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IBM Turns 100
adeelarshad82 writes "On this day in 1911, IBM started as the Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company (C-T-R). It wasn't until 1924 that the company changed their name to IBM. Needless to say that a 100-year milestone is quite the feat. While some of us might know IBM for its recent "Jeopardy"-playing Watson computer, a look back shows that IBM has a long history of innovation, from cheese slicers (yes, really) and the tech behind Social Security to the UPC bar code and the floppy disk. One of the most notable leaps of faith IBM took was in 1964 with the introduction of System/360, a family of computers that started the era of computer compatibility. To date the company has invested nearly $30 billion in technology."
Let's not forget helping the Nazi's round up undesirables!
A fantastic achievement, Here's to the next 100 years.
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Here's to the Big Iron! Happy Birthday IBM!
The purpose of existence is to make money.
And won't make another 100. This company has sold out the American worker and America the country that made it what it was. Get lost IBM and take the last American sell out corporate greed company with you. What do they even make anymore?
IBM, UBM we all BM for IBM!
Couldn't resist.....
Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman. Believing what he read made him mad.
I worked for a large organization in Chicago that had the "gold" IBM support contract back in the early 90s; they would show up at 2 am Sunday morning to replace a keyboard if necessary. Our main contact was a guy who had been with the company for 30+ years and he would mention some of the things he'd had to fix, in addition to the standard computer stuff: scales for weighing meat in the meat packing district and the thing that was most surprising: the clock on the Wrigley Building. Apparently IBM didn't actually out-and-out make the clock mechanism but had bought some company that had and they inherited the support contract. He mentioned having to get some gears specially made when it broke down.
The thing I thought was so ahead of its time was the wireless device he had that was essentially a large, two-line blackberry that he'd carry on his shoulder with a strap; it would beep and he'd flip the cover open, read the message, then type some sort of response. I remember he'd use it to order parts and within an hour(!) another guy would show up with them, a new ps/2 mouse, a monitor, or a reel-to-reel tape drive for the as/400. I was surprised IBM never thought to market that device; much like Apple is reluctant to talk about their ipod touch-based POS terminals, he wasn't too keen about showing it off or even talking about it.
Does 30 billion seem small to anyone else? I assume that number is not normalized for inflation for each investment.
That's my new yardstick for insane figures. When someone says we spent 700 billion bailing out the financial companies, I'm going to picture 20 IBM sized companies funding 100 years of research.
It is amazing to me that - back when I graduated university in '92 - people were foretelling the death knoll for IBM. Next thing I know, I'm working on programming ASP.NET using JCL on zSeries machines fifteen years later.
Now, we're using Rational and Eclipse to manage Websphere projects.
Go figure.
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They also gave us that.
And Thinkpads.
I think the latter makes up for the former.
IBM as an innovator? Didn't see that coming.
When I was growing up, it was the Personal Computer revolution, led by Microsoft, Apple and (for a while) Commodore. IBM missed the boat on what PCs meant to corporate computing and let something called a "server" into the datacenter as a result. In response, IBM retreated and launched its insanely profitable services division built around...wait for it...selling other people's innovations ("best of breed" solutions). And then there was the world wide web.
Anyway, while there have been some gimmicks (the chess-playing computer, the Jeopardy-playing computer), as long as I've been around (thirty-some years), IBM is not what I think when someone says "innovation".
...Indian Business Machine in only the last 20. RIP IBM.
What do they do? Other than being another greedy American outsourcing company what do they do? I don't think they will make another 100 and if they do they won't be in America. Get lost IBM and take the last corporate greedy American company with you you dirty outsourcing sell outs to the country that made you what you are. IBM always did play dirty.
*knell
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
I seem to recall they were in business in the nineteenth century, not as IBM of course. I was working for one of their large customers in 1980, and they said something about being 100 then. I guess they will say they became 'IBM' 100 years ago in 2024. too. Any excuse for a marketing campaign.
The colossal size and huge brand reputation of IBM is enough to keep a company going for a very long time. Long enough, in fact, to change its business model significantly before having to actually face real danger of going under.
