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Studying the Impact of Lost Shipping Containers

swellconvivialguy writes "Looking at a picture of the world's largest container ship, it's easy to visualize how 10,000 containers fall overboard from these vessels every year. Scientists from the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute are now undertaking the Lost Container Cruise, an attempt to gauge the effects of shipping containers lost at sea by studying a tire-filled container, which marine biologists discovered in the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary. (The research [PDF] is being funded by a multi-million dollar settlement with the operators of the Med Taipei, the ship that lost the cargo.) The work is not unlike studying a deep water shipwreck: Use robotic submarine to take pictures and collect sediment samples; repeat."

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  1. Can't they tie them down? by yog · · Score: 2

    Wow, 10,000? Why don't they use chains or something to hold those bad boys down in choppy waters? Or, I don't know, built steel railings along the perimeters? Or inter-locking Lego-like attachments between containers?

    I guess the good news is that they will mostly sink down into the muddy bottom and be out of the way. You wouldn't want those things floating on the surface like icebergs or something.

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    1. Re:Can't they tie them down? by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess the good news is that they will mostly sink down into the muddy bottom and be out of the way.

      Strangely most of them float, as ocean yachtsmen will testify; they're a serious hazard.

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    2. Re:Can't they tie them down? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to Wikipedia there are around 18 million shipping containers in the world that make over 200 million trips per year. Which means that 10,00 lost at sea each year is just a drop in the bucket. Spending any significant amount of money to reduce that number would not be a worthwhile expenditure.

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    3. Re:Can't they tie them down? by kidgenius · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Consider a few scenarios....

      Let's say it goes overboard and you don't realize it until you get to port. Now, you have to send a ship out to pick it up, and you have no clue where it is. Currents and storms could've pushed that container to who knows where, and that's assuming they floated instead of sunk. How long do you search for it? Searching at all would cost orders of magnitudes more than the container is likely worth.

      Now, let's say it goes overboard and you DO realize it. Do you stop? Follow along as the container floats until another vessel can come pick it up? Those container ships don't have cranes to pick something out of the water with. The cranes are always at the docks. How much does that cost to wait next to a single container (at worst, from a value perspective) while a ship comes and picks it up. What about lost money due to perishables in other containers going bad?

    4. Re:Can't they tie them down? by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>>Picture perfect example of the tragedy of the commons colliding with unregulated capitalism.

      Sadly for you, this is NOT a perfect example because the Ship (and train) containers do interlock like legos and they do tie them down with chains. Shippers really do NOT want to tell their customers, "We lost your cargo," and risk losing them to competitors. They'd prefer to have zero loss.

      But of course zero loss is as impractical as zero downtime for your website or the software you are writing. It's an unrealistic demand.

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    5. Re:Can't they tie them down? by jklovanc · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except for steel railings, the shippers do everything you have mentioned. The reason for no railing is that the containers themselves are the structure and they are stacked far above the hull of the ship.

      Here is the tie down that goes between the containers http://www.tandemloc.com/0_securing/S_AD54000A.asp

      Here is a picture of the lashing used http://www.flickr.com/photos/blueship/137784714/

    6. Re:Can't they tie them down? by dainbug · · Score: 2

      spending any significant amount of money to reduce that number would not be a worthwhile expenditure.

      Well, unless you calculate the real long term damage it does to oceans -> microbes -> plankton -> fish -> humans.

    7. Re:Can't they tie them down? by GreenTom · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's a pic of a container ship after going through rough seas: http://i.imgur.com/4ynah.jpg. I'm stunned that those containers are still on board. Looks like they're chained down, but even metal breaks eventually

    8. Re:Can't they tie them down? by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nice try. 10,000 is a tiny, infinitesimal fraction of the 18,000,000 containers that make 200,000,000 trips every year. I'm surprised it's not more.

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    9. Re:Can't they tie them down? by jonnythan · · Score: 2

      You can't replace someone's mother.

      You can replace a shipping container full of t-shirts.

