 · · Score: 2
      Not getting a good nights sleep is typically only in the first few months, or year. I have no problem with getting a good nights sleep because of my 9 and 12 year olds. Even when my wife has another child, I don't think I'll be missing much sleep due to her refusal to allow me to get up in the middle of the night to take care of the baby. Even if she does want me to get up, I did that for 2 kids before. It was a pleasure then, and will be a pleasure in the future.

      As far as free time, I have a lot of it. I just choose to spend most of it with my kids instead of playing video games. It's more fun to take the kids to the zoo, go bowling, or even just hang out and play Uno than playing a video game by myself.

    9. Re:Sometimes not at all. by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Funny

      Catastrophic failure of personal protective equipment. ("Wow, this feels really great all of a sudden!")
      Inconsistent test methodology. ("Hmm, I feel like I'm forgetting something. Oh well, it'll come to me.")
      Manufacturing defects discovered in product testing. ("You are? That's... amazing. Truly.")
      Unscheduled discharge during preliminary phase of operation. ("Oh shit.")

    10. Re:Sometimes not at all. by gknoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      May I politely request that you teach her to be a twitch, spawn-camping, FPS-dominating polite young lady instead? :-)

  2. If you ever have children, don't make my mistakes. by Jailbrekr · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) You never bug a pregnant, hormonal woman. EVER.
    2) You never refer to fetus as a blastocyst, parasite, or nickname him "blobby"
    3) The only acceptable response is "Yes dear, no dear, I will rub your feet right away dear".
    4) Never tell her that stretch marks are camoflauge to help her hide in the tall grass to escape predators.
    5) In the later stages of pregnancy, when she is immoble, that is not an opportunity to dutch oven or teabag her.
    6) Never refer to pregnant sex as "intercourse and a handjob all in one", otherwise you will not get intercourse OR a handjob.

    Learn from my mistakes young nerdlings. Oh, and if you'er wondering, I'm still married. Why, I know not.

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  3. Re:Murderers. by riverat1 · · Score: 2

    Abortion has been around since before ancient Greece existed. We just use more sophisticated methods now.

  4. It's a vicous cycle! by mrnick · · Score: 2

    while (1){ fork(); ); // Hope derivatives will achieve far more success

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  5. Re:If you ever have children, don't make my mistak by Intropy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Agree with all of the above. When I referred to our "little blastocyst" my wife got upset and chided me for not knowing that by three weeks we most certainly had a gastrula.

  6. Who's recapitulating? by CODiNE · · Score: 2

    Ummm... nobody actually. I'm always amazed to find that people are still taught that and believe it. Haven't they ever heard of DNA? Perhaps his joke went "wooosh". I sure hope he was joking.

    Recapitulation Theory

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  7. Not ammused. by mcmonkey · · Score: 2

    Without RTFA, I guess there isn't much here in terms of humor or science. I mean talk of an experiment with "protocol, parameters, a timeline, and..a deliverable," but no control?

    Weak sauce.

    1. Re:Not ammused. by DudeTheMath · · Score: 2

      An interesting study was done at my alma mater, CWRU, that found that while reading was closely tied to heredity, math ability was influenced by nurture.

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  8. data does not tell the whole story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.ted.com/talks/rufus_griscom_alisa_volkman_let_s_talk_parenting_taboos.html Let's talk parenting taboos: Rufus Griscom + Alisa Volkman

    here is a TED talk that takes that first data point on decreased happiness and digs deeper.

  9. Re:Murderers. by Gerzel · · Score: 2

    Yeah they also brought the field of modern medicine which has saved far more.

    Before science it wasn't too uncommon for a woman to die during childbirth and the survival rate of children has risen drastically. So if you really cared about fetuses being born and having life you would encourage science.

    Of course science also sometimes speaks against religions when the evidence points that way and it teaches people to think and criticize thought and knowledge both are very dangerous to the religious mind.

  10. I want twins. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I tell my girlfriend that I want twins, that way I can name one "Control". With Triplets you'd even be able to do 2 different studies.

  11. Re:Murderers. by BluBrick · · Score: 2

    Yeah, and carpenters are responsible for building abortion clinics. Wake up, people! Carpenters are murderers!

    Y'know... Come to think of it, wasn't Jesus a carpenter?

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  12. Ever see the movie 'alien', honey? by TiggertheMad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No kidding! A parasite reduces the host's reproductive efficacy!

    well, technically a fetus is a barrier to it's host becoming pregnant.....I think you just added to 'parasite' argument rather than detract from it.

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  13. Re:Divorced in by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. Drunkenly post something to blog, sober up, realize your wife will divorce you if she reads it
    2. Submit it to slashdot
    3. ???
    4. SLASHDOTTED!!!
    5. Wife can't read blog, no divorce, no child support payments, profit.

  14. Re:Only one possible response ... by wmbetts · · Score: 2

    Have you done any experiments to prove this?

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  15. How Scientists Raze Parents. by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My first word was "Light", not Mama or Dada.

    As a 6 year old boy I black-mailed my parents into subscribing to scientific journals and magazines (discovered via articles referencing them I read in the library). Ethics be damned, I knew all about many of their embarrassing secrets, esp. their gossip of others -- Someone had to take charge of my learning. In their ignorance, they couldn't see the value in feeding a young mind's thirst for knowledge with anything other than Sesame Street, Legos and 3-2-1 Contact. Money was not the issue, I saw many purchases attributed to leisure, and offered to give up my own current & future toys in exchange for knowledge.