We see companies disappearing all the time, but a lot of the time, it's actually due to a merger or acquisition. As long as you can avoid being acquired and having your assets sold at a fire sale by some short term raider or a competitor, businesses have a good chance of weathering bad times if their long term fundamentals are good. Additionally, having sound business practices can also provide you the money and tools to resist being bought out by people who are not in it for the long term.
Of course, today we are used to companies that are built on vapor and return to vapor soon after. Those are basically money pinatas for Wall Street types.
Check out the Power Systems platform, you know, the one that Watson runs on. Single level storage (every byte on disk has a main memory address), programs that can be upgraded from one architecture to the next (32-bit to 64-bit, CISC to RISC) without recompiling and the ability to change partition parameters without rebooting and you will see some serious innovation that others just fantasize about. This was innovative when it came out in 1980 as the System/38 and remains so to this day.
If I used a sig over again, would anyone notice?
It's easy to get confused when it's all three letter acronyms: IBM death knell - JFK death knoll (yes I went there) - D&D death gnoll, it just goes on and on and on.
Who is John Cabal?
When I was growing up, it was the Personal Computer revolution, led by Microsoft, Apple and (for a while) Commodore. IBM missed the boat on what PCs meant to corporate computing
What are you smoking? IBM invented the term PC. When I was growing up (also 30ish), computers were either "IBM compatible", or an Apple. Floppy disks were "IBM format". Hell, I still know people that refer to a non-Mac PC as "an IBM". IBM is synonymous with the PC revolution where I'm from (the US), but maybe it's different where you're from.
And IBM damned near did die then. But they saw what was happening before they actually stopped breathing, and pulled out with a huge change of direction - and a very large number of layoffs.
Consciousness is an illusion caused by an excess of self consciousness.
WTF the balloon with "100" on it meant when I walked into the office this arvo. /contractor /for just 3 more weeks. /Was fun till the outsource crap.
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They used to be in the old terminal at Detroit Metro (since remodeled) and in a few GM plants.
Has there been another company that has driven more change over the last 100 years other than IBM? I think largely because IBM stays out of the consumer markets these days many people in the public don't realize how many back end systems in the world are driven by IBM technologies. Congratulations IBM on 100 years! I wish more companies were able to spend $30 billion on R&D.
You grew up during the "Personal Computer revolution" and managed to entirely miss that corporate desktop computing is based on the IBM PC ?
In fact, quite a few of them are in China.
I rarely respond to comments. Also, don't ask for clarifications: a brain and Google are faster, believe me!
My first job was way back in 1990. I was a "tape monkey" in a data storage and processing centre, working on IBM mainframes, the graveyard shift finishing at 1am. When I was finished for the night I would sneak round to the centre's R&D area and stay there until around 5am reading the manuals and books on the newly emerging PC market and learning about stuff like Oracle and and Ingres. Playing with the PCs and the software ( and making offsite backups of course! ). Learned such a huge range of bits and pieces on all that IBM kit, means I don't mind having a go at anything handed to me these days. Great days and set me up for a career in IT which I still enjoy.
Big deal, Id do it in half the time.
You seem to be confusing 'hype' with 'innovation' if you think it was led by Microsoft and Apple. There is a reason that there were basically 2 PC architectures - Apple, and (wait for it) 'IBM PC Compatible'. One of those completely swamped the other.
You might want to check out whose systems are behind almost any financial transaction you process. At the other end of the scale, you might want to check out whose processors are in every XBox/360, PS/3, and Wii.
Maybe you have a GPS - want to take a guess on whose semiconductor (SiGe) technology is in there?
where IBM kept in contact with its Switzerland headquarters, was in trouble several times with the government for dealing with 'blacklisted' countries, the strings it pulled to get around those limitations, and one of whose officials was denied entry into the US after the war.
and then there are the ways that the subsidiaries, after the war, were brought back into the fold of IBM, along with all the profits they had reaped from their wartime experiences, which were meticulously recorded.
it is not propaganda. almost every line in the entire book is well cited and documented.
we are not talking about Ford here. a truck can be used for anything.
the punch card systems had to be specifically designed, and then an IBM technician had to specifically go and maintain them, they were massively maintenance-intensive pieces of equipment. and punch cards were at the center of a lot of SS operations, including the holocaust (there were machines in the death camps), but also stuff like the Night and Fog decree (there was a hole punch coding for non-existant prisoner or something like that).
