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ICANN To Allow .brandname Top-Level Domains

AndyAndyAndyAndy sends in this excerpt from a Reuters report: "Brand owners will soon be able to operate their own parts of the Web — such as .apple, .coke or .marlboro — if the biggest shake-up yet in how Internet domains are awarded is approved. After years of preparation and wrangling, ICANN, the body that coordinates Internet names, is expected to approve the move at a special board meeting in Singapore on Monday. ... The move is seen as a big opportunity for brands to gain more control over their online presence and send visitors more directly to parts of their sites — and a danger for those who fail to take advantage."

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  1. Funny That by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "As a big brand, you ignore it at your peril," says Theo Hnarakis, chief executive of Australian domain name-registration firm Melbourne IT DBS, which advises companies and other organizations worldwide about how to do business online.

    And it only costs $185,000 USD.

    Funny, that.

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    1. Re:Funny That by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's a HUGE glaring hole with this notion. As someone who's filed for a trademark before, trademarks are only limited within a particular field of business. So, for example, you could have a car company named Shiny, a spatula manufacturer named Shiny, a metal alloy named Shiny, whatever.

      But there's only one TLD.

      So, not only is this messing over individuals, but it's *really* messing over smaller businesses or businesses who came later to the game -- even if they hold a legitimate trademark on that name. I own a small software company that happens to have the same name as a larger, established trucking company. This could happen to me.

      (Oh, and if your answer to anyone is, "Just pick another name"... do you have any clue how thoroughly picked through the trademark filings are? The Futurama "popplers" joke about there only being two product names in existence left untrademarked isn't that far off. Oh, and if you use a foreign word, you have to not overlap on both the foreign word *and* its translation)

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    2. Re:Funny That by sortius_nod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's the other way around. Assholes not setting the actual domain to the www server.

      Australian government departments are classic for this. http://www.govtdept.gov.au/ will work, drop the www and you get time outs.

    3. Re:Funny That by The13thSin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It goes beyond that... it's also about recognition.

      When I see "blablabla.com" I'm pretty sure that's a website. When toplevel domains are fully customizable and some companies will presumably start using http://microsoft/ or http://apple/ ... recognition will be gone, which is very annoying and slightly confusing. Most annoying for me personally (and many others I gather) will be I can no longer use the top bar for both searching and entering a webaddress. If I enter one word right now, it searches for it and if I enter a word+".com" (or similar) it goes to the web page. How will it be able to know once we go "keyword"-ing our TLDs? (Without either having a current list of ALL TLD's (which can become a huge list) or looking it up online (which introduces lag, especially on mobiles)?

      But it was bound to happen I guess... ICANN wasn't going to ignore this huge amount of money that they can make from this just because it might make sense.

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  2. This changes or improves NOTHING by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In fact, I think it just makes it worse.

    Not only will there continue to be trademark and other fights over .com, .net and all the rest, there will now be a new level of fighting over a huge rush of TLDs.

    Next up, rapid filing for trademarks in small island nations and squatting on TLDs. If I thought of it that easily, so did a thousand scum-bags out there.

    1. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by v1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see the exact same thing - it was bad enough when a company went after (anythingclosetomytrademark).(anyTLD), now that second part goes from one-in-100 to a wildcard.

      Buy .georgejetson and then try to use pepsi.georgejetson and watch the fireworks. this is just going to create a mess. Look at how crazy they go now if you try to register pepsii.com or a TLD they didn't think to register like pepsi.co

      Now companies have to be thinking about unlimited TLDs, not just a handful.

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    2. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by John.P.Jones · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now companies have to be thinking about unlimited TLDs, not just a handful.

      Due to the hierarchical nature of DNS, there is no difference between adding one more TLD and allowing any domain as a TLD (. vs .com).

      I propose registering '.sucks' and then mirroring all of DNS inside it so resolving icann.org.sucks resolves to icann's website. Extra props for doing so recursively so that so does icann.org.sucks.sucks.sucks.

    3. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess the point you're making is that it doesn't matter - we should ignore the TLDs anyway. Fine and good, but what bothers me is that ICAAN has just managed to pad it's coffers by a significant amount without really helping the Internet work better. It's really just a form of rent seeking.

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  3. Dear ICANN by stox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    F U!

    Sincerely,

    The Internet

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  4. Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by onkelonkel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My impression is that most folks don't type addresses, they get to sites through google. If I want to go to say Ford's website I open google, type ford, and click on the first link. I usually never type urls unless I have no other way to get there. I don't really need to care if their site is ford.com or cars.ford or whatevever.

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    1. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Funny

      What's bad is that I have seen people who, when I say, "Go to Google," actually go to Google, type in "google" in the search bar, and click the first link to get to it.

    2. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by hedwards · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's stupid, they should be using the "I'm feeling lucky" button.

  5. That's a WONDERFUL idea by idontgno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now Apple Computers, Apple Corp, and assorted apple grower associations can all go to legal war with each over who has the most right to the one, the only, the singular ".apple" vanity TLD.

    Protip: Trademarks don't all share the same namespace, and only have to be unique within a general field of commercial endeavor.

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    1. Re:That's a WONDERFUL idea by eln · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just like they all live happily as subdomains of apple.com now, right?

    2. Re:That's a WONDERFUL idea by rabtech · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since when has ICANN given a single thought to what is good for the internet, what makes sense, or what the users of the internet want? This is all about money... they intend to charge huge $$$ for your own TLD. I'm sure they will award themselves big fat bonuses for being so innovative.