    10. Re:Can't they tie them down? by gblackwo · · Score: 2

      It is a drop in the bucket.

      You have a poor argument to begin with because as vehicles become safer, drivers in general are more comfortable and feel safer to the point that they drive more recklessly thus defeating the advantages of fancy brake and steering systems. The only easily viable way of actually protecting drivers from themselves on average would be to have race car quality roll cages.

    11. Re:Can't they tie them down? by GreenTom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The data doesn't really support your claim. Between 1920 and 2000, the rate of fatal automobile accidents per vehicle-mile decreased by a factor of about 17. No idea if that's better technology, drunk driving laws, better educated drivers, better roads or whatever, but the idea that transportation safety can't be influenced just doesn't hold up.

      Despite libertarians wishes, policy actually does matter.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_United_States

    12. Re:Can't they tie them down? by zebs · · Score: 5, Funny

      There are no cell towers in the ocean, as far as I know.

      Apart from the ones that fell off the ship.

    13. Re:Can't they tie them down? by frosty_tsm · · Score: 2

      Actual GPS is actually pretty cheap, but knowing where you are isn't very helpful unless you also have a way of telling someone where that is so that they can come pick you up. You need a radio or satellite transmitter that's capable of relaying your coordinates to someone who's on land, or at least a few hundred miles off. That's what makes it expensive, not so much the GPS portion of the device.

      Sea-going, radio-based distress beacons are an established technology for boats of any size. My understanding is that they carry their signal pretty far, even if it is low-tech.

    14. Re:Can't they tie them down? by a_nonamiss · · Score: 2

      I believe you are incorrect. Sirf Star III and IV chipsets are less than $20 - $30. That's not cell tower GPS, that's real GPS. How else would you explain why my $70 Garmin Forerunner watch can provide me with longitude/latitude on an airplane or in the middle of an ocean? Of course, that's just the price of a chip. You need a power supply and some sort of transmitter to relay the data back to somewhere, but I'd imagine that they could purpose-design a system like this for well under a couple hundred dollars, when purchased in bulk. Considering a new shipping container costs around $2000, it doesn't sound too unreasonable. And it'll have benefits for the shipper as well. I'd imagine an average container could easily contain a couple hundred thousand dollars worth of merchandise. A single recovered container could pay for thousands of GPS systems.

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    15. Re:Can't they tie them down? by Cramer · · Score: 2

      Also note, only the level at deck level is tied down -- most ships stack *much* higher than the deck. And there appear to be no pins between the containers.

    16. Re:Can't they tie them down? by guruevi · · Score: 2

      The problem is not necessarily the chips as you say yourself it's the communications. And those chips may be cheap but the amount of power required to send something from the bottom of the ocean is going to require a big battery.

      Then you have the data transfer costs, satellite communications are not cheap. And then you still haven't recovered the item. Boats are not very efficient nor very fast and require a full crew. Deep-sea recovery takes weeks and is even more expensive not to say dangerous.

      The US military doesn't even want to spend the resources to recover their nuclear missiles that are in known locations. Why would you think a container full of teddy bears, gym shoes or even iPads are worth the expense? Because even if you recover them, most likely they will not be functional, the cargo will be corroded or halfway eaten by the local population.

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    17. Re:Can't they tie them down? by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 2

      I was talking about those that floated

    18. Re:Can't they tie them down? by catmistake · · Score: 2

      one giant container ship can emit almost the same amount of cancer and asthma-causing chemicals as 50m cars

      Appears OP confused greenhouse gases with poison gases. Idiot. Looks like were OK then.

    19. Re:Can't they tie them down? by Duhavid · · Score: 2

      This ignores the issues of what is in the container, how does it degrade with time and is it toxic or become toxic with time.

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    20. Re:Can't they tie them down? by jmn2519 · · Score: 2

      He means serious hazard. Most of them ride really low in the water making them almost impossible to see - especially at night. Slamming into one of these can cause damage up to and including sinking your boat.