Also please remember the first concentration camp was built in 1934, at Dachau. IBM did not stop dealing with Dehomag right up until the US got into the war. It also dealt with subsidiaries in the Netherlands, Hungary, and several other Nazi occupied countries, sometimes surreptitiously through its headquarters in Switzerland.
in France, there a guy, Renee Carmille, who sabotaged the punchcard system, thus saving tens of thousands of Jews from certain death.
we are talking about misconduct, during the war, on a large scale.
All IBM has to do to clear this up is to open it's archives, like every other company has done.
IBM refused to do this.
that is IBM's main problem. Companies like Ford and IG Farben have opened archives and they have even participated in restitution programs.
IBM has not.
the 'bailout' was a lot more than the 700 billion TARP money.
fannie and freddie, for example.
Having worked on their z series machines and put up with the living hell that is z/OS and most of its related products, I think a big part of the reason they're still around is that PHBs will buy from IBM because they trust the name, even if what they're buying is overpriced and nowhere close to the 'best of breed' product. In many cases, the support is not even particularly good. I dread working at a place where you still hear the phrase "we''re an IBM stop". It still amazes me that people actually pay them (large) fees for using their processors. The cost/performance ratio is awful ... I assume that because the money came from operating budgets rather than capital it made some sort of sense to someone.
he was just a dude selling stuff. and fighting patent lawsuits (some things dont change)
I don't see a thread about this, so I will take the opportunity to say: We bitch when they mess with the site but now they got back the comment counts and tags on the front page. That's a good thing. Also cheers to IBM!
Can I light a sig ?
Awesome! It's great to see something that deserves to survive actually make it!
But you forgot the other reason - change is scary.
How many jobs have they shipped off-shore in the last 10 of those 100 years?
IGM has such a better ring to it then IBM. Screw a company who makes money off of innocent people being killed.
What are you smoking? IBM invented the term PC. When I was growing up (also 30ish), computers were either "IBM compatible", or an Apple. Floppy disks were "IBM format". Hell, I still know people that refer to a non-Mac PC as "an IBM". IBM is synonymous with the PC revolution where I'm from (the US), but maybe it's different where you're from.
I have posted on this thread several times defending IBMs still admirable record of genuine innovation, but the "IBM compatible" desktop (now known as the Wintel platform) isn't it. The name "Wintel" tells the story - somebody else's OS and somebody else's processor in a decent-but-not-ground-breaking systems package. The dominance of the IBM compatible was simply a case of the power of market dominance - it was IBM so businesses bought it. Microsoft went on to replicate this model in the 1990s - the market success of so many Microsoft "me too" products being due to its desktop market dominance.
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Valid point!
My aunt was one of those layoffs. She spent 25 years with IBM (in finance) and "retired" early at 55. They gave her the choice of take some early retirement package or be laid off outright.
Of course, she's happy living in northern Washington, well away from San Jose.
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All I can say is Maximo. Fuck You IBM.
"Uh...nothing happened. We certainly didn't sell our tech to a certain German chancellor! We, um.. took a nap. Until 1941."
The resident Space Nutters on this site have assured me many times that we only have computers because we went to the Moon. So we were already on the Moon in 1911?
So far, the comments are the predictable ones I'd expect -- the recent love of offshoring, sell-off of products, etc. But it's pretty amazing to see what they did after almost dying in the late 80s after they missed the client/server and PC boat. I don't agree with a lot of their short sighted moves, but changing from a hardware to a consulting company without people realizing it is an interesting feat.
Stories I've been told describe the IBM prior to this period as a pretty amazing place to work in terms of benefits and the tech you were able to work on. Don't forget that all of that was possible because back in the day, margins on hardware were orders of magnitude higher than they were now. Plus, IBM had a total lock on the mainframe market (still does pretty much, but less work needs to be done in this space now.) When they could get a much higher margin for selling boxes, they could lavish R&D money on the people who designed those boxes, training and salaries on the people who supported them, AND still have plenty left over for the execs and shareholders. You know, the "golden age of computing".... Now, most hardware is in the single-digit percent margin category (except for Apple stuff) and there's no money to be made in it. "Consulting" and managed services will bring in millions more than a hardware purchase; they can throw half the population of India at a customer and still make billions even if it takes longer to get results...which is where we US techies are stuck right now. In particular, the stories of older IBM techies being told to move to India or Brazil or leave paint a pretty sad state of affairs. (Side note, this trend will never reverse until we can kick everyone's hyperfocus on the stock market and corporate earnings. No public company is able to do anything that isn't guaranteed to instantly pay off anymore.)
