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Turkish Police Nab 32 Suspects Tied To Anonymous

wiredmikey writes "Following the arrest of three alleged 'Anonymous' members by Spanish authorities on Friday, Turkey's state-run news agency has reported that police have detained 32 individuals allegedly linked to the hacktivist group. The Anatolia news agency said today that the suspects were taken into custody after conducting raids in a dozen cities for suspected ties to Anonymous. The group recently targeted Web sites of the country's telecommunications watchdog, the prime minister's office and parliament as a protest to Turkey's plans to introduce Internet filters."

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  1. or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by jsepeta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's also possible that Turkey is cracking down on dissidents, using Anonymous as a cover story.

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    1. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We do seem to be the new villains. And easy to villainize, I suppose. We have no one voice to decry actions of others, no standard that can be recognized, no motive that can be twisted for someone's benefit. Although some have tried. Once this kind of crackdown comes to our shores (yes I am wearing a tin-foil hat), it will we more along the lines of "Suspected pedophile and member of Anonymous..." Posted Anonymously.

    2. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by mjwx · · Score: 4, Funny

      it's also possible that Turkey is cracking down on dissidents, using Anonymous as a cover story.

      A fine upstanding nation like Turkey,

      Surely you jest.

      Sent from my ethnic Armenian.

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    3. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, it's not like there isn't rhyme or reason to what comes out of a 4chan mob. The members generally lash out at things -- especially things that are arbitrary and belonging to conventional power structures. Also, there's a strong bias towards things that are in that demographic's field of vision. Just like here, a holy shitstorm gets raised about Sony's transgressions because they actually play their games and use their products -- in absolute terms and with more holistic foresight, it would be something like Goldman Sachs instead.

      To piss off Anonymous the most, come in with hypocritical, fit-for-a-fifth-grader morality and attempt to define things like social norms. To please Anonymous, be an attractive young woman who periodically takes pictures of herself, has some degree of confidence and rehashes and without overt intention redefines -chan culture.

      ...Oh, you mean just anonymous like the two of us... not quite as easy to define, but very easy to disingenuously call dangerous and "linked to others."

    4. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by vajorie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nah, it's more probable that these were regular papas and mamas with virus-infested / botnetted PCs or open / wep wireless APs. According to BTK's statements, they were gonna go after folk based on their IP addresses.

    5. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We do seem to be the new villains. And easy to villainize, I suppose. We have no one voice to decry actions of others, no standard that can be recognized, no motive that can be twisted for someone's benefit. Although some have tried. Once this kind of crackdown comes to our shores (yes I am wearing a tin-foil hat), it will we more along the lines of "Suspected pedophile and member of Anonymous..." Posted Anonymously.

      I love how at the _same time_ people think "information should be free", "once something is online it will be there forever", and "the Internet routes around censorship like damage", they believe anonymity exists as if all the above doesn't apply to digital access logs, billing records, CCTV, etc.

      Your anonymity is on borrowed time, and I hope you've enjoyed squandering it on stupid shit for laughs.

    6. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Since you are Armenian, you are biased.

      Maybe the GGP is not Armenian or even European, but has left an allusion to some bad recent history of Turkey.

      Sent from my Kurd.

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    7. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Many anons used their own net connection after someone said that the chances of getting caught using LOIC were virtually zero. The majority of anons are clueless script kiddies and LOIC is designed to be a one-click DDOS tool for them.

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    8. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, it's not like there isn't rhyme or reason to what comes out of a 4chan mob. The members generally lash out at things -- especially things that are arbitrary and belonging to conventional power structures. Also, there's a strong bias towards things that are in that demographic's field of vision. Just like here, a holy shitstorm gets raised about Sony's transgressions because they actually play their games and use their products -- in absolute terms and with more holistic foresight, it would be something like Goldman Sachs instead.

      To piss off Anonymous the most, come in with hypocritical, fit-for-a-fifth-grader morality and attempt to define things like social norms. To please Anonymous, be an attractive young woman who periodically takes pictures of herself, has some degree of confidence and rehashes and without overt intention redefines -chan culture.

      ...Oh, you mean just anonymous like the two of us... not quite as easy to define, but very easy to disingenuously call dangerous and "linked to others."

      The problem with that logic is that it is based on the assumption that Anonymous == 4-chan and it doesn't allow for the sabotage factor. Bear in mind that even if only one member of 4-chan is involved they'd find it hard not to tell the world about it - and if they're not from 4-chan (cough) they'd deliberately muddy the waters to hide their identity. Anyone wanting to discredit any anonymous action (and the lower-case a is deliberate) only has to add a 4-chan element to it. Feeding stupid people fake proof of their own fears is the easiest way to manipulate them - it's not like they're ever going to check the facts - and even when presented with evidence to negate their beliefs - the massive emotional investment they've made in their (stupid) opinions is one they will never challenge.

      Sound a little tin foil hat? Then maybe a little study of history is in order.

      The world is a complex place full of people incapable of grasping even limited complexity - with a shortage of facts they jump to conclusions that compliment their own fears and failings. Teenage hackers with paedophile ascendancies and a hatred of the established order - "Yeah I can picture that"

      Be careful what you believe. What happens to you could be happening to others. eg. someone accuses you of something you. did. not. do. - then they are saying nothing of you and speaking volumes of themselves.

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    9. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by Dilaudid · · Score: 3

      I agree. The party line seems to be "Things like Wikileaks are good, because they deny privacy to other people. Things like car number plate recognition are bad, because they deny privacy to us." I personally hope that personal privacy is eroded at the expense of public information. I'm here to learn, not to cheat, and I'm not afraid of anyone.

    10. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure you do! You see the cover story fulfills two purposes, one it keeps the government from looking bad on the world stage, as you can't just say "cracking down on dissidents" without everyone thinking Tienanmen Square, and two it makes them easier to prosecute!

      You see most folks look at a PC as a magic black box, it lets them chat to their friends, post pictures, but it is a strange thing and a little scary, especially with all that talk of ID theft and cyberterrorists. By sticking everyone with the Anon label, complete with that picture of the empty suit that Anon uses and the Guy Fawkes masks, it makes it even more scary to the average public so nobody will say squat when they drop them down a dark hole and forget where the hole is!

      So you see friend Anon will be used the same way "suspected pedo" and "suspected terrorist" is used here in the USA. It is a one stop shop to do whatever you want to an individual as long as you are sure to stick that label on first. Frankly we shouldn't be surprised as governments can always use another bogeyman and Anon walked right into it with all the headlines they've been grabbing lately.

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    11. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 2

      Or as a threat to anonymous; ie: "ok you are random people. We will just start grabbing random people every time you attack us. We get justice you end up responsible for murder. You jelly?"

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    12. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They don't think "information should be free" at all. Do you think they'd apply the same standards to themselves as they do to the enemy du jour ? By far, the most used attack vector is the fact that people don't use unique passwords. Do you think they find people have the right to know their password has been downloaded (generally, no cracking tools are involved. Encryption is not the weak point of site's defenses. Idiocy is) ? Get real.

      Once you actually visit a few of these boards you have to admit the big part of their motivation is "wow I can steal without getting caught. Free stuff !" and another big part is self-congratulation (esp. in the defacing).

      Their motivations are not the fight for freedom, morality and goodwill for all.

      I actually get the impression that they are enemies of freedom. They are certainly enemies of any freedom to fairly produce software, even when we're talking about GPL software. I don't really get why slashdotters would support them.

    13. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by m50d · · Score: 2

      No freedom is real unless you squander it on stupid shit for laughs

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    14. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >"Things like Wikileaks are good, because they deny privacy to other people"

      Only if you consider governments to be people. There is a fundamental difference between privacy in official governmental capacity or (to a limited extent) by a public figure and the privacy of an individual person.

      I think you'll change your tune about privacy the first time you don't get hired because of something you posted on Slashdot, can't get a loan because you associate with the wrong people on Facebook or can't get health insurance because you visited websites on cancer. It will be too late then, of course.

    15. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

      especially things that are arbitrary and belonging to conventional power structures

      Like what, Habbo Hotel?

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    16. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mustapha Kemal Ataturk didn't perpetuate the Armenian Genocide, that was Ismail Enver Pasha, War Minister of the Ottoman Empire and his Committee of Union and Progress colleagues. Mustapha Kemal was too busy fighting World War I to exterminate Armenians.

      Certainly, Turkey has never taken responsibility for the Genocide, even when Ataturk was in charge, so you could say he had a hand in denying it, but that doesn't make him Hitler. More like those Japanese who after the war, refused to acknowledge the war crimes perpetrated by their army in Asia.

      Ataturk's major program was the secularization and Westernization of the Turkish state. He got rid of the Caliphate, made people start dressing like Westerners in Turkey, changed the role of women and enforced a policy of Islam being controlled by the government, rather than Islam controlling the government or being part of it. His methods were forceful and he was pretty much a dictator most of the time, which has certainly colored his reputation a bit. However, he was also responsible for ordering opposition parties to come into being and ultimately his program allowed Turkey to become more or less a democracy and avoid becoming an Islamist shithole like the rest of the Middle East has.