    21. Re:Can't they tie them down? by networkBoy · · Score: 2

      Cat doesn't do crap for NOx and SOx.
      Cat oxidizes unburnt HC fuel, which is a much more potent smog generator than NOx/SOx and a bigger greenhouse gas than CO2.

      NOx can be reduced by reduction of combustion temps, at an increase of unburnt HC fuel.
      SOx requires that the fuel be low in sulfur to begin with. Not much of an issue with gasoline, but an issue with diesel and kerosene fuels.
      -nB

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    22. Re:Can't they tie them down? by Demolition · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you look at those two green containers on the far right, hanging in the air with nothing supporting them, I'd say they must be secured in some fashion, otherwise, they could not possibly be where they are. The containers on the left seem to be hanging in the air as well. That circumstance would be adequately explained with chains.

      I worked at a container terminal while putting myself through university, many years ago. This is why those containers in the photo are still stuck together...

      A device called an intermodal box connector (AKA "IBC", a hefty steel pin with a twistlock mechanism) is used to connect containers to each other. They fit into holes (four on the top, two on the bottom) on the corners of the container.

      This is the usual method for loading and locking them together: A container is dropped onto a ship and locked down (via IBCs welded to the deck). Then, four IBCs are placed in the top holes of the container and another container is lowered. The IBCs slide into the four holes on the bottom of the new container and their twistlocks are turned. No chains are required. For extra safety, some companies erect a steel scaffold/frame around the outside of a block of containers to keep them from swaying in rough seas. Otherwise, the IBCs are the only things holding the containers together.

    23. Re:Can't they tie them down? by dwywit · · Score: 2

      IIRC the latest standards require them to have water-soluble plugs in them, that take ~3 days to dissolve, i.e. you've got 3 days to locate and retrieve your "lost" container, otherwise it will fill and sink to reduce the shipping hazard.

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  2. Re:Lost vs. "Lost" by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have no that that a large number of cargo containers really do fall off during bad weather or whatever, but I wonder what percentage of that 10,000 are lost at sea vs. "lost at sea" while the dock workers look the other way.

    While some of the contents of my shipping container mysteriously vanished on the way across the Atlantic, I can't help but feel that someone is going to notice if a dock worker tries to drive out of the docks with a forty-foot container sticking out of the trunk of their car.

  3. Future shock by frisket · · Score: 2
    Marine archaeologists of the future are going to have a ball examining all these boxes on the seabed.

    "We believe that late 20th century humans had a variety of cults, worshipping (among other totems) rubber models of ducks and some strange-looking footwear..."

  4. Re:Really lost? I wonder. by kidgenius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Transferring isn't really viable. These ships don't have cranes on em. How in the world would you, at sea, pluck a container from the top of the stack and move it to another boat? Helicopter? That's a logistical and economical nightmare for a couple of containers....

  5. Re:Lost vs. "Lost" by StikyPad · · Score: 2

    Indeed. And even if the shipping companies didn't care, there's the whole customs thing -- most oceanic freight is international, not intra-national. Even though customs is a joke, it would be sort of difficult to claim that a container was lost at sea after it cleared customs.

  6. Just more junk on the seafloor by Isaac-1 · · Score: 2

    This reminds me of a photograph a friend of mine showed me years ago from a dive trip to the Red Sea. While there on a dive at a random site (live aboard dive boat), they ran across a contrainer on the bottom in about 80 feet of water that had broken open, of all the possible treasures it might have contained it was full of toilets. The photo showed a diver sitting on an upright one in the pile of toilets.

    1. Re:Just more junk on the seafloor by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Nope, that's a crapload of toilets!

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  7. Enviromental Impact of Study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Next they can do an environmental impact of the study that studied the lost container.
    How much fossil fuel was used by the sub going down there to get samples.
    How much damage did the sub do by disturbing the site.
    How many trees were used to print the journal the research was published in.

  8. cargo lost gallery by k6mfw · · Score: 2

    Wasn't there a similar post about cargo lost? I bookmarked this page on "Gallery of Transport Loss -- Photos & Lessons of Disaster" at http://www.cargolaw.com/gallery.html and oh man are there zillions of photos of all kinds of transport accidents. Some cargo damaged at ports but the amount lost at sea is staggering! Though be careful as this site is interesting and can become a huge timepit surfing through all the pics.