    I eventually came to respect my parents, but not until they had respected me as sentient member of the family (not an unquestionably obedient pet to be amused with mere toys). "Because I told you to, and I'm your Parent!", was never a logical argument -- It was tyrannical, and I revolted as any free-thinker would to tyranny. They eventually learned that respectfully explained commands worked far better: "Go to bed early so that you'll be refreshed, we have an earlier schedule than normal tomorrow morning." or "Go to your room, I'm upset enough to be irrational!" or "Mom and Dad need some alone time -- could you go play outside or at the neighbors?"

    Perhaps having to explain yourself to a child is outrageous -- I say that to do otherwise is to foster ignorance, misunderstanding and thus irrational anger.

    For my initial "insolence" and "ungrateful" attitude I suffered copious amounts of corporal punishment (it had little to no effect on my mind -- only reasoning did), but my unlucky parents suffered too under the burden of psychological warfare as I pitted one side against the other; Eg. placing Dad's porno under Mom's pillow, or putting things from Dad's wallet into Mom's purse -- there are so many little things that irritate adults.

    My parents finally came to realize that they should also be grateful that they didn't have to talk down to me, or worry about censoring the world for me -- I knew what not to say and when not to say it, and right from wrong because they told me these things. They became grateful that they could simply say: "Sorry, that's too expensive, or dangerous I won't change my mind", and I would understand -- instead of arguing, whining, or throwing a temper-tantrum in public as other children sometimes do.

    If you are of a strong scientific mind and high intellect: Toss out everything you know of the parent / child roles. Treat your children as you would like them to treat you, or as adults treat each other -- With respect. If they disrespect you, discipline them, but if you disrespect them, they will discipline you (what do you think an embarrassing fit of kicking and screaming is?).

    A wife would be outraged at being sent to her room by a Husband, or vise versa. -- Indeed it may be best at times to calm down after a bit of distance and time, tell your children this, they will be less prone to irritate you if they can tell what's irritating. Oft times the whole issue can be avoided with a bit of communication: "Please stop that, I don't like it when you do that." You do not have to abandon your role as parent -- "Trust me, son, I can't explain why but you shouldn't do that" or "I need you to do this for me..."

    Scientists beware -- Your genes may cause you to spawn a "monster" such as me -- A thirsty mind frustrated by its role as a child.

    1. Re:How Scientists Raze Parents. by MikeBabcock · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps having to explain yourself to a child is outrageous -- I say that to do otherwise is to foster ignorance, misunderstanding and thus irrational anger.

      I encourage my daughter to disagree with me if she thinks she's right and can support her claim. I frequently point out that mindless obedience is not encouraged either. That said, she's very respectful and treats others well, including teachers who've claimed she doesn't know what she's talking about when she does.

      A personal moment of pride was when she wrote a note to get herself out of after-school care. She wrote it first person, not claiming to be from her parents, included my cell phone number on it as back-up, and left it with a friend and took off. My phone rang with a panicked teacher explaining that she had this note I obviously didn't write and I told her it sounded fine to me.

      Watching other parents raise mindless blobs is very frustrating.

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    2. Re:How Scientists Raze Parents. by justinlee37 · · Score: 2

      I don't think you need to use a "wooden spoon" to raise children.

      My Dad had a fairly novel solution to the "temper tantrum in the store" problem. He simply ignored my tantrum and walked away. Once I realized that I was by myself I got scared and ran to the next aisle to find him. Of course, I immediately started my tantrum again, but he just walked away again. Once I learned that throwing the tantrum wouldn't get me what I wanted, I stopped throwing them -- no "wooden spoon" required.

      The research shows that corporal punishment is not a good way to raise children. It causes them to become impulsive and violent, and in the end, they won't internalize the values that you wish to teach them, and then they'll run wild as soon as you're not around.

  16. Re:Divorced in by jenn_13 · · Score: 2

    So what are you trying to say, (pregnant) wives have no sense of humor?

  17. Re:Don't bring the clipboard to bed... by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Informative

    An early pioneer at microscopy, Antonie van Leeuwenhoek was one of the first ones to look at sperm cells, around 1677. He describes that the samples were obtained fresh, and added the disclaimer "What I investigate is only what, without sinfully defiling myself, remains as a residue after conjugal coitus."

    In other words, in this pioneering study of human sperm, Mrs. van Leeuwenhoek was an uncredited lab assistant in an unusual capacity.

  18. Re:If you ever have children, don't make my mistak by feufeu · · Score: 2

    7) Don't tell her that *she* wanted a baby during labor pains. I did this and almost got killed on the spot...

  19. Re:well by jenn_13 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The sense of humor comes in handy, especially when you have to put up with a husband and kids. But actually, 99.9% of the time, they are the best thing in my life. Then there are the moments when you have to laugh when something frustrating happens, because there's no point in getting mad about it. Which is why my son had the temporary nickname of "Mom's fountain of joy", while I was learning to be much faster with diaper changing...

  20. Re:If you ever have children, don't make my mistak by metrometro · · Score: 3, Informative

    True, although in our case, my wife referred to our daughter affectionately as Blasty well into the pregnancy.

    She also sang Frank Sinatra ("I get a kick out of you") to the fetus every day for 7 months or so, so she could compare the response post-partum to a control (Dean Martin). Results were inconclusive. We're considering another trial.

  21. Re:Murderers. by turtledawn · · Score: 2

    AND it also proved that men were responsible for determining the sex of their children, eliminating a major excuse men used to control the behaviour of women. Yay science!

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  22. Re:Don't bring the clipboard to bed... by Intropy · · Score: 2

    Having been in academia for the last decade I can assure you that is most certainly not unusual behavior for a lab assistant.