      Of course, I have no interest in living in Turkey compared to say, Western Europe or America. It's still got some serious issues that would not make me feel particularly comfortable living there. That said, if I was given a choice of living in Turkey or some other Muslim-majority state, Turkey would win hands-down.

    17. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Informative

      They went after The Church of Scientology, HB Gary and apparently the Turkish government. Those are pretty damn "real" targets considering the first is known the kill people, the second is involved with the CIA and the last is a national Government.

    18. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by MachDelta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Free speech does not guarantee the right to be heard.
      If you showed up at a rally and tried to yell out your one little opinion at the top of your lungs, you'd probably be drowned out by the crowd. Is that stifling free speech?
      Same thing with a DDOS. Their website is temporarily drowned out by the angry masses. That's not censorship, that's just finding yourself on the side of a minority. And anyways - eventually the crowd will move on and you'll be able to hear yourself think again. Same with anon.
      IMO anyways.

    19. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by Synerg1y · · Score: 2

      DDOS / DOS attacks can be a pre-cursor for a far more malicious exploit. Lose the ignorance, think Sony. Going back to the topic though, accusations don't mean convictions and I'm willing to be it's a combination of posts & probably IP logs from the DDOS tool that got these people busted. On an individual level, I'm not sure how illegal it is to stream packets at an IP, but I'm not considering intent / circumstances as it's unavailable here. All in all, the nail that sticks out gets hammered. Somebody with the know how to get through million dollar IDS & IPS systems has demonstrated that they are above the concept. Still, I have a feeling this whole situation is going to make the internet a much less free place, start reading on SSL tunnels & off-shore server hosting?

    20. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Anonymous goons twist their own motives! One members claimed that the Spanish DOS attacks were "civil disobedience". Ignorance of this term either this points to new heights of cynicism or new lows in public education.

      Not anonymous.

    21. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      They don't call it Turkey because it's like Greece. They call it Turkey because that is what it is, and always has been, Turkey.

      Actually, Turkey was a major center of Greek culture before the Turks completed their conquest of Anatolia from the Byzantines. Many of the people living there were ethnically Greek, especially on the western coast and in Constantinople. That influence continued for centuries, only being lessened when the Greeks began declaring independence in Greece from the Ottoman Empire.

      More to the point, Turkey is not a state that has been unduly influenced by either Arab nationalism (they are not Arabs) nor Islamist doctrine (they are secular). This does make them more like Greece than Syria, although the Greeks and Turks hate each others guts.

    22. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 2

      Teenage hackers with paedophile ascendancies

      And how is THAT supposed to work?!

      Um, they're working their way *up* to paedophilia.... from anime?

    23. Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      What you neglect to mention is that all of the nations in the world are guilty of the crimes you mention.

  2. A suspiciously round number. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thirty-two? That is a suspiciously round number.

    Conspiracy theorists will be happy.

    1. Re:A suspiciously round number. by JumperCable · · Score: 3, Funny

      Little did they know that Anonymous has already upgraded to a 64-bit hacktivist system. Long gone are the days of the 2-bit hacktivist.

  3. Now the real "lulz" begin for those hacktivists. by Vandil+X · · Score: 3, Funny

    As they called it in Office Space: Federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison. No conjugal visits, either. Better beat someone up on their first day.

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  4. Re:hmmmm by Jurily · · Score: 3, Insightful

    i have a hard time believing that they have enough people part of anon, to get 32 caught at once... cover story?

    Is it so hard to believe 32 of them were dumb enough?

  5. Like the cloud... by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems people like to consider "Anonymous" to be like "the cloud". The cloud is everywhere and nowhere, boxes and fuzzy lines on a chart. It is a mystery what goes there. "Anonymous" is everyone and no one, no leaders, no members. But at the end of the day, "the cloud" ultimately resolves into individual servers with an IP address, and "Anonymous" resolves into individual people with a computer and an IP address who did or didn't do something as part of the group on any given day. DDOS once, and you were in on that attack, forever, even if it is only once. Now that "Anonymous" is attacking government institutions on a regular basis, I think life will be much more exciting for them, especially since they seem to be showing poor taste in targets.

    The interesting thing is, due to the nature of their collective, they can really only admit to attacks, but can't effectively deny them. I wonder how many purely criminal organizations or foreign intelligence agencies are having their members participate as cover?

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    1. Re:Like the cloud... by Xest · · Score: 2

      There generally seems to be two types of members of anonymous when it comes to this type of thing, there's those who just hope on the DDOS bandwagon from their home computer and hope the sheer number of users involved in the DDOS will protect them in an "I'm spartacus!" kind of way, then there's those who actually know how to hack.

      Those getting arrested seem to be the former type, because they're easily traced from a single IP. It's these folk I believe who attacked Visa, Mastercard and so forth.

      In contrast, those who actually know how to hack will proxy through a number of machines before ever connecting with their target. If they're routing through a number of systems like this, in a number of jurisdictions, then it's unlikely they'll be caught. Say they hop from their PC in the US, through a system in China, then one in Russia, one in Venezuela, one in Colombia, one in France and then hit their end target then anyone wishing to trace them will only see the French IP. This means they have to either check the logs on the French system and trace back, or hope the hacker has left some kind of clue behind. If the logs do not exist for the system, if the authorities in charge of the country which the system resides in are not interested in helping the investigation, and if the hacker has left no clues, then what exactly can be done to trace them? Even one system for which no logs are stored in a country like Venezuela which may not support say a US investigation might be enough to avoid ever being caught, but each additional hop is going to give you an additional layer of security.

  6. wat by Lysander7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I seriously doubt there are 32 members of Anonymous's inner circle tied to the hacks, much less all in Turkey. Chance are they detained /b/tards that are guilty of nothing more than posting pony threads and trolling, thinking all of Anonymous knows anything about hacking. And judging by the pics on the site, I doubt it's even legit.

    1. Re:wat by Xybot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pony threads must be met with the harshest of possible penalties.

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  7. Identify someone in Anonymous? by complete+loony · · Score: 4, Funny

    Once you identify an individual member of anonymous don't they immediately cease being a member?

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  8. Re:hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i have a hard time believing that they have enough people part of anon, to get 32 caught at once... cover story?

    I'm pretty sure that a simple scan for LOIC packets by an ISP on the planet would find at least a couple dozen people. They did not say they were core members, or hardcore hackers, or even members. But regardless, they said "With ties to". So... parents, siblings, children, friends, bartender, people who live within a mile, you get the idea.

  9. Re:hmmmm by Xest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Spanish arrests were simply of people who used LOIC, the DDOS tool directly from their home PC making them trivially traceable by their PC.

    It's possible these arrests in Turkey are precisely the same type.

    The people who have been doing the real hacks for anonymous like the HBGary hack are probably much less likely to be caught.

  10. Re:Now the real "lulz" begin for those hacktivists by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do you think a member of Anonymous would be getting a conjugal visit if he wasn't in prison?

  11. Re:hmmmm by wvmarle · · Score: 2

    The people who have been doing the real hacks for anonymous like the HBGary hack are probably much less likely to be caught.

    Indeed. That are people that actually know what they are doing. And if it's indeed users of some simple DDOS tool, then that also explains the fairly high number of people rounded up.

  12. Re:Equation by wvmarle · · Score: 3

    In that case they're lucky that at least some people have been caught. Otherwise you'd get a division by zero error.

  13. Re:hmmmm by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The people who have been doing the real hacks for anonymous like the HBGary hack are probably much less likely to be caught.

    Indeed. They are people that actually know what they are doing. And if it's indeed users of some simple DDOS tool, then that also explains the fairly high number of people rounded up.

    And if I recall my history correctly - all revolutions required sacrifices (red herrings, expendables). That's why rallies are mass exercises - helps the long-term (committed) activists survive - so a certain amount of fools will always be tolerated and encouraged. Take a look around the world at where rebellions are daily affairs - see those kids throwing rocks and being arrested? They're part of a larger movement, they're expendable, and because they are, the authorities are tied up which makes it a lot harder to track down the real activists. Historically rebellions have deliberately sacrificed their own just to force the general population to pick a side - it's hard for Mum and Dad not to think about the issues when number one son is hooked up to the generator. Play the game long enough and sooner or later the operator of the generator will find their own family strapped to the chair.

  14. Re:MIDNIGHT EXPRESS BROUGHT TO A HALT !! by Smallpond · · Score: 2

    Ha! We've found another one! Here's the evidence:

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13, @02:24AM (#36422702)

  15. Re:Now the real "lulz" begin for those hacktivists by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2

    Destroying peoples' lives and work online isn't funny either, but Anonymous and its ilk haven't really thought that through.

    Welcome to immature pranks.

    Thought puzzle: if you want to create a future with open rational discussion about a variety of issues, is making people afraid of being hacked and 'outed' the way to get there? No, its the way to create silence and fear.

    Anonymous is counter-productive.

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  16. big corps and pawns by danbuter · · Score: 2

    As soon as Anonymous went after Sony and the banks, the corps got the governments to nail them. Anonymous would have been safe if they kept their activities aimed at less powerful entities. In any case, I bet most of these guys are just low level pawns for the real hackers.