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NATO Report Threatens To 'Persecute' Anonymous

Stoobalou writes "NATO leaders have been warned that Wikileaks-loving 'hacktivist' collective Anonymous could pose a threat to member states' security, following recent attacks on the US Chamber of Commerce and defence contractor HBGary — and promise to 'persecute' its members." From the article: "In a toughly-worded draft report to the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, General Rapporteur Lord Jopling claims that the loose-knit, leaderless group is 'becoming more and more sophisticated,' and 'could potentially hack into sensitive government, military, and corporate files.'"

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  1. good luck by Nihn · · Score: 5, Funny

    the term "kicking water up hill" comes to mind.

    1. Re:good luck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think the phrase Anonymous likes to use is "pissing in an ocean of piss."

  2. I guess we'll find out... by cold+fjord · · Score: 3

    I guess we'll find out if "Anonymous" is as anonymous as they think they are, if it is truly as chaotic as some people claim. I have my doubts on both fronts.

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    1. Re:I guess we'll find out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Easy. Just subpoena Amazon for the list of people who bought those Guy Fawkes masks.

  3. Great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because that's worked great against al-Qaida. Ten years and we finally caught/killed the closest thing to a leader they have and the war still continues.

    Anonymous had no real leader or command structure. Pursuing this course of action would be a huge waste of time/money and only rile up a bee's nest that loves to fight back when provoked.

  4. Good luck with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am Spartacus!

  5. General Rapporteur Lord Jopling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think his parents named him after consulting once of those "What's your Star Wars name?" pages.

  6. Gross Oversimplification of the HBGary Incident by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The group demonstrated its capabilities in February, says the report, when it hacked into US-based defence contractor HBGary.

    I neither defend nor condone Anonymous' actions but I take issue with this statement. Indeed, upon reading the report I get a little more accurate of a description:

    Observers note that Anonymous is becoming more and more sophisticated and could potentially hack into sensitive government, military, and corporate files. According to reports in February 2011, Anonymous demonstrated its ability to do just that. After WikiLeaks announced its plan of releasing information about a major bank, the US Chamber of Commerce and Bank of America reportedly hired the data intelligence company HBGary Federal to protect their servers and attack any adversaries of these institutions. In response, Anonymous hacked servers of HBGary Federal’s sister company and hijacked the CEO’s Twitter account. Today, the ad hoc international group of hackers and activists is said to have thousands of operatives and has no set rules or membership.[36] It remains to be seen how much time Anonymous has for pursuing such paths. The longer these attacks persist the more likely countermeasures will be developed, implemented, the groups will be infiltrated and perpetrators persecuted.[37]

    (Emphasis mine). I don't know how certain members of Anonymous found themselves on the receiving end of Aaron Barr's maligned attacks on them but I don't see their reaction to such as all too out of line. Barr went after Anonymous and it's not entirely clear to me why persecution of Anonymous is sought. What would I do in that situation? Would I lash back out at this person tracking you? Probably although I might have taken a more litigious route (and I hope those named by Barr do, regardless of any possible involvement in Anonymous).

    Whoever leaked these documents is at fault here, be it Bradley Manning or anyone else who had access to the documents and leaked them. I'm guessing they signed something saying they wouldn't do that so they're at fault. Wikileaks, the press, Anonymous, the whole internet, etc are not to blame for coming into possession of them through legal means. Attack the person who broke the rules and fix the problem from its source. Whether Manning was whistle-blowing or breaking his promise of national security will be decided by what he leaked. NATO should be telling the nations to deal with their own problems and not trying to enforce more ridiculous global control.

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  7. Acts of War by Alphanos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh. When we saw the story the other day that the US had declared that hacking and similar online attacks could be considered acts of war, I didn't understand the purpose of such a statement. Now I understand.

    I think we might be seeing the start of America's next war on a general concept.

    Any bets as to what the target will be stated as? Anonymity? The Internet in general?

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    1. Re:Acts of War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It will be a war not fought to be won, but to be sustained; sustaining the military-industrial-security complex.

      Anyone can be a suspect.

  8. Re:Persecuting your own citizens by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hey, NATO,

    What's the matter? You've been telling us for years that if we didn't do anything wrong, there's no need for privacy. Welcome to our world.

    Sincerely,
    Everyone

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  9. "The tighter you grip ... by DaGoodBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... the more systems will slip through your fingers."

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    1. Re:"The tighter you grip ... by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "... the more you risk a serious chafing and subsequent desensitization of the glans, leading to increased frictional requirements, leading to a tighter grip in a terrible downward spiral that ends up with something that resembles a hot dog stricken with leprosy. "

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  10. What if? by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What if the individuals they employ to do the persecution are members of anonymous? What if members of anonymous worked for Sony? Everyone seems to assume anonymous is made up of script kiddies with no real jobs or responsibilities. Granted what I have heard about their behavior on 4chan could lend credence to that presumption but don't we all get a little emboldened when we think we are "anonymous"? What if your co-worker is actually a member of anonymous? It could explain why your PC crashed after you pissed him off the other day.

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    1. Re:What if? by creat3d · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We cook your food. We pick up your trash. We are your doctors and sysadmins. We manufacture your weapons and security bunkers. We are your IT and shipping departments. We distribute the mail and clean your cum-stained hotel rooms. DO NOT FUCK WITH US.

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  11. Translation by wcrowe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Translation: we now have a convenient bogeyman to use as an excuse to exercise greater control over the masses.

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  12. Governments should be afraid of their people by Omnifarious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can only hope that Anonymous exceeds their expectations. Right now, it looks like they think Anonymous is a threat they can crush. I dearly hope that it isn't. My government should be quaking in its boots at the thought of angering a significant minority of those it governs. "Government by consent of the governed." has meant far too little for far too long.

  13. Re:Persecuting your own citizens by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, no, no, you misunderstood me. If the NATO member nations were doing nothing wrong, then they would have no need for privacy, and thus by their own logic, the actions of anonymous are ethical and reasonable.

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  14. Re:right. sure. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why don't anon just topple the jerks in Georgia for fun? Then? On to the criminal regime in Bahrain!

    Then NATO can really worry and wonder.

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    Never been known to fail..."
  15. just following orders by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bradley Manning has instigated more positive change in the world than the whole CIA in the last 30 years.
    His handlers should let the cat out of the bag and accept the kudos they deserve. Talk about bang for the buck!

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff