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Homeland Security Running NBC-Owned PSAs

An anonymous reader writes "A few months ago, Homeland Security's ICE (Immigration & Customs Enforcement) group started placing an anti-piracy video PSA on various domains that it had seized. What it didn't say was who created the PSA. A Freedom of Information Act request by Techdirt has revealed that the videos are actually created & owned by NBC Universal, but nowhere does Homeland Security publicly admit this. As Techdirt writes: 'Could you imagine how the press would react if, say, the FDA ran PSAs that were created and owned by McDonald's without making that clear to the public? How about if the Treasury Department ran a PSA created and owned by Goldman Sachs? So, shouldn't we be asking serious questions about why Homeland Security and ICE are running a one-sided, misleading corporate propaganda video, created and owned by a private company, without mentioning the rather pertinent information of who made it?'"

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  1. Oh come on, what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How about if the Treasury Department ran a PSA created and owned by Goldman Sachs?

    It's called a Congressional hearing, they hold 'em every day!

    1. Re:Oh come on, what's the big deal? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Excellent observation.

      Now, let's all go back to Mussolini's textbook definition of Fascism, shall we?

      âoeFascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate powerâ

      There is much in this, that explain the metaphoric "wars" on drugs and "piracy", as well as the never-ending Imperial adventures the Satanic States of AmeriKKKa:

      "War alone brings up to their highest tension all human energies and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have the courage to meet it. Fascism carries this anti-pacifist struggle into the lives of individuals. It is education for combat... war is to man what maternity is to the woman. I do not believe in perpetual peace; not only do I not believe in it but I find it depressing and a negation of all the fundamental virtues of a man."

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    2. Re:Oh come on, what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Excellent observation.

      Now, let's all go back to Mussolini's textbook definition of Fascism, shall we?

      âoeFascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate powerâ

      There is much in this, that explain the metaphoric "wars" on drugs and "piracy", as well as the never-ending Imperial adventures the Satanic States of AmeriKKKa:

      "War alone brings up to their highest tension all human energies and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have the courage to meet it. Fascism carries this anti-pacifist struggle into the lives of individuals. It is education for combat... war is to man what maternity is to the woman. I do not believe in perpetual peace; not only do I not believe in it but I find it depressing and a negation of all the fundamental virtues of a man."

      Let's see:

      "Bailouts and more bailouts" for Wall Street, with high-flying bankers flying in and out of the revolving door of working for the government and big banks.

      "Bailouts and more bailouts" for automakers

      GE paying zero taxes

      Started a war in Libya

      Started ANOTHER war in Yemen!!!!

      Troops still in Iraq

      No end in sight in Afghanistan

      Gitmo still open, no plans to close

      Unconsitutional wiretaps continue

      Seriously - Obama sure as hell meets the definition of FASCIST, doesn't he?

    3. Re:Oh come on, what's the big deal? by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hell, Dick Cheney even let the companies literally write the government policy that regulated them. Pretty sweet deal if you've got the fat cash for some big campaign contributions.

      You too can own your very own elected representative. For just hundreds of dollars a day, you can help these poor Congressmen and their reelection campaigns. Won't you please help?

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    4. Re:Oh come on, what's the big deal? by couchslug · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Seriously - Obama sure as hell meets the definition of FASCIST, doesn't he?"

      He's a fine Republican President and I resent that insult!

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    5. Re:Oh come on, what's the big deal? by Zeek40 · · Score: 2
      If he was a Republican, he'd actually be able to pass legislation because Republicans vote in lockstep.

      It'd be horrible, regressive legislation that provides additional benefit to the rich while shitting on the middle class and poor, but he'd actually be able to pass it.

    6. Re:Oh come on, what's the big deal? by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not just Obama. It started under Bush. That got Congress properly scared so the Executive branch could work autonomously outside of the checks and balances of our government. Obama's just taking Bush's ball and running with it.

      THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN DEBATE. This is the "upper-class" declaring war on the "lower-class", and using partisan politics to divide us so we don't notice. Stop playing their game.

    7. Re:Oh come on, what's the big deal? by Sectoid_Dev · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're blaming Obama for the bailouts? Really? You might as well blame him for Watergate and the Great Depression.

      and at that point, the Republicans start drooling, asking themselves, "Can we?"

    8. Re:Oh come on, what's the big deal? by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      Don't get hung up on the department it belongs to.

      Homeland Security is a grouping of organizations from other departments which were found to have Homeland Security responsibilities. Some of those groups also had non-security tasks in their portfolio. Just like the fact that the Secret Service protects the President, but they also look into all counterfeiting operations because the Secret Service is part of the Treasury Department, making them Treasury Agents as well.

      In this case, ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) has obvious responsibilities for border security, but it also has been tasked with IP enforcement, probably because there are international treaties and conventions involved.

  2. Must See TV! by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's "Must See" as in "you are legally required to watch and learn, citizens."

    1. Re:Must See TV! by RedACE7500 · · Score: 2

      Pick up that can.

    2. Re:Must See TV! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'll wait for the torrent.

  3. The press doesn't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The press wouldn't care, because they do it too. They happily run videos produced by corporations and present them as news. It makes them a little money and helps them be lazy.

    Besides, who's going to report than NBC produced the videos? NBC?

    1. Re:The press doesn't care by denis-The-menace · · Score: 2

      And this is why you should not allow Newspapers to own TV stations/networks to own production monopolies to own Congress and vice-versa.

      But what do you expect from a Corporatocracy?

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  4. Homeland Security? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, shouldn't we be asking serious questions about why Homeland Security and ICE are running a one-sided, misleading corporate propaganda video, created and owned by a private company, without mentioning the rather pertinent information of who made it?

    Yes, we should, but I'll be happy to wait until after they've answered the more pressing question about what the hell Homeland Security are doing enforcing copyright claims in the first place.

    1. Re:Homeland Security? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you post copyrighted material on YouTube, then the terrorists win. QED.

    2. Re:Homeland Security? by TwiztidK · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, as I'm sure we'll all admit, copyright infringement and terrorism are pretty much the same thing...kind of like jaywalking and murder.

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    3. Re:Homeland Security? by ChrisGoodwin · · Score: 4, Informative

      US Customs has been moved under Homeland Security.

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    4. Re:Homeland Security? by Haedrian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As I've said earlier.

      Piracy means people get free access.
      Free access means everyone can have it.
      Everyone can have it means Communism.
      Communism is unamerican.

      Better Dead than Red!
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      Its also probably because nothing gets the public riled up more than hunting down 'terrorists'. They're our new pariah group.

    5. Re:Homeland Security? by mcmonkey · · Score: 2

      So, shouldn't we be asking serious questions about why Homeland Security and ICE are running a one-sided, misleading corporate propaganda video, created and owned by a private company, without mentioning the rather pertinent information of who made it?

      Yes, we should, but I'll be happy to wait until after they've answered the more pressing question about what the hell Homeland Security are doing enforcing copyright claims in the first place.

      Good point.

      Of course, if DHS and ICE had produced these videos in house, Anonymous Coward would complain that this was more government waste, as there are folks whose job it is to produce video who could do the job much more efficiently.

    6. Re:Homeland Security? by wintercolby · · Score: 2

      Wait . . . I thought piracy was what those people in financially destitute countries were getting paid to do near Somalia, to destabilize trade and cruises from The West .

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    7. Re:Homeland Security? by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, we should, but I'll be happy to wait until after they've answered the more pressing question about what the hell Homeland Security are doing enforcing copyright claims in the first place.

      Fighting terrorism was just the government's way of getting its foot in the door.

      I wish more people were outraged by the fact that DHS and ICE are getting away with shutting down websites without any kind of trial or even the promise of a trial. The government's current approach to domain seizures is more the behavior of an unaccountable government than that of a proper democracy. Those who truly stand for Freedom instead of just paying lip service to it should be outraged by this kind of behavior.

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    8. Re:Homeland Security? by cdrudge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, we should, but I'll be happy to wait until after they've answered the more pressing question about what the hell Homeland Security are doing enforcing copyright claims in the first place.

      So which department of the Executive Branch, you know the one that is suppose to enforce laws, should it fall to if not the Department of Homeland Security?

      Department of Agriculture
      Department of Commerce
      Department of Defense
      Department of Education
      Department of Energy
      Department of Health and Human Services
      Department of Housing and Urban Development
      Department of Justice
      Department of Labor
      Department of State
      Department of the Interior
      Department of the Treasury
      Department of Transportation
      Department of Veterans Affairs

      It would seem to me that DHS would be the best fit since there isn't a Department of Copyright Enforcement (yet).

    9. Re:Homeland Security? by parineum · · Score: 2

      Department of Commerce seems to fit pretty well.

    10. Re:Homeland Security? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Depart of Commerce is a better fit Since it's a legal thing, Department of Justice might fit better Also, the Statute of Anne, on which US copyright is largely based, was an "Act for the encouragement of learning", so even the Departmet of Education would fit If nobody is going to be blown up, shot, or poisoned, DHS probably shouldn't be involved

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    11. Re:Homeland Security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think most of us have already passed outrage and fallen into the realm of despair. Sorry about that.

  5. Remind me again by PPH · · Score: 2

    What was 'Homeland Security' created for? What is its charter?

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    1. Re:Remind me again by Dyinobal · · Score: 5, Informative

      To turn the US into a Police State and umm I think there was something about terrorism in there.

  6. public-private partnership by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the UK we call this the public-private partnership (PPP - no, not that PPP), private finance initiative, introducing competitiveness into service provision, blah, blah, blah. What it actually means is a hegemony of large corporations selected by government cronies which siphon money off the tax payer to provide a service you either didn't want in the first place or which was once provided much more effectively at cost.

    When finding out that a government is paying money to a corporation for a service, there is only one necessary question: what compensation will be paid to the men in government who made the decision by the executives of the firm which just won the multi-million-currency contract?

  7. I assume this is a rhetorical question. by senorpoco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "why Homeland Security and ICE are running a one-sided, misleading corporate propaganda video, created and owned by a private company, without mentioning the rather pertinent information of who made it?"

    1. Re:I assume this is a rhetorical question. by WhirlwindMonk · · Score: 2

      Oh if I only had mod points to give you

      I don't understand why this is such a big deal? A company that is hurt by stealing offers to make a PSA to help promote not stealing, seems like a pretty reasonable thing to happen. I especially love this quote from techdirt

      Could you imagine how the press would react if, say, the FDA ran PSAs that were created and owned by McDonald's

      Yeah, that would only apply if the PSA was about not stealing hamburgers, in which case I can't see how anyone could complain about that.

      What if the PSA stated, or even implied, that "fast food" *flashes McD's sign* isn't that bad for you *flashes images of skinny people at line at McD's* and you should eat it more often *flashes image of McD's drive through*, would you have an issue? Note, I have not seen the PSA, but if it included the ludicrously inflated "financial damage due to piracy" statistics the media companies like to drop, could you see why some people would think that this is an issue?

    2. Re:I assume this is a rhetorical question. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "stealing"
      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    3. Re:I assume this is a rhetorical question. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      It's illegal taking of property, with 'taking' in this context requiring both an acquisition of property by the party labeled a 'thief' and a loss of property labeled the 'victim.' This campaign is against illegal downloading, which does not involve any loss of property. Rather, what has happened that is illegal in this situation is that a copy has been made without permission of the copyright holder. If you are a Cro-Magnon who can't comprehend copyright and copyright infringement by itself, and thus need metaphors for a crutch, it is far closer to trespassing on land than theft, as trespassing is use of land without permission, so call it trespassing instead of thief if you wish to be at least labeled a hominid, and call it illegal downloading, copyright infringement, or another technically accurate term if you wish to be classified as a modern human

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    4. Re:I assume this is a rhetorical question. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      The meriam webster definition is to 'take the property.' That's what I said.

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    5. Re:I assume this is a rhetorical question. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      The definition used is to take property wrongfully, which is almost exactly what I said. The debate would be over my definition of 'take', which can refer to loss, acquisition, or both. If the reason you want to stop stealing is because stealing is bad, than the important part is what makes something bad: the harm done. The harm in stealing is in the loss part. Take for example, my guitar. If someone steals it, I will be unhappy because I don't have a guitar. If someone destroys it, I will be unhappy in more or less the same manner because I still don't have a guitar. If someone copies my guitar in a replicator and keeps the copy, I won't be bothered because I still have my guitar.

      And no, it would not be reasonable to say that my friend stole my idea, at least not if intended literally. The reasonable argument would be that if I came up with an idea, and a friend of mine claims that he came up with the idea, that he stole the credit (he gained the credit and I lost the credit), although fraud may be a better description.

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  8. Name Change by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    Corporate Security has the ring of authenticity to it.

  9. No need to imagine by mcmonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Could you imagine how the press would react if, say, the FDA ran PSAs that were created and owned by McDonald's without making that clear to the public? How about if the Treasury Department ran a PSA created and owned by Goldman Sachs?

    US Agricultural policy is written by lobbyists for the likes of Monsanto and ADM. And are there any high-ranking officials in Treasury who don't have strong ties to Goldman or Bear Stearns?

    The question isn't how the press would react, it's how the citizens react. And the answer is, they don't.

    There have been many documentaries, exposes, and so forth about the incestuous relationships between industry and US regulators and law makers. The response has been a collective yawn.

    Everyone (other than W.) in the White House or Congress who had any major role in getting the prescription drug plan passed went on to work for the drug industry. You don't need to imagine the reaction; just look around.

  10. Oligarchy ... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, shouldn't we be asking serious questions about why Homeland Security and ICE are running a one-sided, misleading corporate propaganda video, created and owned by a private company, without mentioning the rather pertinent information of who made it?

    There's no need to ask.

    Laws in the US are written at the behest of large corporations, to serve large corporations, with the people who enact those laws being paid by those large corporations.

    The fact that the Department of Homeland Security is performing raids to protect the intellectual property of corporations is pretty much proof of that. Why is an agency tasked with the physical security of a nation responsible for seizing domain names suspect of copyright infringement? Because pretty much all US law and policy is in service to the wishes of the owners of this intellectual property.

    When Goldman Sachs writes your economic policy, you seriously need to ask these questions?

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  11. Um, no. by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "So, shouldn't we be asking serious questions about why Homeland Security and ICE are running a one-sided, misleading corporate propaganda video, created and owned by a private company, without mentioning the rather pertinent information of who made it?'"

    Um, no. Let the Government do what they damned well please.

    Or start firing your representatives, and hiring new ones. THEY are the ones not doing their jobs. It's called an election, and they happen every 2 years. Fire your Representatives, and your Senators, and your President, until they get it right. Then they will have to look over the other branch (judiciary) and get them re-oriented as well. This will take decades, my friends. It's ok, BTW, for the Congress to instruct the Judiciary, by law and by appointment. We have influence on that, if we choose to exercise it. Even the SCOTUS answers occasionally to Congress, in the form of nomination confirmations, and in new law to address disagreements. Not instantanous, not perfect, but it can work.

    You know how at work, if the boss isn't paying attention, then the staff gets into trouble screwing around and failing to even try for goals, much less achieving them? Same problem with government. We are lax in our management of our own government. This must stop.

    Gotta steer the boat, or it will end up on the rocks. Rock beats sailboat.

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    1. Re:Um, no. by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or start firing your representatives, and hiring new ones. THEY are the ones not doing their jobs. It's called an election, and they happen every 2 years.

      Yeah, because that's worked just so well in the past.