That said, the hardware they do still make (or at least OEM) is pretty good. And, if you're willing to pay the premium for this gear, System x and BladeCenter support is still done in the US. Documentation is horrible because of the huge decentralized nature of the company, but I've been able to call these guys up and get an answer in 5 minutes. Still, it's kind of ironic that IBM hires teams of customers to come in and basically rewrite the documentation for some of their products (see Redbooks.)
Also, don't forget that IBM is one of the only companies big enough to put serious money into research anymore. In my mind, that's really important. Where are all the CS, physics and EE Ph. D's going to work now that Bell Labs is gone and HP only does product research?
IBM Power Systems are, for the most part marketing hype. I'm an architect at large finance shop and we purchase some IBM hardware. During the refresh of out TSM system, yet another company IBM purchased, we had Power and and IBM System X, their x86 server line, doing sizing. As always Power Systems comes in and put's up these per core performance charts and does a bunch of chest thumping and talk about how they can do 40% more per core and with more cores per chips you can do it with fewer chips. But, when we get configs for a Power System and an IBM System X, power always requires 2-8x more computer power, at least by IBMs PVU, processor value unit, metric. Once you get out of math ops I think Power falls flat on it's face. As far as upgrading goes an app written for one system will typically run on the next system, but often really poorly. At best we'll get similar performance on the newer hardware. Going from power5 to power6 because of the out of order to in order execution switch was horrible, We saw degraded performance across the board and had to re-write/recompile everything. I don't reboot my power boxes as much as my windows boxes, but when I do it takes at least 5 times longer to reboot and bring everything back up. Almost any AIX parameter change we do on AIX requires a reboot and getting a proper answer from IBM is like pulling teeth. I'm just glad we got rid of our IBM cash shredder, I mean mainframe. System Z is the biggest money pit. Is it cool tech, yup, but man it beats up your wallet. After 6 years we finally got all the pieces in place to move our departments remaining mainframe apps to x86, wow what a price difference. We can run the system for 30 years off of the System Z software licensing savings alone.
I'm guessing you haven't done much in your lifetime worth recording. But, I would look into educating yourself.
ClearCase, ClearQuest, Rose... :'(
Can't we just let them die?
With over 3000 researchers, a record 5896 patents filed in 2010 - marking the 18th consecutive year IBM has won the patent filing race it amazes me that there so many ignorant people unaware of the innovation performed by IBM. I guess if it doesn't involve Kinect, prevent you from recording movies with your iPhone or not reported by Engadget then it just isn't relevant. Such is the nature of the current generation of self proclaimed technology savvy idiots.
When the PC first came out it was an IBM. IBM was the sole supplier of "PC's" until commodity hardware companies started getting in the act. This was also when MS slipped through a hole in their agreement with IBM and took over exclusive distributing rights for the OS deployed on commodity hardware. IBM did make the mistake of not taking the PC platform seriously at the beginning and placed their bets on the mid-range and large scale mainframes.
It's even better now that even Apple has switched over to the 'IBM PC Compatible' architecture.
As opposed to the IBM PowerPC that they were using.
This post typed on a 21 years old Industrial IBM Model M that is still working flawlessly. Made in an era where quality products could still be assembled (in the U.S. moreover). Not your average $3 chinese keyboard.
IBM: I love you and at the same the time I hate you for giving that MS-DOS contract to M$ back in the days. How hard did Billy screw you over that one uh and how far would science and technology be if the IT industry had been more reliable instead of constantly coming up with these bluescreens and armies of zombie'd boxen?
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Patents do not always equal innovation. Innovation ships to customers.
So IBM invented the increment operator?
OH MY!
Of course, there for a while, Apple was running on the same Power PC architecture as IBM was using for midrange servers. I believe my Centris 610 has an IBM processor in it.
If I used a sig over again, would anyone notice?
