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Apple Bans DUI Checkpoint Apps

An anonymous reader writes "In late March, four US senators banded together and wrote a letter to Apple asking that they remove apps that alert users as to the whereabouts of DUI checkpoints. Now, Apple has revised its app store guidelines to ban those type of 'illegal' apps."

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  1. Makes sense by Combatso · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just in time for me to release my new "lemonade stand app" it tells you if you are approaching a lemonade stand, and to slow down just in case you are thirsty, or take a different route if you don't like lemonade at all.

    1. Re:Makes sense by NinetyOneDegrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thing is, a DUI test is an annoyance. If you're driving somewhere you want to get there without being stopped and having to prove your innocence.

      I'm sure this is used by a lot of non-drink-drivers for this reason.

  2. No more apples by dynamic_cast · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So glad I ditched apple and went back to pc/android a couple of years ago when this kind of crap started.

    1. Re:No more apples by flaming+error · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > apps which have no purpose other than letting
      > people drink-drive

      That these checkpoints are called "DUI checkpoints" in no way suggests that:
      1) Government checkpoints are authorized by the Constitution
      2) There is no reason for non-drunks to avoid them
      3) That banning products in high demand will do anything but create a black market for them.

      If you're not a fan of censorship generally, I'd expect you to be a little more skeptical and analytical, a little less "I don't care if the authorities grope everybody's underpants because I've got nothing to hide".

    2. Re:No more apples by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Informative

      Umm Android allows you to use apps not approved by the Google High Command.

    3. Re:No more apples by sconeu · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nice try dude.

      The Tenth specifically states that the gov can't do stuff like this if it's not in the constitution.

      The Ninth says that just because they didn't say "you can use public roads without conditions", you still can do so.

      The Fourteenth (like it or hate it) extended these restrictions to the States as well.

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    4. Re:No more apples by Raenex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't drink and drive and I also don't enjoy being hit by asshole drunk drivers.

      I don't want to be hit by asshole drunk drivers either, but I value my 4th Amendment rights more than a little bit more safety enforced by a police state.

      Cops patrolling and looking for erratic drivers is the answer, not a police state searching innocent civilians with no cause.

  3. What exactly is illegal about those apps? by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As far as I can tell, the Senators decided to write Apple precisely because there was nothing illegal about those apps. Reporting on police activity isn't illegal - yet, I guess. I'm not entirely surprised that those apps specifically were banned from the app store, because Apple has an interest in keeping legislators off its back and keep up the image of offering a wholesome version of the Internet. At the same time, I'm curious what other apps would fall under this, or if Apple is going to keep this little bit of TOS around only to remove apps that generate too much bad publicity. My guess is it's going to be the latter.

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    1. Re:What exactly is illegal about those apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They're not illegal, the submitter just threw that word in and put it in quotes because they're an 'idiot'.

  4. Choose Freedom. Choose Android. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is what freedom is all about.

    Choose Android.

    Choose Freedom.

    Fuck the police.

  5. Re:Aside from hype, Apple's real policy... by Kenja · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you can look at something, and tell others about its existence, it is by definition public information.

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  6. Re:A-PPolice State. by jo_ham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I run a store. I don't want to sell beans in my store. I remove all beans from my store.

    Do I have a legal leg to stand on here?

  7. Re:Aside from hype, Apple's real policy... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Informative

    obstruction of justice. that's what they'll get you on.

    there used to be a custom on the road: when you saw a speed trap, you blinked your lights to the oncoming traffic to warn them. this, in many states, can you get cited ;(

    citizens having power SCARES those in charge. (story at 11)

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  8. Re:Aside from hype, Apple's real policy... by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Informative

    50 MPH zone transitioning into a short 35 MPH zone on a straight and level consistently wide road, is for no reason other than to allow the creation of a speed trap so that the town where that 35 MPH zone resides can stick it to people. Yes, I flash my high beams.

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  9. Re:Hypocritical by tibit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Automotive analogy: The problem with using BAC is that it's akin to checking the speed of your car by putting strain gages in the tires and measuring the radial strain to get at the rotational speed. It's just as silly.

    What you need to do is a functional test: measure reflex speeds, vestibular nystagmus and its suppression, and such. All of that could be done with a portable eye tracker, quite cheaply, too (read: big profits for manufacturer). This would take care of people's varying sensitivity to alcohol, and would automatically catch drug users, too. It tests the performance of the visual system -- kinda important when you're driving.

    BAC is an indirect way to measure impairment: it's impairment you're after, not BAC itself. BAC is a very approximate estimate for impairment! Even worse, BAC is measured indirectly again by poorly testing the amount of alcohol in exhaled air. That's two layers of indirection for measuring something that has direct, reproducible measurements available.

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  10. Re:Aside from hype, Apple's real policy... by Duradin · · Score: 4, Funny

    "this historically means "go ahead you're clear.""

    That's news to me. It traditionally means "clear the way, I'm moving faster than you."

  11. Re:A-PPolice State. by secretcurse · · Score: 5, Informative

    Correction. It is a publicly traded business, owned by private citizens and collectives. A municipally held utility would be an example of a publicly owned business.

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  12. Re:Hypocritical by Risen888 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the dangers of drunk driving have nothing to do with how your eye vibrates or your nystagmus suppresses or whatever.

    There isn't some magic booze fairy that comes down and jerks the wheel. These are well-understood biological processes. You said it yourself above, "The danger is with people who are drunk enough to mess with their distance judgment or reflexes." So which is it? Biology or booze fairy?

    At least BAC is a proxy that can be understood and everybody agrees is related to alcohol intake.

    So what? It's also an arbitrary measurement that can mean wildly different things depending on any number of factors. If I usually have a six pack a day, and today I drank three beers, I'm probably over the limit, but in no way impaired. You obviously know that. So why are you spreading lies?

    I can't stand drunk driving apologists.

    I can't stand ad hominems.

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