  12. Re:Why does this matter? by orgelspieler · · Score: 2

    DHS is funded by our tax dollars. There are procedures in place to make sure that government contracts are issued to companies in a fair manner. Do we know if this was done correctly? Of course, since Comcast NBC Universal is staffed by a former FCC board member, I guess things like due diligence don't matter anymore. Not to mention the fact that Jeff Immelt (CEO of GE who used to own NBC Universal) is the jobs czar. This just reeks of conflict of interest.

    Next there is the issue of ownership. If our tax dollars paid for this PSA, we damn well better own it. When Northrop Grumman makes a bomber, they don't retain ownership of it. This is just ridiculous. I'll bet NBC already had the PSA's ready to go, maybe thinking they'd run their own war on piracy. But then they realized, "Hey, we could pitch this to the DHS and make millions!"

    Maybe I need to get my tinfoil hat adjusted.

  13. Re:Well... by LoudNoiseElitist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No. However, if I could just get a copy of your car....

  14. Re:Who cares who made it ... by squidfood · · Score: 3, Informative

    Alternative IF NBC wrote the script and the government found it to be accurate(*), then fine.

    No, maybe not fine.

    Fine is: Government wants to produce a message. Government writes the message. Government puts production services out for bid, NBC is best by fair assessment (not just on price but possibly quality services). Video is made.

    NOT fine is: Message is essentially a corporate message from NBC following NBC interests, so they give/donate/underbid their services in such a way that their corporate message is being sent and endorsed using the government as a mouthpiece.

  15. Seems like worrying that the pit bull coming for your neck has a tick.

  16. I wonder why... by thestudio_bob · · Score: 2

    Hmmm... I can't quite put my finger on it, but for some reason I think it has something to do with the current administration...

    • Ian Heath Gershengorn, a partner with RIAA-firm Jenner & Block, represented the labels against Grokster (.pdf) and will be in charge of the DOJ Federal Programs Branch. That’s the unit that just told a federal judge the Obama administration supports monetary damages as high as $150,000 per purloined music track on a peer-to-peer file sharing program.
    • Donald Verrilli, associate deputy attorney general — the No. 3 in the DOJ, who unsuccessfully urged a federal judge to uphold the $222,000 file sharing verdict against Jammie Thomas.
    • Tom Perrilli, as Verrilli’s former boss, the Justice Department’s No. 2 argued in 2002 that internet service providers should release customer information to the RIAA even without a court subpoena.
    • Brian Hauck, counsel to associate attorney general, worked on the Grokster case on behalf of the record labels.
    • Ginger Anders, assistant to the solicitor general, litigated on the Cablevision case.

    ...and just the other day...

    • Donald Verrilli Jr. now serves as the nation's solicitor general.

    For those of you that voted for Obama, apparently you didn't notice that he choose Mr. Joe Biden as his Vice President running mate. Mr. Joe is bought and paid for by the RIAA and MPAA. Now you get to see what all that campaign money bought. Congratulations!

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  17. Buy our crap or this woman looses her job by mdragan · · Score: 2

    Is this the message of the short film? Buy our movies, they might be crap, but they also might be good, and they cost a lot because we can't be bothered to keep up with new technology. Otherwise this working woman looses her job, because, you know, we won't cut it from the salaries of people choosing to produce bad movies, and we won't cut our HUGE winnings when make a blockbuster. We like it as it is, and you the consumer must support our funny ways or we'll fire the poor women.
    Whose the pirate there? "Give us your money or we cut this woman here! Aaargh!"

  18. Typical behavior from govt, Same bold faced lie. by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Watched the video.

    Message: Take these pirated movies, and this woman (Sound stage tech) loses her job.

    Sub-message: The people that still take the movies are heartless scum.

    As article points out, shameless PSA produced by NBC; proffered by HSA.

    That over with--

    1) This assertion (Take pirate DVD, woman loses job) makes a series of fundamentally broken assumptions:

    i) Content production companies (like studios-- like the one which made the PSA) live so hand-to-mouth that the failure to monopoly dominate sales/transfers of the content they create will cause them to lay off workers.