      The problem is I can't think of anything better to replace ICANN; Giving the UN control over the internet is certain to be worse. Letting idiots with no idea how the internet works vote on its architecture is equally as awful. As soon as national governments get involved, you have their ridiculous petty disputes and nationalism injecting themselves into every issue (go read up on why MS had to disable the timezone map in Windows... India threatened to kick them out of the country because one or two pixels weren't properly highlighted due to conflicting claims over a certain region.)

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  6. Monetization of what should be neutral by improfane · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The internet is damaged by commercial interests. I don't think I'm speaking from nostalgia about 'the good old days' but large commercial interests have only weakened the utility of the internet.

    The top level domains should be neutral. The internet is no longer neutral if every company can buy out the namespace.

    I envy biological scientists and ecologists with their highly organized binomial classification systems. They're neutral. They organize information how it should be organized.

    I reckon we have difficulty classifying and namespacing the internet is because we don't really know what it is. I guarantee that the information architecture will have at least one massive restructuring in our lifetimes. One day it will be called something different, like 'the link' or the 'exchange'. You know the 'omniscient' like information system that you see alien races mention in Star Trek.

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    1. Re:Monetization of what should be neutral by hondo77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The top level domains should be neutral.

      Why?

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  7. corporate dystopia is here by hellfire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hmmmmm, until recently, only countries and groups got TLDs. Now, corporations have been elevated to the level of countries.

    Yet another sign that the dystopia is upon us.

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  8. Re:A bad idea. by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The waters have been muddy for a long time now. For a lot of major sites, the .net .org and .com will redirect to the same place.

    We've reached the stage where .com just means "on the internet". It's redundant. This is just a roundabout way of eliminating the need for ".com"

  9. ICANN did not weigh the costs vs. benefits by GeorgeK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ICANN has really dropped the ball on new TLDs. Folks like Tim Berners-Lee were explicitly against new top level domains. The W3 even wrote a position paper New Top Level Domains Considered Harmful. They used the examples of .xxx and .mobi, but the reasoning applied to all new TLDs.

    ICANN hand-picked economists to examine the costs and benefits, and their own experts could not come up with anything close to definitive as to whether the benefits exceeded the costs. ICANN is supposed to act in the public interest, and only approve policies where the net benefit (i.e. benefits MINUS costs) are positive. ICANN doesn't even know the *sign* (i.e. positive or negative) of this policy change's impact, let alone know the magnitude. Their pathetic reports didn't even attempt to put a monetary figure on the costs vs. the benefits, i.e. are we talking about millions of dollars of benefits, billions, etc? However, many individuals and companies commented in each of the relevant comment periods pointing out how there would be grave consequences, as there would be huge costs associated with such a change. As is typical, ICANN ignored these concerns, attempting to win a war of attrition, to "tire out" opponents.

    Fortunately, the US Department of Commerce / NTIA may not renew its contract with ICANN. There is a pending Notice of Inquiry regarding the renewal. I would encourage people to send comments, to voice their concerns about the bad policymaking from ICANN.

    ICANN is also about to renew the .NET agreement with VeriSign despite numerous comments in opposition. VeriSign will be allowed to continue to raise prices by 10% per year, despite falling technology costs, and without facing a competitive tender process (which would certainly result in much lower prices for consumers). The US Department of Justice should investigate both ICANN and VeriSign for anti-trust violations, as consumers are being harmed by these no-bid contracts. Toll-free numbers costs less than $1.50 per year at the wholesale level, yet .com/net/org fees are above $7/yr, due to lack of regular competitive tender processes.

    Why has ICANN been consistently making decisions against the public interest? The reason is obvious -- it has been captured by the registries and registrars, who only care about selling more and more domain names, even if they are not needed (i.e. "defensive registrations"). They don't care about confusing users or making it harder to navigate the internet.

  10. Re:A bad idea. by rockout · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thanks Grampa. I'll inform the Google Chrome team of your wacky 90's idea. Should go over big.

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  11. This could be FUN! by thedarb · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear ICANN,

    I'd like to register my company domains, we are Local Domain, Inc. Our leading product is our LocalHost operating system. Please register to us:

    localdomain
    localhost.localdomain

    Thank you,
    Root User of Local Domain

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  12. Re:Why? by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone else here old enough to remember the Great Renaming on Usenet? It was just before my time there, actually, but this sounds like the exact same thing... in reverse. They took a whole bunch of newsgroups which were turning into an unwieldy flat file (under the net.* prefix), and sorted them into a hierarchy with a small batch of broad top-level nodes: (comp.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*) which could be further subdivided, etc. In the process net.comics became rec.arts.comics, and so on. What it built was a lot like the internet domain name hierarchy (but opposite-endian). It added structure and organization, which are Very Useful Things to have when dealing with Something Very Large. (Such as the Internet.) All this move by ICANN would do is to chop the last four characters off every .com in the database, and move that whole damn thing to the root level. If I can think of a business name that hasn't already been squatted, I can still register ____.COM for a few bucks, but I have to write up a proposal and take it to ICANN if I want to also claim .____? Bad policy, bad engineering, bad idea.

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  13. Re:Why? by QRDeNameland · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about www.com.apple?

    Even better, the The American Society for Microbiology could change their URL to www.org.asm. I imagine that'd get them a few extra page hits.

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  14. Re:TLDs are almost worthless by j_sp_r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Around here, almost every major site uses .nl (our country TLD). Why American companies that only trade in America use .com I don't understand.

  15. Re:Why? by rs79 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah, I was there. This is where brian reid got pissed off at gene spafford so brian and jon gilmore created alt.*

    Speaking of alt, this also applied to dns...

    Ironically it was Eugene Kashpureff that came up with the .brandnam idea in 1997 and was universally reviled by the very poeple who are doing it now. Turns out it wasn't that it was a bad idea, it was just they they wern't making any money off it. Now they can.

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