From cash registers to first the computer to win Jeopardy. Amazing.
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From wikipedia page on CTR:
In 1914, having been fired from NCR Corporation and with a prison sentence threatening his future, Thomas J. Watson approached Flint, as a leading financier, for assistance in finding a similar job. Despite his apparently perilous situation he was still very clear as to the type of job he wanted. He had already turned down a number of offers. He wanted control of the business for himself, and be able to earn a share of the profits. Flint offered him CTR. Flint was, as described earlier, a great promoter of trusts and was presumably less worried about Watson's impending jail sentence. The other members of the CTR board were less sanguine, asking who was to run the company while he was in prison. As a result, they only gave him the title of general manager.
Thomas J. Watson Sr., became general manager of CTR in 1914, at a time when he was a convicted criminal:[26] he had been convicted in 1913 of corporate and monopolistic conspiracy for his role in a widespread National Cash Register scheme to blackmail used cash register retailers and run them out of business. (See John Henry Patterson (NCR owner).) Watson's own extortionate writings were used as evidence against him. That lesson taught Watson to thereafter keep very little in writing. After Watson had been at CTR for 11 months the Appeals Court ordered a retrial. Although he refused to sign a Consent Decree, a new trial never took place, and he was duly promoted by the board of CTR to the position of president.
So the die was cast and CTR was joined with Thomas J. Watson, the final paradox being that the true founder of the modern IBM, a moralistic company, was at that time a felon convicted of business practices unacceptable even in a time that was notable for its lack of standards.
I'm sorry, can you please remind me what the I stands for in IBM?
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
When the PC first came out it was an IBM.
I'm pretty sure I recall other companies selling Personal Computers before IBM even go into the market.
Lots of them named for fruit (really, WTF?...) for some reason, Pineapple, Apricot, Kumquat, Orange....
And I'm sure that Tandy, Texas Instruments, Commodore, Atari, Franklin, among a myriad of others would dispute your ill-informed claim.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
'There is a reason...' is something of a historical mess of a sentence. At the release of 8088-based IBM computers, one could still buy Apples (6502, not macs), trs-80's, commodore systems, atari, several 8080 and z80 systems/OS's (mostly CP/M), international alternatives (Acorns, Sinclairs), and niche business systems (wasn't OS-9 out by this time?). Apologies to fellow oldsters for not digging up a comprehensive list or missing your pet system -- many more existed when the IBM PC was released.
Skip ahead a few years, and there were newer commodores, apples, ataris, other brands and various Radio Shack schlockery. There'd also been all sorts of changes on OS's, all sorts of changes under the hood. By then, there was a burgeoning PC-compatible market... and it was beginning to be clear that 'PC-compatible' was going to dominate the future. But the category didn't exist initially, and pretending that it was ever an apple/ibm/microsoft triumvirate is just silly.
Having said that, around this time (1977-1985) nobody seriously considered IBM innovative. Their dominant strength was in delivering stodgy b-side computational function that companies could rationalize buying. Any innovation seen pc-side sprang to life as a 3rd-party product. After a few years, IBM might deign to make their own version.
During their existence, Apple deservedly gets credit for innovation, even if part of their genius has been recognizing underappreciated good ideas and pushing them (xerox parc, etc.).
Through all of this, many other companies should get credit for innovation in networks, printing, software (visicalc, sidekick, turbo * compilers), modems, displays, input, storage, etc.
Architecture != chip. Neither OS9 nor OSX are pc-compatible in any way, shape, size or form. Architecture by definition cannot be exclusive of OS, libraries, kernel.
Woa, lets redefine innovation. TODAY iNnovation is not making a control center for traffic the size of a small fridge that uses 1/100th the power the old system used or creating ICs from graphene or Creating an AI that can beat players in a game or Doctors in diagnosis. No no no! iNnovation TODAY is magic, the possibility to access Facebook from you iDevice and use your penis to swipe the photos of that hot marketing girl in the bathroom of your workplace, iNnovation is allowing anyone to control what you should and not photograph, iNnovation is dumbing down the consumers so they can pay and forget about the thinking and deciding. Get the memo and embrace the new IT paradigm.