    Reality: The phase 'hollywood accounting' exists for a reason. Any such 'Hand-to-mouth' type economics exists exclusively on paper, to avoid paying actors, authors and film crew while simultaneously generating huge profits for the production company. It exists exclusively as a contrived mechanism to avoid paying royalty money on the very sales the video harps about. This makes the video a hypocritical, bold faced lie from the get-go.

    ii) The act of taking the pirated DVD would cause the person to lose her job, because you are not paying-- EG-- the lost sale angle.

    Reality: Multiple redundant studies have shown that consummate media pirates on average BUY MORE products than their 'legitimate purchases only' counterparts.

      Additionally, the pirate is only interested in the product to begin with because he does not have to invest anything; EG, the appropriation of the pirated DVDs are NOT lost sales.

    Without the piracy option, the consumer would simply not have consumed, reducing media penetration, and realistically doing far worse than what piracy allegedly would have done. At least when the product gets pirated, the pirate gets a direct assessment of the quality of the product, and if it is any good, would now have direct motivation to buy additional products. Eg- Pirate downloads first matrix movie-- likes it, orders the trilogy box set. The subsequent sale would never have taken place if the initial piracy had never occurred. The notion that the pirate would have just sunk down 50$ for the box set of movies he has never seen and is dubious about, is pure insanity.

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    What I personally took away from the video PSA:

    'See this poor token production worker? See her frazzled hair!? Doesnt she look pathetic?'

    See me? I am in my fancy suit, and have perfect teeth-- Isn't it terrible that you would cause me to take money away from this poor frazzled worker because you would dare upset the apple cart?

    Never-mind that I am obviously not hurting for money (As seen by my quarterly finance reports), or that I am a lieing shyster who personally is responsible for this poor token floor worker's plight because I care about my corporate bonuses more than her and her welfare---OR that I am being a hypocritical bastard by passing that blame on to you...

    Just Pretend that simply isn't the case and embrace the fantasy we spin for you about how it is YOUR fault she suffers, and it's all because you don't impulse blanket-buy everything we shit out on store shelves blindly! (In fact, she probably isnt even a real sound boom operator to begin with, and is probably some poor soul we conned into thinking might get an acting career if she did this humiliation gig, whom we will probably never call on again.)

    That you would take these DVDs for free and 'force' me to fire this woman (Again, because I value my own bonus more than her or her employment-- but never-mind that) whom I barely pay purely out of my own greed and do legal gymnastics to get out of responsibility for; Why that makes you a disgusting person! You should be ashamed of yourself!'

    Message brought to you by the federal Homeland Security Administration.

  19. Nobody would give a shit. by Seumas · · Score: 2

    As Techdirt writes: 'Could you imagine how the press would react if, say, the FDA ran PSAs that were created and owned by McDonald's without making that clear to the public?

    As opposed to the FACT that the heads of the FDA are always major industry players who have or will work for the same companies that they're overseeing? Like Monstanto people working in the FDA?

    How about if the Treasury Department ran a PSA created and owned by Goldman Sachs?

    As opposed to the FACT that the department itself is run by Goldman Sachs people (such as Henry Paulson) who pushed through to give Goldman Sachs billions of dollars during the whole manufactured "the world is going to end!" financial problems?

    Well, chances are, NOBODY WOULD GIVE A SHIT. They didn't give a shit bout these facts. Nothing is being burned down and nobody is being chased with pitchforks. Nobody gives a shit and nobody will give a shit about the actions of the DHS until it is too late to legally voice your giving a shit about the actions of the DHS.

  20. Re:Doesn't matter who made it. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

    If the government didn't pay for it, then it should be broadcast as an NBC PSA, not as an ICE PSA.

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  21. Re:Surprise surpriseee by unity100 · · Score: 2

    what you dont seem to understand is that boosting something you deem as a 'human nature problem' by institutionalizing and encouraging that problem is not the way to solve that problem.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

    there is no difference in between feudalism and capitalism. latter is just a 'free for all' version of the former, until an established hierarchy totally settles.

  22. Obligatory by techwrench · · Score: 2
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