    All kinds of disasters including "Meals Ready to Explode" (ya know all them MREs with water activated heaters, what about containers filled with MREs with their heaters and water gets inside), http://www.cargolaw.com/2001nightmare_mre2.html

    Here's an interesting mention from the cargolaw webpage:
    "We are frequently asked the question: Do Containers Float? Why yes, they do -- at least for a while depending upon the container age, whether there are holes and the volume of air within the stow. There are many documented cases of partially submerged containers -- floating just at the surface which have been hazards to navigation. In Year 2000 the entire crew of the F/V Solway Harvester fishing trawler perished when their vessel struck a partially submerged container in the North Sea -- laden with mayonnaise. You probably have never considered mayonnaise to be dangerous. "

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  9. Loading order by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article should really look a bit into why container ships are loaded the way they are. The article contends, with no fact to support this contention, that one of the issue is that heavy containers that are loaded high on the sip are a major cause of the issue. Their solution is to load heavy containers first. Lets look into what would be required to do this feat.

    1a. Every time a container come it it would be sorted by size so that the large one would be easily accessed first.
        Issues:
                containers come in one at a time over quite a long period of time. what happens if many light ones come after all the heavy ones? The heavy ones get burried.
    1b. Alternately, sort the containers before they are loaded.
            This would require more space and handling each container at least one additional time.

    Lets assume that all the heavy containers are in the bottom of the ship. The article neglects the fact that container ships usually make more than one offloading stop. They are currently loaded so that the containers can be unloaded at each stop while still maintaining the balance of the ship. If the heavy containers are at the bottom, it would require unloading containers above the heavy containers, unloading the heavy containers and re-loading the light containers. This takes time and space.

    Every minute a container ship is tied up at a dock costs money. The sorting and excess loading/unloading take time. Most ports are also very crowded and do not have the space required to do the sorting of containers to make sure heavy containers are loaded lower. There is also a limited number of berths for container ships. The longer a ship is in port means fewer ships can be loaded and unloaded by that port.

    One final point, everything breaks. Even light containers go overboard. A perfect example is the container full of tires. Compared to shipments such as metals, tires are relatively light but a container full of them still went overboard. Given rough enough water even an empty container can break loose.

    Here are some of the parameters that container loading software uses to place containers on a ship.
            the weight of each container being handled
            which port each container will be unloaded at
            if the container is refrigerated, and needs to be plugged in during the voyage
            if the container’s contents are hazardous, as these could be potentially explosive if placed next to a refrigerated container
            advising Customs of the ship’s arrival and reporting the cargo on board
            the order in which the containers will be loaded and unloaded.
    A lot of science goes into the efficient loading and unloading of containers; sorting by weight is taken into account but not the overriding consideration.

  10. Re:Lost vs. "Lost" by onepoint · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it's rather simple, the way a container get's lost is ...
    a) declared not lifted by the crane operator and marks his list showing that he lifted only 1 less than what he really lifted.
    b) that container is placed on a truck, and stacked near the empties.
    c) wait for the late gate to be opened one day, and have a yard hauler move it over to someone warehouse. ( the late gate is not
    that effective in counting containers leaving the port, that gate is good for last minute cargo that has to make it to the vessel or export.)
    d) unload container
    e) give the container to a buddy at the scrap yard he grinds it and it's gone.

    I once lost a container at the port. I was warned that once I was at the port, I might not make it back ( containers do fall, even on windless days ),
    so I went to the port with a few people, paid a union man to drive me around and stick to my side like butter on bread ( ever see a union port worker nervous )
    and by pot luck found my container. What they did not know at that time is that I was renting P&O and Cast Line containers for redeliver back to china, so these containers were blue, rather easy to see, and I quickly found it. the export cargo was worth in excess of 400K and I did not want this customer to go to another shipper.

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