Yours The Steve
Remember! There's no 'I' in IBM!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
if you had a technician from Dehomag walking into a camp every couple of weeks to make adjustments, fix broken parts, do routine maintenance, etc, it is kind of hard to argue that 'data was just data'.
if you had to have Dehomag technicians design the hole punch cards, with holes for Jew, and then how much Jew (1/8, 1/4, etc) and so forth and so on
Dehomag was intimately involved with the SS, from the Eugenics program to the holocaust. Im not talking about the Army.
Dehomag was successfull after the war, and many of the same people just worked for IBM, they re-integrated the performance metrics so that employees who had done well during the war kept their special bonus point style things.
IBM could have at least taken a page from Volkswagen and several other manufacturing companies and participated in the reconciliation process in the 1990s.
*flind
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
I have abandoned business deals when the ethics of the deal were questionable.
Sorry to break this to you, but lack of morals is not an imperative to make business.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
IBM can remain in the US with only US workers as long as it only sells stuff to US clients and nobody else.
What do you say?
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
It is gaming the broken patent registration system.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I can vouch for the poor working conditions.
Here's a blog outlining how IBM fires one of their own after he sends an uncomfortable email, putting everyone in cc, about them having to drink filtered tap water in a lab in Krakow, Poland. I know the guy and the people that fired him.
I don't recommend anybody to work for IBM, for sure in Krakow. From other friends it doesn't sound much better in other countries.
Excerpt taken from the blog: http://lirene.blox.pl/html Sorry for the crappy english... blame google. :)
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Exemption
Dismissal is one of the most difficult moments, both for which duty-free and for the same employer. Any reputable company should therefore try to make this solution was collaboration with dignity on the other. And it's not just about leaving behind a good impression. Way out of a staff member may in fact go far beyond the boundaries of the company, and do so in bad style, automatically instil fear and insecurity among others in the company, instilling in them a quiet resentment and rebellion.
Here is what form of parting with his staff chose a widely respected and global IT corporation:
A day like every day in the lab software: telephones, meetings, emails, conversations. Nothing, however, announces what is to happen at the end of the day. I receive from my supervisor invited to a meeting at the 17th hour A little bit me it does not fit, work on the now finally finished and planned to leave on time. A few days before I transformed corporate classics, or work for a night on the presentation for my master, and then the next day to 23, so I felt quite tired. But hey, if it is a call, you must be present. Get out so the elevator a few floors below and go to the room where we meet. Along the way, I meet the head of the IT department. I call him "hello", it also suits me the same, but it was his "honor" is other than usual, such a heavily muted.
Prior to the entry appears in my supervisor and head of human resources. What do they want? We go in and exchange the usual pleasantries. Unfortunately, the moment after everything he says. Without further ado I learn that I was fired. I like the verdict is read rationale, which I listen with disbelief and amazement. Events are presented in support of me in the most familiar, but initially I can not comprehend that a man can come out of work, but that he acted in good faith and in accordance with the rules of the company.
I will be given two alternatives: either to terminate the contract by mutual agreement with the additional checks in the amount of 3-month's salary, or termination by the employer without any clearance. I quickly make a decision, or the first offer will be out of date. I am very annoyed with this, I guess the first option that hides a catch and I do not like this approach to the problem. "Then you do not sign anything" - I say heading for the exit. "Do not go out thence until one of them do not sign, we will sit here until the effect of" I hear, then suddenly the head of personnel prevents a clever maneuver my escape to the outside.
I have the discretion to admit that she did it in a very professional manner, quickly putting a chair by the door and sitting down on it. But it did not raise with her. If only I stood blocking the way, it could theoretically switch it and try to escape. This number, however, with the chair was completely unnecessary, yet not I would use force against women. In addition, the back of me has grown guy. Anyway, when my health to anyone wrestling might not going great finish. And by the way is interesting where I learned this trick, you're not on some training of human resources management?
So I sit at the wobbly table and I start to wonder what's next. I see through the glass door security guard wandering back and forth. At first I did not pay attention to him. I remember rumors of Romek, who was released from day to day and not even allowed to bring your own cup. Maybe I'll have more luck. After a while I hear that before deciding w
The 100x100 video is a must see for anyone that wants a beautifully presented overview of what IBM has given the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39jtNUGgmd4